Burnie and the others mixed up sensory organs with senses. That's the fundamental flaw. We have 5 main sensory organs and they produce senses based on shared inputs.
Its 7 years later and I just took a psycology test that taught me about proprioception. Which is basically awareness in space and the ability to do something like touch your nose without your eyes being open. Incredible
The thing is, there are more than 5 senses but they are subsets of the major five. For example, sense of balance, fullness, temperature, pain and itch are in essence just touch but are still technically "senses".
actually the sense of smell is good for a couple of reasons. how we enjoy various things can be partially due to the mixing of different senses, for example touch, taste, and smell. also smell is necessary in situations such as this, when you are in a room with a gas leak, so you can smell the escaping gases
Aren't most senses based off of feel, like feeling warmth or cold in both your mouth, eyes, ears, skin, and nose. But I do agree that there definitely more than just the basic 5.
There are people that get brain injuries that cause them to lose the sense of temperature or balance or spatial awareness. Just like loosing feeling or sight.
Medically saying there are 5 senses only can be dangerous. CIP - a condition where someone can't feel any pain, can still feel touch. Imbalance - people who struggle to stand correctly can still feel and touch things. We can train a sense of balance by standing on one leg having eyes closed. He uses circular logic to justify his point, by his logic there is only one sense: touch. Photons "touch" the receptors in your eyes, hearing is your bones touching a membrane, smelling is chemicals touching your olfactory receptors, etc.
every time burnie is wrong about something he basically just says, "yeah but I don't see it that way". I'm not saying he doesn't have the right but it's every fucking time
It's the same when you tell any creationist how the Earth was formed out of space rocks crashign together. "Yeah but thats not how i see it, how i see it is God put those rocks together in a frying pan and made omellette du Earth"
i agree with burnie that a sense is an arbitrary idea instead of an innate fact, but then if that’s true he can’t argue that gravity isn’t a sense. a sense is whatever we decide it is. if scientists agree to classify 30 senses or whatever then there are 30 or whatever senses, because it’s whatever we decide
I know it's not, but... you can't just cut it like that :( The whole silly discussion was started by Gavin as well :P We have Gavin appear out of nowhere like this :( (takes a torch an a pitchfork) MAKE HIM FALL! MAKE HIM FALL! MAKE HIM FALL!
Kisara3 Dude, that's just the empathy we all feel for Gav since he's really bad at explaining things EVEN WHEN HE'S RIGHT! (Also that Bernie's hit that age where either he's right or he's right.)
What are the odds you upload this as I watched a documentary about a family that has 5 people in a family who walk on all fours and they have one guy in his 30's I believe who had really really bad balance he could barely walk without looking hammered.
Lol at Burnie: "Qualified people can do adequate research and study and come to a logical valid conclusion but I'm going to disagree anyways because that's my opinion."
Find it funny they're talking about subsections of a sense of something that just a translation of the receptors translating it. God help us if Gavin publishes anything.
Soviet Phoenix Yes, completely disregard fact because of your incorrect belief that Wikipedia is unreliable. I cited Wikipedia because it efficiently collects accurate information in an easy-to-find and easy-to-read format.
I read the first "sense" which is fullness to know this is wrong. The reason you feel full is because you eat enough to make your stomach starts to stretch. That's where bloating comes from.
+insertusernamehere That doesn't explain how you feel hungry though. Being hungry is not just a matter of having an empty stomach, there are internal mechanisms that recognize when you need to eat and trigger a unique sensation that cannot be explained by any of the other senses.
I think both are equally right and wrong. Gavin is right that there may be more than five senses, like a sense of balance suggested by Miles. But, saying a sense of temperature is a seperate sense from touch is completely stupid, since being able to FEEL hot or cold would be a subset of TOUCH, not the other way around. And, while Gav did have a point, I'm on Burnie's side, since saying there's over thirty senses doesn't seem right, especially when you start doubling up. Now, there may be more than five senses, Balance would be in there. But thirty, no.
Tautest Beef Well if temperature isn't a sense because you touch it, then neither is hearing, since sound is just vibrations. Sight is just physical light waves. Scent is gases. Taste is all physical too!
This was pretty painful to watch. Gavin is actually making a lot of sense and Burnie just laughs at everything to try to make them sound dumb. Granted Gavin isn't well known for presenting an argument very clearly all the time... but still haha.
Balance is a sense. People have the ability to sense danger. And Gavin is right. Temperature is a sense by itself. I say this only to bring the truth. Not to support Gavin.
also the sense of temperature is a thing. thnk of it this way, it is a very hot day, but there is a cool breeze, do you not still feel the sun beating down on you?
Burnie describing a sense of touch to Gavin, God nothing is more cringeworthy, someone should've told him that touch is the result of mechanoreceptors on the outside of your skin responding to physical objects, something with volume and interactable structural mass.
These guys don't realise how wrong they r and how right Gavin is, everything is made up by the brain, everything is perceived and judged by the brain. Burnie just needs to go watch Vsauce
Right? Burnie is literally carrying a strong end of a debate or bit in a podcast where the simple googling of an answer could just end the exchange without anything funny or interesting happening. This dude is literally sitting at his computer, with the world's information at his fingertips, looking at Burnie going "My innate feelings tell me he's right. That must be the case... it has to be... fuck google, fuck facts. The Earth is flat."
all I'm gonna say is that ancient Greeks divided things in the natural world, and assigned them to God's, that was proven wrong. just because you made something up, doesn't mean it's right. I think that we should divide things up based on how they happen in the natural world. like senses should be divided by how the brain deals with the information you get from the outside world.
In the grand scheme of things, we can just call it all consciousness. The "abstract" way senses are described now isn't based in science completely, because if it was it would at least say that taste and smell are the same. But instead we have this useless list of things that were determined true by people in the past who were not as educated as we are today, but people still have faith in it somehow. Kinda like religion, yeah I went there
Gavin is awesome, but about our senses he is wrong. There are 5 senses! The rest like a sense of temperature, sense of pain is a sub-sense of touch. Sense of balance is part of our sense of hearing. Sense of taste helps us distinguish the difference in food. I like how Gavin is philosophical about things, but this time he is wrong! And I am tired of these non-scientific people who just randomly agrees with him, and look at any old site. OR trys to "experience" these senses and say he is right when he is not. Also at 15:30 Gavin even says it himself! He just says any old shit and you idiots go on saying he is right with no PROFF!! He just have you people to bother the shit out of Burnie about it.
Pain isn't a sub-sense of touch, there are specific nerves that sense pain and only pain, just like there are nerves that sense touch and only touch. People can be born without a sense of pain, but they can still feel objects. So for example if I had no sense of pain, I could touch a hot frying pan, register that it's a frying pan, but not register the fact that I'm burning my fingers.
Of course, knowledge of the human body. I only put that because there is always that one idiot who will keep discussing about it. Didn't think there would be a person who would actually know about nerves.
There are 5 senses. No argument. Tenperature-you feel it, gravity-you feel it, spacial awareness- no clue what that even means, Gavin is confusing sense with SENSATION. As are the people who agree.
x THE FAK3 OG You're absolutely wrong, not because there are more than five senses, but because there is an argument. There isn't a scientific consensus on the definition of a sense or the number of senses we have. People can't just go around asserting that their opinion is correct. Actual neurologists know that, which is why they publish papers on how many senses they have determined there are, so that their peers can check their work and come to a consensus.
+x THE FAK3 OG It's very easy to study how these different things are experienced and find that they are experienced in completely different ways. IE, temperature and balance are not the same as touch. They trigger different neurons and are processed differently in the brain. Balance, in particular, is measured by fluids in your ear. Remove those fluids (or damage the appropriate neurons) and you lose your sense of balance, even though you can still feel the weight of your limbs.
By spacial awareness he means that if you close your eyes you still know where objects will be, for instance if you close your eyes and stick your arm out you will know where your hand is.
You ignorant jackass. Your opinions aren't fucking facts. Just because you say there is no debate doesn't make it so. What the fuck are you, an exalted species above our own leading scientists and researchers in their respective fields who can't actually classify this debate as they don't truly know? Get out of here you schmuck.
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I love how the Risemonger just standing there like "Wtf is going on".
This topic was so difficult to sit through.
Temperature = Thermoception,
Spatial Awarness = Proprioception,
Pain = Noiception.
Gavin, as usual, is right.
all based on touch, loser
Burnie and the others mixed up sensory organs with senses. That's the fundamental flaw. We have 5 main sensory organs and they produce senses based on shared inputs.
But if you flipped a coin 3 times...
Its 7 years later and I just took a psycology test that taught me about proprioception. Which is basically awareness in space and the ability to do something like touch your nose without your eyes being open.
Incredible
Touch is about the repulsion effect of atoms being in close proximity to one another. Temperature is related to the energy transfer between atoms
Dude your videos are amazing, cheers!
Carl and Gavin in the same room would be spectacular.
Who's carl
@@masteryeet8617 most likely Karl Pilkington from the Ricky Gervais Show
If a scientific study that proves something isn't enough evidence for Burnie, what is?
Another Burnie clone coming from the future to tell him
The thing is, there are more than 5 senses but they are subsets of the major five. For example, sense of balance, fullness, temperature, pain and itch are in essence just touch but are still technically "senses".
you could also make the argument that taste is a subset of touch.
shoutout to the kinesthetic, vestibular, and thermoceptic senses
Holy fuck, I can't believe it's been 6 years since I enjoyed the Rooster Teeth podcast.
This is the podcast I miss
Its funny looking back and seeing Gavin being right, but he can't describe it for shit.
actually the sense of smell is good for a couple of reasons. how we enjoy various things can be partially due to the mixing of different senses, for example touch, taste, and smell. also smell is necessary in situations such as this, when you are in a room with a gas leak, so you can smell the escaping gases
You know i dont even care who is right or wrong. This is just great entertainment.
Awwwww, look at John Risenger back before he thought he was cool.
Aren't most senses based off of feel, like feeling warmth or cold in both your mouth, eyes, ears, skin, and nose. But I do agree that there definitely more than just the basic 5.
There are people that get brain injuries that cause them to lose the sense of temperature or balance or spatial awareness. Just like loosing feeling or sight.
I mean you can think whatever you want, but scientifically, Gavin's right
“There’s electricity in your hand that is doing your brain up.” -Gavin, 2014
“You’re constantly feeling what way up you are.” -Gavin, 2014
Why does everyone automatically assume gavin is wrong
did anybody see the thing that flew up to the ceiling next to gus at 16:38?
no
At 14:01, it looks like Gavin is rubbing Barbara's leg.
its his leg
Jon the rise mongers face lol
the problem was that gavin was saying what the senses actually sense, like the sense of temperature is actually just the air touching the skin
Medically saying there are 5 senses only can be dangerous.
CIP - a condition where someone can't feel any pain, can still feel touch.
Imbalance - people who struggle to stand correctly can still feel and touch things. We can train a sense of balance by standing on one leg having eyes closed.
He uses circular logic to justify his point, by his logic there is only one sense: touch. Photons "touch" the receptors in your eyes, hearing is your bones touching a membrane, smelling is chemicals touching your olfactory receptors, etc.
every time burnie is wrong about something he basically just says, "yeah but I don't see it that way". I'm not saying he doesn't have the right but it's every fucking time
It's the same when you tell any creationist how the Earth was formed out of space rocks crashign together. "Yeah but thats not how i see it, how i see it is God put those rocks together in a frying pan and made omellette du Earth"
***** im glad i didn't immediately get shat on by fans, and yeah your right :)
I don't know why, but it pisses me off how stubborn he can be sometimes
Is he wrong though?
Cameron Stewart yes... its happened a few times. He knows he's wrong but just says "I don't see it that way".
i agree with burnie that a sense is an arbitrary idea instead of an innate fact, but then if that’s true he can’t argue that gravity isn’t a sense. a sense is whatever we decide it is. if scientists agree to classify 30 senses or whatever then there are 30 or whatever senses, because it’s whatever we decide
I love that Bernie brings it up after the initial podcast TWICE and then tells Gavin its a stupid argument *like it was his fault it came back*
Skip the podcast 268 where Burnie starts to doubt himself
Wot?
W... wh.. why did you cut Gavin falling over?
Because this video isn't about Gavin falling over. I left the clip in the Highlights for that podcast.
I know it's not, but... you can't just cut it like that :( The whole silly discussion was started by Gavin as well :P
We have Gavin appear out of nowhere like this :(
(takes a torch an a pitchfork)
MAKE HIM FALL! MAKE HIM FALL! MAKE HIM FALL!
i'm with Bernie on this, senses are one thing, sensations are another, using gavins logic anything is a sense
Yes.
You're siding with the idiot
... some have a sense of time
All i can say is poor gavin.
Kisara3 Dude, that's just the empathy we all feel for Gav since he's really bad at explaining things EVEN WHEN HE'S RIGHT! (Also that Bernie's hit that age where either he's right or he's right.)
I almost forgot...burnie was trying to become a doctor at some point in his life and didnt know this...
i am literally yelling at burnie alone in my room at night bc he is just so wrong about this i can't even askekflglgmgng
What are the odds you upload this as I watched a documentary about a family that has 5 people in a family who walk on all fours and they have one guy in his 30's I believe who had really really bad balance he could barely walk without looking hammered.
Lol at Burnie: "Qualified people can do adequate research and study and come to a logical valid conclusion but I'm going to disagree anyways because that's my opinion."
well i mean he is a liberal...
DooWah Thunderclap Bro, being liberal does not make you THAT negligent to logic lol
RikuSenpai you're right being liberal doesn't mean that. but liberals tend to rely on feeling more than fact and reason lol.
@@doowahthunderclap4315 That's like the opposite of a liberal.
@@Mrtheunnameable not really
Senses are a human construct
i 100% agree with gavin, but he was explaining it so poorly, and Burnie was too rooted in his denial of those facts to see it any othee way
Burnie just needs to accept that he's wrong on this one.
He did
They are both wrong and right. There are more than five senses but some of the senses that gavin claimed there were are not senses.
How many of you can even name the person who proposed the five-sense model?
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Good thing that Jon won’t be able to be woken up by the smell of 🔥.... oh wait
#76senses
Find it funny they're talking about subsections of a sense of something that just a translation of the receptors translating it. God help us if Gavin publishes anything.
That's why it's a sensation, not a sense
This is a debate between sensation and perception.
Am I the only one who agrees with Gavin? There are more than five senses.
Yup. There are way more.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sense
Like what?
ChainedHunter I like how you cited Wikipedia... Ha ha ha
Soviet Phoenix Yes, completely disregard fact because of your incorrect belief that Wikipedia is unreliable.
I cited Wikipedia because it efficiently collects accurate information in an easy-to-find and easy-to-read format.
their are about 12 for example kinesthetics, proprioception, and danger.
hes right listverse.com/2013/04/30/10-lesser-known-but-important-human-senses/
I read the first "sense" which is fullness to know this is wrong. The reason you feel full is because you eat enough to make your stomach starts to stretch. That's where bloating comes from.
+insertusernamehere That doesn't explain how you feel hungry though. Being hungry is not just a matter of having an empty stomach, there are internal mechanisms that recognize when you need to eat and trigger a unique sensation that cannot be explained by any of the other senses.
I think both are equally right and wrong. Gavin is right that there may be more than five senses, like a sense of balance suggested by Miles. But, saying a sense of temperature is a seperate sense from touch is completely stupid, since being able to FEEL hot or cold would be a subset of TOUCH, not the other way around. And, while Gav did have a point, I'm on Burnie's side, since saying there's over thirty senses doesn't seem right, especially when you start doubling up. Now, there may be more than five senses, Balance would be in there. But thirty, no.
Tautest Beef Well if temperature isn't a sense because you touch it, then neither is hearing, since sound is just vibrations. Sight is just physical light waves. Scent is gases. Taste is all physical too!
Jesus Christ, Burnie.
This was pretty painful to watch. Gavin is actually making a lot of sense and Burnie just laughs at everything to try to make them sound dumb. Granted Gavin isn't well known for presenting an argument very clearly all the time... but still haha.
Everyone always laughs at Gavin but Gavin is always right
You guys are cute but I am so pretty! XO Juie
its called synesthesia, look it up
No that's not what he means
+Tom Noble dude it's been 2 years. fuck if I remember.
It's so frustrating how gavin is 100% right about this but he can't make a good argument to save his life
And yes if you get brain damage you can stop feeling temperature, hunger, etc. Burnie and Gus are so ignorant.
Are we really gonna take this from a man so delusional that he thought he could beat a tiger in one on one fight?
Balance is a sense. People have the ability to sense danger. And Gavin is right. Temperature is a sense by itself. I say this only to bring the truth. Not to support Gavin.
also the sense of temperature is a thing. thnk of it this way, it is a very hot day, but there is a cool breeze, do you not still feel the sun beating down on you?
Burnie and Gus, but most Burnie are so incorrect on their knowledge of senses that's actually cringeworthy.
Burnie describing a sense of touch to Gavin, God nothing is more cringeworthy, someone should've told him that touch is the result of mechanoreceptors on the outside of your skin responding to physical objects, something with volume and interactable structural mass.
touch is the only true sense change my mind
Also people can have senses that are interconnected. It’s called senisctesia. I actually have it. I can taste color.
These guys don't realise how wrong they r and how right Gavin is, everything is made up by the brain, everything is perceived and judged by the brain. Burnie just needs to go watch Vsauce
I feel like I'm the only one who fully agrees with Burnie
Burnie's wrong though, one quick google will tell you that there are more than 5 senses
Right? Burnie is literally carrying a strong end of a debate or bit in a podcast where the simple googling of an answer could just end the exchange without anything funny or interesting happening. This dude is literally sitting at his computer, with the world's information at his fingertips, looking at Burnie going "My innate feelings tell me he's right. That must be the case... it has to be... fuck google, fuck facts. The Earth is flat."
Burnie is wrong. As usual.
all I'm gonna say is that ancient Greeks divided things in the natural world, and assigned them to God's, that was proven wrong. just because you made something up, doesn't mean it's right. I think that we should divide things up based on how they happen in the natural world. like senses should be divided by how the brain deals with the information you get from the outside world.
In the grand scheme of things, we can just call it all consciousness. The "abstract" way senses are described now isn't based in science completely, because if it was it would at least say that taste and smell are the same. But instead we have this useless list of things that were determined true by people in the past who were not as educated as we are today, but people still have faith in it somehow. Kinda like religion, yeah I went there
Burnie is right
Gavin is awesome, but about our senses he is wrong. There are 5 senses! The rest like a sense of temperature, sense of pain is a sub-sense of touch. Sense of balance is part of our sense of hearing. Sense of taste helps us distinguish the difference in food.
I like how Gavin is philosophical about things, but this time he is wrong! And I am tired of these non-scientific people who just randomly agrees with him, and look at any old site. OR trys to "experience" these senses and say he is right when he is not.
Also at 15:30 Gavin even says it himself! He just says any old shit and you idiots go on saying he is right with no PROFF!! He just have you people to bother the shit out of Burnie about it.
Pain isn't a sub-sense of touch, there are specific nerves that sense pain and only pain, just like there are nerves that sense touch and only touch. People can be born without a sense of pain, but they can still feel objects. So for example if I had no sense of pain, I could touch a hot frying pan, register that it's a frying pan, but not register the fact that I'm burning my fingers.
Of course, knowledge of the human body. I only put that because there is always that one idiot who will keep discussing about it. Didn't think there would be a person who would actually know about nerves.
There are 5 senses. No argument. Tenperature-you feel it, gravity-you feel it, spacial awareness- no clue what that even means, Gavin is confusing sense with SENSATION. As are the people who agree.
x THE FAK3 OG You're absolutely wrong, not because there are more than five senses, but because there is an argument. There isn't a scientific consensus on the definition of a sense or the number of senses we have. People can't just go around asserting that their opinion is correct. Actual neurologists know that, which is why they publish papers on how many senses they have determined there are, so that their peers can check their work and come to a consensus.
+x THE FAK3 OG It's very easy to study how these different things are experienced and find that they are experienced in completely different ways. IE, temperature and balance are not the same as touch. They trigger different neurons and are processed differently in the brain. Balance, in particular, is measured by fluids in your ear. Remove those fluids (or damage the appropriate neurons) and you lose your sense of balance, even though you can still feel the weight of your limbs.
By spacial awareness he means that if you close your eyes you still know where objects will be, for instance if you close your eyes and stick your arm out you will know where your hand is.
What about hunger and pain?
You ignorant jackass. Your opinions aren't fucking facts. Just because you say there is no debate doesn't make it so. What the fuck are you, an exalted species above our own leading scientists and researchers in their respective fields who can't actually classify this debate as they don't truly know? Get out of here you schmuck.