Audi Avant etron (A6 variant) is meant to be coming later this year…. And supposedlt has a range of close to 600miles. Think we can expect it to be about 100k though if not more. VW is meant to be doing a similar size to the passat long roof as well.
I've noticed the SUV boxes are slowly being squished. I just wish someone would bite the bullet. The Audi will be massively expensive and they'll sell none.
With all the design blah about illuminating logos and other brushed alu nonsense they still have the charging port cover thingy dangling and rubbin against the bodywork. Unbelievable
. One of hour cars at home, a honda civic 2013 in super good condition, have a racing fuel cover as standard. Not many has this, not fossil cars either. Annoing when they can’t design good basic functionality!
Great video Jonny All I hear from the designers is tech, tech, tech. They cram the cars with electronics that are fine until they go wrong, when they are ten or so years old.... The reliance on touch screens and cameras seems to be an unstoppable juggernaut
@@moonshapedabsolutionCompletely agree. Why I don’t think we should do tech for tech’s sake, I do love the designer’s point about technology reaching a point where it can be used in broader applications. And why not - creates new opportunities for innovation. Even we just stayed with the mechanical side of things, there’s innovation happening there as well. As there should be
Yeah it's ridiculous. 99% of current mechanics have zero clue about electronics, so the vehicles will have to go to a specialist who charges £250/hr just to diagnose the fault. Then you'll have to pay another few thousand for the replacement unit.
What is strange about the car industry is that the product price keeps with rising inflation unlike white goods or home electronics. I don’t want any cameras and the touchscreen should be for route planning, not everything else. I don’t need all that to drive 5 miles to work and the odd trip out of town. Stop following Tesla!
I've never seen anyone with presbyopia (needs reading glasses) review rear view cameras. Anyone who uses varifocals for example can see in car mirrors because the object they're focusing on is not the mirror glass but with a camera and screen their focus is on the screen itself. This can easily cause many problems, especially when combining varifocals with the interior mirror because the reading segment of varifocal glasses is at the bottom of the lens which obviously means it can't help much to see a screen above your head. It at least needs a conversation... no?
Very much so - It seems as though the only human factors people now on cars are the software engineers who have had no formal training in proper HF/Ergonomics - it feels as though designers are running away pony tails flying in the breeze, putting in all the fancy stuff without actually considering the full user base, just the 18-40 year olds - many of whom no longer actually want a car! (nor can they even dream of affording one unless it's a company car!)
I'm not sure it's such a problem for the mirror. However, having to turn my head and refocus to be able to read the center display of the Volvo ex30 (no driver display) was a deal breaker for me wearing bifocals.
@@PsjogrenGoS But with your bifocals could you glance up (without excessively pivoting your head) to focus on a screen at the top of your windscreen where your rear view mirror currently sits?
No @@anonimushbosh, and I can´t do that in a normal car either but I don´t feel I need a fully sharp image in the rearview mirror at a glance. When driving, I think it is enough to see that something is behind you. However, Not being able to read speedometer or map in front of me (as I can in my Polestar 2) without turning my head and refocusing (as I would in EX30) is a bigger issue in my opinion.
max’s explanation reminds me a bit of my time at my art academy where I gobbled up intellectual design speak to validate something which was either accidental or more archaic than I was willing to admit. And I dont necessarily like the move towards the windowless bullet where you are solely dependent of technology rather than analogue and physical interactions with the car and its environment. I do appreciate the wish to differentiate, as it can lead to awesome design solutions but in interacting with traffic, the main responsibility in a car, this windowless back lid doesn’t add anything as single solution. Loved your cheeky style of subtle noncompliance ;-)
Well…wait a few years and your side windows will show you beautiful views of the Amalfi Coast Road with stunning sunshine and wonderful seas….even though you are travelling through the midde of of Bolton on the way to Asda. It will be a revelation to all and don’t worry, those cameras wil be doing the guiding and o serrations for you…and they never go wrong of course!!😬😬😳😳😳😨
@@HQBProductions To be honest I think I'd already trust the average automated system over the average human driver. I can only think that'll get more true over the next few years.
I still worry about dirty British roads and those cameras caked with muck, dint hear much about cleaning them whilst on route, if it’s a dirty wet day would you have to stop to clean them?
But as the driver behind I'm often looking through the car in front to see the traffic further forwards and watch their brake lights etc to have more time and information.
Me too, and I normally notice the changed traffic conditions before the car in front reacts to it, especially the drivers that just blindly follow the car in front, even if they're heading into a parking spot or turn right lane.
Really glad they mentioned pedestrian impact safety, although briefly. Torn about the lack of rear window, since that's an important porthole to the driver of the vehicle. Not being able to see the person inside the car from the rear makes communication, anticipation and understanding what the driver is doing a lot more difficult.
That's a very good point. If I'm cycling past a line of parked cars I always keep an eye out for the ones with someone in the driver's seat because those are the ones that are going to door you. Much harder with this design and the electronic tools won't alert the driver, because the car will be turned off at that point.
id love to have that Martin fella review this vehicle ,he was by FAR your best guest and i loved that RS1600 Escort ,Jonny that previous video was your best to date
“A new breed of vehicle”…… goes on to describe mustang mach e, iPace, ID.5, model y, Q4 Etron……. All of which appear to manage perfectly well with a rear window 🤔
Yea haha. My daily is a polestar 2 and I love it. Best car. I also have an old old car that I drive couple days a month and just have fun but I would never have it as a daily because of the cars that we have these days.
I appreciate the fresh and minimal design, but all I see is how expensive repairs would be for this thing. So many LED's inside the car, all of those cameras which will surely fail at some point - and given these electronic dependent cars I wouldn't be surprised if the car won't allow you to drive it with a broken camera for 'safety' purposes. I see more excessive luxury than I see practicality - which I find is at odds with a minimalist design.
I am a Polestar 2 Dual Motor owner I will be keen to buy this car in the next year or so as our second or potential replacement Polestar. I look forward to test-driving it. We still love our Polestar 2.
@@tonyhawk123vans have large mirrors with blind spot mirrors too. It’s also a necessary part of their function to not have a back window, and people know this and will take extra care when behind them. The problem with a camera is that is has no peripheral vision and doesn’t pan around.
I’m test driving one in a week or two and looked through the rear view WINDOW of my MINI and thought yeah a camera would show more than I can see out of the letterbox screen….besides when I’ve driven anything with a reversing camera don’t really look through the rear window, why would I when I can see clearly with that camera and a glance in my side mirrors….think how handy a camera like this would have been on the countach or maybe even McLarens etc
Removing the rear window and replacing it with a camera and a screen, especially in an electric vehicle, has to be one of the biggest "fixing a problem that doesn't exist" things since they tried to get rid of side mirrors the same way... Sorry Max, but complexity for the sake of complexity is largely why modern cars suck... I like Polestar a lot, but this is just an absolute fail.
And for a cars that size, the cargo capacity still vastly underperforms sportswagons and the less pretty Model Y. Yes, Tesla was lazy and could have put 100 kWh in that one to get similar range to Polestar 4 and Porsche Macan EV, but their clients can live with the specs, and get a big cargo space figure, whether that's real or not, practical or not, premium or not. It sells. It'd lke this trick on a proper wagon and get to stuff it without trying to get view out the inside mirror. It's a near trick, but it's more a Lambo wound patch for the bleeding than a Polestar's most valuable differentiators. Is the view better with the cam, until it get dirty? I'm sure it is.
You don't look out through back window. You look at a small rectangular mirror showing a reflection of peoples heads, head rests, and maybe a little bit of the world behind the car.
Indeed. A way to make slender posts for a panoramic cabin space seems to have been replaced by safety reasons and engineers 'just add more metal'. It is a shame that there hasnt been much thought about creating an ultra strong slender posts. My guess is that is 'just too hard' to achieve.
@@TheSilverstampI look out through rear window and side windows, to see what is behind my car as well as what is coming. Where I live, young children sometimes run without looking.
Great video. Current Polestar2 LRDM owner here, and this is square in my sights as a next car. Overall, I think I'd like it - but I do have some reservations about a camera instead of a mirror, given how bad the rear view camera on the PS2 is once there's a mist of dirty road water and tree sap misted on the lens. Also you can keep the autonomous driving, I'd be un-checking that option! Oh and the labelling of all the parts with their eco-credentials looks ridiculous too ... stop that please Polestar, makes me look really self-righteous as the owner.
Agreed on the labelling - it feels like homes with 3d wording or a wall sign in the kitchen instructing visitors what to think. Keep the environmentally conscious materials but quit the self righteousness vibe.
To be fair though, the rear camera on the P2 is for reversing only and not a "rear view" camera as such, plus, it is situated just above the registration plate, so is bound to get mucky. The HD rear view camera on the 4 is roof mounted and has an overhung cover, I would expect they have run multiple tests this position in all weather types to ensure it remains clean and clear and meets all regulations. I am also a Polestar 2 driver , Launch Edition DM PP and looking as the Polestar 4 DM as my next car, no question.
Had a polestar 2 for 6 months, great car, only downsides is the ride is really hard and the centre raised stack inside restricts leg movement and makes it feel claustrophobic. Currently in a 24 Highland and I get the hype.
There’s plenty of cars around now (and have been for some time) that are bigger and take up more space than this does. Really don’t think it’s an issue.
“… In a way that you’re above the road.” Unlike all those non new SUVs where you sit below the road…. Just love the way designers talk. About as much sense as wine tasting notes.
I worked in the same building as Polestar Germany and they regularly hat events where you could test drive them for an hour. Loved driving the Polestar 2 and I am seriously considering the 4 after seeing this. Love the back-end and the interior. I didn't know they made so few Polestar 1's, we'd always see several in the parking garage of the building.
So as soon as the camera breaks you can't see anything behind you and ten years from now you won't be able to get replacements, which means the car will be basically scrap. Heck, even if the camera gets dirty you're going to struggle. Also, how well does it handle glare from the sun? You can bang on about 360 view all you like, but we already have that, in the form of very simple, easy to replace tech called........windows. Cars really are getting silly with all the tat they try to jam into them to justify the ridiculously high prices we now see.
Heck, while they're at it, remove the windshield and replace it with a 50" display.... Absolutely silly idea to replace windows and mirrors with cameras and screens. Wasteful, needlessly complex, inconvenient and unsafe!
Fabulous to see you Back doing 'design led' Car reviews, your the best in the business at this 👍. I used to love it in the early days when you and your notebook went off to the Tokyo motor show 👏
I had one for 2 years and thoroughly enjoyed it; it always received a lot of attention as they were, and still are, rare (and have now been discontinued)! 🙂
Really like the current Volvo and Polestar design language. They all look really clean and classy, so much better than any Tesla offering. But I do wish manufacturers would stop using the SUV tag as a marketing gimmick. That is not an SUV! ( thank God!)
Great Vid Jonny! Is there a viewing depth perception issue with the car being reliant on the rear facing camera/screen? I know a number of other cars have this tech but they mostly have rear windows as well and can flip between screen and mirror, have heard comments about judging distance. Thoughts? Is there a 3D tech option available?
Looks alright, out my price range. Am i the only one would wants a really old school feeling EV? I dont mean restomod but just a very analog feeling car with an EV powertrain. I am talking basic seats, door locks, knobs on the dash, no fancy over the top sensors in the wheels that adjust the suspension none of that. Basically as if they took a car from the 2000s and made it run on an electric motor instead of combustion. Cheap, fun to drive, gets you from A-B no fancy gimmicks or screens just a tool to travel in. For me less is more, i want something cheap and easy to work on that i dont really care about getting bush rash on or something or a sensor taking the entire car out that costs a few 1000. I dont care for headlights that are £800+ each none of that rubbish. Oh and glass, whats with them putting glass on roofs and stuff now! Just stop it nobody is looking up while driving right?
EVs are rapidly becoming more soul less than one could imagine. I don't see anyone getting emotionally attached to an EV in the way we love say a Lotus Carlton, a 911 or a Quattro or a real ICE car!
Pricy The lack of a window is interesting. The designer is trying very hard to justify it but I'm not convinced. The studio lights being used is a direct result of it as an example. Is there uranus?! Such good camera work btw
I am a PS2 user for three years and very satisfied with the car especially the quality and design. Will definitely buy PS4 this year to replace my PS2. Can't wait
Why is no rear window a “huge problem?” I'd say restricted FOV and blind spots are a bigger problem with rear windows, and a camera based system gets around that.
I own a PS2, I just hope they have designed a way to clean the rear-view camera, the one on the PS2 gets filthy and is of very little use in a UK winter. I'll definitely consider this for my next car but also looking at Q6 e-tron, and of course the new Macan.
It will constitute a qualitative leap and shift in design and engineering in the automotive industry. The best shape ever, these are the cars of the future
Would like to know the design thinking that resulted in the rear camera and window being mutually exclusive? Nothing to say that both can’t exist together, with the camera there to augment the rear vision when needed…night, big load, reverse manoeuvring etc. etc.
Beautiful design ! Long wheelbase, short overhangs, and perfectly balanced proportions...seems shorter and lower than what really is. From the back it gives hints of Volvo PV444 in a "retro-futuristic" kind of way. I don't give a damn if its not the best EV of the market, the fastest or the most efficient, because as a piece of design its just formidable.
I thought Polestar are going bust. Anyhow why do we need massive big EV's which are primarily more suited for city driving so we get another road crushing SUV that very few can afford or want.
No, Polestar are not going bust, Volvo is no longer investing in Polestar, possible reducing their shares. Which means Polestar gets more independant or Geely takes it up further.
Pretty disappointed by this- BRILLIANT video again from Jonny! I'm beginning to see why people are turning away from BEV. The tech isn't advancing quickly enough, charge times, battery range etc hasn't improved much in the last 5 years. In the meantime prices are going up, charging costs are going up and manufacturers seem obsessed with selling us cars we don't want or need. Who wants an SUV/coupe?! It looks MASSIVE and yet the boot is useless, my measure for a practical boot is a Volvo 240- can you fit a washing machine sized box in the boot? Nope, then its not a family vehicle. Everything about it looks enormous and yet the place where EVs make any sense at all is in 'urban areas' and yet, thats the very same place where space on the road is at a premium. I really wish a manufacturer would think about how cars are used in the real world, what the real world looks like and make something thats fit for that purpose, rather than trying to create a futurist, blade runner esq aesthetic that is neither practical nor appealing.
Makes total sense. So many cars have reversing cameras, and I’ve always wondered why I can’t just have that viewable 24/7. I tested a Model S and had it on the screen the whole drive and found it much clearer/ simpler than using the rear view mirror. Especially if you’ve got a tall numpty sitting in the middle rear seat 😂
Great video and good to hear from the people at Polestar. Not convinced that’s an SUV, maybe just in marketing speak. I am a sucker for ambient lighting. 😊
Excellent video as usual, and a great looking car too. But removing the rear window and then trying to say "it actually has a rear window" while pointing to a camera? Give it a rest. If Tesla had done this the entire internet would be ablaze with people taking the piss.
I'd be very interested in upgrading my Polestar 2 to one of these in a few years. I was unconvinced, but watching this has been very interesting. Looking forward to when I can get a test drive in one.
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I wish EV manufacturers would make the occasional large estate cars rather than all SUV type vehicles.
Audi Avant etron (A6 variant) is meant to be coming later this year…. And supposedlt has a range of close to 600miles. Think we can expect it to be about 100k though if not more. VW is meant to be doing a similar size to the passat long roof as well.
Same here I hate SUVs and cannot find much choice in a car shape that’s a EV
Let's hope Audi does a good job with their estate, because in terms of EV tech theirs is distinctly average.
I've noticed the SUV boxes are slowly being squished. I just wish someone would bite the bullet.
The Audi will be massively expensive and they'll sell none.
Agree, I think the only estate at the moment is the MG5 EV
An illuminated badge on the grill. How amazing. Haven't seen anything like that since they stopped making Wolseley's 😁
Ah but that was a badge let light through...It wasn't a Halo that preserved the integrity of the logo.....😂😂😂
The Fisker Ocean has one too. I suppose it's an interesting design element but it's kind of pointless if the rest of the car is a let down.
Big props for keeping a straight face when told "A really sporty car with an elevated seating position"
Same with "a new breed of car"
No
The character building drls 😂😅
I wouldn't have been able to
It's hard to keep a straight face when confronted by a wall of marketing wank,
Or the anti scuff aluminium plates… because it’s an “suv” 😂
With all the design blah about illuminating logos and other brushed alu nonsense they still have the charging port cover thingy dangling and rubbin against the bodywork. Unbelievable
Yeah, the rubber bungs in the charge ports is a bit lacklustre
That's engineering not design...
yh, why are the rubber things even necessary?
. One of hour cars at home, a honda civic 2013 in super good condition, have a racing fuel cover as standard. Not many has this, not fossil cars either. Annoing when they can’t design good basic functionality!
@@hqew6662to prevent water from getting in and short circuiting the electronics
I wish I could wash it at high temperatures and have the whole thing shrink by 10%. What a massive EV, again.
The 10% smaller version you’re looking for is the Polestar 2
yet, they had to remove the rear window to gain "headroom" ...
Well, the Volvo EX30 all the way. Also considering the price point
Given the amount of fabric in it, you probably can.
I am sure small/cheaper EVs are coming
Great video Jonny
All I hear from the designers is tech, tech, tech. They cram the cars with electronics that are fine until they go wrong, when they are ten or so years old....
The reliance on touch screens and cameras seems to be an unstoppable juggernaut
and a electro motor and batteries calling high tech .... clowns they are....
Cameras and screens are both cheap and exceptionally reliable. Legacy, physical moving parts however... not so much.
Tbf mechanicals ain't bullet proof either, I like a balance between the two.
@@moonshapedabsolutionCompletely agree. Why I don’t think we should do tech for tech’s sake, I do love the designer’s point about technology reaching a point where it can be used in broader applications. And why not - creates new opportunities for innovation. Even we just stayed with the mechanical side of things, there’s innovation happening there as well. As there should be
Yeah it's ridiculous. 99% of current mechanics have zero clue about electronics, so the vehicles will have to go to a specialist who charges £250/hr just to diagnose the fault. Then you'll have to pay another few thousand for the replacement unit.
Designers bloody love a rollneck dont they.
😂😂😂
In black
hahahah so true!
Almost as much as they love corporate w@nkspeak...
He must know it's a cliche yet he still wears it. And he talked about adding character to headlights without even flinching.
Another BEV for the saturated segment above £50k.
When will we see serious BEV offerings in the £20k-£30k segment?
When they can make them with a profit margin.
All the MG EV line up is in that bracket
Exactly this
@@bdogmccool8096some of
What is strange about the car industry is that the product price keeps with rising inflation unlike white goods or home electronics. I don’t want any cameras and the touchscreen should be for route planning, not everything else. I don’t need all that to drive 5 miles to work and the odd trip out of town. Stop following Tesla!
I've never seen anyone with presbyopia (needs reading glasses) review rear view cameras.
Anyone who uses varifocals for example can see in car mirrors because the object they're focusing on is not the mirror glass but with a camera and screen their focus is on the screen itself.
This can easily cause many problems, especially when combining varifocals with the interior mirror because the reading segment of varifocal glasses is at the bottom of the lens which obviously means it can't help much to see a screen above your head.
It at least needs a conversation... no?
it really doesn't. all you need to know is if there's something behind you. what that is doesn't really matter
Very much so - It seems as though the only human factors people now on cars are the software engineers who have had no formal training in proper HF/Ergonomics - it feels as though designers are running away pony tails flying in the breeze, putting in all the fancy stuff without actually considering the full user base, just the 18-40 year olds - many of whom no longer actually want a car! (nor can they even dream of affording one unless it's a company car!)
I'm not sure it's such a problem for the mirror. However, having to turn my head and refocus to be able to read the center display of the Volvo ex30 (no driver display) was a deal breaker for me wearing bifocals.
@@PsjogrenGoS But with your bifocals could you glance up (without excessively pivoting your head) to focus on a screen at the top of your windscreen where your rear view mirror currently sits?
No @@anonimushbosh, and I can´t do that in a normal car either but I don´t feel I need a fully sharp image in the rearview mirror at a glance. When driving, I think it is enough to see that something is behind you. However, Not being able to read speedometer or map in front of me (as I can in my Polestar 2) without turning my head and refocusing (as I would in EX30) is a bigger issue in my opinion.
max’s explanation reminds me a bit of my time at my art academy where I gobbled up intellectual design speak to validate something which was either accidental or more archaic than I was willing to admit. And I dont necessarily like the move towards the windowless bullet where you are solely dependent of technology rather than analogue and physical interactions with the car and its environment. I do appreciate the wish to differentiate, as it can lead to awesome design solutions but in interacting with traffic, the main responsibility in a car, this windowless back lid doesn’t add anything as single solution.
Loved your cheeky style of subtle noncompliance ;-)
Well…wait a few years and your side windows will show you beautiful views of the Amalfi Coast Road with stunning sunshine and wonderful seas….even though you are travelling through the midde of of Bolton on the way to Asda. It will be a revelation to all and don’t worry, those cameras wil be doing the guiding and o serrations for you…and they never go wrong of course!!😬😬😳😳😳😨
@@HQBProductions To be honest I think I'd already trust the average automated system over the average human driver. I can only think that'll get more true over the next few years.
@@philipminns3933 but these autonomous systems are nowhere near being as reliable as average drivers...nevermind exceptional drivers...
I still worry about dirty British roads and those cameras caked with muck, dint hear much about cleaning them whilst on route, if it’s a dirty wet day would you have to stop to clean them?
Wondering here if Road Salt and Cams mix?
They use windscreen washer fluid to wash them most of the time.
we get even dirtier roads here in Sweden during the winter, and as they test them at the Volvo test track, I would assume/hope that that is sorted.
i was wondering the same. what if it rains... do you no longer have a "back window" LOL
@@pvic6959the back camera will work in all conditions. The car is tested in north Sweden in the worst snow and dirt conditions. The car is perfect.
8:28 "It's a big ol' flap that, innit"
You are way to happy with yourself when you deliver that line. lol
😄😄😄
True 😂
Jonny loves a "big ol flap"
I don't even understand it. It's obviously cheeky, so I'm assuming it's vaginal in nature or something, but I don't think it translates to the US.
Stop it. I'm still laughing!!
But as the driver behind I'm often looking through the car in front to see the traffic further forwards and watch their brake lights etc to have more time and information.
Me too, and I normally notice the changed traffic conditions before the car in front reacts to it, especially the drivers that just blindly follow the car in front, even if they're heading into a parking spot or turn right lane.
Love some wheelbase chat.
😉
All we need now is a crashed Polstar 4 and a rotten Rangerover for a body swap
Hhhhhwheeeeeelbase
Your voice is the epitome of calm and soothing, drawing me into every detail about cars. It's the reason I hang on to every word in your videos!
Really glad they mentioned pedestrian impact safety, although briefly. Torn about the lack of rear window, since that's an important porthole to the driver of the vehicle. Not being able to see the person inside the car from the rear makes communication, anticipation and understanding what the driver is doing a lot more difficult.
Especially since the one driving behind can’t observe the traffic in front!
That's a very good point. If I'm cycling past a line of parked cars I always keep an eye out for the ones with someone in the driver's seat because those are the ones that are going to door you. Much harder with this design and the electronic tools won't alert the driver, because the car will be turned off at that point.
Isn’t he one of the nicest guys you’ve seen from a vehicle manufacturer on video. Props to Jonny, mega high quality video as always 🤝🏻
id love to have that Martin fella review this vehicle ,he was by FAR your best guest and i loved that RS1600 Escort ,Jonny that previous video was your best to date
Having no rear window makes no sense - especially for dog owners. If they make a wagon variant I’d be interested
Another excellent review 👏🏽
''Sorry sir ..we don't put back windows in wagons either''😑
Check out the Fisker Ocean. That one comes with a rear window that opens as well as a pair of side doggie windows.
Joke's on them; My wagon is always full and I can't see out the back anyway.
I don't care if dogs travel in a suitcase.
@@thursdayblackhave nothing to do about that. It’s about makin more room for head and so on for people sittin
“A new breed of vehicle”…… goes on to describe mustang mach e, iPace, ID.5, model y, Q4 Etron……. All of which appear to manage perfectly well with a rear window 🤔
Especially as it looks like a Macan
@@timburton1080it literally got announced before the new electric Macan
This car looks superb,sadly it’s just too expensive,cheers fella 👍😉💪
Agree. Maybe by a 2 year old one?
Day to day driving these things are the future. But I still love the feeling of driving a totally manual, non - tech pre 2000’s car :)
Yea haha. My daily is a polestar 2 and I love it. Best car. I also have an old old car that I drive couple days a month and just have fun but I would never have it as a daily because of the cars that we have these days.
Very polite Johnny. First they take away all the switches, then they start on the windows!
When they come for the steering wheels, they'll be no one left to defend them!
That is just fine. Much much better than for example getting rid of half of the steering wheel or stalks :)
Im just happy they've not gone for a strip light on the front. they're still the individual lights. 😊
Exactly! At least they're preserving their identity.
I appreciate the fresh and minimal design, but all I see is how expensive repairs would be for this thing. So many LED's inside the car, all of those cameras which will surely fail at some point - and given these electronic dependent cars I wouldn't be surprised if the car won't allow you to drive it with a broken camera for 'safety' purposes. I see more excessive luxury than I see practicality - which I find is at odds with a minimalist design.
Minimalist design and minimalist functionality aren’t quite the same thing, apparently.
I am a Polestar 2 Dual Motor owner I will be keen to buy this car in the next year or so as our second or potential replacement Polestar. I look forward to test-driving it. We still love our Polestar 2.
Great vid. Good looking thing. Also enjoyed JS: "Max, thanks for giving you some of my time" 😂
So I wasn’t the only one thinking about that phrase. I find it funny too. 😁
Jeez, that's HUGE! So, that's genius (not) when the rear 'window' camera breaks/gets covered in ice/leaves/dirt etc.
Drama xD
“When”? As they said, vans and supercars already have it. World hasnt imploded yet.
@@tonyhawk123vans have large mirrors with blind spot mirrors too. It’s also a necessary part of their function to not have a back window, and people know this and will take extra care when behind them.
The problem with a camera is that is has no peripheral vision and doesn’t pan around.
It's shorter than a 5 series with a lot more rear passenger space.
The camera for looking behind you, instead of having a rear window, is the perfect example of having a solution for a non existing problem.
No
I’m test driving one in a week or two and looked through the rear view WINDOW of my MINI and thought yeah a camera would show more than I can see out of the letterbox screen….besides when I’ve driven anything with a reversing camera don’t really look through the rear window, why would I when I can see clearly with that camera and a glance in my side mirrors….think how handy a camera like this would have been on the countach or maybe even McLarens etc
Removing the rear window and replacing it with a camera and a screen, especially in an electric vehicle, has to be one of the biggest "fixing a problem that doesn't exist" things since they tried to get rid of side mirrors the same way... Sorry Max, but complexity for the sake of complexity is largely why modern cars suck... I like Polestar a lot, but this is just an absolute fail.
Hmm Which is cheaper? ..a laminated back window or a basic digital cam? See where I'm headed?
And for a cars that size, the cargo capacity still vastly underperforms sportswagons and the less pretty Model Y. Yes, Tesla was lazy and could have put 100 kWh in that one to get similar range to Polestar 4 and Porsche Macan EV, but their clients can live with the specs, and get a big cargo space figure, whether that's real or not, practical or not, premium or not. It sells.
It'd lke this trick on a proper wagon and get to stuff it without trying to get view out the inside mirror. It's a near trick, but it's more a Lambo wound patch for the bleeding than a Polestar's most valuable differentiators. Is the view better with the cam, until it get dirty? I'm sure it is.
@@Luke-PlanesTrainsDogsnCars Yep, it probably is cheaper for the automakers to replace the rear window with a camera
I lost it when he said "character building" wtf.
We need a strong character to listen to this 🙂
This is a tour de force and takes the electric car a genuine replacement for the internal combustion engine I bloody love it
The irony of the company that wrote the book on car safety deleting a way to see out is delicious
You don't look out through back window. You look at a small rectangular mirror showing a reflection of peoples heads, head rests, and maybe a little bit of the world behind the car.
Indeed. A way to make slender posts for a panoramic cabin space seems to have been replaced by safety reasons and engineers 'just add more metal'. It is a shame that there hasnt been much thought about creating an ultra strong slender posts. My guess is that is 'just too hard' to achieve.
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Bet you're fun at a party 🙄@@TheSilverstamp
@@TheSilverstampI look out through rear window and side windows, to see what is behind my car as well as what is coming. Where I live, young children sometimes run without looking.
Great video. Current Polestar2 LRDM owner here, and this is square in my sights as a next car. Overall, I think I'd like it - but I do have some reservations about a camera instead of a mirror, given how bad the rear view camera on the PS2 is once there's a mist of dirty road water and tree sap misted on the lens. Also you can keep the autonomous driving, I'd be un-checking that option! Oh and the labelling of all the parts with their eco-credentials looks ridiculous too ... stop that please Polestar, makes me look really self-righteous as the owner.
Agreed on the labelling - it feels like homes with 3d wording or a wall sign in the kitchen instructing visitors what to think. Keep the environmentally conscious materials but quit the self righteousness vibe.
To be fair though, the rear camera on the P2 is for reversing only and not a "rear view" camera as such, plus, it is situated just above the registration plate, so is bound to get mucky. The HD rear view camera on the 4 is roof mounted and has an overhung cover, I would expect they have run multiple tests this position in all weather types to ensure it remains clean and clear and meets all regulations. I am also a Polestar 2 driver , Launch Edition DM PP and looking as the Polestar 4 DM as my next car, no question.
Having seen the gaudy interior of the BMW i5, this interior looks so much cleaner and elegant.
Definitely and it's really cool
Had a polestar 2 for 6 months, great car, only downsides is the ride is really hard and the centre raised stack inside restricts leg movement and makes it feel claustrophobic. Currently in a 24 Highland and I get the hype.
Wonder if our roads and car parks are going to increase in size to accommodate these ever larger vehicles, no, thought not
There’s plenty of cars around now (and have been for some time) that are bigger and take up more space than this does. Really don’t think it’s an issue.
Large European cars are selling since forever
It's a sleek looking beast, one of the better looking EVs to date
3:54 "Thanks for giving you some of my time..." 😊
At least the older one had some character. Now this looks just like every other vacuum cleaner out there.
“… In a way that you’re above the road.” Unlike all those non new SUVs where you sit below the road…. Just love the way designers talk. About as much sense as wine tasting notes.
Another great video Johnny. You always seem to build up a good rapport with designers.
designers do talk in their own 'nerdy' language - and then Johnny comes along with 'thats a big old flap that' with a big smile !!
Beautiful, minimal and aesthetic design 🥵
Wider than a Mercedes Sprinter van!
I worked in the same building as Polestar Germany and they regularly hat events where you could test drive them for an hour. Loved driving the Polestar 2 and I am seriously considering the 4 after seeing this. Love the back-end and the interior. I didn't know they made so few Polestar 1's, we'd always see several in the parking garage of the building.
Next they will get rid of the windscreen and fit a camera. Windows are good they let in light.
A pleasant first look. I like your style Johnny-you make people relax.
So as soon as the camera breaks you can't see anything behind you and ten years from now you won't be able to get replacements, which means the car will be basically scrap. Heck, even if the camera gets dirty you're going to struggle. Also, how well does it handle glare from the sun? You can bang on about 360 view all you like, but we already have that, in the form of very simple, easy to replace tech called........windows. Cars really are getting silly with all the tat they try to jam into them to justify the ridiculously high prices we now see.
Nobody's forcing you to have one. Just buy another car.
Nobody's forcing you to have one. Just buy another car.
Heck, while they're at it, remove the windshield and replace it with a 50" display.... Absolutely silly idea to replace windows and mirrors with cameras and screens. Wasteful, needlessly complex, inconvenient and unsafe!
You can still see behind you by using the door mirrors...
@@ulwurand nobody asked for your "opinion" so just get used to the fact that yours has no greater value than anyone else's.
Fabulous to see you Back doing 'design led' Car reviews, your the best in the business at this 👍. I used to love it in the early days when you and your notebook went off to the Tokyo motor show 👏
£60K to £70K for a family car filled with unnecessary tech turned me off straight away. No thanks.
Great that you got the designer there with you also going over the design. Always the best review when you do them :)
I saw my first Honda e this morning. Cute little thing.
I had one for 2 years and thoroughly enjoyed it; it always received a lot of attention as they were, and still are, rare (and have now been discontinued)! 🙂
Really like the current Volvo and Polestar design language. They all look really clean and classy, so much better than any Tesla offering. But I do wish manufacturers would stop using the SUV tag as a marketing gimmick. That is not an SUV! ( thank God!)
Great Vid Jonny! Is there a viewing depth perception issue with the car being reliant on the rear facing camera/screen? I know a number of other cars have this tech but they mostly have rear windows as well and can flip between screen and mirror, have heard comments about judging distance. Thoughts? Is there a 3D tech option available?
This one flips from mirror to camera also.
Looks alright, out my price range. Am i the only one would wants a really old school feeling EV? I dont mean restomod but just a very analog feeling car with an EV powertrain. I am talking basic seats, door locks, knobs on the dash, no fancy over the top sensors in the wheels that adjust the suspension none of that. Basically as if they took a car from the 2000s and made it run on an electric motor instead of combustion. Cheap, fun to drive, gets you from A-B no fancy gimmicks or screens just a tool to travel in. For me less is more, i want something cheap and easy to work on that i dont really care about getting bush rash on or something or a sensor taking the entire car out that costs a few 1000. I dont care for headlights that are £800+ each none of that rubbish. Oh and glass, whats with them putting glass on roofs and stuff now! Just stop it nobody is looking up while driving right?
It’s all about the wheelbase :)
Bad Base 🎶
EVs are rapidly becoming more soul less than one could imagine. I don't see anyone getting emotionally attached to an EV in the way we love say a Lotus Carlton, a 911 or a Quattro or a real ICE car!
Pricy
The lack of a window is interesting. The designer is trying very hard to justify it but I'm not convinced. The studio lights being used is a direct result of it as an example.
Is there uranus?!
Such good camera work btw
I did giggle at that a little bit. If only there was an easy way to get more natural light into the rear of the car...
Very cool, but how is the dog going to stare out the back? 🐶😢
Really felt like a podcast. Loving it.
I am a PS2 user for three years and very satisfied with the car especially the quality and design. Will definitely buy PS4 this year to replace my PS2. Can't wait
The unbeaten car review channel hands down!
Used to drive vans a lot, can't say I particularly found no rear window a huge problem.
I came to say this! I drive a transit just now without a back window 😂
Same. And my last two cars have had no rear wiper, which if you live in the UK, means you can't see out of the back for 70% of the time anyway. 🤣
Why is no rear window a “huge problem?” I'd say restricted FOV and blind spots are a bigger problem with rear windows, and a camera based system gets around that.
This weights like a van, too.
@@ElTio.45-70 does it aye? 😂
I like the styling and the robotic, monolithic rear design. Nice video and great to see the designer present the product.
I own a PS2, I just hope they have designed a way to clean the rear-view camera, the one on the PS2 gets filthy and is of very little use in a UK winter. I'll definitely consider this for my next car but also looking at Q6 e-tron, and of course the new Macan.
This is the coolest!
Not seen you for a while
Good to see you back
Thanks Jonny - love your style. The car looks amazing.
Thanks for watching!
Polestar 2 owner looking at PS 4. Well done video. Thank you.
I like the car honestly..
It will constitute a qualitative leap and shift in design and engineering in the automotive industry. The best shape ever, these are the cars of the future
Would like to know the design thinking that resulted in the rear camera and window being mutually exclusive? Nothing to say that both can’t exist together, with the camera there to augment the rear vision when needed…night, big load, reverse manoeuvring etc. etc.
So,you didn’t watch the video?
Good content, keeps me entertained while charging my Cupra Born down on holiday in Cornwall!!
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I prefer a 3 minute stop at the V-power pump.
We have an E Tron, Cupra Born, Touareg TDi in the family and it’s a fight for the EV keys as we aren’t daft in what costs the least to run!!
Purity of the logo… lol. This video could have skipped the marketing waffle guy 😂
I just can't wait to receive it. Totally in love with this car.
400 staff let go last week due to struggling sales ?? Can't understand why 🤔😆
Another fantastic first look at a new Car Jonny, through its not the car for me, you cannot fault the tech in this car.
Beautiful design ! Long wheelbase, short overhangs, and perfectly balanced proportions...seems shorter and lower than what really is. From the back it gives hints of Volvo PV444 in a "retro-futuristic" kind of way.
I don't give a damn if its not the best EV of the market, the fastest or the most efficient, because as a piece of design its just formidable.
Love the design concepts. Would have liked to see how the rear camera that replaces the window actually works.
I thought Polestar are going bust. Anyhow why do we need massive big EV's which are primarily more suited for city driving so we get another road crushing SUV that very few can afford or want.
No, Polestar are not going bust, Volvo is no longer investing in Polestar, possible reducing their shares. Which means Polestar gets more independant or Geely takes it up further.
Me: Polestars are really good looking cars you know.
Also me: Well hello, Max...
No camera never ever breaks! So don’t worry about having no back window.
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Back windows also never break...right?
Or rear view mirrors that never break...right?
Stupid
It may be the first car with no rear window but lots of vans have no rear window. Not a problem in daily driving.
Pretty disappointed by this- BRILLIANT video again from Jonny! I'm beginning to see why people are turning away from BEV. The tech isn't advancing quickly enough, charge times, battery range etc hasn't improved much in the last 5 years. In the meantime prices are going up, charging costs are going up and manufacturers seem obsessed with selling us cars we don't want or need. Who wants an SUV/coupe?! It looks MASSIVE and yet the boot is useless, my measure for a practical boot is a Volvo 240- can you fit a washing machine sized box in the boot? Nope, then its not a family vehicle. Everything about it looks enormous and yet the place where EVs make any sense at all is in 'urban areas' and yet, thats the very same place where space on the road is at a premium. I really wish a manufacturer would think about how cars are used in the real world, what the real world looks like and make something thats fit for that purpose, rather than trying to create a futurist, blade runner esq aesthetic that is neither practical nor appealing.
They make cars people want to buy. Just not you.
@tris 100%. We need more traditional wagons and small to medium hatch backs. Way more practical and efficient
Looking at the numbers of EVs being sold I politely disagree. @@MyMednas
Many years ago in my early twenties I had a 1986 Cavalier SRI , what a fabulous car. Vauxhall went down hill in the millennium
Makes total sense. So many cars have reversing cameras, and I’ve always wondered why I can’t just have that viewable 24/7. I tested a Model S and had it on the screen the whole drive and found it much clearer/ simpler than using the rear view mirror. Especially if you’ve got a tall numpty sitting in the middle rear seat 😂
Stunning. If I had the money then that is what I would buy
Focus on ambient lighting? This is not a car.
And why is this not marked as an ad?
It is not an ad, because it's a walk round video where I got chance to speak with the designer.
@@TheLateBrakeShow C'mon - its a bit of an ad in that there was precious little "journalism" - just lots of sage nodding and agreeing.....
Currently out of my price range but I'd love to find a pre-owned one in a few years.
8:30 - wait tor the cheeky smile!
Great video and good to hear from the people at Polestar. Not convinced that’s an SUV, maybe just in marketing speak. I am a sucker for ambient lighting. 😊
67k for a family car when average Joe gets £11.00 per hour???? Doesn't add up really
Driving is for celebrities and Gods chosen people only!! Average Joe can walk or get the bus.
Stunning design
Excellent video as usual, and a great looking car too. But removing the rear window and then trying to say "it actually has a rear window" while pointing to a camera? Give it a rest. If Tesla had done this the entire internet would be ablaze with people taking the piss.
That was an aggressive call to subscribe...good thing I'm already subscribed 🥰.
BMW wishes they would have turned the X6 into something like this! WOW!!! The Polestar 4 is SICK!!! ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
It really is amaz design
I am a total petrol head but love this
14 cameras ..big brother stuff
I'd be very interested in upgrading my Polestar 2 to one of these in a few years. I was unconvinced, but watching this has been very interesting. Looking forward to when I can get a test drive in one.
Absolutely disgusting in terms of safety. People driving behind it can’t observe the traffic in front for NO FUCKING REASON!
Don't follow so closely then! LOL
I love it. Best design since I-Pace