I hope this doesn’t come off as insensitive, but from the perspective of an American it’s wild that 8 members of a given class survived into preservation. Here we’re lucky if even a single example exists of even the most prestigious locomotive class of a railroad. I do agree that it sucks that not everything can be saved, but there’s plenty of remaining Castles (relatively speaking) and the parts will be more useful in the replica than just sitting around on a siding until the other 7 castles are all too worn out to run. (That is of course assuming that the replica project succeeds) Personally I’d prefer to have every steam locomotive be at the very least cosmetically restored *and* have 100% new new builds, but unfortunately that’s not really feasible.
@@MatecaCorp not at all! always interesting to hear someones opinion from across the pond, yeah you guys don't have the backing for preservation as much as we do sadly, but yeah I agree 7/8 castles is a lot but again as stated I think the kicker is that restoration was under way but stopped and now the purchase 🤔
With new build being so successful, there is no reason in the world that in the future we can keep steam locos running indefinitely. Granted many parts will eventually be replaced, but when viewing a loco live and in steam, who is going to worry about that?
with the castle, I'm part of the 61673 spirt of Sandringham project and we've taken parts and drawings from 61662 project witch yes was another new build that went under but another example is 32424 beachy head its boiler is from a GNR Atlantic.
I don't see why people are annoyed there's 8 castles not as if it's 1 a of 1 at least we will have a new loco not seen before and the way the coververtion to a star could be undone as the nrm aren't ever going to let lode star run again so it would of been nice to see a running star
The basic Castle design still has a lot to give. Unless I am much mistaken, a new boiler to standard LMS 2A design (as fitted to the rebuilt Scots and Patriot class) would fit the chassis. Add a Lempor exhaust and the DLM light oil firing system and we get a Super Castle. The Castle class were originally intended to be fitted with the 4700 boiler but they would have been too heavy. The re-created 4700 class will have an undersized boiler. I suppose it might be back-dated to create a working Star.
Come on. As far as most people are concerned a steam loco is being altered, not scrapped. So the frames will be new steel and it will look a little different, but outside of diehard GWR enthusiasts nobody will decry the loco as wrong when they see it in steam. And let's face it, there are an awful lot of GWR 4-6-0s out there, unlike say LNER mixed traffic types.
@@bruceknights8330 no I agree and yeah fortunately not being scrapped but I think the kicker for people here is that it was under restoration but came to a hault plus I think a fair few people have distaste for new builds over restored engines
@@Thecheekyengine The truth of the matter is that, if there is no backing to create another Castle loco, then the interest has gone. I'm afraid new builds are the closest we can get to recreating a lost loco, and they give so many of us great pleasure to see after all these years of them being lost.
I have it on good authority that the MAYOR LOVES TRAINS as she drove a train at last weekends 75 years celebration at the Model Engineers Track in the same park. AND YES SHE IS A GIRL. We were there of course. David and Lily up from Reading.
Come on though. We already have 7 other Castles, 3 operational, but not 1 Night Owl. Surely an engine in very poor condition can be sacrificed to make a new engine whose brothers and sisters have all be scrapped.
@@trainlover16 I'm only the news barer mate giving my opinion, I agree with what they are doing bringing in new locomotive to life but using thornbury castle it's just a sad state of affairs tis all 😕
Well correct me if I'm wrong but from what I've heard they told the previous owner that they were planning on restoring her as her own engine, so when they announced they'd be using the boiler for 7027, he found out the same time we all did
Excellent idea to use the boiler for the 47xx, then the chassis would make an ideal basis for building a working Star, since it's very highly extremely unlikely that the Science Museum will ever allow Lode Star to be returned to steam. Two more gaps filled in the ranks of working GWR locos
GCR staff and volunteers put quite a bit of work into the start of restoration and were just as gutted as everyone else, if not more so when they heard she had been sold.
Back in the Barry days locomotives were bought for spares to help restore and keep other locos going, the Stanier Jubilee, 45699, Galatea, was one of them. The Castle class locomotive is well represented and I think the Night Owl project is a great idea to bring back a particularly interesting locomotive back from a unique lost class. We have already seen this happen with our "Halls" to recreate a Grange and Saint, so what's different this time? The good thing is that Thornbury's frames will be saved and go into storage for another day. Boilers were never a true representation of a particular locomotive and were being replaced or swopped about all the time during BR days. The frames are a different matter, as they are the basis of that locomotive. I welcome the Night Owl recreation and Thornbury's boiler will make a great contribution into making that day come closer. To be realistic I would rather see 4709 in steam than the alternative of seeing another Castle back in steam which could simply be many more years away.
Very true point about the barry island days! I think the initial reaction to this from what I gather is that restoration was underway for 7027 but can't to a hault and now looks to be lost, there are a few interesting points made though as to whether the boiler will actually be viable for this class but time will tell!
The boiler from Thornbury Castle is not even the correct type boiler for the Night Owl. The barrel differs by 4 inches at the front and 3 inches at the rear. Another case of boiler butchery like when the firebox from 8F 48518 was used for the County 4-6-0!!! Well it's sort of similar so that will do!! 😅
7027 we have plenty of other castles around and in better condition and its not the first loco to donate parts for new build projects, in my opinion if people cared that much about her then they would of made efforts to take the loco on when she was up for sale
@@Thecheekyengine sometimes locos are sold quietly between people so the mainstream doesnt know until after the sale. But even when it is known about whether its loco sales or a group trying to raise funds for expensive work people are quick to moan or complain but not as quick to dip into there own pocket or lend a hand in doing the work.
The result of the boiler inspection doesn't matter either way: 1) The boiler can be restored to use - so the castle will need a new boiler if ever to be restored. 2) The boiler can't be restored to use - so the castle will need a new boiler if ever to be restored.
No idea if this is a rumour or not, but the 4709 Group do intend on Restoring her after the 47xx is completed. The Only part that I think is being cannibalised, is the Boiler, the rest will go towards her Restoration.
I don’t think you can blame the GCR for the sale of the locomotive, it’s the private owner decides if he wants to sell it, as much I as don’t agree with the sale. The GCR has no ownership of the locomotive
For those who say we have other preserved castle's it should be pointed out that 7027 is the last surviving Hawksworth castle in original (3 row superheater, single chimney) condition
So what? A fortune spent on restoring it with nowhere to run it and when it needs another overhaul in ten years what happens? Stuck rusting away in a siding while funds are raised. There are many more worthy causes
It isn't clear to me what exactly is happening with Thornbury Castle. Boiler swaps are quite common. Mention of putting the chassis in store was made. Again, this happens quite a lot on the preservation scene with new or other parts being subsequently found. Unless Thornbury castle really is unrestorable (it looks in better condition than most ex-Barry locos), I wouldn't be writing it off yet. On the other hand, if it is being 'converted', then that means it sees a new life.
Personally more bothered about the fact that the frame not going to be used to create a new GWR Star. I remember reading in Steam Railway where one objection against it was we don’t need a second star. Yes apparently we don’t need a second GWR Star but we do need an 8th Castle. It is VERY unlikely that Lode Star will be returned to full mainline running standard so this would have given an opportunity to see a member of the Star class out and running. What would Thornberry Caslte bring us that the other 7 preserved Castle Class locomotives don’t.
@@michaelmcnally2331 very valid point there! Another star class will be epic as I doubt the NRM will ever get theirs up and running but I think it's rubbed people up the wrong was due to thornbury castles restoration was under way
@@physiocrat7143 Evening Star at 5 years with BR says your ancient! City of Birmingham (Greatest Steam Loco ever and no prizes for guessing where I was born) only had 25 Many of the steam loco's built after WW2 had short life spans and with hindsight (a truly wonderful thing) shouldn't have been built. The Big 4 as in the LMS, GWR, LNER and Southern pre WW2 were already looking to move on from steam with electrification schemes or diesel. In 1921, a government committee chose 1,500 V DC overhead to be the national standard so clearly in the 1920's the UK was seeing the writing on the wall for steam. If not for the depression and ww2 then steam would have been out and Thornbury Castle never even built. Steam was kept due to need to invest money elsewhere and the fact that UK still had all the infrastructure for Steam whereas would have to build the infrastructure to support electric traction. Oil would have to be imported whereas UK had Coal in abundance and the infrastructure to support it so a no brainer to bring in the new standards and of course the big 4 still insisted on some of there own. As I point out to people on the continent. UK Railway Network dates back to Victorian/Edwardian era. Western Europe has a Post WW2 network because the RAF and US 8th Air Army blew the crap out of Europes railway network in Western Europe. If starting to build from scratch in the late 1940's then you go Diesel and Electric as you would have to build out the infrastructure to go steam when even before the war people moving away from steam.
@@michaelmcnally2331 Putting in infrastructure for electric traction is a huge financial burden, both initially and for subsequent mainentance. The LMS would only have electrified the main lines plus suburban routes around London, Manchester, Liverpool, which it did in fact electrify. Early diesel locomotives were under-powered compared to steam, which was the rationale behind the Deltic, which took a lot of resources to keep on the road. The capital cost of diesels in the 1950s was five times that of steam locomotives of the same power. The dieselisation programme was a disgraceful waste of money. The main disadvantage of steam is the use of coal as a fuel.The successful oil burning experiments were aborted due to political interference, and in the end, imported oil was used anyway after dieselisation. If the oil burning programme had not been stopped, the last of the Castles would have been oil burners like the French 141R class and continued in service until at least 1980. Considerable improvements in steam technology were made in the 1970s and 1980s; it turns out that in actual service, steam locomotives burning light oil use less fuel than diesels doing the same work. Steam locomotives built in a production run of more than 20 units would still come out at about one-third of the cost of equivalent diesels. That is a massive financial burden that the railways do not have to bear. Given the amount of time that rolling stock spends doing nothing at all, this is an important consideration in relation to other factors. Because of the special design of the GWR 4 cylinder 4-6-0s, which makes them easy on the track, the chassis of Thornbury would be well suited to the development of a new generation of steam locomotives for main lines which are never going to be busy enough to be worth electrifying, or where electrification is impractical. The Modernisation Plan provided for a pilot scheme of dieselisation with thorough testing. The premature scrapping of steam was the result of political interference driven by pressure for the locomotive builders who wanted to fill up their order books. There was no technical or economic justification. This was just after the Suez crisis when oil supplies were under pressure.
What I find about Hornby and it's price increase by 10% and then immediately on their website offer a 15% discount on all in stock items. Makes no sense
it is a shame about another castle class wont be able to steam but you have to look on the bright side There is already a lot of castles still running in steam and the knight owl project group are bringing back a class that did not survive the cutters torch which will be nice people need to look at it this way and not give bad responses or unpleasant words to the group as its nice to have variations of locos and not all the same thing and trying to get a new boiler built in this day and age just either costs too much or we don't have the right experience or machines that can do a proper job not like how it was back in the hay days of steam just look at what they did for 2999 lady of the legend she's in working order and looks fabulous
What about Castle 5080 Defiant restored once and once it's boiler ticket expired it hasn't been, as far as I know overhauled to run again. The focus has been on 7029 and 5043 but not 5080. But will the 47 run on the mainline or will it be confined to preserved railways only. Is 4079 mainline accredited or is it just for preserved railways only.
I want to see a new build Aberdare. Why? Well they represented a time of real work when life was hard and we saw a workhorse in a grimy occupation. Anyway, I believe the yanks shot up the last one for target practice. Believed to be painted white for the occasion !!
Be reasonable inflation is lower than the increase in prices it's not realistic. Tbh I'm not worried about any GWR locomotive as I'm an LNER man not interested in any GWR engines
Not blaming anyone in particular more of a observation in regards to the history of her restoration, multiple parties tried multiple parties did nothing.. rather sad 😕
@@Thecheekyengine There would be a huge amount of work and commitment to get Thornbury running again. The team involved are allowed to change their plans mid way, in many cases when they realise that it's just not worth the effort, high expense, lack of support, or is just not viable anymore.
too many of these GWR odd-balls doing projects. Build a new one if its that important to you. Oh right, you can't afford it without the parts because no-one is that interested in an obscure 2-8-0 to give you the money.
Good idea, so many parts missing, so a new build 47xx is an excellent idea, we have enough Castles, nice to have something different...
It will be nice to see something different on the rails again!
@@paulkandi Agreed.
I hope this doesn’t come off as insensitive, but from the perspective of an American it’s wild that 8 members of a given class survived into preservation. Here we’re lucky if even a single example exists of even the most prestigious locomotive class of a railroad. I do agree that it sucks that not everything can be saved, but there’s plenty of remaining Castles (relatively speaking) and the parts will be more useful in the replica than just sitting around on a siding until the other 7 castles are all too worn out to run. (That is of course assuming that the replica project succeeds)
Personally I’d prefer to have every steam locomotive be at the very least cosmetically restored *and* have 100% new new builds, but unfortunately that’s not really feasible.
@@MatecaCorp not at all! always interesting to hear someones opinion from across the pond, yeah you guys don't have the backing for preservation as much as we do sadly, but yeah I agree 7/8 castles is a lot but again as stated I think the kicker is that restoration was under way but stopped and now the purchase 🤔
With new build being so successful, there is no reason in the world that in the future we can keep steam locos running indefinitely. Granted many parts will eventually be replaced, but when viewing a loco live and in steam, who is going to worry about that?
It is worth noting Thornbury Castle is unique compared to the rest of them, the only one of its type preserved
@@AlongPreservedLines What is different?
@@MatecaCorp Thornbury Castle is the only surviving single chimney castle
The owner of 7027 passed away when it was at GC so the loco wash sold in a rush which is a shame
@@cheyvengeance5432 yes really is a shame.. it's catch 22 scenario really would like it restored but also the new build but the decision is what it is
with the castle, I'm part of the 61673 spirt of Sandringham project and we've taken parts and drawings from 61662 project witch yes was another new build that went under but another example is 32424 beachy head its boiler is from a GNR Atlantic.
I don't see why people are annoyed there's 8 castles not as if it's 1 a of 1 at least we will have a new loco not seen before and the way the coververtion to a star could be undone as the nrm aren't ever going to let lode star run again so it would of been nice to see a running star
@@JakeJowett-me8eg I agree with the star mate, It would be epic to see one 👍
The basic Castle design still has a lot to give. Unless I am much mistaken, a new boiler to standard LMS 2A design (as fitted to the rebuilt Scots and Patriot class) would fit the chassis. Add a Lempor exhaust and the DLM light oil firing system and we get a Super Castle.
The Castle class were originally intended to be fitted with the 4700 boiler but they would have been too heavy. The re-created 4700 class will have an undersized boiler.
I suppose it might be back-dated to create a working Star.
Come on. As far as most people are concerned a steam loco is being altered, not scrapped. So the frames will be new steel and it will look a little different, but outside of diehard GWR enthusiasts nobody will decry the loco as wrong when they see it in steam. And let's face it, there are an awful lot of GWR 4-6-0s out there, unlike say LNER mixed traffic types.
@@bruceknights8330 no I agree and yeah fortunately not being scrapped but I think the kicker for people here is that it was under restoration but came to a hault plus I think a fair few people have distaste for new builds over restored engines
@@Thecheekyengine The truth of the matter is that, if there is no backing to create another Castle loco, then the interest has gone. I'm afraid new builds are the closest we can get to recreating a lost loco, and they give so many of us great pleasure to see after all these years of them being lost.
I have it on good authority that the MAYOR LOVES TRAINS as she drove a train at last weekends 75 years celebration at the Model Engineers Track in the same park. AND YES SHE IS A GIRL.
We were there of course.
David and Lily up from Reading.
Thankyou for that David and lily! Yes the 75th from what I saw looked a great event! 👍
Come on though. We already have 7 other Castles, 3 operational, but not 1 Night Owl. Surely an engine in very poor condition can be sacrificed to make a new engine whose brothers and sisters have all be scrapped.
@@trainlover16 I'm only the news barer mate giving my opinion, I agree with what they are doing bringing in new locomotive to life but using thornbury castle it's just a sad state of affairs tis all 😕
@@Thecheekyengine Yes but if it means we get a new Night Owl, I’m ok with that.
Well correct me if I'm wrong but from what I've heard they told the previous owner that they were planning on restoring her as her own engine, so when they announced they'd be using the boiler for 7027, he found out the same time we all did
@@AbeTheBabe6233 Oh I see. Shame. But to be fair, where else were they gonna get the boiler they needed for their own project?
@trainlover16 I'm not exactly sure, however that castle class boiler is the wrong one
Excellent idea to use the boiler for the 47xx, then the chassis would make an ideal basis for building a working Star, since it's very highly extremely unlikely that the Science Museum will ever allow Lode Star to be returned to steam. Two more gaps filled in the ranks of working GWR locos
GCR staff and volunteers put quite a bit of work into the start of restoration and were just as gutted as everyone else, if not more so when they heard she had been sold.
Excellent news to use Thornbury Castle for the Night Owl rather than let it rot for another 50 years.
Well it's better alternative that's for sure
Back in the Barry days locomotives were bought for spares to help restore and keep other locos going, the Stanier Jubilee, 45699, Galatea, was one of them. The Castle class locomotive is well represented and I think the Night Owl project is a great idea to bring back a particularly interesting locomotive back from a unique lost class. We have already seen this happen with our "Halls" to recreate a Grange and Saint, so what's different this time? The good thing is that Thornbury's frames will be saved and go into storage for another day. Boilers were never a true representation of a particular locomotive and were being replaced or swopped about all the time during BR days. The frames are a different matter, as they are the basis of that locomotive. I welcome the Night Owl recreation and Thornbury's boiler will make a great contribution into making that day come closer. To be realistic I would rather see 4709 in steam than the alternative of seeing another Castle back in steam which could simply be many more years away.
Very true point about the barry island days! I think the initial reaction to this from what I gather is that restoration was underway for 7027 but can't to a hault and now looks to be lost, there are a few interesting points made though as to whether the boiler will actually be viable for this class but time will tell!
The boiler from Thornbury Castle is not even the correct type boiler for the Night Owl. The barrel differs by 4 inches at the front and 3 inches at the rear. Another case of boiler butchery like when the firebox from 8F 48518 was used for the County 4-6-0!!! Well it's sort of similar so that will do!! 😅
Yes I had read the same that boiler isn't even the right specifications 🤷
7027 we have plenty of other castles around and in better condition and its not the first loco to donate parts for new build projects, in my opinion if people cared that much about her then they would of made efforts to take the loco on when she was up for sale
Yes I agree unfortunately the supporters seem to appear when it's to late or from what I can see 🤔
@@Thecheekyengine sometimes locos are sold quietly between people so the mainstream doesnt know until after the sale. But even when it is known about whether its loco sales or a group trying to raise funds for expensive work people are quick to moan or complain but not as quick to dip into there own pocket or lend a hand in doing the work.
The locomotive was only in service 14 years
GWR Halls have been scrapped for rebuilds too. Its just something that happens.
It is sad that Thornbury castle is getting scrapped. But to be honest, it looked like it had battled all 4 elements and looked really damaged.
Yes it really is a sad state of affairs, but unfortunately the backing wasn't there 😕
@@Thecheekyengine but isn’t there around 10 castles still here?
@@Steamenginefan I believe there's 8 buddy but could be a couple more now, but either way still a loss!
@@Thecheekyengine will there be 7 now as we lost Maindy hall to engine cannibalism?
@@Steamenginefan isn't maindy hall now lady of legend?
The result of the boiler inspection doesn't matter either way:
1) The boiler can be restored to use - so the castle will need a new boiler if ever to be restored.
2) The boiler can't be restored to use - so the castle will need a new boiler if ever to be restored.
No idea if this is a rumour or not, but the 4709 Group do intend on Restoring her after the 47xx is completed. The Only part that I think is being cannibalised, is the Boiler, the rest will go towards her Restoration.
Yes I believe that is a suggestion but the general idea ATM is to keep the parts for future projects
@@Thecheekyengine
Since a new boiler will be needed it might as well be a standar LMS type 2A, adapted to fit if necessary, with light oil firing
I don’t think you can blame the GCR for the sale of the locomotive, it’s the private owner decides if he wants to sell it, as much I as don’t agree with the sale. The GCR has no ownership of the locomotive
@@rorz101uk no I agree more mentioned then in terms of how it ended up where it did but good point! 👍
Didcot did allow long pause to allow other purchasers to come through with a viable plan for Thornbury but none did.
Yes I did read about that, Shane no one came up with a solution
For those who say we have other preserved castle's it should be pointed out that 7027 is the last surviving Hawksworth castle in original (3 row superheater, single chimney) condition
So what? A fortune spent on restoring it with nowhere to run it and when it needs another overhaul in ten years what happens? Stuck rusting away in a siding while funds are raised. There are many more worthy causes
I'm putting the vlame in private owners for taking good care or selling their trains to a museum or a heritage railway!
It isn't clear to me what exactly is happening with Thornbury Castle. Boiler swaps are quite common. Mention of putting the chassis in store was made. Again, this happens quite a lot on the preservation scene with new or other parts being subsequently found. Unless Thornbury castle really is unrestorable (it looks in better condition than most ex-Barry locos), I wouldn't be writing it off yet. On the other hand, if it is being 'converted', then that means it sees a new life.
Yes they are quite common it will be interesting to see what happens with it!
Personally more bothered about the fact that the frame not going to be used to create a new GWR Star. I remember reading in Steam Railway where one objection against it was we don’t need a second star. Yes apparently we don’t need a second GWR Star but we do need an 8th Castle.
It is VERY unlikely that Lode Star will be returned to full mainline running standard so this would have given an opportunity to see a member of the Star class out and running.
What would Thornberry Caslte bring us that the other 7 preserved Castle Class locomotives don’t.
@@michaelmcnally2331 very valid point there! Another star class will be epic as I doubt the NRM will ever get theirs up and running but I think it's rubbed people up the wrong was due to thornbury castles restoration was under way
Thornbury had only 14 years in service
@@physiocrat7143 Evening Star at 5 years with BR says your ancient! City of Birmingham (Greatest Steam Loco ever and no prizes for guessing where I was born) only had 25 Many of the steam loco's built after WW2 had short life spans and with hindsight (a truly wonderful thing) shouldn't have been built. The Big 4 as in the LMS, GWR, LNER and Southern pre WW2 were already looking to move on from steam with electrification schemes or diesel. In 1921, a government committee chose 1,500 V DC overhead to be the national standard so clearly in the 1920's the UK was seeing the writing on the wall for steam. If not for the depression and ww2 then steam would have been out and Thornbury Castle never even built.
Steam was kept due to need to invest money elsewhere and the fact that UK still had all the infrastructure for Steam whereas would have to build the infrastructure to support electric traction. Oil would have to be imported whereas UK had Coal in abundance and the infrastructure to support it so a no brainer to bring in the new standards and of course the big 4 still insisted on some of there own.
As I point out to people on the continent. UK Railway Network dates back to Victorian/Edwardian era. Western Europe has a Post WW2 network because the RAF and US 8th Air Army blew the crap out of Europes railway network in Western Europe. If starting to build from scratch in the late 1940's then you go Diesel and Electric as you would have to build out the infrastructure to go steam when even before the war people moving away from steam.
@@michaelmcnally2331
Putting in infrastructure for electric traction is a huge financial burden, both initially and for subsequent mainentance. The LMS would only have electrified the main lines plus suburban routes around London, Manchester, Liverpool, which it did in fact electrify.
Early diesel locomotives were under-powered compared to steam, which was the rationale behind the Deltic, which took a lot of resources to keep on the road. The capital cost of diesels in the 1950s was five times that of steam locomotives of the same power. The dieselisation programme was a disgraceful waste of money.
The main disadvantage of steam is the use of coal as a fuel.The successful oil burning experiments were aborted due to political interference, and in the end, imported oil was used anyway after dieselisation. If the oil burning programme had not been stopped, the last of the Castles would have been oil burners like the French 141R class and continued in service until at least 1980.
Considerable improvements in steam technology were made in the 1970s and 1980s; it turns out that in actual service, steam locomotives burning light oil use less fuel than diesels doing the same work.
Steam locomotives built in a production run of more than 20 units would still come out at about one-third of the cost of equivalent diesels. That is a massive financial burden that the railways do not have to bear. Given the amount of time that rolling stock spends doing nothing at all, this is an important consideration in relation to other factors.
Because of the special design of the GWR 4 cylinder 4-6-0s, which makes them easy on the track, the chassis of Thornbury would be well suited to the development of a new generation of steam locomotives for main lines which are never going to be busy enough to be worth electrifying, or where electrification is impractical.
The Modernisation Plan provided for a pilot scheme of dieselisation with thorough testing. The premature scrapping of steam was the result of political interference driven by pressure for the locomotive builders who wanted to fill up their order books. There was no technical or economic justification. This was just after the Suez crisis when oil supplies were under pressure.
What I find about Hornby and it's price increase by 10% and then immediately on their website offer a 15% discount on all in stock items. Makes no sense
Your the only person to comment about n anything other than thornbury castle haha but yes the whole 15% discount is so weird considering!
it is a shame about another castle class wont be able to steam but you have to look on the bright side
There is already a lot of castles still running in steam and the knight owl project group are bringing back a class that did not survive the cutters torch which will be nice
people need to look at it this way and not give bad responses or unpleasant words to the group as its nice to have variations of locos and not all the same thing and trying to get a new boiler built in this day and age just either costs too much or we don't have the right experience or machines that can do a proper job not like how it was back in the hay days of steam
just look at what they did for 2999 lady of the legend she's in working order and looks fabulous
What about Castle 5080 Defiant restored once and once it's boiler ticket expired it hasn't been, as far as I know overhauled to run again. The focus has been on 7029 and 5043 but not 5080.
But will the 47 run on the mainline or will it be confined to preserved railways only. Is 4079 mainline accredited or is it just for preserved railways only.
Is Thornburry castle being scrapped 😢
No initially the boiler is being used for the night owl project and the rest will be used for future projects so technically no
@@Thecheekyengine oh ok
I want to see a new build Aberdare. Why? Well they represented a time of real work when life was hard and we saw a workhorse in a grimy occupation. Anyway, I believe the yanks shot up the last one for target practice. Believed to be painted white for the occasion !!
It will be nice to see TBF, and didn't realise that about the last one that'd interesting 🧐
Be reasonable inflation is lower than the increase in prices it's not realistic.
Tbh I'm not worried about any GWR locomotive as I'm an LNER man not interested in any GWR engines
Re Hornby. It does not sound credible. Unless by some accounting measure they can right off unsold stock.
9:00 really......?
Not blaming anyone in particular more of a observation in regards to the history of her restoration, multiple parties tried multiple parties did nothing.. rather sad 😕
@@Thecheekyengine There would be a huge amount of work and commitment to get Thornbury running again. The team involved are allowed to change their plans mid way, in many cases when they realise that it's just not worth the effort, high expense, lack of support, or is just not viable anymore.
GWR fans like to kit-bash other company's locos into fake GWR frankenlocos, so they might as well do it to another one of their own.
The 4709 group has ruined a perfectly fine locomotive just to build an extinct class of locomotive, disgraceful
too many of these GWR odd-balls doing projects. Build a new one if its that important to you. Oh right, you can't afford it without the parts because no-one is that interested in an obscure 2-8-0 to give you the money.
tearing apart a real loco to make some silly copy, 'preservation' in 2024 lol
Yes It does make you wonder in regards to lack of funding for it..
@@andrewyoung749how can it be a "sh!tty copy" of something that doesn't exist?