I appreciate your Podcast I’m a former Adventist for 27 yrs my wife is a lifelong Adventist we do not attend church. I refuse to step foot in another Adventist church and my wife will not attend another Denominational church. I just pray that god will touch her heart and she sees what the truth/ gospel really is all about. Thank you and God bless.
There is a passage in Eclesiastes that says that the body return to dust and the spirit to God (12:7). Also, the whole 1 Corinthians 15 seems to point out that the spirit and the body is not the same and can be separated in my interpretation. Verse 44: "It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body" And this verse: "Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption." I showed these verses to an Adventist friend and he said that "this does not mean what you think", but have not explained why...
The body without the breath of God is just a corpse but when God breath life into Adam he became a living soul that’s what humans are, we are souls, it’s not a separate entity that comes out of us when we die or ascend into heaven, if the dead are already in heaven then who is Christ coming back to earth to resurrect ? Every resurrection in the Bible were a flesh and blood bodily resurrection, Jesus didn’t say Lazarus was a spirit or that he was in heaven, he say Lazarus is dead and he went and resurrect him in the body, even Lazarus sister say to Christ that she know that at the end of the world Christ will resurrect the righteous dead
@@Bajannubian095 A living soul is when the body have the spirit, but the dust alone is not conscious, the conscious part is the spirit, Dust alone can't do anything and there is a separation between what is spirit and what is body, this is show in numerous verses: John 6:63, James 2:26, 2 Corinthians 5:8, Philippians 1:21-24, Philippians 3:20. There is also lot of verses that shows that the spirit returns to God (but does not die or does not get in a sleep state): Genesis 6:3, Psalm 104:29, Psalm 146:4, 1 Samuel 28:19, Luke 23:46. There are verses that shows conscious after-life: 1 Peter 3:19-20, Revelation 6:9-10, Lazarus and the Rich. Sleep was used as an euphemism, it is very clear at John 11:11-14, where nobody could understand the idea of "sleep" (which they should if soul-sleep was indeed a thing at the time) until Jesus finally said what it truly is. The Lazarus idea also does not show that Lazarus is in a unconscious soul-sleep state, in no moment it says that. Because the main point is to live on earth, it was a good place, considered "very good" by God. When we go, we get in a "waiting condition" like the souls in Revelation 6:9-10 shows to be. I can go on and on.
1 Cor 14: 13-19 I was reading that last night and what jumped out at me is that as an SDA I was always taught that my mind was what the Bible refers to as our spirit. Here it is very clear, our mind and our spirit are two distinct things.
Yes. And they often try and say that (I get comments sayin such). Mark 12:30 decimates that idea also… “And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’” Again, differentiated.
@@answeringadventism man, it’s amazing how as an Adventist you read these verses and yet don’t see it! Now you mention that I’m like ‘well of course!’…
@@protestant77 My friend you have presented irrefutable Bible text without the use of single statement from EGW. You didn't traumatize Myles. I am so proud of you.
@@claire9702 The issue is not the deeper meaning of rauch, but how Myles puts the breath of life as an independent component, instead of seen it as the Bible presents it as part of the whole. The whole being a living soul.
@@protestant77 Funny how Adventists throw Bible verses and be triumphalistic about it as if we former Adventists heard it for the first time. We know your arguments through and through. What Myles is doing is present to you the other side that gives you a bigger picture about the nature of man. We former Adventists did not reject those verses that say the dead are asleep, for they really are, their body sleeps in the Lord. But we can't just limit its meaning to what you want it to mean, because the Bible talks about the nature of man in other verses as well. And as Myles presented, there is more to a human than just the body.
SDA apologists are every bit as crafty as the apologists for Mormonism or any other heresy. You can use natural analogies to prove anything, heresies as well as truth. The analogy that he uses of wood and nails establishes nothing.
Don't call your brothers heretics, there are 51,000 + Christian denominations, but they still are the Church of God. Rev.1: 16 to 20, rev. 2:1, rev. 3:14 to 21. The 2 Witnesses will come out of God's Church (Candlesticks) Rev. 11:3,4. Matthew 24:14. to preach The Gospel of the Kingdom for 42 months to prepare (those heretics) His Church(Candlesticks) for the return of Yeshua (Christ). Shalom!
@JoseHernandez-rt3bt You guys here to recapture the narrative that you obviously lost when Myles exposed you? Forget about it. Best you repent of Ellen's blasphemous heresies, instead of trying to play King Of The Hill in back and forth arguing.
I was Born a Roman Catholic And I Started to Believe in SDA Doctrine n consider myself an SDA From 2016-2020 . Now I'm A Christian no Longer An SDA , Just a Christian. I remember I feel like converting All Because I Was So Convince With Soul Sleep Doctrine Was Such a Biblical Truth cause They Used Bible Verse From all Around The Bible , To Psalm , Ecclesiastes, Gen 2, John , 1Thess and So on ....... Bible Flock Box Was The One Who Made Me Convince Adventist and Soul sleep is True , Plus He Was The One Who Introduced me To SDA First time in his You Tube Channel!!!!!
We will be addressing Bible Flock Box in due time. Lots of content to get to. Do a systematic approach of the topic. Meaning look at what the entire Bible has to say on the topic and see what is consistent. We will also be addressing all the SDA prooftexts in coming videos.
Bible flock box is very deceptive and speaks hypotheses as truth. On a side note is was very comforting reading your comment "now I'm just a Christian" it's awesome to see people let let go of denominationalism and just rest in Jesus.
@@protestant77 the bible clearly speaks of flesh that lay in the ground asleep(our dead bodies) and the spirit that returns to the father. Ecclesiastes is talking about under the sun here on earth. Rightly divide the word of God 9¶When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. 10And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” 11Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed. How do these souls cry out if they can't think or are asleep? How are they told to have patience if they are not conscious?
I agree with this 💯. Reading all of the comments below and so much talk about soul and body but everyone is ignoring the "spirit" aspect, which is spoken of SO much in the New Testament. If you believe so much in soul sleep, what then did Apostle Paul mean by Philippians 1:21-24?
They talk about soul sleeping, but they ignore the fact that Moses died and met with Jesus and Elijah. How can Moses be soul sleeping and remain in the grave and that they will just lay there, but not go to Heaven? To me, this blows the soul sleeping out of the water.
That's why Ellen had to change Scripture to say (In Jude) the Moses was resurrected by Michael the archangel. Read Jude BC it says no such thing--Ellen inserted that in Scripture!!
@@rebeccagable9629 We know God buried Moses, why would there be fighting over the body if there was no intended resurrection? We see Moses *bodily* speaking to Jesus.
This is the formula as I understand it in the Genesis passage: breath of life + body = living being (complete with brain and mind) aka living soul aka SOUL. Breath of life = not the Spirit of God but the vitalizing force that gives us life which is from God. This correlates to the Greek term psuchē, used in Math 10:28 and not pneuma.
I have been a baptized Christian for 62 years, keep all the Commandments, including the annual Feast of Yehovah and the Sabbath. I'm not a SDAC member. The Leaders are responsible for what they teach their followers. Matthew 7: 21 to 29. I understand that after we are baptized will receive the Holy Spirit of God and Christ and the father come to abide with us and we are one with God like Christ and the Father are One. That did not happened at Creation where we received a Spirit from God that go back to God when we died. Remember now we know in part. Shalom.
Everything l know about SDA was taught to me by Walter Veith. l learned to love the man, and his wife Sonica, and l watch the whole series of ''Total Onslaught'' and his ''Creation' and ''Reformation' series' A LOT of it was SOOO interesting! l heard his testimony .....but in the end l Jesus just led me away from it into ''Reform'' theology. When l listen to online pastors it is usually MacArthur and Sproul. Thank You for your channel. :D
Yes. Walter is not a dumb man. I’m a nobody but I’d love having a discussion with him. He’s a great orator and I think that wins a lot of people over (just like with Doug Batchelor), but there are flaws in a lot of his theological claims. Will be addressing those in due time. I love Sproul! He was my pastors mentor 🙂 Thank for checking out the channel! God bless!
Also would destroy the dietary laws which should put so much emphasis on what you do to this body and how what you do to this body will determine whether or not you get “translated”.
"Father, into Your hands I commend my spirit" "His Spirit testifies with our spirit" How can His Spirit testify with our breath?? Doug has got this wrong.
Calvin saw in the doctrine of soul sleep a serious threat to Justification by faith Hence his brilliant essay Psycopanichia [GK for Soul sleep]. He opposed the doctrine because you had to wait for the resurrection to find out if you have eternal life. That smacks of works. He opposed that sense of not knowing with John 1028. If we can know that we have eternal life then it must result from what Christ has done and not from what we shall yet do or have done, see Romans 4:16.
I was taught as a kid by my mother that when you die your soul climbs out of your body and goes to heaven, where you receive a new body. Then when Jesus comes back you are resurrected from your grave and you receive yet another new body. I grew up confused and couldn't believe this stuff, until I read the Bible for myself and understood the real truth about death and that this transmigration of the soul idea is all baloney.
I still struggle with this. I have come to understand many of the doctrines to be wrong but this one is still difficult to break away from. There are passages of scripture that does support the concept of "Soul Sleep" but then there are other passages of scripture that challenges that concept. Thanks for the video. I will continue trusting that the Lord will reveal that truth to me in his time.
Look up Sam Shamoun on any of the topics on "afterlife" or watch his 7 part series on hell. Myles has done some work with him. That's how I found Myles, Sam is a biblical titan.
One thing Jesus said trying to make a point that is Jesus is, he said flesh and blood cannot be in same place as the spirit or relm. It has to be changed. In the new covenant it is changed. We go from death to life in Jesus. Jesus defeated death.
This is why you guys are insufferable. This was an internal critique of your guys’ position, not a positive presentation of my own. I clearly said we were going to be examining the SDA Church’s position, not that I would be teaching you mine. Right, you’re seeing contradictions because thats the entire point. When critiquing the SDA theory, it contradicts scripture en tota which means it isn’t true. 🤦♂️
@@answeringadventism I have nothing against your critique but dont you think it would take a lot more then just a vidéo to make your point. Probably you could make a vidéo with DB would be alright.
The concept of man having an immaterial aspect is not greek mythology and paganism that slowly infiltrated the apostolic church. However, we may say that it originated from the father of lies. God's loving and clear instructions were "for the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." The serpent states the opposite of God's specific words, "Ye shall not surely die." Who are we going to believe? The reason that you and I lived in this cursed world is because Adan and Eve disobeyed God's clear and unambiguous words. Who do we want to obey? The teachings of man or the clear teachings of the Bible that teaches us that you and I are a living soul. By the way, in the Bible, animals are also nephesh (soul).
You guys arrive at these conclusions because you see everything through the Great Controversy paradigm. We literally looked at 6 pericopes of scripture in this video and they all refute what you said. You equates it to doctrine of demons. Interesting. And you guys, in true fashion, redefine what eternal life means to straw man. Eternal life isn’t simply having a conscious existence indefinitely. It’s a state of being. And apart from God it isn’t life (flourishing), it’s chaos, depravity, etc. The irony of your comment is Adam was told in the day that he ate of the tree, he would surely die. Did he die that day? Yes, but not physically. Another living aspect of his being died. You’re proving the point.
@@answeringadventismMy amigo Myles you really have to get over your childhood traumas about EGW. I amsimply saying that the serpent states that you will not surely die and he is saying the opposite of what God is saying. Now if your spirit never dies, then why does God need to restrict Adan and Eve from reaching over and grabbing the fruit of the tree of life. You see Myles you have not refuted my Biblical statements because your premise is faulty. You are imposing a presupposition into your interpretation of Genesis 2:7. This is what you are trying to say: dust (body) +. breath of life, spirit (immaterial, immortal) = living soul. The only problem with your interpretation is that God is immortal (1 Tim 6:16) and not man. I've thoroughly examined all of your 6 Bible texts and none of them suggest that when a person dies, his spirit immediately goes to heaven or hell. Absent from the body and present with the Lord never tells you when this will take place. However, Paul does give us a clue as to when he will receive his reward (1 Timothy 4:7-8) and it is not immediately after he dies.
"when he opened the fith seal,i saw under the alter the souls of those who had been slain for the Word of God"...Rev 6:9 This is just one of the verses in the Bible that destroys EGW vision on the Investigative judgement
No.. that is language drawn from Gen 4:10 in which Abel’s blood did the same thing …He said, “What hast thou done? The voice of thy brother’s blood crieth unto Me from the ground.”
@@protestant77 And Jesus said:You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul with all your mind -when sleep is mentioned in the Bible it means our bodies are resting in the grave ,until the ressurection day but oyr soul/spirit goes to God
@@umabrijmohun6720 yep, you are right Uma, Gen 4:10 & Rev 6:9-11 are not the same. Who dares to call John the revelator a liar when it is HE who "SAW under the alter the souls of those who had been killed......" (v9). My question to SDA's regarding this verse is "where were these souls before they were seen "under the alter?" Did not these souls at one time inhabit their human body before being killed "because of the word of God, and the testimony they maintained"? (V9) Not only did John see these souls (v9), John also heard their request being made to "....O Sovereign Lord, holy and true.....". (V10) Who dares to call John unstable to the point that he actually did not "see and hear" these souls but just made it all up? V10 says "......they (souls under the alter) CRIED OUT IN A LOUD VOICE". John wrote that this request by these souls was very loud. Was John hearing things? The souls request to "O Sovereign Lord, holy and true" was "....how long until you judge those who dwell on the earth and avenge our blood". (V10) If soul-sleep is of a non-existant and a non-conscience state, why would "O Sovereign Lord, holy and TRUE....." even bother to answer this request with ".....wait a little longer until the full number of their fellow servants, brothers and sisters, were to be killed JUST AS THEY HAD BEEN" Why would God answer a soul that according to SDA's are in a "sleep in death" state? These souls are ALIVE in the presence of God. There is a two-way conversation taking place in Rev 6:9-11. And the killer blow to the false soul-sleep doctrine is the fact that 1; there are humans waiting to be killed while ON EARTH at the SAME TIME that martryed "souls under the alter" are conversing with God, and God replying to them...in a place other than earth but "under the alter". 2; John is a eye witness and a ear witness of the events in Rev 6:9-11, to which he was commanded to write down (Rev 1:11). Who dares to call John a false witness giving false testimony after being told to write down. If one is to call John a liar and a false witness, then he calls Jesus Christ a liar by giving John false information since all of Revelation is from Jesus Christ (Rev 1:1). Difference #1 Gen 4:10. God is speaking to Cain, with Cain being on earth. Abel's blood is crying to God FROM THE GROUND. While Rev 6:9-11 God speaks to the souls not from the ground, but some place in God's presence AFTER the killing of the christian body on earth. Difference #2 Gen 4:10 does not show God ever responding to the "cry" of Abel's blood WITH WORDS. There was no two-way conversation between God and Abel's blood. However, in Rev 6:9-11 John hears God's spoken words to the souls (v11) "...they were TOLD to wait a little longer until......"
it is a little bit astounding to me, but this box illustration is the same one I heard in the 50's and 60's as a student in Adventist schools and at church as well as in evangelistic meetings.
Yes! “And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’” - Mark 12:30. There are so many verses this video could have been 20 minutes longer.
ok I get sick and so tired of hearing teachers that should know the word of God, but they dont even know themselves !Or the word of God. Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. soul and spirit , soul and spirit, The soul and spirit! two separate things ! Not the same thing as Pastor Doug said " analogy that our soul or Spirit of which Doug used interchangeably is our breath in combination with our physical body. We are spirit we have a soul and we are enslaved in this body.
I think Doug is saying that you cannot be physically and mentally alive on this earth with a body and soul. People are not walking around on earth without a soul, and souls aren't floating around without a body. I believe the state of the dead is a sleep. In death our soul goes back to the creator, I don't believe our soul is as ourselves hanging out in heaven while our physical body is dead waiting for the resurrection of our physical bodies on earth to be raised. John 5:29 "And shall come forth; they that have done good, to the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, to the resurrection of damnation."
This is standard fare SDA presentation. We played a small stint because it isn’t necessary to make a 45 minute video. The SDA churches position is very plainly stated and Doug is simply regurgitating it. It doesn’t stand the test of scripture systematically (meaning, looking at what the entirety of scripture says in the topic).
@@answeringadventism Are you sure that the SDA belief on the state of the dead doesn't stand the test of scripture or would Myles interpretation not stand the test of scripture?
@@nonconformist4802 It’s the scripture that determine who is right and who is wrong. When Satan posed his version of the scriptures, Jesus corrected Satan’s misinterpretation. Here is what pose to you, nonconformist. Genesis 2:7 clear state the nature of man: dust of the (body) plus breath of life (spirit) equal living soul. Body and spirit are components that make up the whole (soul). When you compare every single Bible text with this formula, all of them are in harmony with this basic formula. Example, Ez 19:20, “The soul that sinneth, it shall surely die,” Adan transgressed the law ( sinned) and Gen 5:5 states “And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died,” Adan is a living soul and since he sinned, he died. His body decomposed and his spirit returned to the life giver. Adan (nephesh-soul-life) is not immortal because he lost that privilege when he left the garden. He no longer had access to the tree of life, his source of life. So this is the foundation of the nature of man that the Bible teaches. We can only have life through Jesus. The teaching of the immortality of the soul makes inefficient what Jesus has done for us in the cross. As for me and my house, I’ll stick with this version of the narrative and of I rest in Jesus, my hope is in the resurrection of the saints and not on the inmortal soul teachings which is foreign to the narrative of the scripture. Now nonconformist, what is your narrative of the nature of man? Is it based on the Bible or the commandments of man? Have a blessed day my brother.
@@michaelrodriguez6872 _When you compare every single Bible text_ What a lot of hogwash 1) The book of Revelation clearly said they that died in Christ *ARE* conscious 2) The book of Revelation clearly said that they who died without Christ are tormented for a 1000 years, no BS about after a whole they are puffed up in mere smoke and don't exist anymore. _what is your narrative of the nature of man? Is it based on the Bible or the commandments of man?_ This is the kind of question you must ask yourself, for your all depends upon EGW and not on the Bible. _Have a blessed day my brother_ You have it wrong hear, my brothers and sisters are Christians, not pretenders with a christian sugar coating to make them smell better. I AM NOT YOUR BROTHER.
In 1517 Martin Luther posted his famous 95 Theses regarding the errors of the Catholic Church. In defending many of these later in 1520 he listed the idea “that the soul is immortal” as among “all these endless monstrosities in the Roman dunghill of decretals” (Assertion of All the Articles of M. Luther Condemned by the Latest Bull of Leo X, Art. 27, Works of Luther, Weimar ed., Vol. 7). Luther’s main concern in this was the Catholic conception of the conscious torment of souls in purgatory, which he rejected. Not long afterward he wrote: “It is probable, in my opinion, that, with very few exceptions indeed, the dead sleep in utter insensibility till the day of judgment . . . On what authority can it be said that the souls of the dead may not sleep . . . in the same way that the living pass in profound slumber the interval between their downlying at night and their uprising in the morning?” (Letter to Nicholas Amsdorf, Jan. 13, 1522, quoted by Jules Michelet, The Life of Luther, translated by William Hazlitt, 1862, p. 133). “Solomon judges that the dead are asleep, and feel nothing at all. For the dead lie there accounting neither days nor years, but when are awaked, they shall seem to have slept scarce one minute” (An Exposition of Solomon’s Book, Called Ecclesiastes or the Preacher, 1553, folio 151v). “Thus after death the soul goes to its bedchamber and to its peace, and while it is sleeping it does not realize its sleep, and God preserves the awakening soul. God is able to awake Elijah, Moses, and others . . . so that they will live. But how can that be? That we do not know; we satisfy ourselves with the example of bodily sleep, and with what God says: it is a sleep, a rest, and a peace” (Interpretation of the First Book of Moses, Writings, Vol. 1)
Why do you guys pick and choose which stuff you like and don't like from people. You guys do this with Rome when you think they're saying something that furthers your agenda, you do it with Luther and the Reformers, etc. What's your point? Because Luther said it therefore it's true? Are you trying to pove even a Reformer held this idea? This isn't news, Jason. I'm Reformed. I've read much of the Reformers and have for quite some time now. You didn't deal with any of the scriptures from the video showing the inconsistency in the SDA theory on this.
@@answeringadventism You may know it but many may not. I share so that people understand this is not a new theology that is unique to SDA and others have studied the word of God and concluded that its a biblical teaching. Honestly Friend, as long as you don't believe the dead can communicate with you I don't have any problem with your ideology of going to heaven at death, I do think it is in error but i still believe you can have a personal relationship with Jesus. I don't think It is a salvational issue as long as you know they cannot communicate with you. I think it is a dangerous teaching on this merit alone, to be clear the dead do not know anything. Your theology teaches the next thought is heaven or hell and my theology says the same thing. May be different on the hell part as defined but none the less the conscience thought is parallel. My theology says the next conscience thought is seeing Jesus. The only difference I see is when judgment is executed or the reward is executed but that is tit for tat.
3 - 31 - 24 Since you mentioned Martin Luther and you claim that Adventistm is the ONLY ONE TRUE REMNANT religion denomination church of being the Completers of the Protestant Reformation movement..... And since you mentioned the 95 theses of Martin Luther Then these two questions should be EXTREMELY EASY for you to ANSWER giving you the opportunity RIGHT HERE and RIGHT NOW to defend WHAT Adventism believes and WHY Adventism believes it in regarding the Protestant Reformation movement in order to give an ANSWER to EVERYONE who asks 1st Peter 3 : 15 #1 Of the 95 theses that Martin Luther the Protestant Reformer nailed to the Wittenberg Castle church in GERMANY on October 31,1517 which one talks about keeping the Saturday Sabbath Holy or going to church on Saturday's ? Much less ANY Sabbath gathering at a Saturday Sabbath church ? Of the two schools of thought of the Protestant Reformation movement which of the two would BEST describe the Closing of the Heavenly Sanctuary doctrine of being on MASONIC Probation Eternal life of the Investigative Judgment and the father of LIES the Devil as the SCAPEGOAT ?
Job 27:3 All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils Luk 23:46: "46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost." Not talking about oxygen. 😢 Acts 17:32 KJV - And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked: and others said, We will hear thee again of this matter. Pagans don't believe in resurrection, because they believe we have immortal souls. There is not a single" immortal soul" in the whole Bible. God said: Genesis 2:17 thou shalt surely die. Satan said: Genesis 3:4 Ye shall not surely die: Demons communicate to people in the form of dead people to convince the world that people don't really die when they die. There's no consciousness without a working brain. Lights go out and you need someone to resurrect you.
Haha. The GK Chesterton joke was funny! Funny because as a former 2nd-gen SDA, I know how Adventists hate anything Roman Catholic. I used to be like that. So imagine their reaction when I told my friends I am now a Catholic. They thought I had a loose screw! Reading too much does "that" (loosing screws) to you! Unfortunately, instead of being curious, my Catholicism is now a barrier for deeper discussion. They just despise Catholics. I know many Protestants do, but Adventist apprehension to them is on another level. So, I avoid announcing I'm now Catholic or else they'll avoid me like a plague. I only reveal it to those who ask and I deem as truth-seekers.
We don't hate Roman Catholics. There are many sincere people in Catholicism. As you know, part of the three angels message is to warn the world against the mark of the beast.
@@michaelrodriguez6872 When I say Adventists hate Roman Catholics, I meant that they hate the Church and their teachings. I recognize that you are respectful and you love Catholics as persons, but you hate their theology and you despise their history. My SDA friends don't hate me as a person, but they hate what I represent as a convinced Catholic. They know now that I'm not an ignorant Catholic that needs to be saved from ignorance. I'm someone who actually embraced Catholic theology wholeheartedly while rejecting Adventism. They also know how deep I know Adventism's theology, as I was a theology student, and also an elder in our local church for over a decade. So imagine how it doesn't compute to them, and perhaps to you, that I can embrace Catholicism and reject Adventism. Both theologies I know deeply now, and I made a conscious and educated choice.
@@raeldc Basically we are warning the world against the claims of the papal system. It was clearly prophecy in Daniel and Revelation and as you know the historical prophetic school of interpretation did not originate with Adventism. It was the prophetic school used by protestants. Even competing popes would call each other antichrist during the Middle Ages, so our interpretations of the little horn of Daniel 7 is not unique to Adventism.
@@michaelrodriguez6872 The thing is, you're only getting your history from secondary sources. Why not read primary sources and let them speak about history without bringing your bias. Find out if history actually fits your interpretation of prophecy. It took me years to research and verify this, so I don't think an online discussion such as this one could change your mind. I also don't think you're ready to re-evaluate your Adventism. I was like you brother. I was very comfortable Adventist, with a very lovely community. And I really could not have predicted that I'll become Catholic coming from my Adventist background. It took a lot of contemplation and prayer to get to where I am more than intellectual research and knowledge. So I don't expect you to change your mind without God's grace truly working in you, and you allowing him to open your mind. Keep an open mind, and heart.
Tyndale: “And you, in putting them [departed souls] in heaven, hell, and purgatory, destroy the arguments wherewith Christ and Paul prove the resurrection . . . And again, if the souls be in heaven, tell me why they be not in as good [a] case as the angels be? And then what cause [or reason] is there of the resurrection?” (An Answer to Sir Thomas More’s Dialogue, Book 4, chap. 4). “The true faith puts [forth] the resurrection . . . The heathen philosophers, denying that, did put [forth] that the souls did ever live [as immortal]. And the pope joins the spiritual doctrine of Christ and the fleshly doctrine of philosophers together; things so contrary that they cannot agree, no more than the Spirit and the flesh do in a Christian man. And because the fleshly-minded pope consents unto heathen doctrine, therefore he corrupts the Scripture to establish it.” “And when he [Thomas More] proves that the saints be in heaven in glory with Christ already, saying, ‘If God be their God, they be in heaven, for he is not the God of the dead’ [as More tried to argue from Jesus’ point in Matthew 22:31-32]; there he steals away Christ’s argument, wherewith he proves the resurrection: that Abraham and all saints should rise again, not that their souls were in heaven; which doctrine was not yet in the world. And with that doctrine he takes away the resurrection quite, and makes Christ’s argument of none effect.” Moreover, Tyndale makes poignant use of the apostle Paul’s statement that Christians are most pitiable, or miserable, if there is no resurrection (1 Corinthians 15:16-19) and of his instruction that Christians should comfort one another over lost loved ones with the hope of the resurrection at Christ’s return (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18). This instruction would make no sense if those loved ones are now awake in heaven. As Tyndale sarcastically presents it: “‘Nay, Paul, you are unlearned; go to Master [Thomas] More, and learn a new way. We be not most miserable, though we rise not again; for our souls go to heaven as soon as we be dead, and are there in as great joy as Christ that is risen again.’ And I marvel that Paul had not comforted the Thessalonians with that doctrine, if he had wist [known] it, that the souls of their dead had been in joy; as he did with the resurrection, that their dead should rise again. If the souls be in heaven, in as great glory as the angels, after your doctrine, show me what cause should be of the resurrection.”
Genesis 2.7 :" Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being " - SOLA SCRIPTURA 😉
Somehow I felt that you are completely confused by your own understanding...... you need to study well before you teach. Because wrong teachings will effect you more than other.
I’m not teaching. We did a testing of a claim by reading scriptures SDAs won’t mention in these run of the mill presentations. We read scripture and then utilized basic critical thinking. It doesn’t take a Th.D or M.Div to see this.
@@michaelrodriguez6872 you’re right, actually! I stand corrected. I’m teaching people to think critically with an IQ higher than room temperature which then allows them to see how weak SDA theology is.
Bible teaches both concepts. But the idea of immortality of the soul is the idea that is affirmed the most in Jesus , the gospels and epistles . The second temple era was way to influential to say immortality of the soul is not in the Bible . It was and affirmed by Jesus
Spirit, breath, life and mind are interchangeable in the bible when translated, so you have to really study and remember the bible doesn't contradict itself, need to go to original language.
SDA and EGW are making God a liar. He said they will die that day. EGW says they started dying (began slowly to die) that day. That makes God a liar. But He didn’t lie. They died that day. Spiritually. That’s why we are born spiritually dead. That’s why we need to be born again.
@@frazierwoods9912 What God said to them is that they will die that day. I believe God. They died that day! Not physically. Spiritually. We are born spiritually dead. That’s why we need God to make us alive. I see it in many verses, as for example: Colossians 2:13 “When you were DEAD in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you ALIVE with Christ.”
@@frazierwoods9912 You’re desperately trying to push this into what you want it to be, for whatever the reason you believe it that way. It’s fine with me. If that’s how you want it, good for you. I know what I believe and why I believe it.
Except, as shown, that isn’t what scripture teaches. But ok! One can be pleasing to the Lord AWAY from their body. Jesus places a dichotomy between the soul and the body, clearly demonstrating that there’s a difference and the soul isn’t a result of the body. If He said to not fear man who can kill the body and do nothing else, but fear him who can cast both soul AND body in hell, your guys’ theory would mean man can kill both soul and body, making Jesus’ statement pointless. 😂😅
@@answeringadventism "David is not in Heaven..." Scripture says Acts2:34 KJV, and this was 2k after his demise but still Peter said he isn't in heaven but in the grave. So if your interpretation were true, then Peter According to you was lying Under The Influence Of The Spirit. Because David was Man Of God's Heart, He would only be in Heaven if the dead go to heaven. But scripture is clear, only the living go to Heaven 1 Th4:16-17 and not the other way round, that is why the dead need to be resurrected in order to go there
@@michaelmutekedza5425 right, Jesus’ words refuted you and your theory would mean man CAN kill the body and soul both so now you’re running to another verse, as per usual with you guys. Thanks for demonstrating the weakness of your guys’ position.
@@michaelmutekedza5425 typical SDA tactic again, Mike. You got busted and now you have to pivot. Also, you’re the last person to be talking about the Spirit being a liar seeing as you follow a prophetess who contradicted what the Spirit of God has already revealed on numerous occasions, making Him a liar. Maybe sit this one out.
Christ's kingdom is a spiritual kingdom. Does that mean that it's floating around somewhere in some ether? NO. Sorry but you are misunderstanding the term spirit. Concepts can also be spirit. Sorry, old English strikes again. We need better translations.
I personally think the bible isn’t clear on this as there are contradictions! So you could say Adventist ate right and also say they are wrong based on scripture!
this video fails miserably, Adventist church do not teach that you don't have a spirit, so all these verses that your using are irrelevant, you failed to mention one verse that actually teaches that a human can be conscious with a spirit alone, and you ignored all the clear Bible teachings about soul sleep upon death, SDA teaches that the dead will live again after the resurrection, which is the whole point of the resurrection at the second coming, the bible clearly teaches that man returns to dust and the spirit returns to God who gave it, and that the dead have absolutely no knowledge in the grave,until Jesus come again to resurrection, but you don't care about that you just want to be ghost and fly away to heaven immediately you don't need a resurrection and you blaspheme God by saying that you don't need that body that he gave you to exist
No, you just failed to track with what was said. I didn't say the SDA Church teaches we DON'T have a spirit. I said they teach our spirit does not possess consciousness upon separation from the body. Your entire critique was based on missing the point.
@@answeringadventism your entire critique does not show a conscious spirit without a body, your entire critique ignores all Bible teachings relating death to an unconscious sleep, all those verses about having a spirit wrestling with the desires of the body proves nothing, the word spirit simply means 'unseen power' in the bible just like wind, which literally what the Hebrew and greek words for spirit means, Jesus related being born of the spirit like the wind as well, you failed to prove a spirit is a conscious being without a body
@@divoryy and yet, you have yet to provide any exegetical basis for your claims. The position is so weak all one has to do is examine it in light of all of scripture and see if it contradicts. Which it does. Hence why all that was needed to bury this idea was to examine it in light of scripture. Tell you what! Since I’m so confused and unlearned, holding a seemingly unbiblical position, how’s about you come onto my show and we will examine who is and isn’t properly utilizing scripture? Sound good? Should be easy, right?
@@answeringadventism 'This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 'John 6:39 This is Jesus’s promise, to be resurrected on the last day, not going to heaven immediately upon death 'Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth- those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. ' John 5:28-29 People are will be in their graves not in heaven when Jesus returns 'And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, Some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting contempt.' Daniel 12:2 Sleep….awake, self-explanatory 'And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. ' Matthew 10:28 This verse that you are manipulating, in the light of the scriptures encourages believers not to fear those who can kill this temporary body, because God will provide an immortal body for them at the resurrection, but those who fear men and disobey God, shall have their bodies and souls (their entire being) destroyed at the resurrection of the judgment 'For dust you are, And to dust you shall return.”' Genesis 3:19 Do you see where the dead go ? to dust ! they return to being nothing ! 'For the living know that they will die; But the dead know nothing.' Ecclesiastes 9:5 How would you know nothing if you are conscious ?! 'The dead do not praise the Lord , Nor any who go down into silence.'Psalms 115:17 Silence ! cannot praise ! why would you be silent and not praise if you are conscious ? 'For in death there is no remembrance of You; In the grave who will give Youthanks?' Psalms 6:5 why would you not remember and thank God if you are conscious ? '“What profit is there in my blood, When I go down to the pit(Sheol/grave)? Will the dust praise You? Will it declare Your truth?' Psalms 30:9 Man returns to being dust that cannot praise? where is your heaven here ? 'For Sheol cannot thank You, Death cannot praise You; Those who go down to the pit cannot hope for Your truth.' Isaiah 38:18 'Consider and hear me, O Lord my God; Enlighten my eyes, Lest I sleep the sleep of death;' Psalms 13:3 'Adrift among the dead, Like the slain who lie in the grave, Whom You remember no more, And who are cut off from Your hand.' Psalms 88:5 'So David rested with his fathers, and was buried in the City of David. ' I Kings 2:10 David rested in his sleep, he didn’t go anywhere, that’s what you do when you sleep you rest 'Awake and sing, you who dwell in dust;' Isaiah 26:19 Again…the dead are sleeping in the dust waiting to awake, this is a prophecy of the resurrection 'So man lies down and does not rise. Till the heavens are no more, They will not awake Nor be roused from their sleep.' Job 14:12 But you know better than Job don’t you ? 'These things He said, and after that He said to them, “Our friend Lazarus sleeps, but I go that I may wake him up.” Then His disciples said, “Lord, if he sleeps he will get well.” However, Jesus spoke of his death, but they thought that He was speaking about taking rest in sleep. Then Jesus said to them plainly, “Lazarus is dead. ' John 11:11-14 Lazarus is dead = Lazarus sleeps 'Then he knelt down and cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not charge them with this sin.” And when he had said this, he fell asleep.' Acts 7:60 Steven slept when he died, he did not go anywhere did he ? '“Men and brethren, let me speak freely to you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. “For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he says himself: ‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at My right hand,' Acts 2:29,34 Why would Peter say that David is not in heaven yet ? 'and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.” ' II Peter 3:4 The dead fathers have been sleeping from the beginning up to that day as per Peter’s statement 'if indeed, having been clothed, we shall not be found naked. For we who are in this tent groan, being burdened, not because we want to be unclothed, but further clothed, that mortality may be swallowed up by life. ' II Corinthians 5:3-4 Paul refers to being dead as being naked, unclothed, he does not like it ! he awaits his new immortal living body, he does not marvel in being a conscious spirit 'But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus. For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. ' I Thessalonians 4:13-15 my.bible.com/bible/114/1TH.4.13-15 'And all these, having obtained a good testimony through faith, did not receive the promise, God having provided something better for us, that they should not be made perfect apart from us.' Hebrews 11:39-40 Why would Paul say about all the old testament saints have not received the promise yet, if they are a spirit dwelling in heaven now ?! 'For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.' We will not be “always with the Lord” until that day that both the living and the sleeping dead are caught up to Jesus 'In My Father’s house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also. 'John 14:2-3 Jesus promises to return to take us back to him, he does not promise that we will go to him immediately after death ! 'that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death, if, by any means, I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.' Philippians 3:10-11 Paul groans for the resurrection, not for being a bodiless spirit ! 'But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. ' I Corinthians 15:20-23 'Finally, there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will give to me on that Day, and not to me only but also to all who have loved His appearing.' II Timothy 4:8 Paul is waiting to be rewarded on Jesus’s second coming not immediately after death This also aligns perfectly with the remainder of the scripture that states that the judgment isn't concluded yet for anyone to go anywhere 'But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, who “will render to each one according to his deeds”: 'Romans 2:5-6 '“And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. 'Revelation 22:12 'For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works. ' Matthew 16:27 'He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him- the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day. ' John 12:48 '“When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: ' Matthew 25:31-34 I’m sorry brother, but no one is going anywhere until Jesus returns, only then the sleeping dead shall awake, and the living's bodies shall be changed 'Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed- For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”' I Corinthians 15:51,53-54 I hope this is enough scripture for you
@@divoryy so you demonstrated you can copy and paste. Good one. I didn’t figure you’d actually come on and discuss it yourself. You’re so sure my position isn’t biblical, but not sure enough that you can actually discuss it face to face. Dime a dozen.
Actually Myles preconceived ideas are not letting Gen 2:7 speak for itself. The text is extremely simple if you don't mix it with platonic ideologies. Body plus breath of life equals living soul. Myles sees the breath of life as having inherent life. Unfortunately the Bible clearly states that for man to continue to live, it needed the tree of life.
@@mmtoss6530 Paul would also tell you that his teachings of living soul is aligned with the other prophets of the Bible. Noticed that I simply stated Genesis 2:7 as a formula. According to the clear and unambiguous Bible scripture is that you and I are a living soul. Within that soul, I have a spiritual component. What is Genesis saying?
Translations from the Greek and Hebrew to English can really mess people up. Adam became a living soul: soul meaning body and God's living breath. After God breathed into Adam His breath of life [pneuma = spirit], Adam became alive and was able to function and think and use his mind/the inner man. I am having a really hard time believing that we have people spirits and people who have solid bodies in heaven right now co-mingling up there together, doesn't feel right to me or makes any sense. In other words Elijah, who was raptured (having a solid body, not experiencing death) and the first fruits at the crucifixion, a group of saints still in their graves who were resurrected at Jesus" crucifixion- Matthew 27:51-54 and now having solid bodies mingling together with spirit people in heaven is very odd. Remember when Jesus was resurrected He displayed His real solid body to Thomas and could eat fish and honey Luke 24:42-43 , spirits cant eat real solid food. Jesus even said I am not a spirit, anyways its clear that the righteous dead will be resurrected to have real, yet glorified bodies like Jesus when Jesus returns and they will eat from the tree of life, a real tree, not a spirit tree, spirits cant eat. You dont die and go to heaven or hell right away in a spirit form that would negate the need for the resurrection. Jesus Himself called death sleep, because when your body thoroughly dies so does your brain and you can no longer have any consciousness. We have to be either resurrected or raptured having bodies with a functioning brain to have consciousness , in both incidences solid bodies are indicated and they will eat from the tree of life, a real tree not a spirit tree. The near death experiences actually comes from your brain, a living brain, usually from lack of oxygen and is able to cause one to project outside of onesself. Its a place in the brain where God gives people the capability to go into vision etc. like the prophets in the bible. Demons can use it too. In depth study using the Greek and Hebrew- sthelenaca.adventistchurch.org/about/worship-with-us/bible-studies/dr-erwigane/immortalsoul#:~:text=According%20to%20Jesus%2C%20where%20can,distinction%20between%20soul%20and%20body. John 14:2-6 NKJV I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, *I will come again and receive you to Myself*; that where I am, there you may be also. (This scripture is telling us we have to wait until Jesus comes back for us, this is referring to the great harvest at His second appearance in the clouds). Adam was never a spirit or ghost, not before his creation and not after and Adam is still waiting in the grave until Jesus returns just like King David, Acts 2. Actually there are some in heaven right now as are recorded from scripture but notice they have bodies and are not spirits, no human spirits in heaven. Cant imagine ghost/spirit people together right now mingling with solid bodied resurrected/raptured people in heaven like Elijah as an example, sounds way off base to me. The immortality of the soul is a false teaching that lends people to talk to the dead, like friends and family, its called necromancy and God forbids it, praying to the Saints and such. He forbids it because the demons love to impersonate the dead and can give us false information or misinformation moving us from the truth found in scripture and into false doctrines.
You fail to realize 2 thst spirit and soul are two different things. One is consciously, the other is what that consciousness does in the body, your life choices and experiences. When you die, your memories stay dead with the body. Your nibd can be damaged while you are still alive, and it changes who you are. It changes your soul. Have you ever been knocked out? Where is your consciousness? So you are incorrect. The temple alwsys has 3 parts. The temple in the bible was symbolic of what the universe and everything is the temple. Spirit +body, gives us the soull. 3 parts. Father, mother, child(ren) 3 parts. Father, Holy spirit, Son. 3 parts. Gidhead, heaven, creation, 3 parts. 3 partsto reproduce (dna, rna, proteins) . Its unfair that the bible has been manipulated to point to a physicsl church. And there are two natures, the carnal and godky nature. One must die. And we must make our spirit and soul one through connection with God by making our soul Godly though Christ
Then take it up with all the people in your church that are doctrinally confused (like Babylon) and say that. I used all the language I hear the “kooky cousins” in your movement always using. Breath of life, oxygen, etc.
@@michaelmutekedza5425 ok goofball. You’re omnipresent and omniscient now to know who I have any haven’t talked to and the goofy theology I’ve heard. Did you miss where I didn’t say that but in the beginning and in passing? I said “breath or oxygen”. But here you are straining at a gnat while swallowing a camel. So predictable.
@@answeringadventism You're NOT a Christian... You're A Fake / Fraud. Doug Never says it's JUST OXYGEN and the fact that you cut the video out of Context shows how Evil You are. Doug has made dozens and dozens of videos Answering this Question over the years and He Never implies that it's nothing special or just air.
I think both arguments here are wrong . To my knowledge , the Body and Soul are how we experience this life , The Spirit is from God which animates us or any other living creatures in life on earth . At death the Spirit of life goes back to GOD and the Soul sleeps until the Resurrection. First or second depending on or accepting Christ or not . Ecclesiastes makes it clear on this .
No one was teaching here. This was an internal critique of a claim. I didn’t even put forth my position. But thanks for demonstrating that you can’t deal with the substance of what’s said. As per usual, you do the SDA pivot.
This guy doesn't have a clue, nor does he know the Scriptures. The majority teaching of the Scriptures is that death is a sleep. 66 verses that teach such.
ONLY GOD, has IMMORTALITY. It will be God's gift to mankind at the resurrection, on Judgement Day. What is the purpose of a Judgement Day, if everyone is judged at death??? Judgement and reward does not occur at our death, but at a FUTURE time appointed by our Creator: Acts 17:31 Because "He hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained***whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead. 1 Tim. 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen. ------- We read in Daniel 12 that the wicked and the just are ASLEEP, and will awake in the future to their rewards: Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. Job understood this as well: Job 14:13 O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me! Jesus divides the "sheep and the goats". This will happen in the future. What is He going to do, take the DEAD OUT OF HEAVEN AND HELL then judge them and send them back to HEAVEN AND HELL? That scenario makes no sense! Matt 25: "Parable of The Sheep and the Goats" 31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: & 41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: We are to study ALL SCRIPTURES that relate to one doctrine , especially from our Savior, & His apostles, not just selected references from the Pauline epistles. Remember nothing stated anywhere which is contrary to what Messiah taught, should be accepted! 2 Tim. 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
Utterly false. John 3:18 “Whoever exercises Faith in him is not to be judged. Whoever does not exercise faith has been judged already, because he has not believed on the name of the only-begotten Son of God.” John 3:36 “The one who exercises faith in the Son has everlasting life; the one who disobeys the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains upon him.” When you die, unless you repent, will be thrown into hell and be there until the resurrection because you received the final punishment.
@@deus_vult8111 Your REALLY don't know your Bible very well. If you did you would have already been aware of these texts: Jesus HIMSELF told of a judgement of the Sheep and the Goats. That occurs yet in the future after the resurrections. You can read about this in Matthew 25:31-46. &
Hebrews 9:27-28 KJV. "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: so Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many" BOTH texts prove that AFTER DEATH there is a Judgement. You don't fly off to heaven or hell when you die as must Christians are taught.
@@mbrown6837 Jesus’ words in Matthew 25 is about the final judgment after the second coming. However, Every man faces a particular judgment when he dies before the his resurrection at the second coming where your soul either goes to Hell (Hades) or to Heaven or Purgatory for cleansing. In the Rich Man and Lazarus, the poor man when to Abraham’s Bosom and the rich man went to Hell (Hades) even though they were buried.
Adventists are bible students , they know and understand bible doctrines. Those who are rooted in the understanding and believing will never be moved or shaken by twisted teachings. Go ahead and do your part led by the spirit in you and Adventists will do their part. Have you ever looked and seen how much God is blessing them 👌💯🙏
I appreciate your Podcast I’m a former Adventist for 27 yrs my wife is a lifelong Adventist we do not attend church. I refuse to step foot in another Adventist church and my wife will not attend another Denominational church. I just pray that god will touch her heart and she sees what the truth/ gospel really is all about. Thank you and God bless.
Blessings, Steve!
Hey steve, maybe go to church with your wife and challenge the SDA doctrines that are taught.
@@SolaScriptura21 Good point!
@@stevemolloy6828 I would suggest learning their prooftexts if you are not.familiar with them.
@@SolaScriptura21 where can I find the proof text I haven’t been in an SDA church in 12 yrs. Thank you
There is a passage in Eclesiastes that says that the body return to dust and the spirit to God (12:7).
Also, the whole 1 Corinthians 15 seems to point out that the spirit and the body is not the same and can be separated in my interpretation.
Verse 44:
"It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body"
And this verse:
"Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption."
I showed these verses to an Adventist friend and he said that "this does not mean what you think", but have not explained why...
The body without the breath of God is just a corpse but when God breath life into Adam he became a living soul that’s what humans are, we are souls, it’s not a separate entity that comes out of us when we die or ascend into heaven, if the dead are already in heaven then who is Christ coming back to earth to resurrect ? Every resurrection in the Bible were a flesh and blood bodily resurrection, Jesus didn’t say Lazarus was a spirit or that he was in heaven, he say Lazarus is dead and he went and resurrect him in the body, even Lazarus sister say to Christ that she know that at the end of the world Christ will resurrect the righteous dead
@@Bajannubian095 A living soul is when the body have the spirit, but the dust alone is not conscious, the conscious part is the spirit, Dust alone can't do anything and there is a separation between what is spirit and what is body, this is show in numerous verses:
John 6:63, James 2:26, 2 Corinthians 5:8, Philippians 1:21-24, Philippians 3:20.
There is also lot of verses that shows that the spirit returns to God (but does not die or does not get in a sleep state):
Genesis 6:3, Psalm 104:29, Psalm 146:4, 1 Samuel 28:19, Luke 23:46.
There are verses that shows conscious after-life:
1 Peter 3:19-20, Revelation 6:9-10, Lazarus and the Rich.
Sleep was used as an euphemism, it is very clear at John 11:11-14, where nobody could understand the idea of "sleep" (which they should if soul-sleep was indeed a thing at the time) until Jesus finally said what it truly is.
The Lazarus idea also does not show that Lazarus is in a unconscious soul-sleep state, in no moment it says that.
Because the main point is to live on earth, it was a good place, considered "very good" by God. When we go, we get in a "waiting condition" like the souls in Revelation 6:9-10 shows to be.
I can go on and on.
1 Cor 14: 13-19
I was reading that last night and what jumped out at me is that as an SDA I was always taught that my mind was what the Bible refers to as our spirit.
Here it is very clear, our mind and our spirit are two distinct things.
Yes. And they often try and say that (I get comments sayin such).
Mark 12:30 decimates that idea also…
“And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’”
Again, differentiated.
@@answeringadventism man, it’s amazing how as an Adventist you read these verses and yet don’t see it! Now you mention that I’m like ‘well of course!’…
@@protestant77 My friend you have presented irrefutable Bible text without the use of single statement from EGW. You didn't traumatize Myles. I am so proud of you.
@@claire9702 The issue is not the deeper meaning of rauch, but how Myles puts the breath of life as an independent component, instead of seen it as the Bible presents it as part of the whole. The whole being a living soul.
@@protestant77 Funny how Adventists throw Bible verses and be triumphalistic about it as if we former Adventists heard it for the first time. We know your arguments through and through. What Myles is doing is present to you the other side that gives you a bigger picture about the nature of man. We former Adventists did not reject those verses that say the dead are asleep, for they really are, their body sleeps in the Lord. But we can't just limit its meaning to what you want it to mean, because the Bible talks about the nature of man in other verses as well. And as Myles presented, there is more to a human than just the body.
thank you for this
SDA apologists are every bit as crafty as the apologists for Mormonism or any other heresy.
You can use natural analogies to prove anything, heresies as well as truth. The analogy that he uses of wood and nails establishes nothing.
Don't call your brothers heretics, there are 51,000 + Christian denominations, but they still are the Church of God. Rev.1: 16 to 20, rev. 2:1, rev. 3:14 to 21. The 2 Witnesses will come out of God's Church (Candlesticks) Rev. 11:3,4. Matthew 24:14. to preach The Gospel of the Kingdom for 42 months to prepare (those heretics) His Church(Candlesticks) for the return of Yeshua (Christ). Shalom!
@JoseHernandez-rt3bt
You guys here to recapture the narrative that you obviously lost when Myles exposed you? Forget about it. Best you repent of Ellen's blasphemous heresies, instead of trying to play King Of The Hill in back and forth arguing.
I was Born a Roman Catholic And I Started to Believe in SDA Doctrine n consider myself an SDA From 2016-2020 . Now I'm A Christian no Longer An SDA , Just a Christian.
I remember I feel like converting All Because I Was So Convince With Soul Sleep Doctrine Was Such a Biblical Truth cause They Used Bible Verse From all Around The Bible , To Psalm , Ecclesiastes, Gen 2, John , 1Thess and So on .......
Bible Flock Box Was The One Who Made Me Convince Adventist and Soul sleep is True , Plus He Was The One Who Introduced me To SDA First time in his You Tube Channel!!!!!
We will be addressing Bible Flock Box in due time. Lots of content to get to.
Do a systematic approach of the topic. Meaning look at what the entire Bible has to say on the topic and see what is consistent. We will also be addressing all the SDA prooftexts in coming videos.
Bible flock box is very deceptive and speaks hypotheses as truth.
On a side note is was very comforting reading your comment "now I'm just a Christian" it's awesome to see people let let go of denominationalism and just rest in Jesus.
@@protestant77 the bible clearly speaks of flesh that lay in the ground asleep(our dead bodies) and the spirit that returns to the father. Ecclesiastes is talking about under the sun here on earth. Rightly divide the word of God
9¶When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held.
10And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?”
11Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.
How do these souls cry out if they can't think or are asleep? How are they told to have patience if they are not conscious?
Watch "Trent Horn admits Bible Flock Box is right about what happens to Christian souls as soon as they die"
I agree with this 💯.
Reading all of the comments below and so much talk about soul and body but everyone is ignoring the "spirit" aspect, which is spoken of SO much in the New Testament.
If you believe so much in soul sleep, what then did Apostle Paul mean by Philippians 1:21-24?
Why did the disciples believe in ghosts if there was no such belief? Mark 6:49
They talk about soul sleeping, but they ignore the fact that Moses died and met with Jesus and Elijah. How can Moses be soul sleeping and remain in the grave and that they will just lay there, but not go to Heaven? To me, this blows the soul sleeping out of the water.
Exactly. So many inconsistencies.
That's why Ellen had to change Scripture to say (In Jude) the Moses was resurrected by Michael the archangel. Read Jude BC it says no such thing--Ellen inserted that in Scripture!!
@@rebeccagable9629 We know God buried Moses, why would there be fighting over the body if there was no intended resurrection?
We see Moses *bodily* speaking to Jesus.
Ephesians 12:7 dust goes back to the earth and our spirit goes back to God who gave it.
Cemetery means sleeping place.
This is the formula as I understand it in the Genesis passage: breath of life + body = living being (complete with brain and mind) aka living soul aka SOUL.
Breath of life = not the Spirit of God but the vitalizing force that gives us life which is from God. This correlates to the Greek term psuchē, used in Math 10:28 and not pneuma.
DB is a master of setting up "straw men" .
I have been a baptized Christian for 62 years, keep all the Commandments, including the annual Feast of Yehovah and the Sabbath. I'm not a SDAC member. The Leaders are responsible for what they teach their followers. Matthew 7: 21 to 29. I understand that after we are baptized will receive the Holy Spirit of God and Christ and the father come to abide with us and we are one with God like Christ and the Father are One. That did not happened at Creation where we received a Spirit from God that go back to God when we died. Remember now we know in part. Shalom.
The term in spirit (in English) are different Greek terms in the Matthew passage and the Romans passage. An indication of something?
Everything l know about SDA was taught to me by Walter Veith. l learned to love the man, and his wife Sonica, and l watch the whole series of ''Total Onslaught'' and his ''Creation' and ''Reformation' series' A LOT of it was SOOO interesting! l heard his testimony .....but in the end l Jesus just led me away from it into ''Reform'' theology. When l listen to online pastors it is usually MacArthur and Sproul. Thank You for your channel. :D
Yes. Walter is not a dumb man. I’m a nobody but I’d love having a discussion with him. He’s a great orator and I think that wins a lot of people over (just like with Doug Batchelor), but there are flaws in a lot of his theological claims. Will be addressing those in due time.
I love Sproul! He was my pastors mentor 🙂
Thank for checking out the channel! God bless!
@@answeringadventism ~ Your welcome! Been watching some other ones also, and subbed. :) Jesus IS KING! Not Ellen.
Sda have to defend the doctrine of the dead other wise it would destroy the investigative judgment
@@protestant77 nonsense
Also would destroy the dietary laws which should put so much emphasis on what you do to this body and how what you do to this body will determine whether or not you get “translated”.
@@Jessaba yea that’s right
Exactly. One error to defend another error (date-setting).
@@rebeccagable9629 Yeap that’s the Adventist garb
"Father, into Your hands I commend my spirit" "His Spirit testifies with our spirit" How can His Spirit testify with our breath?? Doug has got this wrong.
Calvin saw in the doctrine of soul sleep a serious threat to Justification by faith Hence his brilliant essay Psycopanichia [GK for Soul sleep]. He opposed the doctrine because you had to wait for the resurrection to find out if you have eternal life. That smacks of works. He opposed that sense of not knowing with John 1028. If we can know that we have eternal life then it must result from what Christ has done and not from what we shall yet do or have done, see Romans 4:16.
Shame on you Doug teaching such heretical things You need to repent and come to the truth
I was taught as a kid by my mother that when you die your soul climbs out of your body and goes to heaven, where you receive a new body. Then when Jesus comes back you are resurrected from your grave and you receive yet another new body. I grew up confused and couldn't believe this stuff, until I read the Bible for myself and understood the real truth about death and that this transmigration of the soul idea is all baloney.
The reference from Luke- is actually Luke 4:24 not 2:24
All I have to say is really Doug really?
I still struggle with this. I have come to understand many of the doctrines to be wrong but this one is still difficult to break away from. There are passages of scripture that does support the concept of "Soul Sleep" but then there are other passages of scripture that challenges that concept. Thanks for the video. I will continue trusting that the Lord will reveal that truth to me in his time.
Soul sleep is one of the doctrines SDAs hold in common with JWs. It honestly isn't Biblical. Keep asking God to reveal truth to you...
@@rebeccagable9629 it actually is biblical.
Look up Sam Shamoun on any of the topics on "afterlife" or watch his 7 part series on hell. Myles has done some work with him. That's how I found Myles, Sam is a biblical titan.
@@dustins382 Watch "Trent Horn admits Bible Flock Box is right about what happens to Christian souls as soon as they die"
One thing Jesus said trying to make a point that is Jesus is, he said flesh and blood cannot be in same place as the spirit or relm. It has to be changed. In the new covenant it is changed. We go from death to life in Jesus. Jesus defeated death.
Do you even listen to yourself. You are making contradiction on bible verses with your assumptions.
This is why you guys are insufferable. This was an internal critique of your guys’ position, not a positive presentation of my own. I clearly said we were going to be examining the SDA Church’s position, not that I would be teaching you mine.
Right, you’re seeing contradictions because thats the entire point. When critiquing the SDA theory, it contradicts scripture en tota which means it isn’t true. 🤦♂️
@@answeringadventism I have nothing against your critique but dont you think it would take a lot more then just a vidéo to make your point. Probably you could make a vidéo with DB would be alright.
Question, where was Adam before he was formed? Don't be fooled by a fool, because that is where you will be when your dust returns to the earth.
Pray for me!
Will do, Thomas!
@@SabbathDay You can't force me worship on Sabbath!
The concept of man having an immaterial aspect is not greek mythology and paganism that slowly infiltrated the apostolic church. However, we may say that it originated from the father of lies. God's loving and clear instructions were "for the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." The serpent states the opposite of God's specific words, "Ye shall not surely die." Who are we going to believe? The reason that you and I lived in this cursed world is because Adan and Eve disobeyed God's clear and unambiguous words. Who do we want to obey? The teachings of man or the clear teachings of the Bible that teaches us that you and I are a living soul. By the way, in the Bible, animals are also nephesh (soul).
You guys arrive at these conclusions because you see everything through the Great Controversy paradigm.
We literally looked at 6 pericopes of scripture in this video and they all refute what you said. You equates it to doctrine of demons. Interesting.
And you guys, in true fashion, redefine what eternal life means to straw man. Eternal life isn’t simply having a conscious existence indefinitely. It’s a state of being. And apart from God it isn’t life (flourishing), it’s chaos, depravity, etc.
The irony of your comment is Adam was told in the day that he ate of the tree, he would surely die. Did he die that day? Yes, but not physically. Another living aspect of his being died.
You’re proving the point.
@@answeringadventismMy amigo Myles you really have to get over your childhood traumas about EGW. I amsimply saying that the serpent states that you will not surely die and he is saying the opposite of what God is saying. Now if your spirit never dies, then why does God need to restrict Adan and Eve from reaching over and grabbing the fruit of the tree of life. You see Myles you have not refuted my Biblical statements because your premise is faulty. You are imposing a presupposition into your interpretation of Genesis 2:7. This is what you are trying to say: dust (body) +. breath of life, spirit (immaterial, immortal) = living soul. The only problem with your interpretation is that God is immortal (1 Tim 6:16) and not man. I've thoroughly examined all of your 6 Bible texts and none of them suggest that when a person dies, his spirit immediately goes to heaven or hell. Absent from the body and present with the Lord never tells you when this will take place. However, Paul does give us a clue as to when he will receive his reward (1 Timothy 4:7-8) and it is not immediately after he dies.
@@michaelrodriguez6872 that isn’t at all what I’m saying, Mike. Not even close. I can’t make you get it, though. Thanks for stopping by.
"when he opened the fith seal,i saw under the alter the souls of those who had been slain for the Word of God"...Rev 6:9 This is just one of the verses in the Bible that destroys EGW vision on the Investigative judgement
No.. that is language drawn from Gen 4:10 in which Abel’s blood did the same thing …He said, “What hast thou done? The voice of thy brother’s blood crieth unto Me from the ground.”
@@rhb30001 nope not the same thing
@@protestant77 And Jesus said:You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul with all your mind -when sleep is mentioned in the Bible it means our bodies are resting in the grave ,until the ressurection day but oyr soul/spirit goes to God
@@umabrijmohun6720 According to Gen 2:7, soul and spirit are not the same. The spirit is a part of the whole. The whole being the soul.
@@umabrijmohun6720
yep, you are right Uma, Gen 4:10 & Rev 6:9-11 are not the same.
Who dares to call John the revelator a liar when it is HE who "SAW under the alter the souls of those who had been killed......" (v9).
My question to SDA's regarding this verse is "where were these souls before they were seen "under the alter?" Did not these souls at one time inhabit their human body before being killed "because of the word of God, and the testimony they maintained"? (V9)
Not only did John see these souls (v9), John also heard their request being made to "....O Sovereign Lord, holy and true.....". (V10)
Who dares to call John unstable to the point that he actually did not "see and hear" these souls but just made it all up?
V10 says "......they (souls under the alter) CRIED OUT IN A LOUD VOICE". John wrote that this request by these souls was very loud. Was John hearing things?
The souls request to "O Sovereign Lord, holy and true" was "....how long until you judge those who dwell on the earth and avenge our blood". (V10)
If soul-sleep is of a non-existant and a non-conscience state, why would "O Sovereign Lord, holy and TRUE....." even bother to answer this request with ".....wait a little longer until the full number of their fellow servants, brothers and sisters, were to be killed JUST AS THEY HAD BEEN"
Why would God answer a soul that according to SDA's are in a "sleep in death" state?
These souls are ALIVE in the presence of God. There is a two-way conversation taking place in Rev 6:9-11. And the killer blow to the false soul-sleep doctrine is the fact that 1; there are humans waiting to be killed while ON EARTH at the SAME TIME that martryed "souls under the alter" are conversing with God, and God replying to them...in a place other than earth but "under the alter".
2; John is a eye witness and a ear witness of the events in Rev 6:9-11, to which he was commanded to write down (Rev 1:11).
Who dares to call John a false witness giving false testimony after being told to write down.
If one is to call John a liar and a false witness, then he calls Jesus Christ a liar by giving John false information since all of Revelation is from Jesus Christ (Rev 1:1).
Difference #1
Gen 4:10. God is speaking to Cain, with Cain being on earth.
Abel's blood is crying to God FROM THE GROUND. While Rev 6:9-11 God speaks to the souls not from the ground, but some place in God's presence AFTER the killing of the christian body on earth.
Difference #2
Gen 4:10 does not show God ever responding to the "cry" of Abel's blood WITH WORDS. There was no two-way conversation between God and Abel's blood.
However, in Rev 6:9-11 John hears God's spoken words to the souls (v11) "...they were TOLD to wait a little longer until......"
it is a little bit astounding to me, but this box illustration is the same one I heard in the 50's and 60's as a student in Adventist schools and at church as well as in evangelistic meetings.
Even Catholics admit we are not souls trapped in bodies.
Thanks Myles,SDA need to stop depending on their "big shot"pastors and study the Bibles for themselves-all humans have a body, mind and a soul
Yes!
“And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’” - Mark 12:30.
There are so many verses this video could have been 20 minutes longer.
@@answeringadventism I don't depend on the "big shot" pastors and read the Bible for my own.
Excellent thank you
Dough you full of it!!!
ok I get sick and so tired of hearing teachers that should know the word of God, but they dont even know themselves !Or the word of God.
Heb 4:12
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. soul and spirit , soul and spirit, The soul and spirit! two separate things ! Not the same thing as Pastor Doug said " analogy that our soul or Spirit of which
Doug used interchangeably is our breath
in combination with our physical body.
We are spirit we have a soul and we are enslaved in this body.
Did you just say that theres something about us that can be put in a new body? Like a new resurrection body??
New body = someone’s body, glorified. A body given glorification.
I think Doug is saying that you cannot be physically and mentally alive on this earth with a body and soul. People are not walking around on earth without a soul, and souls aren't floating around without a body. I believe the state of the dead is a sleep. In death our soul goes back to the creator, I don't believe our soul is as ourselves hanging out in heaven while our physical body is dead waiting for the resurrection of our physical bodies on earth to be raised.
John 5:29
"And shall come forth; they that have done good, to the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, to the resurrection of damnation."
This is standard fare SDA presentation. We played a small stint because it isn’t necessary to make a 45 minute video. The SDA churches position is very plainly stated and Doug is simply regurgitating it.
It doesn’t stand the test of scripture systematically (meaning, looking at what the entirety of scripture says in the topic).
@@answeringadventism Are you sure that the SDA belief on the state of the dead doesn't stand the test of scripture or would Myles interpretation not stand the test of scripture?
@@michaelrodriguez6872
What a lame attempt for an answer.
You and your cult are wrong and no amount of deflection will change the color
@@nonconformist4802 It’s the scripture that determine who is right and who is wrong. When Satan posed his version of the scriptures, Jesus corrected Satan’s misinterpretation. Here is what pose to you, nonconformist. Genesis 2:7 clear state the nature of man: dust of the (body) plus breath of life (spirit) equal living soul. Body and spirit are components that make up the whole (soul). When you compare every single Bible text with this formula, all of them are in harmony with this basic formula. Example, Ez 19:20, “The soul that sinneth, it shall surely die,” Adan transgressed the law ( sinned) and Gen 5:5 states “And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died,” Adan is a living soul and since he sinned, he died. His body decomposed and his spirit returned to the life giver. Adan (nephesh-soul-life) is not immortal because he lost that privilege when he left the garden. He no longer had access to the tree of life, his source of life. So this is the foundation of the nature of man that the Bible teaches. We can only have life through Jesus. The teaching of the immortality of the soul makes inefficient what Jesus has done for us in the cross. As for me and my house, I’ll stick with this version of the narrative and of I rest in Jesus, my hope is in the resurrection of the saints and not on the inmortal soul teachings which is foreign to the narrative of the scripture. Now nonconformist, what is your narrative of the nature of man? Is it based on the Bible or the commandments of man? Have a blessed day my brother.
@@michaelrodriguez6872
_When you compare every single Bible text_
What a lot of hogwash
1) The book of Revelation clearly said they that died in Christ *ARE* conscious
2) The book of Revelation clearly said that they who died without Christ are tormented for a 1000 years, no BS about after a whole they are puffed up in mere smoke and don't exist anymore.
_what is your narrative of the nature of man? Is it based on the Bible or the commandments of man?_
This is the kind of question you must ask yourself, for your all depends upon EGW and not on the Bible.
_Have a blessed day my brother_
You have it wrong hear, my brothers and sisters are Christians, not pretenders with a christian sugar coating to make them smell better. I AM NOT YOUR BROTHER.
In 1517 Martin Luther posted his famous 95 Theses regarding the errors of the Catholic Church. In defending many of these later in 1520 he listed the idea “that the soul is immortal” as among “all these endless monstrosities in the Roman dunghill of decretals” (Assertion of All the Articles of M. Luther Condemned by the Latest Bull of Leo X, Art. 27, Works of Luther, Weimar ed., Vol. 7). Luther’s main concern in this was the Catholic conception of the conscious torment of souls in purgatory, which he rejected.
Not long afterward he wrote: “It is probable, in my opinion, that, with very few exceptions indeed, the dead sleep in utter insensibility till the day of judgment . . . On what authority can it be said that the souls of the dead may not sleep . . . in the same way that the living pass in profound slumber the interval between their downlying at night and their uprising in the morning?” (Letter to Nicholas Amsdorf, Jan. 13, 1522, quoted by Jules Michelet, The Life of Luther, translated by William Hazlitt, 1862, p. 133).
“Solomon judges that the dead are asleep, and feel nothing at all. For the dead lie there accounting neither days nor years, but when are awaked, they shall seem to have slept scarce one minute” (An Exposition of Solomon’s Book, Called Ecclesiastes or the Preacher, 1553, folio 151v).
“Thus after death the soul goes to its bedchamber and to its peace, and while it is sleeping it does not realize its sleep, and God preserves the awakening soul. God is able to awake Elijah, Moses, and others . . . so that they will live. But how can that be? That we do not know; we satisfy ourselves with the example of bodily sleep, and with what God says: it is a sleep, a rest, and a peace” (Interpretation of the First Book of Moses, Writings, Vol. 1)
Why do you guys pick and choose which stuff you like and don't like from people. You guys do this with Rome when you think they're saying something that furthers your agenda, you do it with Luther and the Reformers, etc.
What's your point? Because Luther said it therefore it's true? Are you trying to pove even a Reformer held this idea? This isn't news, Jason. I'm Reformed. I've read much of the Reformers and have for quite some time now. You didn't deal with any of the scriptures from the video showing the inconsistency in the SDA theory on this.
@@answeringadventism You may know it but many may not. I share so that people understand this is not a new theology that is unique to SDA and others have studied the word of God and concluded that its a biblical teaching. Honestly Friend, as long as you don't believe the dead can communicate with you I don't have any problem with your ideology of going to heaven at death, I do think it is in error but i still believe you can have a personal relationship with Jesus. I don't think It is a salvational issue as long as you know they cannot communicate with you. I think it is a dangerous teaching on this merit alone, to be clear the dead do not know anything. Your theology teaches the next thought is heaven or hell and my theology says the same thing. May be different on the hell part as defined but none the less the conscience thought is parallel. My theology says the next conscience thought is seeing Jesus. The only difference I see is when judgment is executed or the reward is executed but that is tit for tat.
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Since you mentioned Martin Luther and you claim that Adventistm is the ONLY ONE TRUE REMNANT religion denomination church of being the Completers of the Protestant Reformation movement.....
And since you mentioned the 95 theses of Martin Luther
Then these two questions should be EXTREMELY EASY for you to ANSWER giving you the opportunity RIGHT HERE and RIGHT NOW to defend WHAT Adventism believes and WHY Adventism believes it in regarding the Protestant Reformation movement in order to give an ANSWER to EVERYONE who asks 1st Peter 3 : 15
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Of the 95 theses that Martin Luther the Protestant Reformer nailed to the Wittenberg Castle church in GERMANY on October 31,1517 which one talks about keeping the Saturday Sabbath Holy or going to church on Saturday's ?
Much less ANY Sabbath gathering at a Saturday Sabbath church ?
Of the two schools of thought of the Protestant Reformation movement which of the two would BEST describe the Closing of the Heavenly Sanctuary doctrine of being on MASONIC Probation Eternal life of the Investigative Judgment and the father of LIES the Devil as the SCAPEGOAT ?
Job 27:3 All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils
Luk 23:46:
"46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."
Not talking about oxygen. 😢
Acts 17:32 KJV - And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked: and others said, We will hear thee again of this matter.
Pagans don't believe in resurrection, because they believe we have immortal souls. There is not a single" immortal soul" in the whole Bible.
God said: Genesis 2:17 thou shalt surely die.
Satan said: Genesis 3:4 Ye shall not surely die:
Demons communicate to people in the form of dead people to convince the world that people don't really die when they die. There's no consciousness without a working brain. Lights go out and you need someone to resurrect you.
Haha. The GK Chesterton joke was funny! Funny because as a former 2nd-gen SDA, I know how Adventists hate anything Roman Catholic. I used to be like that. So imagine their reaction when I told my friends I am now a Catholic. They thought I had a loose screw! Reading too much does "that" (loosing screws) to you! Unfortunately, instead of being curious, my Catholicism is now a barrier for deeper discussion. They just despise Catholics. I know many Protestants do, but Adventist apprehension to them is on another level. So, I avoid announcing I'm now Catholic or else they'll avoid me like a plague. I only reveal it to those who ask and I deem as truth-seekers.
Im glad you appreciated it. Love me some Chesterton 🙂
We don't hate Roman Catholics. There are many sincere people in Catholicism. As you know, part of the three angels message is to warn the world against the mark of the beast.
@@michaelrodriguez6872 When I say Adventists hate Roman Catholics, I meant that they hate the Church and their teachings. I recognize that you are respectful and you love Catholics as persons, but you hate their theology and you despise their history.
My SDA friends don't hate me as a person, but they hate what I represent as a convinced Catholic. They know now that I'm not an ignorant Catholic that needs to be saved from ignorance. I'm someone who actually embraced Catholic theology wholeheartedly while rejecting Adventism. They also know how deep I know Adventism's theology, as I was a theology student, and also an elder in our local church for over a decade. So imagine how it doesn't compute to them, and perhaps to you, that I can embrace Catholicism and reject Adventism. Both theologies I know deeply now, and I made a conscious and educated choice.
@@raeldc Basically we are warning the world against the claims of the papal system. It was clearly prophecy in Daniel and Revelation and as you know the historical prophetic school of interpretation did not originate with Adventism. It was the prophetic school used by protestants. Even competing popes would call each other antichrist during the Middle Ages, so our interpretations of the little horn of Daniel 7 is not unique to Adventism.
@@michaelrodriguez6872 The thing is, you're only getting your history from secondary sources. Why not read primary sources and let them speak about history without bringing your bias. Find out if history actually fits your interpretation of prophecy. It took me years to research and verify this, so I don't think an online discussion such as this one could change your mind. I also don't think you're ready to re-evaluate your Adventism. I was like you brother. I was very comfortable Adventist, with a very lovely community. And I really could not have predicted that I'll become Catholic coming from my Adventist background. It took a lot of contemplation and prayer to get to where I am more than intellectual research and knowledge. So I don't expect you to change your mind without God's grace truly working in you, and you allowing him to open your mind. Keep an open mind, and heart.
Tyndale: “And you, in putting them [departed souls] in heaven, hell, and purgatory, destroy the arguments wherewith Christ and Paul prove the resurrection . . . And again, if the souls be in heaven, tell me why they be not in as good [a] case as the angels be? And then what cause [or reason] is there of the resurrection?” (An Answer to Sir Thomas More’s Dialogue, Book 4, chap. 4).
“The true faith puts [forth] the resurrection . . . The heathen philosophers, denying that, did put [forth] that the souls did ever live [as immortal]. And the pope joins the spiritual doctrine of Christ and the fleshly doctrine of philosophers together; things so contrary that they cannot agree, no more than the Spirit and the flesh do in a Christian man. And because the fleshly-minded pope consents unto heathen doctrine, therefore he corrupts the Scripture to establish it.”
“And when he [Thomas More] proves that the saints be in heaven in glory with Christ already, saying, ‘If God be their God, they be in heaven, for he is not the God of the dead’ [as More tried to argue from Jesus’ point in Matthew 22:31-32]; there he steals away Christ’s argument, wherewith he proves the resurrection: that Abraham and all saints should rise again, not that their souls were in heaven; which doctrine was not yet in the world. And with that doctrine he takes away the resurrection quite, and makes Christ’s argument of none effect.”
Moreover, Tyndale makes poignant use of the apostle Paul’s statement that Christians are most pitiable, or miserable, if there is no resurrection (1 Corinthians 15:16-19) and of his instruction that Christians should comfort one another over lost loved ones with the hope of the resurrection at Christ’s return (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18). This instruction would make no sense if those loved ones are now awake in heaven. As Tyndale sarcastically presents it:
“‘Nay, Paul, you are unlearned; go to Master [Thomas] More, and learn a new way. We be not most miserable, though we rise not again; for our souls go to heaven as soon as we be dead, and are there in as great joy as Christ that is risen again.’ And I marvel that Paul had not comforted the Thessalonians with that doctrine, if he had wist [known] it, that the souls of their dead had been in joy; as he did with the resurrection, that their dead should rise again. If the souls be in heaven, in as great glory as the angels, after your doctrine, show me what cause should be of the resurrection.”
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The bible say when you dead...you dead.
Why don't you engage with pastor Batchelor so you have a one on one debate. Personally i would love to see it
Won’t happen. If you can make it happen I’d be glad to. But Doug isn’t going to debate me. I’m a nobody.
Genesis 2.7 :" Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being " - SOLA SCRIPTURA 😉
A living soul. It does not say a living being.
ATTENTION! JASHO BEAM! -summon your pastor & two elders
I need SOMEONE to accept the testimony of Jesus.
Somehow I felt that you are completely confused by your own understanding...... you need to study well before you teach. Because wrong teachings will effect you more than other.
I’m not teaching. We did a testing of a claim by reading scriptures SDAs won’t mention in these run of the mill presentations. We read scripture and then utilized basic critical thinking. It doesn’t take a Th.D or M.Div to see this.
@@answeringadventism You are definitely teaching your interpretation of the state of the dead.
@@michaelrodriguez6872 you’re right, actually! I stand corrected. I’m teaching people to think critically with an IQ higher than room temperature which then allows them to see how weak SDA theology is.
@@answeringadventism Myles you know deep down in your heart that the SDA theology has a solid foundation.
I’m somewhat confused that a lot guys apparently went through 5th grade but do not understand Genesis 2:7. Sounds stupid.
Bible teaches both concepts. But the idea of immortality of the soul is the idea that is affirmed the most in Jesus , the gospels and epistles . The second temple era was way to influential to say immortality of the soul is not in the Bible . It was and affirmed by Jesus
Spirit, breath, life and mind are interchangeable in the bible when translated, so you have to really study and remember the bible doesn't contradict itself, need to go to original language.
If it is not soul sleep what s Jesus raising from the dead at the second coming?
SDA and EGW are making God a liar. He said they will die that day. EGW says they started dying (began slowly to die) that day. That makes God a liar.
But He didn’t lie. They died that day. Spiritually. That’s why we are born spiritually dead. That’s why we need to be born again.
@@frazierwoods9912 They died that day physically?
@@frazierwoods9912 What God said to them is that they will die that day. I believe God. They died that day! Not physically. Spiritually. We are born spiritually dead. That’s why we need God to make us alive. I see it in many verses, as for example: Colossians 2:13 “When you were DEAD in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you ALIVE with Christ.”
@@frazierwoods9912 I must not acknowledge both. What I must acknowledge is what the Bible tells me.
@@frazierwoods9912 You’re desperately trying to push this into what you want it to be, for whatever the reason you believe it that way. It’s fine with me. If that’s how you want it, good for you. I know what I believe and why I believe it.
@@frazierwoods9912 You are missing the whole point.
Good video bro. Excellent breakdown.
Human Spirit is Only conscious when body and spirit are still together, just like the body is conscious when still United with the spirit
Except, as shown, that isn’t what scripture teaches. But ok! One can be pleasing to the Lord AWAY from their body. Jesus places a dichotomy between the soul and the body, clearly demonstrating that there’s a difference and the soul isn’t a result of the body.
If He said to not fear man who can kill the body and do nothing else, but fear him who can cast both soul AND body in hell, your guys’ theory would mean man can kill both soul and body, making Jesus’ statement pointless. 😂😅
@@answeringadventism "David is not in Heaven..." Scripture says Acts2:34 KJV, and this was 2k after his demise but still Peter said he isn't in heaven but in the grave. So if your interpretation were true, then Peter According to you was lying Under The Influence Of The Spirit. Because David was Man Of God's Heart, He would only be in Heaven if the dead go to heaven. But scripture is clear, only the living go to Heaven 1 Th4:16-17 and not the other way round, that is why the dead need to be resurrected in order to go there
@@michaelmutekedza5425 right, Jesus’ words refuted you and your theory would mean man CAN kill the body and soul both so now you’re running to another verse, as per usual with you guys.
Thanks for demonstrating the weakness of your guys’ position.
@@answeringadventism : So you saying Peter Lied Under The Influence Of The Spirit, because according to you David Is in fact in Heaven?
@@michaelmutekedza5425 typical SDA tactic again, Mike. You got busted and now you have to pivot.
Also, you’re the last person to be talking about the Spirit being a liar seeing as you follow a prophetess who contradicted what the Spirit of God has already revealed on numerous occasions, making Him a liar. Maybe sit this one out.
Christ's kingdom is a spiritual kingdom. Does that mean that it's floating around somewhere in some ether? NO. Sorry but you are misunderstanding the term spirit. Concepts can also be spirit. Sorry, old English strikes again. We need better translations.
Devil always twist the truth
I personally think the bible isn’t clear on this as there are contradictions! So you could say Adventist ate right and also say they are wrong based on scripture!
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this video fails miserably, Adventist church do not teach that you don't have a spirit, so all these verses that your using are irrelevant, you failed to mention one verse that actually teaches that a human can be conscious with a spirit alone, and you ignored all the clear Bible teachings about soul sleep upon death, SDA teaches that the dead will live again after the resurrection, which is the whole point of the resurrection at the second coming, the bible clearly teaches that man returns to dust and the spirit returns to God who gave it, and that the dead have absolutely no knowledge in the grave,until Jesus come again to resurrection, but you don't care about that you just want to be ghost and fly away to heaven immediately you don't need a resurrection and you blaspheme God by saying that you don't need that body that he gave you to exist
No, you just failed to track with what was said. I didn't say the SDA Church teaches we DON'T have a spirit. I said they teach our spirit does not possess consciousness upon separation from the body. Your entire critique was based on missing the point.
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your entire critique does not show a conscious spirit without a body, your entire critique ignores all Bible teachings relating death to an unconscious sleep, all those verses about having a spirit wrestling with the desires of the body proves nothing, the word spirit simply means 'unseen power' in the bible just like wind, which literally what the Hebrew and greek words for spirit means, Jesus related being born of the spirit like the wind as well, you failed to prove a spirit is a conscious being without a body
@@divoryy and yet, you have yet to provide any exegetical basis for your claims. The position is so weak all one has to do is examine it in light of all of scripture and see if it contradicts. Which it does. Hence why all that was needed to bury this idea was to examine it in light of scripture.
Tell you what! Since I’m so confused and unlearned, holding a seemingly unbiblical position, how’s about you come onto my show and we will examine who is and isn’t properly utilizing scripture? Sound good? Should be easy, right?
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'This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 'John 6:39
This is Jesus’s promise, to be resurrected on the last day, not going to heaven immediately upon death
'Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth- those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. ' John 5:28-29
People are will be in their graves not in heaven when Jesus returns
'And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, Some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting contempt.' Daniel 12:2
Sleep….awake, self-explanatory
'And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. ' Matthew 10:28
This verse that you are manipulating, in the light of the scriptures encourages believers not to fear those who can kill this temporary body, because God will provide an immortal body for them at the resurrection, but those who fear men and disobey God, shall have their bodies and souls (their entire being) destroyed at the resurrection of the judgment
'For dust you are, And to dust you shall return.”' Genesis 3:19
Do you see where the dead go ? to dust ! they return to being nothing !
'For the living know that they will die; But the dead know nothing.' Ecclesiastes 9:5
How would you know nothing if you are conscious ?!
'The dead do not praise the Lord , Nor any who go down into silence.'Psalms 115:17
Silence ! cannot praise ! why would you be silent and not praise if you are conscious ?
'For in death there is no remembrance of You; In the grave who will give Youthanks?' Psalms 6:5
why would you not remember and thank God if you are conscious ?
'“What profit is there in my blood, When I go down to the pit(Sheol/grave)? Will the dust praise You? Will it declare Your truth?' Psalms 30:9
Man returns to being dust that cannot praise? where is your heaven here ?
'For Sheol cannot thank You, Death cannot praise You; Those who go down to the pit cannot hope for Your truth.' Isaiah 38:18
'Consider and hear me, O Lord my God; Enlighten my eyes, Lest I sleep the sleep of death;' Psalms 13:3
'Adrift among the dead, Like the slain who lie in the grave, Whom You remember no more, And who are cut off from Your hand.' Psalms 88:5
'So David rested with his fathers, and was buried in the City of David. ' I Kings 2:10
David rested in his sleep, he didn’t go anywhere, that’s what you do when you sleep you rest
'Awake and sing, you who dwell in dust;' Isaiah 26:19
Again…the dead are sleeping in the dust waiting to awake, this is a prophecy of the resurrection
'So man lies down and does not rise. Till the heavens are no more, They will not awake Nor be roused from their sleep.' Job 14:12
But you know better than Job don’t you ?
'These things He said, and after that He said to them, “Our friend Lazarus sleeps, but I go that I may wake him up.” Then His disciples said, “Lord, if he sleeps he will get well.” However, Jesus spoke of his death, but they thought that He was speaking about taking rest in sleep. Then Jesus said to them plainly, “Lazarus is dead. ' John 11:11-14
Lazarus is dead = Lazarus sleeps
'Then he knelt down and cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not charge them with this sin.” And when he had said this, he fell asleep.' Acts 7:60
Steven slept when he died, he did not go anywhere did he ?
'“Men and brethren, let me speak freely to you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. “For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he says himself: ‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at My right hand,' Acts 2:29,34
Why would Peter say that David is not in heaven yet ?
'and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.” '
II Peter 3:4
The dead fathers have been sleeping from the beginning up to that day as per Peter’s statement
'if indeed, having been clothed, we shall not be found naked. For we who are in this tent groan, being burdened, not because we want to be unclothed, but further clothed, that mortality may be swallowed up by life. ' II Corinthians 5:3-4
Paul refers to being dead as being naked, unclothed, he does not like it ! he awaits his new immortal living body, he does not marvel in being a conscious spirit
'But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus. For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. '
I Thessalonians 4:13-15
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'And all these, having obtained a good testimony through faith, did not receive the promise, God having provided something better for us, that they should not be made perfect apart from us.' Hebrews 11:39-40
Why would Paul say about all the old testament saints have not received the promise yet, if they are a spirit dwelling in heaven now ?!
'For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.'
We will not be “always with the Lord” until that day that both the living and the sleeping dead are caught up to Jesus
'In My Father’s house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also. 'John 14:2-3
Jesus promises to return to take us back to him, he does not promise that we will go to him immediately after death !
'that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death, if, by any means, I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.' Philippians 3:10-11
Paul groans for the resurrection, not for being a bodiless spirit !
'But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. '
I Corinthians 15:20-23
'Finally, there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will give to me on that Day, and not to me only but also to all who have loved His appearing.' II Timothy 4:8
Paul is waiting to be rewarded on Jesus’s second coming not immediately after death
This also aligns perfectly with the remainder of the scripture that states that the judgment isn't concluded yet for anyone to go anywhere
'But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, who “will render to each one according to his deeds”: 'Romans 2:5-6
'“And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. 'Revelation 22:12
'For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works. ' Matthew 16:27
'He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him- the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day. ' John 12:48
'“When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: ' Matthew 25:31-34
I’m sorry brother, but no one is going anywhere until Jesus returns, only then the sleeping dead shall awake, and the living's bodies shall be changed
'Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed- For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”' I Corinthians 15:51,53-54
I hope this is enough scripture for you
@@divoryy so you demonstrated you can copy and paste. Good one.
I didn’t figure you’d actually come on and discuss it yourself. You’re so sure my position isn’t biblical, but not sure enough that you can actually discuss it face to face. Dime a dozen.
Doug needs to go to seminary, a real one, and then maybe he can actually understand the actual facts.
Actually Myles preconceived ideas are not letting Gen 2:7 speak for itself. The text is extremely simple if you don't mix it with platonic ideologies. Body plus breath of life equals living soul. Myles sees the breath of life as having inherent life. Unfortunately the Bible clearly states that for man to continue to live, it needed the tree of life.
@@michaelrodriguez6872 your calling Paul platonic? Genesis is not saying what you think it says. Humans are more than meat bags, we have souls.
@@mmtoss6530 Paul would also tell you that his teachings of living soul is aligned with the other prophets of the Bible. Noticed that I simply stated Genesis 2:7 as a formula. According to the clear and unambiguous Bible scripture is that you and I are a living soul. Within that soul, I have a spiritual component. What is Genesis saying?
Not likely to happen.
SDA's think they have the real truth and all other groups are aberrant.
They teach there own the same mistake but Doug was in his cave getting insight I guess?
Translations from the Greek and Hebrew to English can really mess people up. Adam became a living soul: soul meaning body and God's living breath. After God breathed into Adam His breath of life [pneuma = spirit], Adam became alive and was able to function and think and use his mind/the inner man. I am having a really hard time believing that we have people spirits and people who have solid bodies in heaven right now co-mingling up there together, doesn't feel right to me or makes any sense. In other words Elijah, who was raptured (having a solid body, not experiencing death) and the first fruits at the crucifixion, a group of saints still in their graves who were resurrected at Jesus" crucifixion- Matthew 27:51-54 and now having solid bodies mingling together with spirit people in heaven is very odd. Remember when Jesus was resurrected He displayed His real solid body to Thomas and could eat fish and honey Luke 24:42-43 , spirits cant eat real solid food. Jesus even said I am not a spirit, anyways its clear that the righteous dead will be resurrected to have real, yet glorified bodies like Jesus when Jesus returns and they will eat from the tree of life, a real tree, not a spirit tree, spirits cant eat. You dont die and go to heaven or hell right away in a spirit form that would negate the need for the resurrection. Jesus Himself called death sleep, because when your body thoroughly dies so does your brain and you can no longer have any consciousness. We have to be either resurrected or raptured having bodies with a functioning brain to have consciousness , in both incidences solid bodies are indicated and they will eat from the tree of life, a real tree not a spirit tree. The near death experiences actually comes from your brain, a living brain, usually from lack of oxygen and is able to cause one to project outside of onesself. Its a place in the brain where God gives people the capability to go into vision etc. like the prophets in the bible. Demons can use it too.
In depth study using the Greek and Hebrew- sthelenaca.adventistchurch.org/about/worship-with-us/bible-studies/dr-erwigane/immortalsoul#:~:text=According%20to%20Jesus%2C%20where%20can,distinction%20between%20soul%20and%20body.
John 14:2-6 NKJV I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, *I will come again and receive you to Myself*; that where I am, there you may be also. (This scripture is telling us we have to wait until Jesus comes back for us, this is referring to the great harvest at His second appearance in the clouds). Adam was never a spirit or ghost, not before his creation and not after and Adam is still waiting in the grave until Jesus returns just like King David, Acts 2. Actually there are some in heaven right now as are recorded from scripture but notice they have bodies and are not spirits, no human spirits in heaven. Cant imagine ghost/spirit people together right now mingling with solid bodied resurrected/raptured people in heaven like Elijah as an example, sounds way off base to me. The immortality of the soul is a false teaching that lends people to talk to the dead, like friends and family, its called necromancy and God forbids it, praying to the Saints and such. He forbids it because the demons love to impersonate the dead and can give us false information or misinformation moving us from the truth found in scripture and into false doctrines.
Good topic
I like your things but why tattoos all over please
You are using asatanicly inifluepired book -thus can come come to incorrect conclusions.
You fail to realize 2 thst spirit and soul are two different things. One is consciously, the other is what that consciousness does in the body, your life choices and experiences. When you die, your memories stay dead with the body. Your nibd can be damaged while you are still alive, and it changes who you are. It changes your soul. Have you ever been knocked out? Where is your consciousness? So you are incorrect.
The temple alwsys has 3 parts. The temple in the bible was symbolic of what the universe and everything is the temple. Spirit +body, gives us the soull. 3 parts.
Father, mother, child(ren) 3 parts. Father, Holy spirit, Son. 3 parts. Gidhead, heaven, creation, 3 parts. 3 partsto reproduce (dna, rna, proteins) . Its unfair that the bible has been manipulated to point to a physicsl church. And there are two natures, the carnal and godky nature. One must die. And we must make our spirit and soul one through connection with God by making our soul Godly though Christ
Yes the soul doesn't go to hell alone without the body as you teach.
Except Jesus placed a dichotomy between the two and you guys teach the soul is a result of the body combined with the “breath of life”, so nice try.
Oxygen analogue was just a straw man from you
Then take it up with all the people in your church that are doctrinally confused (like Babylon) and say that. I used all the language I hear the “kooky cousins” in your movement always using. Breath of life, oxygen, etc.
@@answeringadventism oxygen? You know this is staff you made up, no one teaches that the Breath Of Life Is Oxygen
@@michaelmutekedza5425 ok goofball. You’re omnipresent and omniscient now to know who I have any haven’t talked to and the goofy theology I’ve heard.
Did you miss where I didn’t say that but in the beginning and in passing? I said “breath or oxygen”. But here you are straining at a gnat while swallowing a camel. So predictable.
@@answeringadventism goofball best describes a person who makes videos like yours, which are not coherent With God's Word.
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You're NOT a Christian...
You're A Fake / Fraud.
Doug Never says it's JUST OXYGEN and the fact that you cut the video out of Context shows how Evil You are.
Doug has made dozens and dozens of videos Answering this Question over the years and He Never implies that it's nothing special or just air.
I think both arguments here are wrong . To my knowledge , the Body and Soul are how we experience this life , The Spirit is from God which animates us or any other living creatures in life on earth . At death the Spirit of life goes back to GOD and the Soul sleeps until the Resurrection. First or second depending on or accepting Christ or not . Ecclesiastes makes it clear on this .
I dont real think you understand what you areteaching bro. You just deceiving ppl, becarefuly bro.
No one was teaching here. This was an internal critique of a claim. I didn’t even put forth my position.
But thanks for demonstrating that you can’t deal with the substance of what’s said. As per usual, you do the SDA pivot.
This guy doesn't have a clue, nor does he know the Scriptures. The majority teaching of the Scriptures is that death is a sleep. 66 verses that teach such.
ONLY GOD, has IMMORTALITY. It will be God's gift to mankind at the resurrection, on Judgement Day. What is the purpose of a Judgement Day, if everyone is judged at death???
Judgement and reward does not occur at our death, but at a FUTURE time appointed by our Creator:
Acts 17:31
Because "He hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained***whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
1 Tim. 6:16
Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
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We read in Daniel 12 that the wicked and the just are ASLEEP, and will awake in the future to their rewards:
Dan 12:2
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
Job understood this as well:
Job 14:13
O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me!
Jesus divides the "sheep and the goats". This will happen in the future. What is He going to do, take the DEAD OUT OF HEAVEN AND HELL then judge them and send them back to HEAVEN AND HELL? That scenario makes no sense!
Matt 25:
"Parable of The Sheep and the Goats"
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
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41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
We are to study ALL SCRIPTURES that relate to one doctrine , especially from our Savior, & His apostles, not just selected references from the Pauline epistles. Remember nothing stated anywhere which is contrary to what Messiah taught, should be accepted!
2 Tim. 3:16
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
Utterly false.
John 3:18 “Whoever exercises Faith in him is not to be judged. Whoever does not exercise faith has been judged already, because he has not believed on the name of the only-begotten Son of God.”
John 3:36 “The one who exercises faith in the Son has everlasting life; the one who disobeys the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains upon him.”
When you die, unless you repent, will be thrown into hell and be there until the resurrection because you received the final punishment.
@@deus_vult8111 Your REALLY don't know your Bible very well. If you did you would have already been aware of these texts:
Jesus HIMSELF told of a judgement of the Sheep and the Goats. That occurs yet in the future after the resurrections. You can read about this in Matthew 25:31-46.
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Hebrews 9:27-28 KJV. "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: so Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many"
BOTH texts prove that AFTER DEATH there is a Judgement. You don't fly off to heaven or hell when you die as must Christians are taught.
@@mbrown6837 Jesus’ words in Matthew 25 is about the final judgment after the second coming. However, Every man faces a particular judgment when he dies before the his resurrection at the second coming where your soul either goes to Hell (Hades) or to Heaven or Purgatory for cleansing. In the Rich Man and Lazarus, the poor man when to Abraham’s Bosom and the rich man went to Hell (Hades) even though they were buried.
Adventists are bible students , they know and understand bible doctrines.
Those who are rooted in the understanding and believing will never be moved or shaken by twisted teachings.
Go ahead and do your part led by the spirit in you and Adventists will do their part.
Have you ever looked and seen how much God is blessing them 👌💯🙏