I placed links to the most qualified turbine options above, under the video. Fact: You can use up to 6 times the battery voltage rating coming "from" a wind turbine, the battery can not be a tiny bank, you need over 340 Amp Hours per 750 watts of actual turbine output capacity. *Example* a 24 volt 800 watt to charge 12 volt = 400+ watts / 35 amps @12 volts and is perfect for a 340 AH bank or larger to charge effectively. Like math for 48 volt to a 24 volt bank.
John, I build my own wind turbines by using Pittman GM9236 12/24v motors at a 19.7:1 ratio with blade diameter at 33” along with 25’ of 10 ga stranded copper zipwire into my 14 volt battery banks that I use for EmComm communications. All my radios operate at 13.8 volts -/+15% but most of the time, my battery banks sit between 14.2-14.6 volts depending on the amount of sunlight and wind. Trade winds run between 6-15 mph with maybe 3-5 a month up to 25mph. I’ve experimented many years and really enjoy this stuff.
Thank you for this explanation, John. I am slower than the average bear but I think I am beginning some of the idiosyncrasies of turbines and battery bank. I will be starting on the Earthship Biotecture home north of Reno-Sparks, Nevada this summer...things are going to get "interesting"! I will continue to follow you videos and information and, hopefully, overcome the pitfalls of being off grid. Blessings!
John, The thought occurred to me to pass on a tidbit of information I picked up in my 15 years in the motor business. I worked as an Engineering Technician for a major motor manufacturer in Central Missouri. I fabricated and tested fractional horsepower A/C drive motors. I had access to a wealth of design data on all types of motors including generators. In the business there was a general rule of thumb that all of us in the Applications Engineering Department used when evaluating generators or most motors. On average a one horse power generator (746W) will weigh about 26 pounds or about 29W per pound. When I look at some websites such as the one distributor in Missouri I find major discrepancies in energy production with respect to the 746W to 26 pound ratio. Admittedly there are exceptions to every rule but generally not to these extremes. The two imported wind generators I purchased fell easily within the rule of thumb I explained above. By my calculations a 3000 watt generator will weigh around 100 pounds. The Missouri turbine would be much heavier by my calculations. If you have time, you may do some research to verify my suggested rule of thumb for wind turbines. If you find it is consistent please consider making a video and helping buyers of wind products make the smart purchases instead of purchasing wind products based only upon website claims.
@@mgold4685 I have that one on the burner awaiting a ebay "find" of additional materials to show in comparison with fact verses fiction video standards. Copper weight, the material of absorption of energy is 100% relative, unless your from a tin shack in Missouri, then its lies that create energy.
@@rongray4118 My suggestion, Avoid the common Mother Earth pumped design. Builders of it do not share the actual results and hide them well. MOLD. Massive induced mold from un sterilized soils, hay bales and rammed earth, including radon toxicity 4 x the acceptable. The best thing I ever saw and learned of you can do easy in that area. Rubble Lava Crete. And you can build it yourself easy, very easy. To build with Rubble Lava you just make forms, and every 4 to 6 inches of 1 to 3" Lava rock you shovel in you put in 1 to 2 inches of cheap mortar mix over it then wash in with water. Making your forms 14" wide creates a wall of insane strength and insulation value. Using cedar 2x wood you build in your window and door frames in action. Best thing is Lava is 1/3 the weight of regular gravel, and easy to haul. And its a waste haul for the gold mines that is almost free. You buy the mortar in 1 ton bulk for 50% cost too, delivered from the place in Sparks.
Per John's suggestion via this video and many others... I ordered a 500 watt- 3 blade- 24v turbine running on a 12v system ('Chinese Wonder' as he calls them). Mine has been installed in Northern Maine for approximately 3 weeks now. I am completely 100% satisfied with the results. My diversion and brake system are EXACTLY as recommended by John in his several videos... all are working fantastic. We had high winds over night (for this area..... approximately 18-28 mph. I observed as much as 412 watts from my turbine with a pretty constant output in the 190-230 watt range. All I really hoped for from this turbine was to keep my batteries semi-topped off during the long dark days of winter here in Maine. I am getting MUCH more than I could have possible expected. Thank you John for your ALWAYS informative videos and insight. I'm glad I found your channel 6 months ago!
John, We live completely off grid in the Panhandle of Texas. I took your advice some months back and purchased one of the imported 700 watt wind genny's you installed and tested. It has been up and turning for three months with zero problems. Cannot thank you enough for the advice. This was a 24V three blade unit. Out here, the wind speeds, as you might guess are far from low on average. We regularly get gusts over 60mph. The unit performs extremely well in high wind environments. Kudo's for your insights In our area, many live off grid on large solar installations but few have considered hybrid power systems using wind. We now operate almost 20Kw of solar and about 2.5Kw (5 units) of wind production. A good mix that keeps our storage batteries (40) topped off. I recently purchased an imported 48V three blade 600W unit and installed it a couple days ago. The included charge controller failed first day but manufacturer is replacing it at no cost. I developed the commercial production processes for the 1.4Kw and 2.8Kw Airboss HAWT turbine years ago but I lacked marketing skills to get it to the public. Last year sold the fabrication and manufacturing infrastructure to Tony at Hurricane Wind Power in Virginia. I hope he is able to press the design on to production. He produces good product and takes care of his customers. Looking forward to more of your videos
We have land south west of Brady and are looking to eventually move back permanent. Hoping to bulk buy lots more with a few other similarly skilled and thinking folks then split on investment but team act on everything.
EXACTLY what I was asking for John! Thank you!! Now... I think I’m going to contact Green E and upgrade to a 24v 800 watt turbine rather than the 500 watt model I ordered for my 12v system. I’ve been tracking my wind speeds at my camp in Northern Maine and am averaging 12-15 mph winds consistently. RARELY seeing anything over 18-20... and even more rare are speeds up tp 25mph. Everything is all wired up... just waiting for shipments to return to semi-normal. Thanks again!!
Big thumbs up here!. I'm using an istabreeze i1500 24v 5 blade turbine which starts much earlier that a previous 3 blade version but the rpm is obvously lower making it harder to reach cut-in., meaning it spent a lot of time jjust spinning but nnot reaching cut-in. But using your advice to switch to a 12 volt battery bank has transformed total energy output. Now, in mid October, the mill is producing almost continuously, even when there's ust a light breeze. It just never stops, sometimes only a few watts, sometimes averaging a couple of hundred, with the odd big peaks of nearly 1000w. But the big peaks are just vanity and I'm just really pleased to see it connntinuously churning out small amounts in light winds. I was worried about shoving high voltages into the batteries but my DIY controller seems to keep it well under control ( dump @ 15v , stop dump around 13v ). I think people new to turbines ( like me ) don't fully understand that a nominally rated turbine produces a very wide range of voltages well under and way way beyond cut-in. So thanks for explaining this. Just brilliant!
@@JOHNDANIEL1Ok, you got me there!. Just invested in that coffee thing. And I'm really grippy when it comes to donations :-)) Will probably have to have an early night to get over it.
Hello. Great video. The wind in my area is not consistent. Sometimes It is 40 milles our but most of the time is only 10 miles hour or less. I was thinking about replacing the wind turbine Blades with bigger ones so the wind turbine would get more wind. The problem I see it's during those very windy days, would the generator be able to brake the wind turbine? I am not thinking about doubling the size of the Blades, only a little bit bigger? What do you think? Many thanks
We have been back up and running, plus getting parts ready for the install this month. Has to be up before late September weather changes, so I'm on it.
New and vital information that everyone needs to think about before installing a wind turbine. Before you go out to a location, what do you look at to decide what you seasonal average winds are?
Hey John I have 25 year old Solar & Wind Energy company we do Off Grid solar all over North Arizona haven't installed any Wind Turbines since AeroMax or AeroMag went out of business what system from BC would you recommend for both a low wind backup for solar out on the Navajo Nation and for Houseboats out on the Lake? I'd like your opinion on the old AeroMag Furlling compared to the BC product your doing fabulous things with please dont be shy we had great results with them and quit doing wind when they went tits up and didn't think about Wind until I started watching your videos I'd love recommendations and and maybe a sample Household install or your idea of how it should be done I have plenty of them wanting wind backup and not so patiently waiting Thanks again your a True American Patriot Rock On
Hi John, very interesting and very good video! Congratulations. I have a doubt, I don't know if you could help me. A few months ago I made a solar installation thinking it would be enough for a house of sporadic use but it has not been enough, the thing is that I bought an inverter and a controller that only served for a solar installation. In my area there is not much wind but now in winter there is always more, my batteries are "Pylontech US3000 48V series C". I understand from your video that the most interesting for me would be a 800w or 1000w 48v turbine, correct? I was also writing to ask you if a wind controller connected directly to the batteries and a solar controller connected by another band to the batteries would be optimal, or if I should change the circuit and put a wind air controller and connect the two equipments (wind and solar) through a single controller?
Thanks for the explanation John. We get a fair amount of wind in Cedar City. I purchased a 5kw wind turbine a couple of years back but never installed it as I’m waiting to have a house built so I know where to place the giant concrete footer that will secure the 25’ pole the turbine mounts to.. Anyway, is there a MPPT that handles both solar and wind power?
So what are my wire limits when using a 10 gauge for a 24 volt turbine to a 12 volt system? That's my current set up(with GE-500 with 6 blades),and I'm running about 60/70 feet. And I'll get good low consistent wind gusts,and I'll have windy nights and the turbine will spin. But the power output is sort of joke(10-45 watts) my peak has been 115watts a few times on stormy nights. I'm using a meter to keep track. I think the wire is the issue, but maybe my wind speeds/ height of my turbine is also. I have no idea how fast the turbine is spinning when it is spinning and what power to expect from it. I did do a drill test with the long wire and the turbine and I could get 150 watts across,but that was only with the drill. So I'm a little stumped.
You should be just in the limits of 10awg wire, but your set up may not be getting enough clean and constant air. Dirty air due to obstacles can give these results.
@@JOHNDANIEL1 that's good to know my wires should be good. I just wanted to know where I should be focusing to help fix the turbine. I appreciate the feedback!
MY case: No batt-grids tie- Very LOW WIND, BREEZE! I WILL get a pma alt bldc out of a motorcycle so is 12v! --- SHOULD i redesign my coils yo convert to 48v? Any COGGING with think wire? How Thick? 2 mm? 100 turns? I know THERE are fórmulas BUT havent got yo thaT point althoug I am ready x ac recoiling? I WISH to produce 1 kw/ A Day! Any advise?
Question about wind speed. Generally 6 to 7 months winds speed are 5 to 10mph, then 20 to 35mph the rest of the time. Should I go with the higher voltage 24v or 12v system? What would I expect during the higher wind speeds periods and do the curves just flatten out at some point?
Mr. John, I am installing a PV system with a 48V off grid inverter and 8 (200amp) batteries as a power bank, I will like to add a wind turbine to help charge the batteries when the PV system is not giving the power needed, the Wind goes from 3 m/s (most of the time) and in winter can go as fast as 27/30 m/s. Which turbine can you recommend me to purchase also the dumpload and charge controller needed. Thank you
Send me an email to olympicpowercontrols@yahoo.com and show me all what you're working with, where you're going to be installing at, and what's your final power goal is and I'll see if I can figure you something out. It can take some days for me to get back I get so many emails it's crazy.
What amperes rating should I use for a charge controller? I will have 5 300w solar panels connected to the cc. How many 12v batteries should I plan on? i reside in Ecuador so getting equipment is sometimes problematic, Our house uses approx 35kw per day.
If a 12v battery bank is charging off a 24v turbine will the charge controller recognise that the battery is 12v and step down the higher voltage coming from the turbine to match? Even a cheap charge controller like fw12/24 can it simply be used with this combination setup with no other adjustments or is it better to get a mppt controller?
The charge controller identifies based on the battery not the turbine so it'll work just fine. But if you want the best results and a lot more wattage put into the battery then you want to go with an mppt model that's genuine mppt.
Hey John I actually tried the 24v turbine on a 12v battery and it worked fine. So i got an mppt charge controller to try and get even more power but its not working anymore. Basically it seems like the turbine is on brake mode even at low voltage and wont spin fast like before. The battery is not fully charged and controller is set to correct charging parameters. Anything i could be missing here? Wev got like 50mph winds here today. The moment i revert back to the old controller the turbine spins like crazy and im getting lots of power.
The controller is detecting on the incoming higher voltage for some reason. Send me all your turbine and controller material information, some pics are helpful. I'll see if I can help. olympicpowercontrols@yahoo.com
Would it be possible to run say a 48v or 24v turbine on a 12v system through a bridge rectifier then into a mppt solar controller, using the load output settings on the controller at whatever high and low to trigger a relay to a dump load?
@@JOHNDANIEL1 cheers i already have a mppt solar controller and was looking at a cheap turbine but the controllers seem even cheaper i was thinking of using a rectifier and straight into the battery and using the solar controller load output to trigger a relay to run a dump load are there any decent cheap wind turbine controllers to consider? Thanks
Look for the 800 wind and 600 solar type, they work fine just don't load over 400 solar into them or larger than 500 watt turbines and they will last very long time.
Hi John, thanxs for your videso. How about using a DC voltage booster between the rectifier and charge controller? Wouldn't that keep the batteries at lease a little bit charging? How many amps are those turbines producing at low wind and let's say at 10 volts output? Thanxs
That would be the purpose of an mppt controller, a controller for wind turbines that uses multi PowerPoint tracking which is about the same effect you're asking for will do that job down to 8 volts on a 12 volt system.
@@JOHNDANIEL1 thanxs, but so far, all controllers i've seen don't mention voltage boost. Even the Tracer or XTRA say, that the input voltage must be greater than battery charging voltage.
When using a 24v turbine on a 12v battery bank, are there any changes that need to be made such as switch on wind and sun diversion control from 12v to 24v, or any other components? Or does everything stay the same just like your set up?
Once again another great video that gets the juices flowing! With wind speed in mind what would be the best source for general wind speeds? I live in the Springfield/Eugene area of Oregon and looked at a several sources of which none of them were on the same page. Is there one good source no matter where you live, is it more of a regional thing, or something else? I understand that the specifics are going to vary based on a more specific location, topography, obstructions, etc but I would like to begin plotting out a materials list for an off grid solar/wind system backed by a generator for emergencies. If I'm blessed to find a property with 24/7/365 flowing water then I would love to add hydro to the mix. Thanks again John for another great video and for all of your help!
That's what I've been using for the past month and a half a 24-volt hurricane vector to charge my 12 volt battery system what's beautiful because my wind is between 10 and 15 months at turbine puss 15 in 35 amp to my batterys
basically my question is could I just slap a 24v 800w turbine onto my setup that has a 500 watt 3 phase and give it a go ? I used 3/6 carol wire for the run from turbine down the tower . then a throw switch then to the red box with rectifier and solid state relay and dump control board or float board . 3 100 watt 3 ohm resisters from the red box ,and 12v 1410 ah bank .
@@JOHNDANIEL1 oh okay thanks duh on my part I get it now .just wanted to make sure I had it wrapped up in my head so I don't learn an expensive education lmao 🤣
Hey John ...thanks for the videos ... I’m in Idaho falls ! ..we’ve got some good wind as well 🌬.... I have my first turbine on order ... I notice most of your videos are 1+ years old .... are you still into it ?
I'm sooo confused..lol OK John..so if I have an average wind speed between 8 to 15 mph (we do have days that exceed that) ..and 2 200 ah 12 volt batteries.. would I use the 800 watt 24 stepped down to 12 to charge them..or? Odd part is that we have a wind farm just north of my town up here.. I have not bought the turbine yet..so I want to make sure I buy the right one.. this is all new to me and I have 0 experience with this
The 800 watt from Aliexpress makes very good low wind power, you won't need to go to 24 volt on it, its open voltage at 10 mph is over 35 volts, plenty to do you right. The link that says 800 watt below the video is the one I use.
@Јоhn Daniel Hi, Can a controller of 24v can control the overcharge of a 12V battery bank ? I have a controller which support both wind 3000W max and 300W solar. It is average wind and battery is not charging properly. I measure the voltage of wind and it does not exceed to 15V. Is it wind problem or the generator itself ?
Your controller should Auto detect the battery you're using. If you're using a 12 volt battery then it should Max charge based on the bad recollection you're making. The controller would handle 12 24 and sometimes 48 volt battery Bank. If you're attaching it to a 12 volt battery then it should hit the brakes at 15 volts or divert the load into the resistor. Start pulling a lot of power off your battery while the wind's blowing good and you'll see that it will feed it to the battery and when the battery is fully charged you'll see it giving you the behavior you're getting
Have you setup the larger windmill 1.5kWh - 2 kWh like the GE-2000W and done any cost analyses what you have spent and saved over the years since 3 - 4 of those should satisfy the average family in average wind speed ( A 1.5-kW wind turbine will meet the needs of a home requiring 300 kWh per month in a location with a 14 MPH (6.26 meters per second) annual average wind speed, Average home spends around ca 1000kWh a month mostly in heating or cooling depending on which part of the world they live in ) and based on rough estimate the components you listed the individuals ends up spending ca $500 in total for the GE-500 setup if bought from Uncle Ali not Uncle Sam ( excluding the batteries and the inverter ) or dollar per W ( I think individuals spend at least 3 dollars per watt in solar ) which breaks even with the grid cost ( in the US ) after the GE-500 has produced 4166kWh of energy. We are talking about what $10k for a 10kWh portable system in 8 feet containers ( one 2kWh windmill per container welded on top of the container ) which could easily be re-allocated ( between job sides or homes ) vs $43kWH in solar ( +removal if people moved or sold with the property )
I have a vawt 24v connected to a 600w charge controller when it gets wind it charges nothing when I take the blades off and put a cordless drill on it it will charge at over 7amps any thoughts as to why
Nice to see y again John. I been following just for couples months. Idk if you have it in a video about how many voltage should I get after a 3 phase bridge rectifier? My wind turbine is rate 12-24V. Im getting 52V
John, hello from the Bluegrass state. I’ve been watching your video and have ordered the G&E 500W 5 blade turbine. First, thank you for sharing your knowledge and I love your blatant honesty, we’re like minded! Anyway, I’m planning to use the turbine to add redundancy to my 500w solar set up. My location is on top of an open ridge, we have regular wind speeds of about 18 mph, but occasionally with storms they get up to 55-60 mph gusts. My question is this, will 300w of resistors be enough to effectively brake this turbine in such conditions? If not what do you suggest doing to keep from damaging the turbine? Thanks in advance!
Gday John (from Australia), im after your opinion on sizing a suitable turbine. My average wind speeds seem to vary from 14 to 25mph, the location isnt ideal with nearby building and some trees, but i need to get power into my battery bank before it gets damaged, its been dormant for some time now. I was given 52, 2v 1000ah batteries, currently in a bank of 32v (for an old farm lighting plant) and two banks of 24v. (I can change to any configuration). These are big suckers, each weighs about the 70kg (whats that 150 lbs?) I havent bought any inverters yet, so thought some research on appropriate voltage and charging would be wise first. Your thoughts on size and voltage of wind turbine? Cheers, Chris
Go with a 48 volt 800 watt turbine th-cam.com/video/ilN9604y4fg/w-d-xo.html (link to it below that video) and in Australia the 3 blade will work perfect almost anywhere. Using a 100 amp 48 volt slave battery you can charge it from the 48v turbine, then from it to any voltage you like with a solar controller fed by the 48 volt slave battery with a MPPT controller that's programmable to stop charge or start charge at a voltage setting of on at 46 off at 40 low side. If you want drawings and details on how that works just ask, it may take days to answer but I normally do. olympicpowercontrols@yahoo.com
Hello from Canada John, I will soon receive the 500 watt 5 blades 24 volt wind turbine for my stationary rv 12 volt system, what do you think of mppt wind / solar hybrid regulators with dump load, would that be a good idea to take advantage of the extra occational voltage by integrating this type of mppt regulator but only on the wind side of my installation, your expertise is really appreciated, thank you.
Yes, but be sure to get one rated at no less than 800 peak wind watts/600 solar capable for that turbine. On the same link below the video for the turbine will get you some examples if you scroll down once on the AliExpress. The best ones have the blue labels on them. But never run over 75% of their solar rating in panels to the dual function. Too much mosfet heat will build up.
@@JOHNDANIEL1 Thank you for your answer, I did not find the ones with the blue labels in your links but I found the green one with an external dump load in your suggested links, I will use this thing only for the wins side of my installation since I already have an Epever 4510 powered by 2x235 watts connected in series for the solar side, the wind turbine G&E 500 watts 24 volts 5 blades arrived today, what a beast, I will order the hybrid mppt regulator tomorrow and in the next weeks I will finalize my installation at the camp, thank you for your suggestions and continue your work, your expertise is important for a lot of people.
I would like to know the average rpm of the wind turbine say in a 10 mph wind. 500 rpm or would it be more like 2500 rpm. If batteries are being charged
Thank you. We have land near showlow AZ will be building off grid with 8000 watts solar and 1 or2 wind turbine to keep batteries up at night .average wind is 5-15 mph but I've been checking weather reports and I think it is more like 4-7 thanks again for the info
@John Daniel: First of all, thanks for all the great videos. They really helped! And I have a question: If I would use an MPPT booster (with a cut-in charge voltage at ~6V), wouldn't that also solve the low wind problem with a 12V turbine? And I was also wondering: When using a 24V/48V turbine on a 12V battery array: push it through a rectifier with ripple filter, then a 12V MPPT solar charger (which many times can easily handle up to 100V input). Wouldn't that also be an option? I'd love to hear your opinion on this.
Depends on the MPPT brand, some fail to react until the input is somewhat constant. Those cheap 800 watt wind/400w solar mppt controllers work well though.
Hi mr daniel, I have low wind speed and also would like to have a smallest wind turbine and almost as good as high volt hurricane. It there any other smaller in size ..
@@tortoisevlog3380 I would suggest the $315 of the 24 volt model GE-500/600 with the low wind blades bit.ly/2LCRWnd . Its proven to give you constant results in low wind areas when installed in good clear air.
I have been watching your videos and thought this might be a place a novice such as myself could get a real tried and true answer as opposed to an opinion (since I don't want to burn my equipment up based on an opinion). I have a solar setup consisting of a Bluetti EB150 and two 100 watt solar panels (the Bluetti is one of those all in one units consisting of lithium batteries, charge controller and inverter). Solar, no problem. Connect the negative and positive to the charge lead, plug it in and you are charging. My question is, will the power coming from the wind controller be just as simple? That is, could I hook the negative and the positive from the wind controller to a charge lead and plug it into the Bluetti (which has a built in charge controller) and charge it? I have seen in your videos that you should connect to the battery first before making your other connections for wind turbines (if I remember correctly). Perhaps that would be an issue or perhaps something else might not work. I am hoping to start out with a cheap offshore unit just to get my feet wet. Any answers will be appreciated.
@@JOHNDANIEL1 Yes it does work for my current needs but I am looking to learn more and build my own systems. Problem is, it is hard to get answers to specific problems. I've done my share of learning from my mistakes but I've found over the years that it is also good, perhaps better, to learn from others mistakes. That is why I inquired as to the nature of the power coming from the turbines controller. Still hopeful that someone will have an answer for me while I continue to research.
Wind turbines and Lithium charge control styles like the Bluetti has will struggle or get damaged by the high surge outputs that are likely with a wind turbine. Wind storms on a 500 watt turbing like I use can push over 65 amps/ 800 watts into a BMS ( Battery Charge Controller for Lithium) which will burn it up. Solar is a preset max input the BMS can handle. You CAN though using some lead acid trickery and a 24 volt small turbine do some wind to Bluetti Magic! We done this with 2 of the Bluetti units, biggest ones they had, 2 cheap Walmart RV batteries wired to 24 volt, 400 watts solar and a 300 watt turbine wired to 24 volts and its still working today in a mine claim in Riggins Idaho today. By Using the 2 WalMart Type 29DC batteries to accept the 30 to 32 volt incoming charge they then put the power into the solar ports on the bluetti combos through 2 cheap PWM solar controllers 24 volt in -12 volt out and he has a set up working and able to pull one off to take into the mining adits and digs.
@@JOHNDANIEL1 Thanks a lot for that info! I really do appreciate you taking the time to impart your experiences and knowledge on the subject. At first I was thinking, what the heck, DC from solar should be the same as DC from wind. But then my experiences (read "age" here) told me to remember that nothing is ever as simple as it looks. I'll keep studying up on the subject and thanks again.
Mi wind is between 8 to 16 miles an hour average so I have a hurricane vector 24 volt 1000 watt using a book out between 250 to 550 watt wen I get 20 to 30 mile an hour winds I have seen it push away 1500 watt
Glad you contacted me, I live in ND. Work in DC. & NY. on some wind projects. Next should be interesting 2021. Like to keep in contact with u. Thanks. Inventor.
@@rolandmousaa3110 I like a term like Inventor-Libertarian-Hater of Grubberment! Want some *DONE THAT BEEN THERE FACTS!* For many years I built the huge concrete bases for mega watt wind turbines from Texas to Washington State. The funny thing hidden by the media, the democrat party, Al Gore ( from his 400 gallon a hour jet plane) is both wind and solar installs is over 80% of the people, businesses and land owners installing it are in RED states, not blue ones. I have seen the inside of court rooms in California, Illinois, Maryland and Oregon as a professional Impact witness on numerous suits for construction projects when Blue State jobs ( mostly California, Oregon, Illinois and Washington) where the contractors got sued by leftist, democrats, and big hollywood money to stop wind and solar contracts. We even got sued by Ted Turner who made CNN in Montana to stop projects there. From 2006 to 2012 when I did it, In Texas-Oklahoma-Kansas (Referred to as Backwards ass Red States by the media ) a Wind Farm unit price and time got built on average 22 days per GE 1.5 megawatt or 20 days per 1.36 Megawatt Siemens unit. Cost was $381,000 average. In California a per unit average was 154 days per GE 1.5 megawatt or 135 days per 1.36 Megawatt Siemens unit with a average cost of $1,708,000 each and you don't even want to build on in Washington or Oregon unless your immortal and can live long enough to get it done! On big solar arrays, mega watt scale, Between Private and Commercial the per capita in red states of output is over 330% more than that of the Blue States. Again, leftist suing to stop the UGLY jobs. **Thoughts to ponder - If you are like Barack Obama, and you stole 64 billion dollars for the global warming oceans rising hoax, would you have bought a 16 million dollar mansion on the beach from your $425,000 a year salary as president - He did!........ Hmmm
@@JOHNDANIEL1 nobama isn't even an American. Everyone in kenya knows he was born in kenya... only the libtards in America are stupid enough to believe he was born here. When I lived in Romania I went into the kenyan parliamentary website and downloaded part of their Parliamentary record where they clearly stated multiple times he's a kenyan, born in kenya and they claim the reason America elected a kenyan as our President is because America is "all inclusive". I tried to access it again after I came back to the states, but you can't access it from America. It's blocked to America. I still have a copy of it if you'd like to see it. Law Enforcement investigated it and proved that the certificate of live birth that he provided and claimed was his was a computer generated fake. They showed on video how they took it apart and it couldn't have been taken apart like that if it was real. nobama's lawyers admitted in court that it was fake and they admitted he wasn't born in the US, but they claim he was elected by the people so he was President. Truth is... he's just an illegal alien usurper who was put in office by the libtards and muslims. That's why he helped to kill Qaddafi... because Qaddafi stated publicly in a speech that nobama was a muslim plant helped by the libtards to get into our white house. He was brought into the US by his parents and was never naturalized so he's still an illegal alien. There's no record of him ever having been brought to the US legally. He even stated himself, in the forward he wrote for one of his books, that he was born in kenya and raised in Hawaii and Indonesia.
Hi john I bougth a 1200w low wind rated 11 blade from hydrogenappliance 24v for my lifepo4 battery bank voltage of batt is 26 to 29volt and my turbine peoduce nothing... sometime i see 60w and less i live in city on a 30 foot dmx tour and hydrogene dont reply much my email about my problem
DO not use the multiple blade set up, they wind wall and prevent high RPM. Get a 5 blade KT set and use. As for wiring, your fine as long as your not over 60 or 70 feet using the 16/3 x 3 set up. ebay.to/3bLO267
Forgot/ Maybe I JUST need 500.mAh or less Pma alt= 200w. Breeze= 1m/s Vwat WILL be maglev- magnético SHOULD. I use a controlar BEFORE THE puré sine wave psw converter?
thanks john I new there had to be a way to do that I got low wind here so I made a actual flux turbine with a six blades with a 6'6''3/4dim.and put 40'in the air it puts out 12.3v @60rpm & could you make a video on how to set those meters like yours I lost the instructions for mine keep up the good the work nice videos
Hi Has anyone tried using a roof ventilator as a vawt ? Seem a few spinnng on a roof today, It seems obvious , so there must be a reason they are not used ? Any thoughts ?
If you can get a 52" diameter 28" tall Commercial warehouse size from Graingers, you may have a option. But on a residential size you can get 5 watts power from them using about $50 in parts. 5 watts is same as distance wire loss to try and use it that way. We did do a embedded magnet model from a auction that was able to hit 122 watts in 20 mph. But the bearing arrangement is poor.
I am at it over 12 hours a day 7 days a week. Hoped I could take a brake soon. Then they hit us with this china viral fun to deal with now. Stay safe and live well.
Hi John. I have some questions I wish you have time to answer them. 1: You have wind turbines are connected to 12v battery system, and they make make good amps as you have shown in some of your videos, so if you connect same wind turbines to 24v battery system, I want to know the amps will be the same or will drop to half. 2: In this video you said we can use 24v wind turbine with 12v battery system, I want to know is there any difference between 12 & 24 wind turbines AC output or the output is the same. 3: last question I want to install a 800w wind turbine on (one) 12v battery and I will use charge controller instead of rectifier is that will damage my battery.
The windings in the generator are heavier for 12 volt use, 16 AWG typically. A 24 volt is 21 AWG and a 48 volt is 27 AWG. The reason you can use a 24 or even a 48 volt on a 12 volt battery is that it's making higher volts, the battery hold the volts down as it absorbs it in that scenario. Using a 800 watt turbine with the original controller is fine, just be sure you have at least 240 Amp Hour of battery. Such a turbine on a small amp amount of battery will over charge it too often, drying out the electrolyte in it.
@@JOHNDANIEL1 I was watching your videos and you just reply, you explain everything in great details. OK thanks I'll will take wind speed in consideration.
@@JOHNDANIEL1 Hi John, I was in contact with G&E store in Aliexpress, I asked them for the rated current for their 800w wind turbine, and the said it's 38A. They explain why it 38A not higher by this equation: 800/12/1.732=38A. Is that correct. Your 800w makes over 60A, why their turbine make half of that.
Hi John. G&E now lists a 1KW wind turbine. It says that they have sold 1. You didn't happen to by it did you ? I really enjoy your videos. You make me want to buy a wind turbine. But I live in a high rise apartment building. :-(
my thought is bad weather u have wind. bad weather is when power goes out. solar for good days but also have wind turbine for bad days. it may not work every day but there when u really need it.
Never depend on Wind or Solar, but create a condition to never be forced to depend on industry or Grubberment! *Quote* from this fun famous Idaho Hillbilly Poky DoRight in 2003 LOL!
@@JOHNDANIEL1 when there is no hot water, elec. , shitter not working in a natural disaster you can depend on the man getting blamed for it by the wife :)
Gday from Australia .... are u sure missuri wind and solar havnt set up shop here in Australia .....carnt find a decent turbine here in auz either... all a bunch of home made shit people asking around 4k for .... dam ive made a few that look similar outta scrap ... anyway champ i ended up taking your advice and buying one through B A C creations ... its not here yet i do hopes it works well,, anyway mr Daniel,,, good vids man
Да Олег, использование более высокого напряжения имело преимущество, но будьте осторожны, не превышайте в 6 раз максимальное сопротивление пластины батареи или вызовет неконтролируемую продувку водородом.
Clearly I should have done some more research before I bought it, beside being Chinese crap, it is 12 volt for low wind - clearly a fail fail situation, although it looks fine turning a little here and there :P I put a small battery 3.7 volt unto it, not sure yet if it has charged it - but I thought, why not try it out. Maybe I should check it out now reminding me about it, I know the battery was totally flat, although I do not expect anything. But lets go and see.
Well the good news is, the battery has not exploded at least.... It does actually have a charge... although 3.43 volts.... Well at least it is not dead.... but.... 4.2 is a fully charged battery :/ 3.7 volt battery so... well I can put it on again and let it sit for some more weeks but clearly it can't even do a small thing like this. Although seeing how it the turbine struggles to get to 4 Voltage I guess it does not get up to the charging level much even with this small battery.
Hello. Great video. The wind in my area is not consistent. Sometimes It is 40 milles our but most of the time is only 10 miles hour or less. I was thinking about replacing the wind turbine Blades with bigger ones so the wind turbine would get more wind. The problem I see it's during those very windy days, would the generator be able to brake the wind turbine? I am not thinking about doubling the size of the Blades, only a little bit bigger? What do you think? Many thanks
I placed links to the most qualified turbine options above, under the video. Fact: You can use up to 6 times the battery voltage rating coming "from" a wind turbine, the battery can not be a tiny bank, you need over 340 Amp Hours per 750 watts of actual turbine output capacity. *Example* a 24 volt 800 watt to charge 12 volt = 400+ watts / 35 amps @12 volts and is perfect for a 340 AH bank or larger to charge effectively. Like math for 48 volt to a 24 volt bank.
John, I build my own wind turbines by using Pittman GM9236 12/24v motors at a 19.7:1 ratio with blade diameter at 33” along with 25’ of 10 ga stranded copper zipwire into my 14 volt battery banks that I use for EmComm communications. All my radios operate at 13.8 volts -/+15% but most of the time, my battery banks sit between 14.2-14.6 volts depending on the amount of sunlight and wind. Trade winds run between 6-15 mph with maybe 3-5 a month up to 25mph. I’ve experimented many years and really enjoy this stuff.
Thank you for this explanation, John. I am slower than the average bear but I think I am beginning some of the idiosyncrasies of turbines and battery bank. I will be starting on the Earthship Biotecture home north of Reno-Sparks, Nevada this summer...things are going to get "interesting"! I will continue to follow you videos and information and, hopefully, overcome the pitfalls of being off grid. Blessings!
John,
The thought occurred to me to pass on a tidbit of information I picked up in my 15 years in the motor business. I worked as an Engineering Technician for a major motor manufacturer in Central Missouri. I fabricated and tested fractional horsepower A/C drive motors. I had access to a wealth of design data on all types of motors including generators. In the business there was a general rule of thumb that all of us in the Applications Engineering Department used when evaluating generators or most motors. On average a one horse power generator (746W) will weigh about 26 pounds or about 29W per pound. When I look at some websites such as the one distributor in Missouri I find major discrepancies in energy production with respect to the 746W to 26 pound ratio. Admittedly there are exceptions to every rule but generally not to these extremes. The two imported wind generators I purchased fell easily within the rule of thumb I explained above.
By my calculations a 3000 watt generator will weigh around 100 pounds. The Missouri turbine would be much heavier by my calculations.
If you have time, you may do some research to verify my suggested rule of thumb for wind turbines. If you find it is consistent please consider making a video and helping buyers of wind products make the smart purchases instead of purchasing wind products based only upon website claims.
@@mgold4685 I have that one on the burner awaiting a ebay "find" of additional materials to show in comparison with fact verses fiction video standards. Copper weight, the material of absorption of energy is 100% relative, unless your from a tin shack in Missouri, then its lies that create energy.
@@rongray4118 My suggestion, Avoid the common Mother Earth pumped design. Builders of it do not share the actual results and hide them well. MOLD. Massive induced mold from un sterilized soils, hay bales and rammed earth, including radon toxicity 4 x the acceptable. The best thing I ever saw and learned of you can do easy in that area. Rubble Lava Crete. And you can build it yourself easy, very easy.
To build with Rubble Lava you just make forms, and every 4 to 6 inches of 1 to 3" Lava rock you shovel in you put in 1 to 2 inches of cheap mortar mix over it then wash in with water. Making your forms 14" wide creates a wall of insane strength and insulation value. Using cedar 2x wood you build in your window and door frames in action. Best thing is Lava is 1/3 the weight of regular gravel, and easy to haul. And its a waste haul for the gold mines that is almost free. You buy the mortar in 1 ton bulk for 50% cost too, delivered from the place in Sparks.
Per John's suggestion via this video and many others... I ordered a 500 watt- 3 blade- 24v turbine running on a 12v system ('Chinese Wonder' as he calls them). Mine has been installed in Northern Maine for approximately 3 weeks now. I am completely 100% satisfied with the results. My diversion and brake system are EXACTLY as recommended by John in his several videos... all are working fantastic. We had high winds over night (for this area..... approximately 18-28 mph. I observed as much as 412 watts from my turbine with a pretty constant output in the 190-230 watt range. All I really hoped for from this turbine was to keep my batteries semi-topped off during the long dark days of winter here in Maine. I am getting MUCH more than I could have possible expected. Thank you John for your ALWAYS informative videos and insight. I'm glad I found your channel 6 months ago!
John, We live completely off grid in the Panhandle of Texas. I took your advice some months back and purchased one of the imported 700 watt wind genny's you installed and tested. It has been up and turning for three months with zero problems. Cannot thank you enough for the advice. This was a 24V three blade unit. Out here, the wind speeds, as you might guess are far from low on average. We regularly get gusts over 60mph. The unit performs extremely well in high wind environments.
Kudo's for your insights
In our area, many live off grid on large solar installations but few have considered hybrid power systems using wind. We now operate almost 20Kw of solar and about 2.5Kw (5 units) of wind production. A good mix that keeps our storage batteries (40) topped off.
I recently purchased an imported 48V three blade 600W unit and installed it a couple days ago. The included charge controller failed first day but manufacturer is replacing it at no cost.
I developed the commercial production processes for the 1.4Kw and 2.8Kw Airboss HAWT turbine years ago but I lacked marketing skills to get it to the public. Last year sold the fabrication and manufacturing infrastructure to Tony at Hurricane Wind Power in Virginia. I hope he is able to press the design on to production. He produces good product and takes care of his customers.
Looking forward to more of your videos
We have land south west of Brady and are looking to eventually move back permanent. Hoping to bulk buy lots more with a few other similarly skilled and thinking folks then split on investment but team act on everything.
EXACTLY what I was asking for John! Thank you!! Now... I think I’m going to contact Green E and upgrade to a 24v 800 watt turbine rather than the 500 watt model I ordered for my 12v system. I’ve been tracking my wind speeds at my camp in Northern Maine and am averaging 12-15 mph winds consistently. RARELY seeing anything over 18-20... and even more rare are speeds up tp 25mph. Everything is all wired up... just waiting for shipments to return to semi-normal. Thanks again!!
Big thumbs up here!. I'm using an istabreeze i1500 24v 5 blade turbine which starts much earlier that a previous 3 blade version but the rpm is obvously lower making it harder to reach cut-in., meaning it spent a lot of time jjust spinning but nnot reaching cut-in. But using your advice to switch to a 12 volt battery bank has transformed total energy output. Now, in mid October, the mill is producing almost continuously, even when there's ust a light breeze. It just never stops, sometimes only a few watts, sometimes averaging a couple of hundred, with the odd big peaks of nearly 1000w. But the big peaks are just vanity and I'm just really pleased to see it connntinuously churning out small amounts in light winds. I was worried about shoving high voltages into the batteries but my DIY controller seems to keep it well under control ( dump @ 15v , stop dump around 13v ). I think people new to turbines ( like me ) don't fully understand that a nominally rated turbine produces a very wide range of voltages well under and way way beyond cut-in. So thanks for explaining this. Just brilliant!
Thats the whole purpose of the video, how to make it work.
In Other great news We accept donations LOL! www.buymeacoffee.com/JOHNDANIEL
@@JOHNDANIEL1Ok, you got me there!. Just invested in that coffee thing. And I'm really grippy when it comes to donations :-)) Will probably have to have an early night to get over it.
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Another Excellent video and still NO animals harmed in the making of it
So True
_Good to see you, I was wondering about y’all. I always learn something new when it comes to your channel. That makes perfect sense!_
Why not make sure all can at least consider a option instead of telling them no option exist.
Јоhn Daniel agree!
Please do a video on your DIY horseshoe choke and explain how it works
John what blade configuration is best for low speed 3 or 5 blade turbines?
5 blade for low winds due to the ease of start up.
@@JOHNDANIEL1 Thank you John
Hello. Great video. The wind in my area is not consistent. Sometimes It is 40 milles our but most of the time is only 10 miles hour or less. I was thinking about replacing the wind turbine Blades with bigger ones so the wind turbine would get more wind. The problem I see it's during those very windy days, would the generator be able to brake the wind turbine? I am not thinking about doubling the size of the Blades, only a little bit bigger? What do you think? Many thanks
Please do a vid on the hurricane 750 watt gen was thinking of getting one would like to see some results and if it would be worth my time. thank you
We have been back up and running, plus getting parts ready for the install this month. Has to be up before late September weather changes, so I'm on it.
@@JOHNDANIEL1 Thank you for replying back look forward to seeing some results
New and vital information that everyone needs to think about before installing a wind turbine. Before you go out to a location, what do you look at to decide what you seasonal average winds are?
Cool stuff
I never would have thought about minimum wind speed/volage relationship👍
Hey John I have 25 year old Solar & Wind Energy company we do Off Grid solar all over North Arizona haven't installed any Wind Turbines since AeroMax or AeroMag went out of business what system from BC would you recommend for both a low wind backup for solar out on the Navajo Nation and for Houseboats out on the Lake? I'd like your opinion on the old AeroMag Furlling compared to the BC product your doing fabulous things with please dont be shy we had great results with them and quit doing wind when they went tits up and didn't think about Wind until I started watching your videos I'd love recommendations and and maybe a sample Household install or your idea of how it should be done I have plenty of them wanting wind backup and not so patiently waiting Thanks again your a True American Patriot
Rock On
So is better a 24v wind turbine for a 12v solar system? I'm new on wind turbines just learning so I can make a wright desition when I bought one.
I still waiting for the hurricane and you wind because I wind 10 to 15 miles I love it
Hi John, very interesting and very good video! Congratulations.
I have a doubt, I don't know if you could help me.
A few months ago I made a solar installation thinking it would be enough for a house of sporadic use but it has not been enough, the thing is that I bought an inverter and a controller that only served for a solar installation. In my area there is not much wind but now in winter there is always more, my batteries are "Pylontech US3000 48V series C". I understand from your video that the most interesting for me would be a 800w or 1000w 48v turbine, correct?
I was also writing to ask you if a wind controller connected directly to the batteries and a solar controller connected by another band to the batteries would be optimal, or if I should change the circuit and put a wind air controller and connect the two equipments (wind and solar) through a single controller?
Thanks for the explanation John. We get a fair amount of wind in Cedar City. I purchased a 5kw wind turbine a couple of years back but never installed it as I’m waiting to have a house built so I know where to place the giant concrete footer that will secure the 25’ pole the turbine mounts to.. Anyway, is there a MPPT that handles both solar and wind power?
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So what are my wire limits when using a 10 gauge for a 24 volt turbine to a 12 volt system? That's my current set up(with GE-500 with 6 blades),and I'm running about 60/70 feet. And I'll get good low consistent wind gusts,and I'll have windy nights and the turbine will spin. But the power output is sort of joke(10-45 watts) my peak has been 115watts a few times on stormy nights. I'm using a meter to keep track. I think the wire is the issue, but maybe my wind speeds/ height of my turbine is also. I have no idea how fast the turbine is spinning when it is spinning and what power to expect from it. I did do a drill test with the long wire and the turbine and I could get 150 watts across,but that was only with the drill. So I'm a little stumped.
You should be just in the limits of 10awg wire, but your set up may not be getting enough clean and constant air. Dirty air due to obstacles can give these results.
@@JOHNDANIEL1 that's good to know my wires should be good. I just wanted to know where I should be focusing to help fix the turbine. I appreciate the feedback!
MY case: No batt-grids tie- Very LOW WIND, BREEZE!
I WILL get a pma alt bldc out of a motorcycle so is 12v!
--- SHOULD i redesign my coils yo convert to 48v? Any COGGING with think wire? How Thick? 2 mm? 100 turns? I know THERE are fórmulas BUT havent got yo thaT point althoug I am ready x ac recoiling?
I WISH to produce 1 kw/ A Day!
Any advise?
You should just order a pre built wind turbine or generator. End cost will be less.
Question about wind speed. Generally 6 to 7 months winds speed are 5 to 10mph, then 20 to 35mph the rest of the time. Should I go with the higher voltage 24v or 12v system? What would I expect during the higher wind speeds periods and do the curves just flatten out at some point?
Mr. John, I am installing a PV system with a 48V off grid inverter and 8 (200amp) batteries as a power bank, I will like to add a wind turbine to help charge the batteries when the PV system is not giving the power needed, the Wind goes from 3 m/s (most of the time) and in winter can go as fast as 27/30 m/s.
Which turbine can you recommend me to purchase also the dumpload and charge controller needed. Thank you
Send me an email to olympicpowercontrols@yahoo.com and show me all what you're working with, where you're going to be installing at, and what's your final power goal is and I'll see if I can figure you something out. It can take some days for me to get back I get so many emails it's crazy.
Sir i have a question, if I have strong wind can I use 48V turbine and a batteries system of 48 VDC ? Thank you!
What amperes rating should I use for a charge controller? I will have 5 300w solar panels connected to the cc. How many 12v batteries should I plan on? i reside in Ecuador so getting equipment is sometimes problematic, Our house uses approx 35kw per day.
If a 12v battery bank is charging off a 24v turbine will the charge controller recognise that the battery is 12v and step down the higher voltage coming from the turbine to match? Even a cheap charge controller like fw12/24 can it simply be used with this combination setup with no other adjustments or is it better to get a mppt controller?
The charge controller identifies based on the battery not the turbine so it'll work just fine. But if you want the best results and a lot more wattage put into the battery then you want to go with an mppt model that's genuine mppt.
Hey John I actually tried the 24v turbine on a 12v battery and it worked fine. So i got an mppt charge controller to try and get even more power but its not working anymore. Basically it seems like the turbine is on brake mode even at low voltage and wont spin fast like before. The battery is not fully charged and controller is set to correct charging parameters.
Anything i could be missing here?
Wev got like 50mph winds here today. The moment i revert back to the old controller the turbine spins like crazy and im getting lots of power.
The controller is detecting on the incoming higher voltage for some reason. Send me all your turbine and controller material information, some pics are helpful. I'll see if I can help. olympicpowercontrols@yahoo.com
@@JOHNDANIEL1 thanks John i sent you an email
I thought of going this route before. Good Stuff. Higher Blade Counts can also make the make or break.
Any blade count over 6 should be used on a Water Pumping Wind Mill!
Thanks for clarifying this. Great info. I can't wait to put this in practice.
Glad it was helpful! It clears the way for some to gain options.
Would it be possible to run say a 48v or 24v turbine on a 12v system through a bridge rectifier then into a mppt solar controller, using the load output settings on the controller at whatever high and low to trigger a relay to a dump load?
Yes, but they already make a controller that can do all of that without having to buy a special unit and then modifying it.
@@JOHNDANIEL1 cheers i already have a mppt solar controller and was looking at a cheap turbine but the controllers seem even cheaper i was thinking of using a rectifier and straight into the battery and using the solar controller load output to trigger a relay to run a dump load are there any decent cheap wind turbine controllers to consider? Thanks
Look for the 800 wind and 600 solar type, they work fine just don't load over 400 solar into them or larger than 500 watt turbines and they will last very long time.
Hi John, thanxs for your videso. How about using a DC voltage booster between the rectifier and charge controller? Wouldn't that keep the batteries at lease a little bit charging? How many amps are those turbines producing at low wind and let's say at 10 volts output? Thanxs
That would be the purpose of an mppt controller, a controller for wind turbines that uses multi PowerPoint tracking which is about the same effect you're asking for will do that job down to 8 volts on a 12 volt system.
@@JOHNDANIEL1 thanxs, but so far, all controllers i've seen don't mention voltage boost. Even the Tracer or XTRA say, that the input voltage must be greater than battery charging voltage.
When using a 24v turbine on a 12v battery bank, are there any changes that need to be made such as switch on wind and sun diversion control from 12v to 24v, or any other components? Or does everything stay the same just like your set up?
Bases its internal settings on your battery bank
Once again another great video that gets the juices flowing! With wind speed in mind what would be the best source for general wind speeds? I live in the Springfield/Eugene area of Oregon and looked at a several sources of which none of them were on the same page. Is there one good source no matter where you live, is it more of a regional thing, or something else? I understand that the specifics are going to vary based on a more specific location, topography, obstructions, etc but I would like to begin plotting out a materials list for an off grid solar/wind system backed by a generator for emergencies. If I'm blessed to find a property with 24/7/365 flowing water then I would love to add hydro to the mix. Thanks again John for another great video and for all of your help!
Check out some of my other videos You'll see one that's listed as a 500 watt low wind generator those are better for your area
@@JOHNDANIEL1 Gotcha. Will look for that one. Thanks John 😁👍
So after rewatching this video John I have 1 more question . Will the red box you sent me handle a 800 watt 24v turbine ?
Yes, add another 60 amp SSR and 300 more watts of resistors.
That's what I've been using for the past month and a half a 24-volt hurricane vector to charge my 12 volt battery system what's beautiful because my wind is between 10 and 15 months at turbine puss 15 in 35 amp to my batterys
In your winds thats a good choice.
midnight mppt works great high voltage upto 250 v dc input , it converts the high voltage to amps , hurricane recommends the midnight with a clipper.
basically my question is could I just slap a 24v 800w turbine onto my setup that has a 500 watt 3 phase and give it a go ? I used 3/6 carol wire for the run from turbine down the tower . then a throw switch then to the red box with rectifier and solid state relay and dump control board or float board . 3 100 watt 3 ohm resisters from the red box ,and 12v 1410 ah bank .
You wiring is good just upgrade the resistors and SSR as I said in the other comment
@@JOHNDANIEL1 oh okay thanks duh on my part I get it now .just wanted to make sure I had it wrapped up in my head so I don't learn an expensive education lmao 🤣
Hey John ...thanks for the videos ... I’m in Idaho falls ! ..we’ve got some good wind as well 🌬.... I have my first turbine on order ... I notice most of your videos are 1+ years old .... are you still into it ?
Yes, it's a best way to extend battery life and bad weather energy needs.
Good to here 😊… I’m learning lots from your videos 👍👍👍
I'm sooo confused..lol OK John..so if I have an average wind speed between 8 to 15 mph (we do have days that exceed that) ..and 2 200 ah 12 volt batteries.. would I use the 800 watt 24 stepped down to 12 to charge them..or? Odd part is that we have a wind farm just north of my town up here.. I have not bought the turbine yet..so I want to make sure I buy the right one.. this is all new to me and I have 0 experience with this
The 800 watt from Aliexpress makes very good low wind power, you won't need to go to 24 volt on it, its open voltage at 10 mph is over 35 volts, plenty to do you right. The link that says 800 watt below the video is the one I use.
@Јоhn Daniel Hi, Can a controller of 24v can control the overcharge of a 12V battery bank ? I have a controller which support both wind 3000W max and 300W solar. It is average wind and battery is not charging properly. I measure the voltage of wind and it does not exceed to 15V. Is it wind problem or the generator itself ?
Your controller should Auto detect the battery you're using. If you're using a 12 volt battery then it should Max charge based on the bad recollection you're making. The controller would handle 12 24 and sometimes 48 volt battery Bank. If you're attaching it to a 12 volt battery then it should hit the brakes at 15 volts or divert the load into the resistor. Start pulling a lot of power off your battery while the wind's blowing good and you'll see that it will feed it to the battery and when the battery is fully charged you'll see it giving you the behavior you're getting
Have you setup the larger windmill 1.5kWh - 2 kWh like the GE-2000W and done any cost analyses what you have spent and saved over the years since 3 - 4 of those should satisfy the average family in average wind speed ( A 1.5-kW wind turbine will meet the needs of a home requiring 300 kWh per month in a location with a 14 MPH (6.26 meters per second) annual average wind speed, Average home spends around ca 1000kWh a month mostly in heating or cooling depending on which part of the world they live in ) and based on rough estimate the components you listed the individuals ends up spending ca $500 in total for the GE-500 setup if bought from Uncle Ali not Uncle Sam ( excluding the batteries and the inverter ) or dollar per W ( I think individuals spend at least 3 dollars per watt in solar ) which breaks even with the grid cost ( in the US ) after the GE-500 has produced 4166kWh of energy. We are talking about what $10k for a 10kWh portable system in 8 feet containers ( one 2kWh windmill per container welded on top of the container ) which could easily be re-allocated ( between job sides or homes ) vs $43kWH in solar ( +removal if people moved or sold with the property )
I have a vawt 24v connected to a 600w charge controller when it gets wind it charges nothing when I take the blades off and put a cordless drill on it it will charge at over 7amps any thoughts as to why
Nice to see y again John. I been following just for couples months. Idk if you have it in a video about how many voltage should I get after a 3 phase bridge rectifier? My wind turbine is rate 12-24V. Im getting 52V
Sounds normal. At the bottom end of a 24 volt turbine, but normal. A 24 volt turbine should see 60+ at times.
Can you use a 12v wind turbine to change a 24v battery bank
Not unless you have 50 mile an hour winds
John, hello from the Bluegrass state. I’ve been watching your video and have ordered the G&E 500W 5 blade turbine. First, thank you for sharing your knowledge and I love your blatant honesty, we’re like minded! Anyway, I’m planning to use the turbine to add redundancy to my 500w solar set up. My location is on top of an open ridge, we have regular wind speeds of about 18 mph, but occasionally with storms they get up to 55-60 mph gusts. My question is this, will 300w of resistors be enough to effectively brake this turbine in such conditions? If not what do you suggest doing to keep from damaging the turbine? Thanks in advance!
No, that level of power I'd go to 400 watts load and a 60 amp SSR
Gday John (from Australia), im after your opinion on sizing a suitable turbine. My average wind speeds seem to vary from 14 to 25mph, the location isnt ideal with nearby building and some trees, but i need to get power into my battery bank before it gets damaged, its been dormant for some time now. I was given 52, 2v 1000ah batteries, currently in a bank of 32v (for an old farm lighting plant) and two banks of 24v. (I can change to any configuration). These are big suckers, each weighs about the 70kg (whats that 150 lbs?) I havent bought any inverters yet, so thought some research on appropriate voltage and charging would be wise first. Your thoughts on size and voltage of wind turbine? Cheers, Chris
Go with a 48 volt 800 watt turbine th-cam.com/video/ilN9604y4fg/w-d-xo.html (link to it below that video) and in Australia the 3 blade will work perfect almost anywhere. Using a 100 amp 48 volt slave battery you can charge it from the 48v turbine, then from it to any voltage you like with a solar controller fed by the 48 volt slave battery with a MPPT controller that's programmable to stop charge or start charge at a voltage setting of on at 46 off at 40 low side.
If you want drawings and details on how that works just ask, it may take days to answer but I normally do. olympicpowercontrols@yahoo.com
@@JOHNDANIEL1 will send an email. Many thanks for replying..
Hello from Canada John, I will soon receive the 500 watt 5 blades 24 volt wind turbine for my stationary rv 12 volt system, what do you think of mppt wind / solar hybrid regulators with dump load, would that be a good idea to take advantage of the extra occational voltage by integrating this type of mppt regulator but only on the wind side of my installation, your expertise is really appreciated, thank you.
Yes, but be sure to get one rated at no less than 800 peak wind watts/600 solar capable for that turbine. On the same link below the video for the turbine will get you some examples if you scroll down once on the AliExpress. The best ones have the blue labels on them. But never run over 75% of their solar rating in panels to the dual function. Too much mosfet heat will build up.
@@JOHNDANIEL1 Thank you for your answer, I did not find the ones with the blue labels in your links but I found the green one with an external dump load in your suggested links, I will use this thing only for the wins side of my installation since I already have an Epever 4510 powered by 2x235 watts connected in series for the solar side, the wind turbine G&E 500 watts 24 volts 5 blades arrived today, what a beast, I will order the hybrid mppt regulator tomorrow and in the next weeks I will finalize my installation at the camp, thank you for your suggestions and continue your work, your expertise is important for a lot of people.
I would like to know the average rpm of the wind turbine say in a 10 mph wind. 500 rpm or would it be more like 2500 rpm. If batteries are being charged
375 to 500 rpms at 8 to 12 mph
Thank you. We have land near showlow AZ will be building off grid with 8000 watts solar and 1 or2 wind turbine to keep batteries up at night .average wind is 5-15 mph but I've been checking weather reports and I think it is more like 4-7 thanks again for the info
@John Daniel:
First of all, thanks for all the great videos. They really helped!
And I have a question:
If I would use an MPPT booster (with a cut-in charge voltage at ~6V), wouldn't that also solve the low wind problem with a 12V turbine?
And I was also wondering:
When using a 24V/48V turbine on a 12V battery array: push it through a rectifier with ripple filter, then a 12V MPPT solar charger (which many times can easily handle up to 100V input). Wouldn't that also be an option? I'd love to hear your opinion on this.
Depends on the MPPT brand, some fail to react until the input is somewhat constant. Those cheap 800 watt wind/400w solar mppt controllers work well though.
Hi mr daniel,
I have low wind speed and also would like to have a smallest wind turbine and almost as good as high volt hurricane. It there any other smaller in size ..
Yes, but for a proper turbine, I'd need to know what voltage of battery system are you attempting to install?
@@JOHNDANIEL1 12v or 24v. Thanks daniel😀
@@tortoisevlog3380 I would suggest the $315 of the 24 volt model GE-500/600 with the low wind blades bit.ly/2LCRWnd . Its proven to give you constant results in low wind areas when installed in good clear air.
I have been watching your videos and thought this might be a place a novice such as myself could get a real tried and true answer as opposed to an opinion (since I don't want to burn my equipment up based on an opinion). I have a solar setup consisting of a Bluetti EB150 and two 100 watt solar panels (the Bluetti is one of those all in one units consisting of lithium batteries, charge controller and inverter). Solar, no problem. Connect the negative and positive to the charge lead, plug it in and you are charging. My question is, will the power coming from the wind controller be just as simple? That is, could I hook the negative and the positive from the wind controller to a charge lead and plug it into the Bluetti (which has a built in charge controller) and charge it? I have seen in your videos that you should connect to the battery first before making your other connections for wind turbines (if I remember correctly). Perhaps that would be an issue or perhaps something else might not work. I am hoping to start out with a cheap offshore unit just to get my feet wet. Any answers will be appreciated.
The Bluetti is a easy way to start yourself on learning the skills to grow it bigger, but not for a solution to actual needs.
@@JOHNDANIEL1 Yes it does work for my current needs but I am looking to learn more and build my own systems. Problem is, it is hard to get answers to specific problems. I've done my share of learning from my mistakes but I've found over the years that it is also good, perhaps better, to learn from others mistakes. That is why I inquired as to the nature of the power coming from the turbines controller. Still hopeful that someone will have an answer for me while I continue to research.
Wind turbines and Lithium charge control styles like the Bluetti has will struggle or get damaged by the high surge outputs that are likely with a wind turbine. Wind storms on a 500 watt turbing like I use can push over 65 amps/ 800 watts into a BMS ( Battery Charge Controller for Lithium) which will burn it up. Solar is a preset max input the BMS can handle. You CAN though using some lead acid trickery and a 24 volt small turbine do some wind to Bluetti Magic! We done this with 2 of the Bluetti units, biggest ones they had, 2 cheap Walmart RV batteries wired to 24 volt, 400 watts solar and a 300 watt turbine wired to 24 volts and its still working today in a mine claim in Riggins Idaho today. By Using the 2 WalMart Type 29DC batteries to accept the 30 to 32 volt incoming charge they then put the power into the solar ports on the bluetti combos through 2 cheap PWM solar controllers 24 volt in -12 volt out and he has a set up working and able to pull one off to take into the mining adits and digs.
@@JOHNDANIEL1 Thanks a lot for that info! I really do appreciate you taking the time to impart your experiences and knowledge on the subject. At first I was thinking, what the heck, DC from solar should be the same as DC from wind. But then my experiences (read "age" here) told me to remember that nothing is ever as simple as it looks. I'll keep studying up on the subject and thanks again.
What if you have 3 days high wind will it kill the system.48v wind turbine on 24v system
Not if you divert excess to load resistors.
I am dumb can you help me? After rectifier do I connect straight to batteries? Is this safe? How do I made this safe?
From Rectifier you go to Battery, then with a diversion controller installed to prevent over charge
@@JOHNDANIEL1 is it really that simple?
@@premedwho3848 Yes, th-cam.com/video/kB9a_R7KXFg/w-d-xo.html
Mi wind is between 8 to 16 miles an hour average so I have a hurricane vector 24 volt 1000 watt using a book out between 250 to 550 watt wen I get 20 to 30 mile an hour winds I have seen it push away 1500 watt
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Thanks for info.. where are you located?
4250 feet elevation in the southern high desert of Idaho.
Glad you contacted me, I live in ND. Work in DC. & NY. on some wind projects. Next should be interesting 2021. Like to keep in contact with u. Thanks. Inventor.
@@rolandmousaa3110 I like a term like Inventor-Libertarian-Hater of Grubberment!
Want some *DONE THAT BEEN THERE FACTS!* For many years I built the huge concrete bases for mega watt wind turbines from Texas to Washington State. The funny thing hidden by the media, the democrat party, Al Gore ( from his 400 gallon a hour jet plane) is both wind and solar installs is over 80% of the people, businesses and land owners installing it are in RED states, not blue ones. I have seen the inside of court rooms in California, Illinois, Maryland and Oregon as a professional Impact witness on numerous suits for construction projects when Blue State jobs ( mostly California, Oregon, Illinois and Washington) where the contractors got sued by leftist, democrats, and big hollywood money to stop wind and solar contracts. We even got sued by Ted Turner who made CNN in Montana to stop projects there.
From 2006 to 2012 when I did it, In Texas-Oklahoma-Kansas (Referred to as Backwards ass Red States by the media ) a Wind Farm unit price and time got built on average 22 days per GE 1.5 megawatt or 20 days per 1.36 Megawatt Siemens unit. Cost was $381,000 average. In California a per unit average was 154 days per GE 1.5 megawatt or 135 days per 1.36 Megawatt Siemens unit with a average cost of $1,708,000 each and you don't even want to build on in Washington or Oregon unless your immortal and can live long enough to get it done! On big solar arrays, mega watt scale, Between Private and Commercial the per capita in red states of output is over 330% more than that of the Blue States. Again, leftist suing to stop the UGLY jobs.
**Thoughts to ponder - If you are like Barack Obama, and you stole 64 billion dollars for the global warming oceans rising hoax, would you have bought a 16 million dollar mansion on the beach from your $425,000 a year salary as president - He did!........ Hmmm
@@JOHNDANIEL1 nobama isn't even an American. Everyone in kenya knows he was born in kenya... only the libtards in America are stupid enough to believe he was born here. When I lived in Romania I went into the kenyan parliamentary website and downloaded part of their Parliamentary record where they clearly stated multiple times he's a kenyan, born in kenya and they claim the reason America elected a kenyan as our President is because America is "all inclusive". I tried to access it again after I came back to the states, but you can't access it from America. It's blocked to America. I still have a copy of it if you'd like to see it. Law Enforcement investigated it and proved that the certificate of live birth that he provided and claimed was his was a computer generated fake. They showed on video how they took it apart and it couldn't have been taken apart like that if it was real. nobama's lawyers admitted in court that it was fake and they admitted he wasn't born in the US, but they claim he was elected by the people so he was President. Truth is... he's just an illegal alien usurper who was put in office by the libtards and muslims. That's why he helped to kill Qaddafi... because Qaddafi stated publicly in a speech that nobama was a muslim plant helped by the libtards to get into our white house. He was brought into the US by his parents and was never naturalized so he's still an illegal alien. There's no record of him ever having been brought to the US legally. He even stated himself, in the forward he wrote for one of his books, that he was born in kenya and raised in Hawaii and Indonesia.
Hi john
I bougth a 1200w low wind rated 11 blade from hydrogenappliance 24v for my lifepo4 battery bank voltage of batt is 26 to 29volt and my turbine peoduce nothing... sometime i see 60w and less i live in city on a 30 foot dmx tour and hydrogene dont reply much my email about my problem
Im using 3 x 16gauge extension cord like in your video can it be the low input ? Should i out 12/3 or 10/3 cord instead?
DO not use the multiple blade set up, they wind wall and prevent high RPM. Get a 5 blade KT set and use. As for wiring, your fine as long as your not over 60 or 70 feet using the 16/3 x 3 set up. ebay.to/3bLO267
im 80 foot, so i should put 12\3 u should be ok ?
@@JOHNDANIEL1 12/3 should i be ok or i need 10/3 ??
@@benoito8753 10/3 definitely recommended to stop any losses, and the 5 set KT blades.
how can i make this work? 24 volt turbine, inverter 2,000, 24 volt marine battery . on a 18 foot pole. have it on a 35 fuse, 50 breacker
Forgot/ Maybe I JUST need 500.mAh or less
Pma alt= 200w. Breeze= 1m/s
Vwat WILL be maglev- magnético
SHOULD. I use a controlar BEFORE THE puré sine wave psw converter?
thanks john I new there had to be a way to do that I got low wind here so I made a actual flux turbine with a six blades with a 6'6''3/4dim.and put 40'in the air it puts out 12.3v @60rpm & could you make a video on how to set those meters like yours I lost the instructions for mine keep up the good the work nice videos
Which meters? I have so many types.
the three blue lighted ones you have chaos & the other ones on that black plate to the right of your controllers on corner wall
@@thomasmoore4576 Yes, I can do a video on that, many do not get any instructions and the basis is confusing to most.
bayite DC 6.5-100V 0-100A amzn.to/3bO8cMw
@@JOHNDANIEL1 that is the one don't know what it should be set at. the top two numbers left & right for 12v system
But if you use ADC to DC powerpack 48 V wind turbine on a 12 V system
Hi
Has anyone tried using a roof ventilator as a vawt ?
Seem a few spinnng on a roof today,
It seems obvious , so there must be a reason they are not used ?
Any thoughts ?
If you can get a 52" diameter 28" tall Commercial warehouse size from Graingers, you may have a option. But on a residential size you can get 5 watts power from them using about $50 in parts. 5 watts is same as distance wire loss to try and use it that way. We did do a embedded magnet model from a auction that was able to hit 122 watts in 20 mph. But the bearing arrangement is poor.
Јоhn Daniel
Thanks JD
Your videos have been really helpful
👍 = there is nothing more to say! Everything perfect!
I am at it over 12 hours a day 7 days a week. Hoped I could take a brake soon. Then they hit us with this china viral fun to deal with now. Stay safe and live well.
Hi John.
I have some questions I wish you have time to answer them.
1: You have wind turbines are connected to 12v battery system, and they make make good amps as you have shown in some of your videos, so if you connect same wind turbines to 24v battery system, I want to know the amps will be the same or will drop to half.
2: In this video you said we can use 24v wind turbine with 12v battery system, I want to know is there any difference between 12 & 24 wind turbines AC output or the output is the same.
3: last question I want to install a 800w wind turbine on (one) 12v battery and I will use charge controller instead of rectifier is that will damage my battery.
The windings in the generator are heavier for 12 volt use, 16 AWG typically. A 24 volt is 21 AWG and a 48 volt is 27 AWG. The reason you can use a 24 or even a 48 volt on a 12 volt battery is that it's making higher volts, the battery hold the volts down as it absorbs it in that scenario. Using a 800 watt turbine with the original controller is fine, just be sure you have at least 240 Amp Hour of battery. Such a turbine on a small amp amount of battery will over charge it too often, drying out the electrolyte in it.
@@JOHNDANIEL1 so the 800w turbine if I want to buy it is better to be 24v.
@@bahaalsakkaf7853 If you have low winds, get the 24 volt but if your wind speeds are over 5 ms or 12 kph then go with the 12 v
@@JOHNDANIEL1 I was watching your videos and you just reply, you explain everything in great details.
OK thanks I'll will take wind speed in consideration.
@@JOHNDANIEL1
Hi John,
I was in contact with G&E store in Aliexpress, I asked them for the rated current for their 800w wind turbine, and the said it's 38A.
They explain why it 38A not higher by this equation: 800/12/1.732=38A.
Is that correct.
Your 800w makes over 60A, why their turbine make half of that.
What if I have 48 v system and low wind area.
Same needs at battery Bank.
Hi John. G&E now lists a 1KW wind turbine. It says that they have sold 1. You didn't happen to by it did you ? I really enjoy your videos. You make me want to buy a wind turbine. But I live in a high rise apartment building. :-(
Jump and run to the upper hill country in Texas! See you there!
Thanks for making it so even I could understand it.
my thought is bad weather u have wind. bad weather is when power goes out. solar for good days but also have wind turbine for bad days. it may not work every day but there when u really need it.
Never depend on Wind or Solar, but create a condition to never be forced to depend on industry or Grubberment!
*Quote* from this fun famous Idaho Hillbilly Poky DoRight in 2003
LOL!
@@JOHNDANIEL1 when there is no hot water, elec. , shitter not working in a natural disaster you can depend on the man getting blamed for it by the wife :)
why cant charge controlers save low wind speed energy in a capacitor and pulse the energy to the battery?
They can, but the actual wattage capacity in stored form is nearly nothing unless you have a few thousand of them.
Can you please contact me. My father needs some help getting those wind turbines.
Thanks John. Wonderful content.
I'm still waiting for you to put yours up
Video being finished today on the HWP750
Excellent explanation!
Gday from Australia .... are u sure missuri wind and solar havnt set up shop here in Australia .....carnt find a decent turbine here in auz either... all a bunch of home made shit people asking around 4k for .... dam ive made a few that look similar outta scrap ... anyway champ i ended up taking your advice and buying one through B A C creations ... its not here yet i do hopes it works well,, anyway mr Daniel,,, good vids man
Outstanding
Hi, I am interested with your tutorial.Do you have any email?
Or whatapps?
Thank you for your kind attention.
Best Regards,
Irwanto
olympicpowercontrols@yahoo.com
48 вольт сила,th-cam.com/video/YLABrmAmFUw/w-d-xo.html
Да Олег, использование более высокого напряжения имело преимущество, но будьте осторожны, не превышайте в 6 раз максимальное сопротивление пластины батареи или вызовет неконтролируемую продувку водородом.
Cool!
tnx :)
If you don't have any wind then do NOT buy a Wind Turbine.
De pinga!
Si
So what is the best low wind low noise turbine/windmill?
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Just checked my new wind turbine 12 volt... And apparently... Not making much voltage at all.
Clearly I should have done some more research before I bought it, beside being Chinese crap, it is 12 volt for low wind - clearly a fail fail situation, although it looks fine turning a little here and there :P
I put a small battery 3.7 volt unto it, not sure yet if it has charged it - but I thought, why not try it out. Maybe I should check it out now reminding me about it, I know the battery was totally flat, although I do not expect anything. But lets go and see.
Well the good news is, the battery has not exploded at least.... It does actually have a charge... although 3.43 volts.... Well at least it is not dead.... but.... 4.2 is a fully charged battery :/
3.7 volt battery so... well I can put it on again and let it sit for some more weeks but clearly it can't even do a small thing like this. Although seeing how it the turbine struggles to get to 4 Voltage I guess it does not get up to the charging level much even with this small battery.
Thanks
4 voltage on a 12 volt turbine... Well I'll keep a further eye on it but clearly it does not look good.
Okay... I bought the wrong thing clearly.
Hello. Great video. The wind in my area is not consistent. Sometimes It is 40 milles our but most of the time is only 10 miles hour or less. I was thinking about replacing the wind turbine Blades with bigger ones so the wind turbine would get more wind. The problem I see it's during those very windy days, would the generator be able to brake the wind turbine? I am not thinking about doubling the size of the Blades, only a little bit bigger? What do you think? Many thanks