You can't save everything in preservation and I think it's a really well balanced video you've made here about whether it's to save or restore. There will always be the people comment that you must save everything no matter what, but those people usually aren't putting in the man hours to do that work required to restore what we have left. I think I've had some spoilers and ive seen the results of what's happening to this vehicle already and might I say I think you guys have made the most sensible and rational decisions for the benefit of preservation. I'm Doing restoration work on a vehicle myself that has no spares and no chance of spares as the rest of the fleet was scrapped long ago, so you really cannot underestimate the value of having this available to you. Best of luck lads 👍
Well done guys this country needs people like you to sort out and restore cars, planes and trains etc . I will have to pay you a visit at some point . Good luck with it all !
Scrap or Save? I initially thought "Who stole this thumbnail title from my channel?" I then watched the entire video and thought "Good on them!" After all we are all on the same side and in the same boat trying to save what we can. Keep up the good work guys 👍
I think you should pull it to bits restore what needs restoration get all of the pieces painted looking good to protect them . Overhaul the engine gearbox etc. then stick them on the shelf as spares. you have enough units to maintain at the moment. You will need spares in the future. And they are getting harder to find. The only other way to get spares these days is to have them made. But that’s expensive. 👍👍👍👍👍👍
Save it!! As a point of interest though…. Taking account of the vast amount of non-recyclable materials, the potential of large amounts of asbestos, and the cost of transporting down to Barnsley or Newport - Would a breaker pay you for it, or would it be more a case of you having to pay for environmentally safe disposal? The potential for this argument is even greater if you were to ‘Parts Out’ the running units and bogies prior to disposal.
I've seen enough go to the cutters torch and end up fragged into containers to be taken to the smelters, so if it can be saved whole then great, but if it would extend the running life of another five units as spares then so-beit.
Please save it; quite a unique number and as you mention running quite recently so easier to restore. Must be plenty of others left to rot for decades which can be scrapped for parts instead of this one
Good clean and wash sort out the cosmetics and interior and doors. You have a great running unit once you can sort out the driving end. It's your choice obviously.
There are better candidates for scrapping out there. I think I'd keep in one piece. I had a fleet of 4 Rustons, 3 of which were out on hire, whilst the 4th had some minor da,age to the running gear but was otherwise in good order. When a part failed on the hire fleet I removed the replacement from the 4th loco but had the damaged part overhauled and put into store. At the end of the contract I had 3 working locos and a 4th with newly overhauled components ready to put into traffic
This was one of the WR sets that was painted in chocolate and cream livery for the GWR 150 celebrations in 1985 before being transferred to NSE. It's a celebrity. I see you have 59509 too, whopp whopp. As 51358 was scrapped, some artist licence or a mascarade would need to complete the set. Definitely keep it. Could be used in a DMU set, or at the end of a running set in chocolate and cream livery. Up to you.
Ah... the GWR150 set had 51400, not 51410. I googled 51410 to find out a bit more about it and for some reason 51400 came up. That led me right down a rabbit hole. I didn't notice the subtle difference. Glad the trailer survived.
0Being part of the team working on the class 15 and the CoBo I know how long and tedious restoration can be and how difficult it can be to acquire spare or replacement parts. But on these units many parts are interchangeable between the classes. Seen the quite good shape this unit is in where body work is the only main issue I would suggest to keep it as a whole. Maybe it can help to complete a full 3 car set 117 DMU on another railway. It would even be possible to convert it into a DMBS if there is more need for one to complete a set. In the timespan restoration takes place this unit can donate parts to the other units to keep them serviceable, but overhaul the old parts which come off these as soon as funds are available. Keeping the rest of the fleet running will create funds for their overhaul and probably for the bodywork on 51400 as well. I have seen far worse being restored, like the Cravens 105 on our railway. Of course there is just one 105 saved and many 117s but still, there are far worse DMU cars out there. Having good welders in the team is a bonus, and on non structural parts like skins and roofs you can train other team members welding skills.
The CoBo and Class 15 are wonderful projects that we have seen in person so I would like to wish you all the best with them! You make some good points also. Be sure to keep an eye out for the next video with our decision in :)
Listening to your video and the tour around and the impression I am getting from you is that you may not want to break her and yes many comments may say break her but I feel looking at the work that you have done before this would not be such a great challenge especially to 5142. My stance is go for it and save another and would be great to see her on the rails again.
There seems to be a lot of work to do in sorting leaks which will need a lot of stripping, but if you have it in a dry shed then you can't then observe the leaks in action, sounds like it's a parts donor, particularly if the doors are usable on other units as well as the good mechanics.
Tough one. You guys are the experts, it’s sounds better than 412 was, you make it sound too good to scrap, but equally - no brake van and then add in time and money. I’d like to see it kept, but it’s not my time or money.
We had a few of this type of unit, when they withdrew the north tyneside electrics 1967 they only lasted a only for a short time as they found in the morning and evening rush hour the doors would not open or shut with too many standing passengers
Having seen the posts on the midland railway Facebook it’s going to be broken up. A real shame really but understandable as there’s some valuable parts to be had!
Yuo can't save em all that is true. One question I guess is based on what you said about 51370. Would it make sense to convert 51400 into a DMBS using parts from 51370. Then scrap the remainder and create a pool of spares such as two engines, transmissions, bogies, exhausters etc etc etc Or would it be seen by preservationists as sacrilege to convert a DMS into a DMBS ? Logically cannibalise 51400 as use it's bits on 51370 and the spares shed. Do you havea shed or should 51400 become your stores shed ? Obviously you would beed to treat the rood and windows to keep the weather out Always more questions than answers but good luck guys
Some interesting and good ideas there a conversation would be difficult and probably easier to salvage 51370 instead as not much is wrong with her apart from rotten metal work. We do have a stores container also.
It's a difficult choice. I'm not all that surprised that manpower is short to keep these units going, everyone loves locomotives (both steam and diesel) but I suspect bog units just don't have the same attraction as a loco does. Personally I'd always like to see these saved as I used to travel on these a lot. But I'd also entirely understand if it needs to be disassembled in order to keep the others going.
It would be good to see it restored. I use to like the non gangwayed class 115 & 116 DMU,s around Birmingham in the early to mid eighties. They were scruffy but that was part of their character. Sadly none of those kind of units made it into preservation as far as I know. So though this is a class 117 unit it would be good to see it saved & restored for others to ride on and enjoy.
Weirdly enough, the interior is not in that bad shape given the fact that some of the outer panels are rotten through - I have been on services aboard at least one Derby Lightweight with a more tatty interior than this, but perhaps that was due to budget issues at the railway in question. They may have had to concentrate more on the mechanical side to keep it running, with no money being left over to pep up the interior. Will be interesting to see what your decision is.
Save it - there is nothing wrong with it - Too Much gets scraped and used for parts its a labour of love but put the work in now saves it for generations - or maybe look at reaching out to the industry and see if it could be a test bed for Worlds First Battery DMU
Some good points you make there and there is a battery unit which is a Derby lightweight based at the royal Deeside railway in Scotland. As for the outcome of this unit keep an eye out for the next video!
**This lot is just me, thinking aloud** OK, so we've a moderately well represented class of high capacity corridor fitted DMMU with seemingly decent undergubbins and bodywork issues something of an unknown quantity. Practically anything CAN be restored, if enough money gets thrown at it (just look at Ffesterbahn No.4 Palmerston for proof of THAT statement), so question has to be how useful is a restored 117 DMS .... as a working unit, rather than an inefficiently stored pile of spares, or something to keep 20mtrs of rail from blowing away. Questions arising: ● Is there undercover storage, or at least tarps to prevent further deterioration pending restoration? ● If not, how much would sufficient tarp coverings run to whilst this one is stored? For that matter, what costs are associated with storage (nothing comes for free these days)? ● What would be the restoration battle plan? Stabilisation phase, then placed in the queue? Or an 'as and when' perhaps batch processing jobs shared on other restorations? ● Fully restored, what would happen to the unit? I don't know what the demand is on heritage lines for high capacity ... though I'm tending towards "much better than it was before Fos y Fan closed down". Do you fellas do any grease monkey work on engines? You mention this beastie hasn't run in service for 5 years, but when was the engine last started? What sort of condition is the mechanical side in and has 'winterising' for longer term storage happened, or will it happen? These 1st gen DMMUs have been Cinderella on every night except the ball since the 'big railway' dispensed with their services. Just look at what we've lost in 'preservation'. Not all of what was broken has even gone into the spares pile .... and that's plain crazy. Could 51400 be restored? Yes Would 51400 have enough of a future to justify restoration? Increasingly Likely Is there sufficient interest to fund a restoration? Without some outline plan or loose costing, that's even more of an uphill battle and time spent on paperwork isn't being spent in the workshop.
hi there, i would break it for spares, unless you have the room for it and staff to fix it,, what state are the engines in ?.when last serviced ? ie, oil lube changed etc, best of luck
You guys are the experts. You know the score. It's not a DMBS. It is more realistic to use it to rebuild the others and help other owners as well. It's not worth overstretching yourself. And of course the question is will it speed up the restoration of yours
Just a shame we don't have the Class 124 Transpennine Units, thanks to Asbestos, NYMR couldn't save one! I wonder if anyone will ever bother to do a new build?
Restoring a diesel railcar, where do you start? You start by building a shed to keep it in. You don't restore something only to store it outside in all weathers. That would be spitting against the wind
Sometimes there is no option but to restore one then have it outside as not all heritage railways have storage sheds and even if they do space is a premium. Surely it’s better to restore one and keep on top of maintenance even outside than not at all? :)
There is a parallel with classic car restoration. Sometimes you need specific spares for your own restoration and buying a complete vehicle releases those bits leaving you with the possibility of getting your money back on parts you can sell or exchange. You know the market but it appears to me this vehicle should be dismantled. As you say, it is not a DMBS.
Going back 10 plus years ago they had a really nice 110 Calder valley unit, which has now gone elsewhere. Since then they seem to have run dmus without doing much obvious restoration or tlc.
Much worse units are being kept (some even in service), and this one looks too good to scrap. Sadly, I expect the outcome to be parting out while the ones that ought to be being scrapped will just sit, mouldering, forever. At least you guys will make the most of the parts.
Another one that is worth going for a ride on is 51618 at the Llangollen Railway. Rolls Royce engines with hydraulic transmission and an original interior is something different and rateable. 👍🏻
That is in decent condition and too good to scrap I think, there are far worse out there. Do it up and sell it if you don't need it yourself? If it's in better condition than one of your existing units, scrap that one instead?
Looking beyond the dirt, this unit is in too good a condition to scrap. The chances are that another one will eventually turn up well beyond economic repair that you can scrap instead.
In my view you don't scrap a really good unit for spares. It sounds to me like you're trying to talk yourselves out of doing the right thing. The bottom line is that it's your unit and your decision though.
Your supposed to be restoring things says alot you are or not that’s it Stay restore save it restore or not I’ve been restoring for 50 plus years and still not given up I say Restore it it’s half done Barry
These old units sound really good when restored and are still very comfortable. Much better than anything that was built to replace them.
Lots of good points made here be sure to keep an eye out for the next video with our outcome!
You can't save everything in preservation and I think it's a really well balanced video you've made here about whether it's to save or restore. There will always be the people comment that you must save everything no matter what, but those people usually aren't putting in the man hours to do that work required to restore what we have left. I think I've had some spoilers and ive seen the results of what's happening to this vehicle already and might I say I think you guys have made the most sensible and rational decisions for the benefit of preservation.
I'm Doing restoration work on a vehicle myself that has no spares and no chance of spares as the rest of the fleet was scrapped long ago, so you really cannot underestimate the value of having this available to you. Best of luck lads 👍
Many thanks for your comment and some of the valid points you have made :)
Save it, always save it
Well done guys this country needs people like you to sort out and restore cars, planes and trains etc . I will have to pay you a visit at some point . Good luck with it all !
Many thanks for your kind words, we are certainly trying to do our bit. :)
Scrap or Save? I initially thought "Who stole this thumbnail title from my channel?"
I then watched the entire video and thought "Good on them!" After all we are all on the same side and in the same boat trying to save what we can.
Keep up the good work guys 👍
Save it
I love the old diesel-hydraulics. Rode on a few when I was in England.
They are certainly cracking locos!
I hope that they can save and preserve(and hopefully rebuild) these diesel locomotives and railcars!..
Save it. So many already broken up for spares
Excellent all the very best of luck. Woody 👍
Thanks mate :)
Save it , it don't look too bad. Start with a good clean and it will look better
I'd say save it.
My motto is ‘once it's gone, its gone!’
Also add all the best luck 👍🏻
The tyres are amazingly thick. So it was worth buying as a source of parts even if there was major structural issues
Most certainly the tyres were a main factor in the purchase for us!
1:24 the answer is yes, it is always yes
I think you should pull it to bits restore what needs restoration get all of the pieces painted looking good to protect them . Overhaul the engine gearbox etc. then stick them on the shelf as spares. you have enough units to maintain at the moment. You will need spares in the future. And they are getting harder to find. The only other way to get spares these days is to have them made. But that’s expensive. 👍👍👍👍👍👍
A very good idea and a well thought out answer! Many thanks for the comment be sure to keep an eye out for the next video!
Fantastic Video Guys - Really Enjoyed!
51400 was part of 117705 with 51358 working from Willesden Junction to Clapham Junction around 1994
Many thanks mate, glad you enjoyed the video and thanks for the interesting facts :)
You have the skills to do the work, 😀 put them to good use. I think save it as a complete unit.
Many thanks for the compliment! We certainly have lots of work to do now!
I am not an expert by any means, but for me I'd like to see you save it and restore it so it could be used on a heritage railway somewhere.
Many thanks for your thoughts and views all will be revealed in a future video!
Nice one, lads. I wish you all well in your endeavour.
Many thanks we are glad you enjoyed the video :)
@RailcarRestorers I have major respect you people like you, who save our heritage. My mate worked on Dinmore Manor 7820 for a few years.
@ Many thanks for the kind words :)
ScotRail had the 117s on the Fife Circle at Peak Times, Edinburgh to Perth via Ladybank, and sometimes on the North Berwick before the 305s.
I bet that was an awesome trip round the Fife on 3 car suburbans!
Save it!!
As a point of interest though…. Taking account of the vast amount of non-recyclable materials, the potential of large amounts of asbestos, and the cost of transporting down to Barnsley or Newport - Would a breaker pay you for it, or would it be more a case of you having to pay for environmentally safe disposal? The potential for this argument is even greater if you were to ‘Parts Out’ the running units and bogies prior to disposal.
Lots of good points there keep an eye out for our next video to see the outcome!
I've seen enough go to the cutters torch and end up fragged into containers to be taken to the smelters, so if it can be saved whole then great, but if it would extend the running life of another five units as spares then so-beit.
Please save it; quite a unique number and as you mention running quite recently so easier to restore. Must be plenty of others left to rot for decades which can be scrapped for parts instead of this one
Lots of good points made here be sure to keep an eye out for the next video with our outcome!
I think it should be saved as its in such good nick, and it'll be nice to have around still
Save of course..
Save it please
I think it would be best to dismantle it as it would help preserve many others.
Good clean and wash sort out the cosmetics and interior and doors. You have a great running unit once you can sort out the driving end. It's your choice obviously.
Thanks for your thoughts be sure to keep an eye out for our decision video :)
There are better candidates for scrapping out there. I think I'd keep in one piece. I had a fleet of 4 Rustons, 3 of which were out on hire, whilst the 4th had some minor da,age to the running gear but was otherwise in good order. When a part failed on the hire fleet I removed the replacement from the 4th loco but had the damaged part overhauled and put into store. At the end of the contract I had 3 working locos and a 4th with newly overhauled components ready to put into traffic
Lots of good points made here be sure to keep an eye out for the next video with our outcome!
maybe you could consider keeping this unit and maybe part out one of the others?
This was one of the WR sets that was painted in chocolate and cream livery for the GWR 150 celebrations in 1985 before being transferred to NSE. It's a celebrity. I see you have 59509 too, whopp whopp. As 51358 was scrapped, some artist licence or a mascarade would need to complete the set. Definitely keep it. Could be used in a DMU set, or at the end of a running set in chocolate and cream livery. Up to you.
There was only one set painted in GWR chocolate and cream livery that was set B430 of which we have the only remaining vehicle which is TCL 59520.
It is British Rail Green underneath the Rail Blue...
Ah... the GWR150 set had 51400, not 51410. I googled 51410 to find out a bit more about it and for some reason 51400 came up. That led me right down a rabbit hole. I didn't notice the subtle difference. Glad the trailer survived.
0Being part of the team working on the class 15 and the CoBo I know how long and tedious restoration can be and how difficult it can be to acquire spare or replacement parts.
But on these units many parts are interchangeable between the classes.
Seen the quite good shape this unit is in where body work is the only main issue I would suggest to keep it as a whole.
Maybe it can help to complete a full 3 car set 117 DMU on another railway.
It would even be possible to convert it into a DMBS if there is more need for one to complete a set.
In the timespan restoration takes place this unit can donate parts to the other units to keep them serviceable, but overhaul the old parts which come off these as soon as funds are available. Keeping the rest of the fleet running will create funds for their overhaul and probably for the bodywork on 51400 as well.
I have seen far worse being restored, like the Cravens 105 on our railway. Of course there is just one 105 saved and many 117s but still, there are far worse DMU cars out there.
Having good welders in the team is a bonus, and on non structural parts like skins and roofs you can train other team members welding skills.
The CoBo and Class 15 are wonderful projects that we have seen in person so I would like to wish you all the best with them! You make some good points also. Be sure to keep an eye out for the next video with our decision in :)
Listening to your video and the tour around and the impression I am getting from you is that you may not want to break her and yes many comments may say break her but I feel looking at the work that you have done before this would not be such a great challenge especially to 5142. My stance is go for it and save another and would be great to see her on the rails again.
There seems to be a lot of work to do in sorting leaks which will need a lot of stripping, but if you have it in a dry shed then you can't then observe the leaks in action, sounds like it's a parts donor, particularly if the doors are usable on other units as well as the good mechanics.
Lots of good points made here be sure to keep an eye out for the next video with our outcome!
Tough one. You guys are the experts, it’s sounds better than 412 was, you make it sound too good to scrap, but equally - no brake van and then add in time and money. I’d like to see it kept, but it’s not my time or money.
Like see saved as so much lost in past
Parts is best
We had a few of this type of unit, when they withdrew the north tyneside electrics 1967 they only lasted a only for a short time as they found in the morning and evening rush hour the doors would not open or shut with too many standing passengers
Sounds like a usual suburban lol thanks for the comment :)
Having seen the posts on the midland railway Facebook it’s going to be broken up. A real shame really but understandable as there’s some valuable parts to be had!
This is a different unit to the one at Midland railway centre. That is a class 127 vehicle.
I think you should restore it back to running condition.
Scrap it for spares!
Most certainly an idea stay tuned for the next video to see our decision!
Save it ,you will regret sending it for scrap !
Some Northern hospitality!
Indeed mate very lovely railway!
I couldn’t be more complementary about the Wensleydale Railway if I tried.
All the people we met were most helpful and supportive. 👍🏻
Yuo can't save em all that is true.
One question I guess is based on what you said about 51370. Would it make sense to convert 51400 into a DMBS using parts from 51370. Then scrap the remainder and create a pool of spares such as two engines, transmissions, bogies, exhausters etc etc etc Or would it be seen by preservationists as sacrilege to convert a DMS into a DMBS ?
Logically cannibalise 51400 as use it's bits on 51370 and the spares shed. Do you havea shed or should 51400 become your stores shed ? Obviously you would beed to treat the rood and windows to keep the weather out
Always more questions than answers but good luck guys
Some interesting and good ideas there a conversation would be difficult and probably easier to salvage 51370 instead as not much is wrong with her apart from rotten metal work. We do have a stores container also.
If you need 4 vehicles and the below floor area is good, then keep it. If a better one is likely to come along, then part it out
Keep it
It's a difficult choice. I'm not all that surprised that manpower is short to keep these units going, everyone loves locomotives (both steam and diesel) but I suspect bog units just don't have the same attraction as a loco does. Personally I'd always like to see these saved as I used to travel on these a lot. But I'd also entirely understand if it needs to be disassembled in order to keep the others going.
Lots of good points made here be sure to keep an eye out for the next video with our outcome!
It would be good to see it restored. I use to like the non gangwayed class 115 & 116 DMU,s around Birmingham in the early to mid eighties. They were scruffy but that was part of their character. Sadly none of those kind of units made it into preservation as far as I know. So though this is a class 117 unit it would be good to see it saved & restored for others to ride on and enjoy.
Many thanks for the comment all will be revealed in the next video!
I think you guys should get some really good spares and make a good set out of the ones you already got and have lots of spare for the years coming!
Thanks for your thoughts mate all will be revealed in a future video!
Weirdly enough, the interior is not in that bad shape given the fact that some of the outer panels are rotten through - I have been on services aboard at least one Derby Lightweight with a more tatty interior than this, but perhaps that was due to budget issues at the railway in question. They may have had to concentrate more on the mechanical side to keep it running, with no money being left over to pep up the interior. Will be interesting to see what your decision is.
Many thanks for the comment there is lots of thinking to do! All will be revealed in the next video :)
Save it - there is nothing wrong with it - Too Much gets scraped and used for parts
its a labour of love but put the work in now saves it for generations - or maybe look at reaching out to the industry and see if it could be a test bed for Worlds First Battery DMU
Some good points you make there and there is a battery unit which is a Derby lightweight based at the royal Deeside railway in Scotland. As for the outcome of this unit keep an eye out for the next video!
**This lot is just me, thinking aloud**
OK, so we've a moderately well represented class of high capacity corridor fitted DMMU with seemingly decent undergubbins and bodywork issues something of an unknown quantity.
Practically anything CAN be restored, if enough money gets thrown at it (just look at Ffesterbahn No.4 Palmerston for proof of THAT statement), so question has to be how useful is a restored 117 DMS .... as a working unit, rather than an inefficiently stored pile of spares, or something to keep 20mtrs of rail from blowing away.
Questions arising:
● Is there undercover storage, or at least tarps to prevent further deterioration pending restoration?
● If not, how much would sufficient tarp coverings run to whilst this one is stored? For that matter, what costs are associated with storage (nothing comes for free these days)?
● What would be the restoration battle plan? Stabilisation phase, then placed in the queue? Or an 'as and when' perhaps batch processing jobs shared on other restorations?
● Fully restored, what would happen to the unit? I don't know what the demand is on heritage lines for high capacity ... though I'm tending towards "much better than it was before Fos y Fan closed down".
Do you fellas do any grease monkey work on engines? You mention this beastie hasn't run in service for 5 years, but when was the engine last started? What sort of condition is the mechanical side in and has 'winterising' for longer term storage happened, or will it happen?
These 1st gen DMMUs have been Cinderella on every night except the ball since the 'big railway' dispensed with their services. Just look at what we've lost in 'preservation'. Not all of what was broken has even gone into the spares pile .... and that's plain crazy.
Could 51400 be restored? Yes
Would 51400 have enough of a future to justify restoration? Increasingly Likely
Is there sufficient interest to fund a restoration? Without some outline plan or loose costing, that's even more of an uphill battle and time spent on paperwork isn't being spent in the workshop.
A very well thought out reply you bring up some excellent points we are very impressed! Be sure to wait and see the units outcome in the next video!
If breaking one unit saves several more units . Its the thing to do . Sometimes we need to look at the bigger picture
hi there, i would break it for spares, unless you have the room for it and staff to fix it,, what state are the engines in ?.when last serviced ? ie, oil lube changed etc, best of luck
A good point you make the mechanical state of the unit is excellent :)
You guys are the experts. You know the score. It's not a DMBS. It is more realistic to use it to rebuild the others and help other owners as well. It's not worth overstretching yourself. And of course the question is will it speed up the restoration of yours
A well thought out answer many thanks and all will be revealed in a future video!
Just a shame we don't have the Class 124 Transpennine Units, thanks to Asbestos, NYMR couldn't save one!
I wonder if anyone will ever bother to do a new build?
A gaping hole in preservation that’s for sure.
I have done a euromillions ticket so if I win you have given me food for thought. 👍🏻
Restoring a diesel railcar, where do you start?
You start by building a shed to keep it in. You don't restore something only to store it outside in all weathers. That would be spitting against the wind
Sometimes there is no option but to restore one then have it outside as not all heritage railways have storage sheds and even if they do space is a premium. Surely it’s better to restore one and keep on top of maintenance even outside than not at all? :)
Save it - seems in too good a condition to scrap for parts
There is a parallel with classic car restoration. Sometimes you need specific spares for your own restoration and buying a complete vehicle releases those bits leaving you with the possibility of getting your money back on parts you can sell or exchange. You know the market but it appears to me this vehicle should be dismantled. As you say, it is not a DMBS.
Indeed buying a whole vehicle for that purpose could prove very handy! All will be revealed in the next video :)
I think you should use it for spares and complete a really solid 117 set which will have the spares to be around years.
Thanks for your comment that is a very solid option!
Going back 10 plus years ago they had a really nice 110 Calder valley unit, which has now gone elsewhere. Since then they seem to have run dmus without doing much obvious restoration or tlc.
The class 110 is now based on the east Lancashire railway.
Restore
Rotten feeling you will scrap it. I would like it restored as these dont grow on trees.
Lots of ideas and avenues to take be sure to keep an eye out for the next video with our decision!
Much worse units are being kept (some even in service), and this one looks too good to scrap. Sadly, I expect the outcome to be parting out while the ones that ought to be being scrapped will just sit, mouldering, forever. At least you guys will make the most of the parts.
Lots of good points made here be sure to keep an eye out for the next video with our outcome!
Save it please thank you
Hi guys does the unit start
We haven’t tried it but the engines are in great shape :)
Possibly a stupid question coming from a model railway background but can they be converted to 121's??
A 117 DMBS probably could but lots of effort and money!
@RailcarRestorers but isn't it more useful than needing the other end of the 117?
@@Jamie096The DMBS is the guards brake end so probably the most important vehicle in the train!
For each of you ! What is your favourite class 1st gen dmu ?
We will all go with the obvious choice of class 117 but we do have soft spots for class 116, 104 and 103
Another one that is worth going for a ride on is 51618 at the Llangollen Railway.
Rolls Royce engines with hydraulic transmission and an original interior is something different and rateable. 👍🏻
Do a thorough examination of the body before you decide what to do ?
That definitely a good place to start. Many thanks for the comment :)
That is in decent condition and too good to scrap I think, there are far worse out there. Do it up and sell it if you don't need it yourself? If it's in better condition than one of your existing units, scrap that one instead?
Restore if in that good knick
Looking beyond the dirt, this unit is in too good a condition to scrap. The chances are that another one will eventually turn up well beyond economic repair that you can scrap instead.
In my view you don't scrap a really good unit for spares. It sounds to me like you're trying to talk yourselves out of doing the right thing. The bottom line is that it's your unit and your decision though.
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I think it should be saved, looks far too good to scrap.
Your supposed to be restoring things says alot you are or not that’s it Stay restore save it restore or not I’ve been restoring for 50 plus years and still not given up I say Restore it it’s half done Barry
We are definitely restoring vehicles this channel is proof of that include the main feature so far our very on 51412!
Scrap it for spares all day long!
looks like junk so I would scrap it please.
You scrap it.
Save it
Save it