BIG & BORING…But I Bought Them! - Neumann KH420 speaker review
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neumann are the most underrated speakers in the world.... the 310's are unreal
No is PSI Audio
Depends on what you’re doing with them and what genre. Extremely sterile and uninspiring boxes
@@JayDay285 Thats good for achieving proper translation.
@@bartzlaurent6853Yeah heard great things about PSI
Good to have you back, love your new toys and having used your mastering service, well, very educational and one happy client!
big like! , I would wanna see your guys tuning that system! that would be something to watch for me! would watch 4 hours of this stuff. next time do a series of vids when you're building\tuning the new studio \ hardware 🙏
Had my KH420’s, 120’s and 80’s now in our studio/demoroom for a year and can really recommend them.
I went from Rokits to the KH 80's around 4 years ago. As I havent heard many other monitors I have no reference point when people say they are 'boring'. Going from what I had they sounded amazing. My mixes are now translating well and its thanks to these monitors.
As always , very nice and informative Videos.
thanks for this vid bro , always looking for good speakers seem a good price also .been looking to get new speakers for over a year HATE speaker cash on gear coz it never ends . done more research than think and every one says different things .
I got them too. Love them. They are actually Klein & Hummel, the german standard for Radio and TV. I also love the old Klein & Hummel stuff like the O92.
Nice one mate! Looks like you finally gave in and started mixing and mastering haha!
Well kind of
Finally. Hopefully I can get these some day, but the KH310s still blow me away every time
Thanks for the great vid Streaky! What I would love to see is a video explaining why you decided to keep the Magnetismus 2 and how you like to use it? Also any chance of getting the Schwerkraftmaschine from tegeler in for a review? I love their units but their cryptic website a is a little difficult to get an understanding of their gear tbh.
Cheers Streaky!
I Love Neumann KH420...
It just so beautiful.
Yeah I checked these out and they sounded great! At the time for me it was between these and the Genelec 8351bs, which I ended up going for because of transient detail, point source, room practicality
I feel I made the right decision for me, but to be honest as a listening speaker I tend to prefer the sound of the Neumanns. Good to see you with these and I hope to see more adopt them tbh
very nice video - good style - great speakers
I absolutely love my KH310's. The detail, it's like a microscope for my ears. I would love to hear the 420's. I'd be equally curious to hear the smaller ones and try mixing a track on them, not that I need any different speakers though, my mixing is sounding more on point than ever before with the 310's, I am super happy with them.
I have them as well, as per Streaky's recommendation. I've been using them for a few months now and they're stellar. They're so clear sounding, very detailed. A joy to work on, really.
Hey bro, i have a pair of adam a7x , but im chasing my tale and always getting surprises when i check my mixes in the car!! Mixing lows is confusing and sonar works reference is not solving the problem, should i buy the 310s?
I love them, Honestly my mixes have sounded better than ever, mixing on the KH310's, however, you should at least get acoustic panels for the first reflection points, to at least somewhat control your rooms acoustics. But as far as the Adams' go, those were what I was gonna buy before getting these, but I didn't. But I love the KH's. Also, whatever monitors you decide to get, I would highly recommend using Sonarworks, or something similar. The combination of the Neumanns and Sonarworks is wonderful, my mixes finally sound legit professional because I can hear what I'm doing in a broader context. Just my 2 cents, I love them. Btw, I originally wanted ATC's for the same reason, but the Neumann's were like half the cost and I don't regret the decision at all.
@@iTimestretcher I'm curious why you use Sonarworks with your Nuemanns when the subwoofer has DSP for calibration built-in. Do you not own a KH 750?
@@ilikemyrealname No I don't own the sub, I have a Subwoofer Pros sub.
I wholeheartedly agree with you that the Neumann KH line is extraordinary❣️
I use the KH 80s and the KH 750 DSP in my home setup. I've also used the KH 310s-which are fantastic-and tested the KH 120s.
I've found that with all of these monitors there is a definite break-in period; you'll hear it once they're broken in.
My friend Mike Senior and I are on the same page when it comes to these wonderful Neumanns, and even Paul White from Sound-On-Sound said to me that the Neumanns are very hard to beat.
The break-in period is possibly entirely mental. I've never seen any fastidious measurements showing a statistically-significant difference in a speaker that's been played for three months. Speakers of all kinds take getting used to.
@@Hexspa I've used monitors and headphones that haven't needed a break-in period, and I've used monitors and headphones that clearly have. There are manufacturers that even recommend a break-in period. When I am breaking in a monitor, I leave the room and go about my day while I have music continuously playing through them at a reasonable volume. When I come back in, I leave them powered but don't play any music through them to keep my ears objective. I'll do this for a few days. When done, the difference is quite noticeable.
When manufacturers run measurements, they often do so after a break-in period, and at times those can be the monitors that don't need a break-in period when they are for sale.
@@stupendousmusic4190 How do you know this?
@@stupendousmusic4190 Even a 2" difference in head position will change the amplitude response of what you're hearing. Not to mention your perception of your hearing is not identical from day-to-day.
I know it's probably hard to accept but your break-in ritual is probably 99% superstition. TH-cam doesn't allow link posting in comments but you can search for 'Audiosciencereview do audio speakers break-in' and 'audioholics speaker break in fact or fiction'. In both places, you'll find measurements and arguments in support that a fully-assembled speaker should not need more than a short time to break in and even then the results will be less than production-line unit-to-unit variation.
Please don't tell me "use my ears" or make any other unsubstantiated claims. Do not refer me to a manufacturer's manual - they are not all always correct. Prove with independently-verifiable measurements that the difference in response is great enough to be perceptible in a large sample size of speakers. If you can't do that then you do not know if speaker break in for complete loudspeakers is real or not.
@@Hexspa Contacts at different manufacturers have told me so when I have enquired.
Got the KH310 's a few months ago and could not a find a better transient response in the low end anywhere else. The closed box makes them super fast and responsive while keeping a really insane extension in the low-end. I'll probably get the sub eventually and some 80 for an atmos rig. Lots of people told me they found them boring but God, they are truer than a lot of others I've tried. I would've gone for a good pair of PSI if not for those but they're double the money! And bassreflex...
I Bought them too, how did you position them? The distance for listening, wall, etc?
@@steve808_ I have a relatively special position. I'm about 10 feet away from the nearest wall, front to back, and 4-5 feet away from the sidewalls. My ears are about 6 feet away from the monitors.
I do mainly music mastering currently, some mixing and production. Building a new room and looking for a stereo setup that I could expand into atmos later. Obviously these are high on my list and I'm very interested, also because they would probably do well with a range of surrounds. How do you like stereo mastering on these? I'm used to ATCs (old ones, before SL drivers) in a decent room.
Edit: also interested in what you use for speaker management/calibration. Interested in your whole atmos setup actually, looks like something I could go for.
Did you enjoy mixing on the Kii Three’s? Or do you prefer mastering on them?
I’ve got 310’s currently but I’ve got Kii Three’s on order which should be arriving soon! I’ll probably keen the 310’s for reference and tracking.
i would LOVE to hear this room haha
Hey Streaky! Just wondering if adding all of this stuff on the opposite side of the kii 3s made them sound different at all or, was it just worth the compromise in your situation?
Hello Streaky,
First of all, thank you very much to approach your mastering experience, also some tips & tricks with your sense of humor.
Second, I have a precise question about NEUMANN KH310 vs Dolby Atmos requirements. Regarding KH310 specs, they offer 95 dB NPS, with a max 116 dB NPS. What Dolby Atmos specs say is the main speakers LCR should have a constant 85dB NPS in sweet spot listening position.
So why the KH310 do not support Dolby Certification if its specs offer higher SPL levels, considering LCR (3xloudspeakers) add more pressure level than one unit alone (95dB NPS??
I please you to describe as precise as you can, because I'm now studying to design and construct an Dolby Atmos commercial studio.
Thanks a lot
Would be nice to know what happens if you measure with the Neumann MA-1 Mic and compare your "Ear Setting versus Neumann Software Setting" after measurement ...if you have the KH 750 DSP as a sub...
Yes please show us the full tour! :-p X B-)
I don don’t know if you already did… but what about a video on how you use your Avid dock? Signal flow etc.
Wish you've talked more about the other speakers in the Surround system.
Hi streaky ,
I’m just about to buy the KH120’s for mixing in my small studio ,are they a much better choice than the adams ?
Many thanks
Nice. What's the name of the isolation stand things you have on you Neumann speakers?
I didn't really get much information out of this, is there a consensus about the best monitors for Dolby Atmos mixing? What about for all purpose Atmos, production, mixing, and mastering if cost was no issue?
Hi streaky I found this video I have kh 310 and one kh 750. You have two kh 750. How did you conected two sub. Is it dual mono . If I understand L output da to L/A input on sub to kh 420 monitor. What is the benefit of two sub in mastering- phase check in mono? Thank you for advice
Streaky, Have you had a chance to listen to the new KH150? I know that you are a bid fan of the PSI monitors. How would you compare the PSI M17 to the Neumann KH 120? I am considering the KH 120 or KH 150 and the KH750 in a 2 channel monitoring situation. Your thoughts please? Thank you for your work here. It is very much appreciated....John
are these any good have you herd what they sound like or know if there any good Dynaudio CORE 59 3-Way Active Studio Monitors
Would you recommend them for Techno producer for everyday production/mixing ?
I sold my EVE SC307 and replace them with Genelec 1032C - I regretted my decision same day, as Genelec is soo cold and don't have vibe, as EVE's had.
You can keep adding absorption. Just make sure your reflections remain spectrally balanced via the Energy Time Curve measurements. Floyd Toole says people prefer a lot of (spectrally-balanced) liveness but contradicts himself by saying that professionals work in highly-damped environments yet doesn't criticize that fact. Anyway, whether you prefer live or damped, you need to make sure your reflections are not drastically different than your direct sound. That's my understanding up until this point. This is for higher frequencies, mind you, although bass frequencies have similar criteria as outlined by broadcast standards and white papers. Nual Mellor and Jeff Hedback have publications on ETC specifications if you want to dive deeper. Oh, and congrats on your speakers. I'm looking forward to an upgrade at some point myself.
Hello 👋 thx for this review, very instructive ! Did you use a Trinnov on it? They now have a Dolby processor I think costing arround 10k ?
I know incoming!!!
@@Streaky_com Nastily nice 😊
What do you think of the Neumann NDH 20 headphones?
Not heard them
hello streaky, the white diffusers in your studio, are RPG? very thanks
Hi Streaky, how are you routing the LFE in the Atmos Setup? Two 750s seem a little underpowered for your room. Knowing too you’ll need to bass manage your 120s and 80s with the subs as well? Any comments greatly appreciated!
Oh sorry I saw in your Atmos video you have 3 KH750 subs.
Great video ! May I ask how many Subs you use ?!😅
What is the volume (cubic meters) of the space you're working in?
Hi Streaky,
Please forgive this stupid question, can you please consider reviewing PreSonus monitor speakers from the low, midrange, and high price point?
If you have already can you please point me to that video?
I'd kill for these speakers (not literally lol) - I'm a happy camper with Neumann KH310 set and it's an absolutely awesome piece of gear. My mixes translate the best they ever did, I really connect with the sound philosophy of these speakers, and that's what it's really all about. These should absolutely be the next step, but so is the price, at basically double the price of KH310. But man. This setup must absolutely kill it!
Hey Streaky, did you not fancy the PSIs anymore?
Neumanns or PSIs?
Yes would love to see a whole studio tour.
Love the PSI-s. Actually was wondering why Streaky didn't go for PSI-s as he seems to like them aswell a lot.
Neumann's have better controlled directivity, better waveguides hence better power response. Early reflections of Neumann's in a room are aligned better with the direct sound than it is with PSI's.
Appreciate the response guys, big help!
I always wondered if the type of monitors matters that much when you put a correction curve on your output. Like f.e. i run sonarworks sound id on my Yamaha HS8 and they sound 'clean' / neutral and flat in my room (mostly treated but improveable). Like how much difference is noticeable when i get let's say the Adam A7X and measure the speakers according to my room with sonarworks sound ID and get a flat response again. In both cases both monitors sound clean and flat in my room and therefore similar??? Maybe the same?
So again my question is: do monitor types really matter when using them with response correction softwares? Does anybody know something i might miss here?
In a vacuum yes. Factors like transient response, how long does speaker cone takes to stop and how directional your speakers are , play a part as well regarding the overall sound. Even the noise level and the max spl play a part. I say a vacuum because this assumes that there are no other forces that are affecting the frequency response that you would get from measuring the monitors, for example let us say the Yamahas speaker resonates the room at 200 hertz, however the Adams resonates the room at 400 Hertz. Yeah you could use sonarworks to flatten the frequency response, however now each speaker is going to have a frequency which lasts bit longer than the others. And thats even assuming the speaker cone is even as tight as a shoelace at those frequencies lol
@@momoflows1923 thank you! :)
You can't fix problems in the radiation pattern with an equalizer. Lets say you get a peak on axis at x hz, but off axis at the same frequency it is flat or a dip. Then you can never fix the response. You pull the peak down, then your off axis also goes down. So you can't correct it. On pure nearfield you don't hear as much of the reflections, but if you sit a little bit further from them then reflections have a huge influence on the response at your listening position. Even in a treated room.
@@momoflows1923 If they are in the same location they both will resonate the room at the same frequency. Room modes are a property of the room, not the speaker. You can change what room mode you hear at your listening position by either moving the speaker or your listening position. Then the peak will just be at a different frequency. The peak might be louder with a certain speaker, but that is simply because the speaker is playing that frequency louder for some reason.
Nothing against PSI.. But great speakers anyway!
have you heard the Nuemann headphones???
I need the 420s. I want the ultimate control when mixing
Nice 👍👍👍
are you using the DSP room eq stuff built in to the sub at all?
No Trinnov
Stereo ay ?? .. sooo last century innit streaky 😄 (made me lol)
what are the keys?
What happened to the Focals?!
Trying to master on a pair of those 120s would sound like a fun challenge and a great video for us to enjoy ;)
you could even try and add the subs for the low end, that would be interesting too !
Doing mixing and mastering Dolby Atmos course?
Not yet
So, I guess you don't do reviews on Genelec.
Hey Streaky, great video as usual… but… can you lower some 7ks in your camera eq? You esses are coming thru a little too harsh 😁
Pops out nicely on my iPad
That’s just your speakers 😂😂
One set of speakers you should check out - ExMachina Quasars! I got them March of this year, and they easily rival the best of ATC, Barefoot, potentially even Kii or Dutch & Dutch!
Yeah I have ATC 19A about to go to Pulsar mk2 . The Exmachinas are off the charts.
i wanna hear some of those ExMachina speakers but doubt any shops in UK have them for demo , maybe one or two down London maybe i dunno.
Didn't fancy the ns10s in dyed mode anymore i see
They are in the office…👏🏻 good memory
LOl... I think you use the Yamaha's for gamming...
Sennheiser... the german plastic... with the strange combination of hash and bland... how did they do it? And how do they get it so... flat? Ask Genelec.
ATC, Westlake, PMC or Quested... just that bit more detail, and so much more smoothness.
How the holy hell did you afford that kii system a pair retails for $46kUSD - most people cant even afford a car that costly
Ns 10 for stereo stuff , .....could never understand that !
Okay, so I already saw photos of this monitor on the Neurmann Germany website. I was hoping for an actual demo of this thing -- you know, feed some actual audio signal into the actual box and actually power it on, stuff like that, see? No such luck, apparently. Oh well, whatever.
Are you serious about this? I read a similar comment from you on a KH 310 video. So you're longing to experience how they sound through a compressed youtube video, recorded through a microphone and stuff, listening through which system..?! That's freaking hillarious. 😂But maybe you think they're a scam and you just want a proof of them being able to actually produce some fart noises at least. Who knows... 🙄
420 eh.... 😉
Being so boringly neutral… do you think they would be good for mastering as well?
I actually found them rather exciting personally. Just not as much as ATCs which are gorgeous and musical sounding
ATC mid range is amazing…bass is lacking in the wrong room though
Perfect for mastering in a large treated room
Hi
The Kii Threes don’t fix early reflections. Shame shame streaky.
Sorry
Hi, it’s Always a nice thing to write Shame shame about things that isn’t 100 % accurate. let’s try for exemple with your comment, you wrote « streaky » it should be written Streaky with a « S » not « s » or « Kii three » not « Kii Three ». Do you think we should write « Shame shame @Underview” about your comment. Please let me know, it s alway nice to learn this isn’t it?
@@olivierclasse Also, each Kii Three speaker effectively has a 2 meter square baffle which makes frequency’s very directional so less need for first reflection treatment… I think.
YOU YOU ARE USING DIFFERENT SPEAKER MODELS ON YOUR ATMOS SYSTEM, AND WHEN I ASKED FEW DAYS AGO IF WAS POSSIBLE TO USE DIFFERENT SPEAKER MODELS U SAID NO!
maybe some misunderstanding about using different speaker brands or he don't wanna hang big 420s also on the ceiling and rather use smaller ones there
@@cycleofficial4744 EXACTLY, sounds logical that you L-R speaker
would be different and the rest another brand/model
lol "grreat"
...and you dare calling them "BORING"..?... moreover, with "…But I Bought Them!" You deeply offend who saved for long time or worked hard to buy them.and if you say "BIG & BORING…But", i don't think your ears or the part of your brain connected to them working so fine...