#46 Kubota B2601 Compact Tractor Tipping Point?
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- How steep of a grade can you ride on before a compact tractor tips over? Today I'll do a non-scientific test with a floor jack to see how far the Kubota B2601 compact tractor will go before it falls over. Never ride with your front end loader fully extended or above hood level. This changes the center of gravity tremendously, causing the tractor to become top heavy and dangerous.
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This may apply to the B2301, B2401, LX2610, LX series, BX series, L series, MX series, M series, and even many other Kubota, John Deere, Mahindra, or other brands of tractors.
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I think a good preface to this video would have been the disclaimer "No tractors were injured in making this video".....:) Good info
I got a tire in a hole a couple times when I was digging out palmettos in my yard and the tractor tilted pretty good even with the bucket low. High pucker factor. When I was younger and dumber I used to pop wheelies with a skid steer by putting the bucket high and giving both sticks all she had. 😄
I’ve done my share of *dumb*. Can’t say I’ve fully outgrown it :)
Great experiment. Glad it was your tractor and not mine! :). From the old truck jumping videos, we know you’re a daredevil!
Haha thanks Chad. What fun is life without being a little daring? :)
It kind of reminds me of Mr Roger's neighborhood. Mr Jack lives in my neighborhood too. Next door to Mr Bobcat. The pucker factor will always tell you when your in a bad spot. Nice video. 👍
Well this was interesting! I checked the slope in my back yard just now, it’s 18 degrees which I mow with a Kubota BX going around the hill doesn’t feel too bad. Of course that’s mild compared to some areas we work. But definitely wouldn’t want to run with a loader raised up in the air on that slope.
Great video! The hard part about predicting a tip over point is there are just to many variables. Weight of load in Loader, driver weight, slope, stability of ground, the momentum of the tractor and more. The momentum is one that most don’t think about. Parked on a slope is much different than driving on a slope.
So true. Great points. Thanks for watching!
It's easier then you would think recovering from a potential roll over.. number one drop the loader to the ground
Good information and examples of situations that many may incure while on their tractors. Enjoyed it!
Thank so much, Doug. Glad you enjoyed the video! -Ed
Nice 2601, great points! You don’t even want to see my garage lol, take care!
Cool video. I’m new to my compact tractor and am really over cautious so good to see this to reassure me a bit
I think it’s a good idea to still be overcautious! Thank you!
I'm glad you did his Ed. My property has some steep areas that I won't even dare venture but most of it is 10 -15 degrees. The scary part is using the grapples because as we all know they leave stuff hanging so you tend to lift your bucket higher during transportation. I usually end up dragging and losing half of it on the ground that I later go pick up with my quad and trailer.
Good Stuff. Like the “real” world test! Ken B2601
Glad you liked it! Thanks for watching.
Certainly made me nervous! Great video with great information.
Thanks David!
I live and work on the side of a mountain. I just bought a sub-compact tractor for hauling stuff and grading gravel driveways --but NOT for mowing. I have learned much of what you show so capably in this video: tractors are tippy. I have wheel spacers in and ballasted tires and I keep all implements as low as possible, but it still gets a bit hair raising sometimes. Thanks for this, it would have been interesting to repeat the process with the loader down and see how much more stable it would have been.
Thanks very much!
Great illustration of tipping point. I had a near miss with my old B7500 mowing a small bank in my front yard Years ago. Had been mowing without the FEL with no issue, then one day I had the FEL on with the bucket a couple of feet off the ground and the back wheel lifted off the ground and I had to drop the loader quickly to regain balance. Looked just like your example. Great video!👍
Close call! Thanks for watching.
Interesting, entertaining and a just a little bit crazy, Ed! You had me questioning if you were going to be buying a third loader.
THAT would NOT be fun 😄
Haha some good humor in this video. The gaff tape made me instantly wonder if you had worked in the entertainment industry. Very good video
Thanks very much. Glad you enjoyed it!
This is a GREAT video. Lots of folks mention the threat of rollover in their videos but this is the best I've seen actually demonstrating how easy it is. Great concept for the demo, great execution...should be required watching! It deserves to go viral. Well done Ed.
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Hi Ed! Great demonstration! “Careful but precarious”, “My friend Jack”, “Burt Reynolds position”. LOL. I love your sense of humor! You dialed in some serious pucker factor there! Thanks for sharing!
Thanks Martin! We’re all too familiar with the pucker factor! 😬
Great video my friend! Love the crisp clean, well thought out nature of your videos! Nothing like a little duck tape as added insurance! Cheers
Thanks so much!
Great video! Teenage Ed would have just drove in high range and turned hard one handed will jumping it on two wheels. Nice to see you outside" Doing Stuff! "
Well “middle age Ed” may be moderately wiser. Thanks for watching 😄
Thanks for making this video. I'm here because I'm about to receive my new tractor, which comes with a front end loader. I've never operated a loader before & my tractor Chappy has done a decent job in scaring me into being careful at all times. Driving the 'loader overhead' has been discussed & when it arrived I will be easing my way into FEL use by doing just flat & level areas for a while, with loader well down.
Good luck, enjoy, and be safe! Thanks for following along! -Ed
From Australia - Enjoyed the video and its message. This is a slight side track and I'm probably showing my age (65yo) being worried but these little tractors tip over SO easily (I have a BX 23s ) and have often had it on two wheels dragging stumps out of a hole with the FEL. Also I find it quite disturbing when I see operators using the backhoe while kneeling on the forward facing drivers seat and on sloping ground with not even a stabilizer down as I often see being done. Being an Emergency Services worker and attending many tractor deaths over the years I've found safety is often overlooked. My kids are always having a go at me about my safety paranoia but when you spend time with families as I have on so many occasions who have just lost a member of their family due to some completely avoidable incident, paranoia comes easily.
Great points indeed. I've begun wearing my seatbelt more often. It's a hassle but I'm hoping that it just becomes 2nd nature like it is when driving my car or truck. Thanks for jumping on all the way from Australia! -Ed
@@MyClutteredGarage Ive only had my BX2680 and to be honest it scares the hell out of me on my property at times. I started off riding slow, wearing my seat belt and keeping the bucket low. I actually had a couple incidents that if I hadn't taken my time I would of rolled. Thanks for the Demo, Love the vid.
I can’t believe you did that and then you got on it crap no way
I know some people I am going to show this to
Good info and video
Thanks very much. Glad you enjoyed it!
Interesting and good info video
Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching!
Good video! I keep meaning to do a follow up like this with the amount of pull it takes to get a wheel off the ground with bucket low vs high.
Here is my first with stock vs wheel wts vs spacers. th-cam.com/video/O3wxJJBgRHA/w-d-xo.html
Do it, man! Thanks!
Definitely a pucker moment there!
Great real world experiment. My farm is that steep or more everywhere. Weight distribution is critical. The navy uses ship models mounted on gimbal to show how to load ships, counter flood, and how fast and hard a ship can turn. Would love for dealers to have that available to them.
Thanks Brian. Sounds like some more serious real-world studies would be useful. I appreciate the feedback and info! -Ed
Good setup for the test I am actually planning to do the same experiment with my similar size and equipped Branson tractor, just to get the feeling for the tipping point.
"never do this again" Smartest thing you said the entire video.
I added spacers and it does make a difference in stability. Have to be careful to not add too wide a spacer or it can interfere with your mower. Thanks for the video.
Thanks for watching.
This is my second Kubota garden tractor. The first one was an early 1980s B series. It had bigger wider rear tires. For the last 5 years I have a Kubota BX2230 with a front-end loader. The tractor is top heavy and always wants to turn over on the slightest slope even if I when the dirt in the bucket is kept very low to the ground. But even trying to mow with a brush cutter on a slight slope it still once to turn over. I have to mow my bar-ditch using my Scag and the ditch is not steep. These newer tractors are made for flat ground. I didn't have the tippy problem with my first tractor. A friend of mine just bought a new LX that he uses to tile with. I called him and he discovered he's got the same high center of gravity issue, too. I hate it because I luv these small Kubota. I never had a single issue with my 1980s tractor where I needed to take it into the shop. It's just the high center of gravity these newer models have. I looked at the John Deers. There smallest tractor comparable to the BX looks like it'd be top heavy, too, but the next size up similar to the Kubota B and LX series has bigger rear wheels than the Kubotas. I've talked to the dealer on how to fix the problem. They've looked into ways to widen the track. Because the tires are small adding fluid in the tires wouldn't help much. Any suggestions?
If you don’t have a mid mount mower, you can add wheel spacers that can significantly improve the center of gravity. You may be able to add some thinner spacers even with a mid mount mower. I would definitely add liquid ballast or weights to the rear tires. Every bit helps! Thanks for watching. -Ed
@@MyClutteredGarage the Kubota deal told me i couldn’t get spacers for BX. I think I’m trading up anyway
Entertaining video. The tractor not being in motion kept it more stable. If you do a version 2, turn the steering to the left and right to see some dramatic effects but don't have it jacked so high when doing so.
I have seen a tractor manufacturer loosely chain a machine to a platform and start tilting it. It went to a surprising angle, but it was the front that rolled first due to mass of the engine being the highest centre of gravity.
That’s quite the experiment you were trying to show use 😳😬, I was afraid it was going to tip and bend your loader again 😳😉...
Not again! 😄
Great video. There are plenty of variables that can change the center of gravity of the tractor. Even on a flat surface if your load is not centered in the bucket, or way out in front of the bucket, you can find the rear tire or tires lifting off the ground. I had one instance trying to lift a rock with the bucket at max RPM and lifted the rear off the ground. Sometimes I think they should offer a lifting class to new owners since they do not have safety buzzers to give you notice of a possible accident. Thanks for the project.
Things happen quickly. Thanks for watching!
I agree with you on a class for first-time tractor owners I could make a fortune being the instructor.... but instead I will give helpful tips this upcoming summer as I'm trying to build my TH-cam channel
@@thegreatnorthwoodswithbb6513 Any of us that have driven a forklift understand load distribution affects stability. If you drive a lift for work you need a license yet dealers selling tractors are not required to teach owners how to operate their equipment safely. Some states require RENTOOL outfits to give a temporary license to use equipment for yourself. We are never too old to learn.
@@waynehigden you're correct about the forklift license worked at a couple Sawmills had to go to a 4-Hour class watching video tapes before we were certified
Hey hey Ed better you test this than me. Haha. Good job
Thanks Mike. Just consider it another sacrifice for the good of the community, haha.
Hi "BURT" the entire video made me nervous AND I knew you would make it through BECAUSE you have to post the science-ful video to your channel!!!
Thank you for watching, Margaret. Always appreciate your support!
Excellent video!!! I've been looking for something like this for a long time. I have a Kubota B2650 with cab and get a pucker factor on one of my slopes. A part 2 would be awesome with some additions to this one. Not sure how, but it would be great to be able to jack the front and back wheels at the same time and show the difference between bucket up vs. down. I would stress that if in motion, there is much less forgiveness, but it's good to see the static stability.
Thanks very much. This is pretty unscientific but it’s always best to listen to your pucker factor!
Mrs. Ed: You’re going to do what?” Ed: “Don’t worry Honey, it’s for science”
Cheers!
... and entertainment. Thanks Mike! :)
Diagonal loading biased to either front tire is extreme unstable. Even with lower bucket, if a heavy load in the bucket is biased in front, it will tip like a 3-wheel ATV.
Exactly
Another thing to consider Ed, is being in motion which would multiply the exertion of tipping over. Good test though, and I sure wouldn't want to be on a 15° degree slope with the loader elevated. Happy Easter buddy.
Thanks very much, Dean. Great point!
Shows how quickly you could roll the tractor with the bucket up and on a small slope. If you hit a rock or stump and one quick bounce you could roll the tractor before you could respond.
7:03 - was that Safety Sally watching you by the trucks? Saying to the little one: Watch the man, this is something you should never do to your tractor.🙂
Great video. It makes me want to try this too. Except I will look for the tipping point with the bucket down. I may even try it with the FEL off! My hillside too is steep and there are some places that I can ONLY mow sideways, not up or down hill.
Hi Michael. It’s a tough choice to mow sideways. Be safe!
21 like, wonderful video thanks for sharing stay in touch
I have a B2650HSTC (cab) with lots of hills on my property. I definitely keep the front loader as low as possible and keep the three point attachment low too if I can. I usually have a land plane or rotary brush cutter on the back and both very heavy and seem to make it more stable. I have beet juice in the rear tires too. I put an inclinometer on the windshield just to keep track of the side angles. I really only feel comfortable up to 15 degrees, but it also depends on if the tractor is facing a little bit uphill or downhill. It is definitely more stable facing uphill with the higher side angles. I have put the tractor on much steeper slopes than 15 degrees, but only facing uphill. I think I am going to put on some wheel spacers for a little extra security.
One problem I see with your "test" is only jacking up the rear and you had corner to corner wobble that made it seem more unstable than it may have really been. If you test again, I suggest jacking up the front an rear on one side equally. Thanks for doing the video!
Thanks for the input. I agree that jacking the front may result in different findings. The feedback from the video tells me that a second test may be in order. I agree with you about staying perpendicular with slopes. Thanks for watching! -Ed
I’m a real chicken when it come to tipping and you made me very nervous. Great video. Thanks for informing us about the real Damnation that we should fear.
Thanks James. This was a pretty unscientific test. Bottom line is to be careful! Thanks for watching. -Ed
You should have lowered the loader while pitched. It probably would have altered things quite a bit.
Even on flat ground wheel spacers altered how easily I could start rocking my tractor with everything lowered. It is interesting how every little thing changes things.
A ballast box filled with sand adds greatly to stability, and moving slow when the forks/bucket is up high.
Great video, I to wonder with the FEL down, if it would allow a steeper angle, also, do you have rear spacers? Might be another test?
I don’t have spacers but I would like to add them.
You would not like these Tennessee mountains and hills. Axle extensions are a must and they make a big difference. I've never tried them on the front but that would probably help also.
I think these tractors should come through with a wider stance. 👍
@@MyClutteredGarage I totally agree. Kubota makes a narrow version for vineyards but not a wide version of the smaller tractors.
Like a big lever on top of your tractor. I regularly mow 2 roughly 35 degree slopes with my bx, however the loader always gets removed tires are loaded and 2" wheel spacers. Is it safe? Lol probably not would i recommend it? Also probably not.
I almost flipped a tractor with a loader on the slightest slope. But at work I use a tractor with a rear mounted blower and about 400 pounds of weights on the front and it does surprisingly well on very steep slopes but I know my limits and there have been times I’ve gotten on hills and immediately cut the wheels and gotten down because I knew right away it was too much.
Interesting video with a solid premise. However, a tractor is a tractor is a tractor. We have eleven tractors from 22 to 85HP; turf, Industrial and Ag tires; cast centers, wheel weights, fluid filled or pure air, wheel spacers-no spacers, cabs and open station. A 15 degree slope is comfortable on most our machines. This series, in my opinion would make a great book or pamphlet for new owners with a caveat if you are going to operate outside design parameters, make necessary modifications.
Good points, RR. Thanks very much.
Had me worried. I thought you were going to fire it up and drive away with it strapped to the tree.
Imagine if there was weight in the bucket!
All I could think... Is KTAC is going to open a file on him if that machine goes over. ;) Though I have to agree with others it would be interesting to see what it looks like the bucket down low and the rear ballast dropped down low.
Hopefully no more KTAC claims from this guy! Thanks for watching! There may be a part two in order here? :)
you should have done it with the FEL down low to see the difference.
Ok maybe I *WILL* do this again :)
Stability difference between a high bucket and a lowered bucket would have been a great visual. Safe tractoring thanks for all your videos.
thanks, I've had a wheel up and it's scary,
Always! Thanks for watching. -Ed
I have a very slopy yard and almost tipped my 1025r twice the first day using it hauling dirt to the garden beds...loader was very low. Little dips increase the G's on the tractor drastically. One bounce can be 2 G's...
Good point! Thanks for watching.
I dont need a google calculation to tell me what the pucker factor is.
Pucker factor is instant, reliable and very accurate.
I have a couple hundred square feet of yard that slopes in two directions. The uphill wheel lifts and spins backward before it will roll over. However, the speed increase throws an uncalculatabe varible into the equation. It's a reminder of forgeting to engage the front assist. Perhaps they should offer ROPS mounted training wheels option?
(2601 w 200hrs)
Thanks for the vid!
Always trust the pucker factor :)
I lost a good friend of mine 12 years ago in a tractor accident. He was lifting a implement with his fel. and had the loader up high. The load shifted and the chain slid to the one side immediately and flipped the tractor over with him still in the seat and pinned to the steering wheel. He suffocated before we could get the tractor pulled off of him. EMTs were on scene in minutes administering cpr. He was pronounced dead on arrival at the hospital. That was a bad day. When things go wrong, they do so very quickly and with deadly consequences.We used to see farmers using their loader tractors for field work and running around in the fields with the loaders all the way in the air. The loaders were harder to remove back then and who wanted to take the time to do it? As for me, I run with my loader as low as I can and slow and steady is the pace for me. I don't want to become a statistic for a tractor safety video. I want to be shot by a jealous husband when I go.
What a tragic story. So sorry to hear that you had that experience. You’re right, things go wrong quickly. We probably don’t even recognize how fortunate we are. Thanks for watching. And look out for those jealous husbands!
@@MyClutteredGarage , sorry that I missed your live stream tonight Ed. We are getting ready to do some tiling and the back hoe operator showed up tonight and wanted to survey the situation. We are very dry this spring, so this is the year to dig the tile lines in. See you for the next one.
The comment about the jealous husband was a bit of a tribute to my friend that was killed. It was something that he always said jokingly, but was very dedicated to his wife. It was all big talk, but something that he said a lot.
When I first watched this video I didn’t have a tractor. From watching you, Tim, rock hill farm and Peeks peek I got to watch what would work best for me.
I now have a B2601.
The question I have is how would a offset 4’ or 4.5’ do with this tractor? One other person has videos with a B2601. He thinks it’s fine.
Tim had one on his 1025 he said a 4.5’ was to big.
I know you don’t have one but maybe you have talked to someone that has one.
Hi. Do you mean something like an offset flail mower?
@@MyClutteredGarage
It’s a flail mower that can move from right behind your tractor or it can be moved so it will mow 4’ to the right.
Tractor time with Tim had one episode with a 4’ 6” one on his 1025. I talked to him last night he said it would be to big. He said go with a 4’ and make sure to have weighted tires.
Thank you for getting back with me. I do like watching your videos.
I do have one more question for you.
I see you drive your tractor down the road to go to peoples houses, when you do that what RPM do you do? And how far is to far to drive it? Do you think your oil ever gets to hot just driving like that?
I have gone 1 mile one way and put it at 540 RPM but I don’t think I should.
Can the wheels on a B series Kubota be set a wider stance? This with taking the loader off would make the tractor safer to operate on slopes.
Hi Karl. The wheels are not adjustable but you can add spacers. Good question about removing the loader. There may be a “part two” needed for this one!
Yeah in the final throws of purchasing a tractor. The deadline to buy is midnight 30 June 2021. This is the end of the financial year & buying an expensive tractor will help with my tax liabilities.....
The Kubota B is on the shortlist with a big 72 inch mower deck. However my farm is a bit hilly & the B looks a bit narrow. However the tractor hauling a 250 kg mower deck down low would make it safer.
We ended up buying buying a bigger Kubota than the B3150. We are getting a Kubota MX5200. It looks like a fine tractor. The main reason we are getting it is it does tick the boxes, it’s available to purchase in May and we are getting a good deal. No mid mount PTO so we will have to work out mowing around trees.
The wheels on a MX5200 can be put a wider stance. I think we will get the widest stance which is 1.92 meters.
Awesome, Karl! Congratulations!
G2K, but I suspect you simulated the tractor's rear rwheel riding over a large object. I found this video searching for practical info on the max lean angle for the BX. Yes, yes, everyone's worried about being sued, cause that's freedom for ya, but given this is a physics question, Im surprised Kubota wont at least say something about it assuming a flat surface.
Good day Sir🌞😎 I REALY LIKE YOUR NEW INTRO 😉👍 Ed is you computer single ? 🤨😏🥴 She has a Very SEXY VOICE 🤣🥴👍 Great demo to show to people it does not take much to tilt, can imagine with a bucket full and turning in the same time and you have your rear box in back to help stabilize,,, 🤨🥴😮 CATASTROPHY 😮 Great Burt Reynold sence of humor 🤣😎 Ed is your weight realy 200 Lbs 🤣😏👍 Great Safety Topic Sir 👌👍🧐 Cheers 🍻👌
Thanks Dave. Haha, I think Siri is single! My weight? Well the answer depends if 200 is high or low. I'd say plus or minus... mostly plus :)
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Hilarious
Never ever did.
Should have demonstrated without the box blade on the back.
Thanks very much. There are several comments indicating that a “part two” may be in order!
@@MyClutteredGarage
I did a video a few weeks back discussing the importance of Front Ballast Weights on my BX23S and about to release another short clip for rear ballasts. Interestingly enough, few people understand the importance of proper ballasts and weight distribution, not to mention, it’s easy to get sidetracked and forget. These types of videos are very educational in my opinion.
Believe it or not, a simple video like this one “could” save a life.
Results inconclusive,
Ground not level ,
No inclinometer .
Do you have tire spacers?
Do have beet juice in the tires?
Rolling mass on sod will effect the center of gravity.
Where are the myth busters when you need them?
:)
Great job offering links to stuff, very helpful..
Although reaction to this video has been positive, it’s seems that a “part two” more scientific study may be in order :)
Made me laugh. Good message though. Thanks.
I think this test is dangerously misleading. Many subcompact tractors will roll with much less pitch with some weight in the loader combined with momentum while under way.
Hi Lewis. It's unscientific for sure. You're right that geography, momentum, and other conditions would play a role. I appreciate your comments. -Ed
Informative to a point, but why not demonstrate the critical angle with front loader just clear of ground?…..Surely much more useful advice?
Also, try not to have the most boring presentation ever next time,…… you already got that: