I reeeeaally enjoy you doing these videos. It's quite interesting to see the differences in damage the classes can do in full burst. And even though madness is better - Lightning wins purely on looks ;)
My rotation is a bit different try this Reck&polarity ->death brand->affliction-> forces speed->force leech->creeping terror->force lightning×2->demolish->affliction->shock Without reck&polarity 356k 386k 334k 332k With reck&polarity 529k 453k 400k 454k This is assuming we have the same skill tree. For some reason couldn't get shock to crit..except for the 529k was the only one after many tries...all on the practice dummy.
Hmm, seems we are talking about different things. My rotation is meant to do the maximum damage in under 4 seconds. Yours takes around 10? Also, why force lightning x2?
What about using Shock in Lightning? With the utility, if you can apply a slow, the second hit is equal to a Crushing Darkness buffed Shock. You lose 25% DR, but the extra burst is higher than Lightning flash. Could go something like hard casted HO (root for 0.5) > Shock > TB > HO. Using Shock later would make timing it inside Crushing Darkness way harder. And for sure, it relies on the enemy not having a slow immunity up.
@@ivano1337 - 3s 20% move speed - If a target is snared (root or slow), a second Shock hit equal to a Crushing Darkness Shock hit which makes Shock deal more damage than Lightning Flash + Forked Lightning even without Crushing Darkness - 8s cooldown The extra move speed is not negligible. Especially considering the snares Lightning has. I guess I prefer it because there is lower skill ceiling to using it well. 25% DR for 6s needs to negate a burst window or it's wasted utility. Extra burst, extra DPS and extra move speed is almost always useful. And it can be used for every burst window, whether you have Crushing Darkness up or not. And Lightning Flash is still available to extend burst damage for one more GCD. Not trying to be annoying, I've been trying it out lately and I wonder if it's as good as I think it is. Like how often would 25% DR allow you to survive vs having more damage to just kill your opponent first.
Thanks, i appreciate how you to took time to create those images with ability icons. Anyway regardless of the test results, madness was always better option than lightning. The only real reason to play lightning are those damn sick ability animations :D Next: Rage vs Skank immortal
Thanks for the nice comment! Yeah lightning is fun, but it sure draws a lot of attention. Skank vs Rage is interesting. After the nerfs, I think I know who will win though 😊
@@ivano1337Suggestion: You could make healer burst comparison, which healer spec can heal single target best in 4-6 sec window. I know its not your cup of coffee. Maybe you could invite Tiba on the scene :-)
Can you do a video for Madness PvE? Everything is PvP, outdated, or a novels worth of required reading. I just want to know how to make the number go up on ops and fp bosses.
You mean the vertical quick bar? That doesn't trigger anything, it just's another quick bar with the most important abilities, so I can see the cooldowns easier. I have a guide on it here: th-cam.com/video/djZJy4zlhX0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=-oDcrfHkdlxb9t38&t=635
I don't really want to get into this completely but, there was a reason halted offense was nerfed. Them buffing it again was a bad move imo but it was the lazy way to do so. The damage spread on lightning is awkward, for example force speed amp is better used on halted as halted has a higher range it can hit versus thundering. When also playing lightning, shock plays a large role and a huge portion of your damage overall when used properly, do note the talent that makes project/shock better but you have to sacrifice cloud mind for it which is usually an instant nonstarter for some. Don't sleep on Power of the Force/Halted offense, it goes through merc reflect and I was hitting 115k's with it back in 328's pre it getting nerfed. I haven't really bothered to play lightning much since nor with this ability as I am an AoE enjoyer on classes with good AoE, it feels taboo to me to play dot explosion/single target on notoriously known aoe specs. With knowing that you guys can squeeze a bit more out of your windows and have a little bit of a better understanding on lightning but at the end of the day remember classes have defensives and they vary. For example hitting a dot DR spec immediately nerfs plague master and hitting a heavy armor target immediately nerfs halted. You have different targets you want to aim for to hit better bursts and targetting generally will net in the most damage difference gain. They're both good.
Yeah halted pre nerf was fun. Also that bug with unlimited range, interrupt hypergate cap from the shelter 😂 But now it can hit 100k again on the dummy, which is good. Tbh I never tried the shock talent. Does it make shock worth it outside of crushing darkness?
Anytime they're slowed and there's no other high priority move outside of filler available it becomes best. @@ivano1337 It can hit over 100k on actual players though, running it with EC can be a lot of fun once you've adjusted to lining speed with halted along with other amps.
interesting you mentioned shock on Ling sorc. I wonder if it buffed Shock talent on slow + Crushing Darkness buff Shock + Ticking Force Time Bomb tactical can do any good dps.
Am I right in thinking that if you're using Plaguemaster to finish off your dots, you wouldn't use Tempest of Rho as your tactical (since the dots ticking are where the extra damage comes from)? And if so, which tactical do you use in Rho's stead?
No, you still use Tempest of Rho. After finishing off your dots, you just reapply them. You can see my exact build here: th-cam.com/video/Wnq1kn95_GU/w-d-xo.html
I might do one, yeah. Until then, I have a guide for lightning sorc. The build is the same just the names of abilities are different but you can use parsley to translate: parsely.io/parser/abilities/sage
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I reeeeaally enjoy you doing these videos. It's quite interesting to see the differences in damage the classes can do in full burst.
And even though madness is better - Lightning wins purely on looks ;)
Lighting have passive damage, that Ivano doesn't count here - it burns your eyes.
Glad you like them! More to come :)
- 50 FPS for everyone in the game!
Ty for this .been thinkimg how to use plague master correctly
So basically madness is superior in every regard
Almost, but Lightning goes bzzzzzzz!
NO !!!
My rotation is a bit different try this
Reck&polarity ->death brand->affliction-> forces speed->force leech->creeping terror->force lightning×2->demolish->affliction->shock
Without reck&polarity
356k 386k 334k 332k
With reck&polarity
529k 453k 400k 454k
This is assuming we have the same skill tree. For some reason couldn't get shock to crit..except for the 529k was the only one after many tries...all on the practice dummy.
Hmm, seems we are talking about different things. My rotation is meant to do the maximum damage in under 4 seconds. Yours takes around 10? Also, why force lightning x2?
@@ivano1337 just for damage. Also gives cd a chance to end on other skills
R u hard casting demolish with this roto...?
What about using Shock in Lightning? With the utility, if you can apply a slow, the second hit is equal to a Crushing Darkness buffed Shock. You lose 25% DR, but the extra burst is higher than Lightning flash. Could go something like hard casted HO (root for 0.5) > Shock > TB > HO. Using Shock later would make timing it inside Crushing Darkness way harder. And for sure, it relies on the enemy not having a slow immunity up.
Yeah might be better on the dummy but then you're giving up the 25% DR for a small gain in burst and idk if I would make that trade in an actual match
@@ivano1337
- 3s 20% move speed
- If a target is snared (root or slow), a second Shock hit equal to a Crushing Darkness Shock hit which makes Shock deal more damage than Lightning Flash + Forked Lightning even without Crushing Darkness
- 8s cooldown
The extra move speed is not negligible. Especially considering the snares Lightning has.
I guess I prefer it because there is lower skill ceiling to using it well. 25% DR for 6s needs to negate a burst window or it's wasted utility. Extra burst, extra DPS and extra move speed is almost always useful. And it can be used for every burst window, whether you have Crushing Darkness up or not. And Lightning Flash is still available to extend burst damage for one more GCD.
Not trying to be annoying, I've been trying it out lately and I wonder if it's as good as I think it is. Like how often would 25% DR allow you to survive vs having more damage to just kill your opponent first.
Want more of these episodes !
Ok :) Which classes would like me to compare?
@@ivano1337 Deception vs Hatred easily !
@@ofensatul you think hatred can win?!
@@ivano1337 in stats maybe not in a real 1v1 :))
Thanks, i appreciate how you to took time to create those images with ability icons. Anyway regardless of the test results, madness was always better option than lightning. The only real reason to play lightning are those damn sick ability animations :D
Next: Rage vs Skank immortal
Thanks for the nice comment! Yeah lightning is fun, but it sure draws a lot of attention.
Skank vs Rage is interesting. After the nerfs, I think I know who will win though 😊
@@ivano1337Suggestion: You could make healer burst comparison, which healer spec can heal single target best in 4-6 sec window. I know its not your cup of coffee. Maybe you could invite Tiba on the scene :-)
Can you do a video for Madness PvE? Everything is PvP, outdated, or a novels worth of required reading. I just want to know how to make the number go up on ops and fp bosses.
Yeah I'm planning to do a few PVE guides. Can do Madness for you, sure. Dont forget to sub so you don't miss it 😎
Thank You!
I tried it your way.
336k 346k 384k.
Couldn't get death brand to crit and when it did 1 or 2 others didnt crit which was usually demolish
Those are good numbers. Took me 2h to get everything to crit 😅
@@ivano1337 you're a better jedi than me i dont have that patience
Ty for the tips !!!
Thanks for watching 👍🏻
Do you have a button that triggers the rotation ? im talking about the one in the middle of health bars a little upper. How can i get it ?
You mean the vertical quick bar? That doesn't trigger anything, it just's another quick bar with the most important abilities, so I can see the cooldowns easier. I have a guide on it here: th-cam.com/video/djZJy4zlhX0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=-oDcrfHkdlxb9t38&t=635
I don't really want to get into this completely but, there was a reason halted offense was nerfed. Them buffing it again was a bad move imo but it was the lazy way to do so. The damage spread on lightning is awkward, for example force speed amp is better used on halted as halted has a higher range it can hit versus thundering. When also playing lightning, shock plays a large role and a huge portion of your damage overall when used properly, do note the talent that makes project/shock better but you have to sacrifice cloud mind for it which is usually an instant nonstarter for some. Don't sleep on Power of the Force/Halted offense, it goes through merc reflect and I was hitting 115k's with it back in 328's pre it getting nerfed.
I haven't really bothered to play lightning much since nor with this ability as I am an AoE enjoyer on classes with good AoE, it feels taboo to me to play dot explosion/single target on notoriously known aoe specs.
With knowing that you guys can squeeze a bit more out of your windows and have a little bit of a better understanding on lightning but at the end of the day remember classes have defensives and they vary. For example hitting a dot DR spec immediately nerfs plague master and hitting a heavy armor target immediately nerfs halted. You have different targets you want to aim for to hit better bursts and targetting generally will net in the most damage difference gain. They're both good.
Yeah halted pre nerf was fun. Also that bug with unlimited range, interrupt hypergate cap from the shelter 😂 But now it can hit 100k again on the dummy, which is good.
Tbh I never tried the shock talent. Does it make shock worth it outside of crushing darkness?
Anytime they're slowed and there's no other high priority move outside of filler available it becomes best. @@ivano1337
It can hit over 100k on actual players though, running it with EC can be a lot of fun once you've adjusted to lining speed with halted along with other amps.
interesting you mentioned shock on Ling sorc. I wonder if it buffed Shock talent on slow + Crushing Darkness buff Shock + Ticking Force Time Bomb tactical can do any good dps.
Am I right in thinking that if you're using Plaguemaster to finish off your dots, you wouldn't use Tempest of Rho as your tactical (since the dots ticking are where the extra damage comes from)? And if so, which tactical do you use in Rho's stead?
No, you still use Tempest of Rho. After finishing off your dots, you just reapply them. You can see my exact build here: th-cam.com/video/Wnq1kn95_GU/w-d-xo.html
@@ivano1337 You the man, Ivan. Thank you.
Anytime. Appreciate it! 😊
Can you do sage? Would love a updated build. I cannot find a video anywhere for sage 😢
I might do one, yeah. Until then, I have a guide for lightning sorc. The build is the same just the names of abilities are different but you can use parsley to translate: parsely.io/parser/abilities/sage
Lightning guide: th-cam.com/video/HqdJK1EUu0o/w-d-xo.html
I made a Balance Sage guide for you. Check it out: th-cam.com/video/XBOMlJxfAVQ/w-d-xo.html
What's the rotation for Sage Balance?
You can translate using this list parsely.io/parser/abilities/sage
the APM must be really smooth to get that under 3 sec
Under 4, but yeah need fast fingers for lightning
What are you using on your head slot?
You mean the outfit? This: swtorista.com/torfashion/torfashion-armor.php?id=2772
@@ivano1337 THANK YOUUUUUUUUUUU
@@ivano1337 sorry to disturb u, man. How does one acquire it?
I think it's a reward from a previous pvp season. Not sure tbh if you can still get it :/@@jpCps01
Need the ability list too
What do you mean?
@ivano1337 was it the same set up for both light builds? Or did I miss that in the video
Yeah, same setup only changed the tactical
Wanna see jug DD if it's possible
Rage vs Vengeance?