The WORST frequency response I have ever seen! 3 IEMs under $40

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  • @TWidXugA
    @TWidXugA ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Khan should be the bassiest. Probably a faulty unit, but would be interesting to check it for channel imbalance.

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Both channels aligned and both therefore had the same response. I also went back and remeasured a different time. Both sets of measurements included using multiple tips and multiple insertions to try to "fix" the measurements. What I showed here is an average of all the measurements (across both channels), but is indicative of all of them

  • @insurrectionindustries1706
    @insurrectionindustries1706 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Great video! Something that is really key about cheap IEMs is that it doesn’t allow manufacturing control and therefore unit to unit variation will be extreme. This includes left to right and pair to pair. That is actually a significant part of the expense of expensive headphones when individual unit testing allows manufacturers to mitigate this variation with matching. Much like computer processors, they are typically made on the same line but units that have core failures are simply marketed as lower end processors and those cores are disabled.

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Great points! Strangely, both channels matched this FR so a driver or wiring issue seems unlikely.

    • @insurrectionindustries1706
      @insurrectionindustries1706 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That’s great and quite impressive!

  • @miou722
    @miou722 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    The Frequency response of Khan does look faulty to me. Probably the bass DD is not working properly.

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Perhaps. It's a very weird graph and doesn't match the marketing at all

  • @hartyewh1
    @hartyewh1 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The Cadenza is a lovely upgrade from the popular $20 options. Much smoother tuning, but I at least needed to change the tips to get a seal and bass. Wan'er is the best allrounder in it's price class I've heard as it has bass and specifically mid-bass.

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  ปีที่แล้ว

      Both of those are excellent. Glad you got to try both for yourself

    • @Hijynx87
      @Hijynx87 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I almost never use stock tips, kiwi ears has decent red/gray tips though. I put azla max on mine.

  • @edwinchan5391
    @edwinchan5391 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Initially I found Cadenza could sound a bit too forward in certain parts of higher frequencies, but once I switched to JVC Spiral Dots, they became less intense and smoother, though at expense of lesser bass too. But it's not an issue for me since I rather prefer a less peaky sound.

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Changing tips can have such a big impact! Glad you found the right balance for your ears 🙂

    • @Bring_On_The_Bass
      @Bring_On_The_Bass ปีที่แล้ว

      I use the jvc spiral dots too and it balances out my v shaped sony ier z1r

  • @nadtz
    @nadtz ปีที่แล้ว +3

    As a BL-03 owner for a few years now who got tips/fit sorted and who really enjoys them this perfectly answered whether I wanted to bother trying another IEM. Think I'll just upgrade the cable and keep enjoying what I have.

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yep, it's still a brilliant IEM. Enjoy!

    • @MD-gq4xl
      @MD-gq4xl ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Which tips did you end up using? I've never been able to find any that work for me...

    • @nadtz
      @nadtz ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@MD-gq4xl Dekoni bulletz I believe they are called.

    • @lavatr8322
      @lavatr8322 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      BL-03 was my very first IEM ... and i Love it , its briliant my cat Chewed the cable
      Im looking at Kiwi cadenza now

  • @Grrrr3FKAGrrrrGrrrrGrrrr
    @Grrrr3FKAGrrrrGrrrrGrrrr ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I was confused by the frequency response graph showing the Cadenza up against the BL-03. I found the Cadenza to have more bass than the BL-03. I thought maybe there was something wrong with the tips I was using on the Blon? The supplied tips didn’t give be a seal so I had been using foam tips, on inspection I found that the foam tips were blocking the vent holes, thereby reducing the bass. I’m now using Final Type E tips, they have changed the Blon from an earphone that I thought was only good for acoustic singer-songwriter music to much more of an all rounder. I think both the Cadenza and the BL-03 are great for the price, the Kiwi Ears is more fun and the Blon is more smooth.

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I've noticed a few times lately where a headphone/earphone with less measured bass in the graph actually sounds as bassy or more than one that looks to be bassier in the measurements. This can be due to a couple of factors. Firstly, the decay of the sound (how quickly or slowly the driver stops) can change it. A slower decay will create a perception of more bass by allowing the bass to linger even if the maximum output of bass (dB/mW) is lower. Also, the interaction between the bass, mids and treble is very important because our ears hear the whole frequency range and judge the volume of the various frequencies in relation to the other frequencies in the range. This means that if you take two identical 'phones, but one of them is given a treble spike, the one without the treble spike will sound bassier.
      Then of course there's tip choice, insertion depth, etc.

  • @MechFrankaTLieu
    @MechFrankaTLieu ปีที่แล้ว +4

    the important part is that for their price , they are all performing at a level that even a few years back, would cost way way way more , and other than the Khan , all of the mentioned performed well above and beyond a threshold where one can term High Fidelity and Audiophile , and in the end its down to personal preference both in Music genre , Sonic performance , and of course ergonomics and just as all IEM goes , the tip play a very important part and one should really experiment. The other point worth of noting is scalability , how do they scale with different source , power , balance vs single ended etc etc ....

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That's a great point about their performance at the price compared to a few years ago. As for scalability, etc. balanced vs single ended doesn't matter so much as the quality of the source (i.e. a higher quality SE source will be better than a lower quality balanced source so it's not about the output type). I tend to test with a combination of the Chord Mojo 2 and Chord TT2 as my sources so what I am discussing is essentially the maximum performance of devices like these.

  • @christiharris292
    @christiharris292 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Looks like you got a lemon for the Khan. I've had mine for a few months and it is pretty decent. The bass is quite impressive at this price point. Good review as always

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That was my thinking too, but the fact that both channels match is curious. I'm glad you're enjoying them though as that's all that matters in the end.

  • @blorg8206
    @blorg8206 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    ​I suspect the Khan result may be related to your measurement rig and seal, particularly if you are measuring on the MiniDSP EARS, most measure IEMs on a IEC-711 or similar coupler which it's very easy to get a seal with, it looks like it would be a lot more difficult to get a seal on the EARS. And seal problem is exactly what will kill the bass. If you are getting consistent between the two sides and you say it doesn't exactly sound like the graph it's unlikely to be an issue with the IEM, I suspect it's more likely with the EARS.
    Maybe consider getting a Chinese 711 rig for IEMs, they are inexpensive (

  • @erock81487
    @erock81487 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I just bought the Cadenza on sale - sub $30… seems like a good deal considering the many reviews. Do you have any recommendations for a different cable? (If it’s needed at all) or any tips? I seem to like foam tips more. Maybe it doesn’t matter which foam tips as long as they fit the nozzle? Thank you! Great video once again.

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The choice of tips is very personal because we all have different frequencies that we benefit from having reduced or increased by the choice of tips. As for cables, I don't think there's any major value in changing cables on an IEM at this price point. Better to save that money to buy a higher end IEM or more variety of IEMs.

  • @GadZookz
    @GadZookz ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video, Thanks! I’m really impressed with the Cadenza. Can’t wait to try the Quartet.

  • @fahryst
    @fahryst ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Not faulty, seems alright but your compensation target shows the tuning is different. Khan has a great bass tuck. Also they don't have an even impedance curve so frequency response changes with higher output impedance. Some people use them with impedance adapters.

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  ปีที่แล้ว

      Hmmm... I can't recall which amp I used for the testing. Perhaps it has high output impedance and skewed the FR

    • @fahryst
      @fahryst ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@PassionforSound if you did find them clean and not Particularly bassy, probably you used a low output impedance amp. I think you'd know otherwise :)

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes, I've checked and the Zout of the Phonitor XE (I think that's what I used) is well below 1 ohm

  • @aodhanmorrissey
    @aodhanmorrissey ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I watched this right after a blind ranking from Cronos friends on headphone show put the Cadenzas firmly at the top of everyones list over others than costed 20 times what they did. Always good to see what different people think. I agree I think they look beaut

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yes, they're definitely excellent. Not sure I'd agree with them outperforming much more expensive IEMs, but for the money they are brilliant!

  • @s1lverhand_
    @s1lverhand_ ปีที่แล้ว +3

    i am actually regretting selling khan for project red. I might get the khan once again. there is nothing as good as khan when someone is looking for that car-subwoofer type bass. the only upgrade would be 7hz legato but that's too expensive to make sense for that type of tuning

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's really interesting to hear. Definitely makes me wonder if there was a problem with the pair I was sent

  • @chefsteve8381
    @chefsteve8381 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The best 3 cheapo iem's you need to try that surprised me are the Singot ew100p, Kz zvx and the Tin hifi C2...but the way chi-fi move's that could change tommrow.....

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's like that, isn't it!? I'm probably going to be doing less and less cheap IEM reviews from now on - they don't get anywhere near as much interest as my headphone and components content

  • @TonkyTronicus
    @TonkyTronicus ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So I'm not the only one aware of the bathroom, then. Good to know.

  • @gagandeepsinghbedi8125
    @gagandeepsinghbedi8125 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Heyy, help, currently using 7hz zero and hola, using in 30-70 ratio as i prefer more warm sound iem. Looking to upgrade to either kiwi cardenza or simgot ew200, simgot getting high praise too. Pls suggest.

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  ปีที่แล้ว

      That's tough. The EA2000 is a bit bright at the top end (review coming soon) so it .ight bit suit your tastes. Have you considered the Yanyin Canon II? (I can't recall if I've tried the Cadenza already which is why I haven't addressed that here)

    • @gagandeepsinghbedi8125
      @gagandeepsinghbedi8125 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@PassionforSound heyy, thanks for the help here. I checked yanin canon 2 but its 260 $. Can you please suggest under 50$ for warm sound.

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  ปีที่แล้ว

      Sorry, I thought you were talking about the EA2000 from Simgot which is similar in price to the Canon II.
      The only IEM that jumps to mind is the Tangzu Shimin Li. Very smooth and enjoyable sound.

  • @frederf69
    @frederf69 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    i think the only way to get good sounding IEM's (regardless of price) is to go custom; for fit + don't have to worry about tips ✌🤷‍♂👍

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Customs are definitely great, but they're more expensive, there's no resale value, and if the fit isn't quite right they can be worse (this will depend on the shape and length of your ear canal combined with the skill of the audiologist taking the impressions and then the craftsperson shaping the final shell). Having owned customs in the past (three different pairs) I agree that they can absolutely perform better than Universal's, but they also have their own drawbacks.

  • @neverfindme-fj5ds
    @neverfindme-fj5ds 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hey sir,
    Kiwi cadenza or sigmot EW200, which one is better ???
    Pls reply as soon as possible....

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I haven't tried the EW200 so I can't say - sorry

  • @PraisedAudio
    @PraisedAudio ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Strange that you found the cadenza to be bright, especially with the treble. I find them to be one of the warmer iems I own.

    • @Bushviking
      @Bushviking ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I agree on mine. Not bright at all, extremely flat tuning (which I like). Might be unit-variance?

    • @spamcan9208
      @spamcan9208 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That or human variance. Age among other factors determine how we perceive sound. The older we get the less we can hear high frequencies.

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      My guess is human variance because we all have different treble sensitivities as discussed here: th-cam.com/video/Y41oQTfDWiI/w-d-xo.html

    • @cameleon303
      @cameleon303 ปีที่แล้ว

      They can be a bit bright in the higher register. Violin sound a bit hollow but female vocals are bit more present.

    • @thomasre7276
      @thomasre7276 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      guys never tried kz iems or beyerdynamic headphones

  • @aRc11-11
    @aRc11-11 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Blon is dated. You need too use after market tips, both the Cadenza and Wan'er are special.. for the price.

    • @TonkyTronicus
      @TonkyTronicus ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Oppoty is timeless.

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  ปีที่แล้ว

      LOL. Nice work, Tonky Tron!
      I agree that the BLONs are a bit dated now and yet they still stack up extremely well and lots of people know them as a reference.

    • @aRc11-11
      @aRc11-11 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@PassionforSound They never fit my ears, sound was skewed as a result. Another fun bunny is the Truthear HOLA. Fun, well built and cheap.

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes, the fit is atrocious! I haven't tried the HOLA. So many models out there!

    • @gagandeepsinghbedi8125
      @gagandeepsinghbedi8125 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@aRc11-11Heyy, help, currently using 7hz zero and hola, using in 30-70 ratio as i prefer more warm sound iem. Looking to upgrade to either kiwi cardenza or simgot ew200, simgot getting high praise too. Pls suggest.

  • @1mctous
    @1mctous ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As for the worst measured frequency response, hold my Grado's! I've kept them for their dynamic, neutral midrange.

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes, fair point! The Grados have a certain magic to their sound (depending on the exact model), but the Khan fell a bit short for me.

  • @rodm1949
    @rodm1949 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I went for the Magaosi V3 that you can buy just the IEM without cables which made the price right. I don't know why more companies sell just the IEM without the fluff. "You know you're buying a better cable" just admit it.

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  ปีที่แล้ว

      That's a great point! Drop did this a while back with the Lime Ears Aether R and it made so much sense.

  • @paulosilva8200
    @paulosilva8200 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Was not for me the cadenca. The tone was to think to be realistic. Drums and guitars don't sound like that in reality..

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks for sharing your experiences. I find a lot of IEMs (and some headphones) fall into that trap where the tuning hasn't paid attention to naturality. Of course, the fact that we all hear a little differently could play a part.

    • @paulosilva8200
      @paulosilva8200 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @PassionforSound correct .. I have around 80 iem now, and I modify most of them by placing tuning filters . Most sponge filters because the paper ones get blocked by wax and sweat. I have budgets and expensive iems and I notice very well the quality of drivers and tuning. Love your content, by the way. Best so far in hi-fi reviews . For the csdencs is a hard task if I place high density filters the voice becomes perfect . The lower frequency becomes too bloated. That means the tuning is not great. Because at lower volumes, the bass remains. But the upper treble and upper mids can be perfect. Once you pump the volume, that's frequency becomes shouty and has too much highs. That means the tuning was made for lower volumes. That's why all reviewers listen to different volumes and their options to different. Would be nice to have a reviewer that gives opinions in different volumes. The cadenca at high volumes is drums tone is thin and guitars too because ibwas a music producer before . Sometimes is to do with the driver quality. The simgot for a budget iem has a perfect drum quality that sounds like forstex japonese drivers that you find in mest iem amd then the upper mids and treble are in perfect combinations .

  • @thesonnytackettshow7949
    @thesonnytackettshow7949 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Lovin that Blue 300! Thats my go to live vocal mic. It also is a great vocal mic for female singers.
    Great comparison on these.

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  ปีที่แล้ว

      It's an awesome mic! Glad you liked the content too 🙂

    • @thesonnytackettshow7949
      @thesonnytackettshow7949 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@PassionforSound we use a lot of Blue mics, in the studio and live. The 300 and the 200 are great live or for film work. We use two Blu Kiwis for overhead and quite a few other things. I particularly love the build , asthetics and sound of the 300.
      Another mic I really loved that got overlooked was the EV/Blue Cardinal. I had five of those stolen from my RV. I liked those live too. All the best, Sonny T

  • @HR2635
    @HR2635 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    just hope that people dont think 100% linear IEMs are good for music. As a mixer and producer I can attest that we do NOT mix for linear headphones or speakers. Harmann target is not always the answer but its WAY better than linear headphones. Just so you know. BL03 are some of the worst I ever had. Sloppy messy bass that bleeds like hell into the midrange, and treble that is just not working right.

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thanks for sharing your perspective. I can't remember what graph approach I used in this video, but my approach has always been focussed on a "natural" sounding earphone or headphone, not a linear measuring one so I completely agree.

  • @onepieceatatime
    @onepieceatatime ปีที่แล้ว

    Would you be willing to "review" headphone resistor adapters? I just got an 80-Ohm resister to use with my Hifiman headphones and it's an absolute game-changer. The piercing highs are simply gone. I can imagine this working well with the Meze 109 Pro as well. Best $8 I've spent in audio by far.

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I've tried these before and haven't been much a fan because I felt they degraded the sound quality in addition to altering the frequency response as they're meant to. Of course, it will depend on the exact resistors used so they'll all vary.

    • @onepieceatatime
      @onepieceatatime ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@PassionforSound I only listen to test tones and sine sweeps, so sound quality isn't an issue for me. I might need to branch out!

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  ปีที่แล้ว

      😂

  • @tranner85
    @tranner85 ปีที่แล้ว

    I own the cadenza and waner and I completely agree.
    There are so many other iems in this price range with similar tuning that id be interested to hear your thoughts on. The blon z300, truthear zero red and tkzk ouranos are some of the more recent popular ones.

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm not sure how many more budget IEM reviews I'll be doing because they don't get anywhere near the traffic of headphones, DACs or amps, but we'll see...

    • @KINGNEXUS.
      @KINGNEXUS. 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      What do you think is better for gaming sepacaly for fps games

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It depends so much on what you're wanting from the IEMs when playing FPS games. I still favour a balanced tonality, but others might prefer the Cadenza's slightly brighter sound for emphasising footsteps, etc.

    • @KINGNEXUS.
      @KINGNEXUS. 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@PassionforSound ok thank you ❤️❤️

  • @mishiro6170
    @mishiro6170 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Do you have any IEM recommendations under 100usd with the polar opposite of the wan'er and cadenza? or at least less harsher and more relaxing than those two?
    I have those two and I agree that it can sound harsh or shouty, even sibilant.

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The new Tangzu Princess Chang Le is lovely (very similar to the Zetian Wu which is also great)

  • @wahid-lg1kk
    @wahid-lg1kk 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The Khan comes with a cable that can make anything sound like landfill. Try it with a real cable, mate.

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That's interesting to hear. I tend to only review IEMs and headphones with their stock cables so I won't revisit this, but it's interesting to hear that the cable is potentially a problem.

    • @wahid-lg1kk
      @wahid-lg1kk 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@PassionforSound Usually you need a pretty good ear for both noise at below 0.5% quantities, and tonality/ timbre, to tell the difference between one cable and the next, but with these, a dead ardvaark could spot it instantly..I tried the cable on about six different sets that I use all the time, and they all sounded like $3 gas station specials on that cable.

  • @Matias_Pavic
    @Matias_Pavic ปีที่แล้ว +1

    At this point we'll need a new video soon. New (and better) $40 contenders have launched lately 😅

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes. I'm likely going to move away from budget IEMs though because the videos never perform well compared to headphones, DACs and amps.

    • @Matias_Pavic
      @Matias_Pavic ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@PassionforSound that's sad to read, those are the ones I enjoy de most

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yeah, it's not that I don't want to do them, but they just don't give me a return on the amount of time they take to produce ☹️

  • @fuad000100
    @fuad000100 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    They're pretty outdated now, given how fast the ChiFi market evolves. I think you should try the newer KZ IEMs like the ZVX, D-fi, and the newest planar PR2. As always, great video!

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for the suggestions, Fuad, but I'm likely going to move away from budget IEM reviews because they don't perform well compared to headphones, DACs and amps

  • @dangerzone007
    @dangerzone007 ปีที่แล้ว

    You can get the idea of frequency response and tonal balance if you use EQ

  • @darrellross8609
    @darrellross8609 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    KZ ZS10 Pro still a go to.

    • @spamcan9208
      @spamcan9208 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      So bummed mine were duds (no bass) from the time period they were going through that controversy but I didn't know any better until it was too late.

    • @darrellross8609
      @darrellross8609 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@spamcan9208 got mine when they first came out. Good luck in the future. I've been burned worse, $$$$!

  • @Hijynx87
    @Hijynx87 ปีที่แล้ว

    The wan’er cable …burn it with fire!

  • @TouzeenHussain
    @TouzeenHussain ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think you have a Lemon

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  ปีที่แล้ว

      It does look that way, but both channels were identical which seems strange

  • @greccoox
    @greccoox ปีที่แล้ว

    I highly you see the channel Dan's Audio Reviews cause with his tests you see that does not matter the frequency response as long you want something for that specific use case. But of course, cheap means cheap cable and maybe channel imbalance, but I recommend his channel. To be honest one of the only reviewers that just dont sit and talk like lazy and put work to give a idea how x y z sound.

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      This sounds like a gently delivered insult, but I'm not sure if that's how you intended it.
      I completely agree that frequency response is not the whole story and that's why I didn't just show the graphs, but instead explained how each IEM sounds and what the benefits and drawbacks of each one are. I'm not sure what your criticism is exactly.

  • @gaba665
    @gaba665 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You talk very weird lol