Tributes to John Hume - a “champion of peace” in Northern Ireland - BBC News

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  • A “political giant”, a “champion of peace”, one of Ireland's “greatest ever sons”. Leading figures from around the world have been paying tribute to the the Nobel Peace Prize winner and Northern Ireland politician John Hume who has died. He was 83.
    John Hume played a key role in ending decades of violence in Northern Ireland which killed thousands of people.
    Tony Blair, who was prime minister when the Good Friday peace agreement was signed, described him as "a visionary who refused to believe the future had to be the same as the past".
    Fiona Bruce presents BBC News at Ten reporting by Ireland Correspondent Emma Vardy and Denis Murray.
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  • @dereklambe
    @dereklambe 4 ปีที่แล้ว +99

    The greatest Irish person of his generation. Ireland owes him so much.

    • @James-th7wb
      @James-th7wb 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The people who died for the cause are the real heroes

  • @pjnugent8198
    @pjnugent8198 4 ปีที่แล้ว +65

    Proof you dont have to hold a gun to be a patriot. Thank you John Hume. R.I.P.

  • @paulduffy4585
    @paulduffy4585 4 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    John Hume rubbed shoulders with some of the most powerful people on the planet. Yet, every year, about a week before Christmas, he would be driving around Derry delivering turkeys to his brothers and sisters, some of whom wouldn't have had a turkey otherwise. So he may have been a political titan, who managed to do the impossible. But he was also an essentially decent human being. That is what drove him. Love. And that is why he elicited such respect.

  • @oisinconsidine9016
    @oisinconsidine9016 4 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    As an Irishman I can safely say that this man, John Hume, lies up there with the likes of Michael Collins, Wolfe Tone, Daniel O'Connell and the rest as one of the greatest Irish heroes that ever lived. Thank you John.

  • @thomasdelany2034
    @thomasdelany2034 4 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    It was said that all political careers end in failure, not this one. A Titan

    • @mickburke1
      @mickburke1 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      ironic that you would choose a quote from the racist former Ulster Unionist MP , Enoch Powell , to illustrate your point about political careers . Nothing personal against John Hume but I'd like to see careerists out of politics altogether .

  • @ninjaturtledude999
    @ninjaturtledude999 4 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    A courageous man, much respect from a unionist

  • @frankygib
    @frankygib 4 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    A great man who inspired a generation of young people like myself who grew up in the Troubles. I never thought I would see peace there in my lifetime and thousands of people owe their lives and their children's lives to this man. He steered many of us who wanted a United Ireland away from the fascist politics of Sinn Fein and showed us that Socialism and a respect for diversity was a viable alternative to the Armalite and the Semtex of the terrorists on both sides of the divide. May he rest in peace. I don't believe in God but I will say a prayer for this great man and his family anyway because he believed in and fought for peace and my generation.

    • @lfeb
      @lfeb 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That was really nice

  • @richardmartin496
    @richardmartin496 4 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    don't usually make a comment on YT but he was a great great courageous man

  • @WORLD8NSH5KNIGHT1
    @WORLD8NSH5KNIGHT1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    RIP John Hume.
    NI is a small place so to produce a Nobel Laureate and deservedly so is quite something.

    • @maireadnic8280
      @maireadnic8280 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This isn’t to take away from the achievement, but to expand upon it: John Hume had to share it with David Trimble.
      The Troubles also generated Nobel Peace Laureates in Mairead Corrigan and Betty Williams for their founding of the Northern Ireland Peace Movement.

    • @wonjubhoy
      @wonjubhoy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@maireadnic8280 Sean McBride was another Irish winner of the Nobel peace prize.

    • @maireadnic8280
      @maireadnic8280 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @kevin gallagher, thank you. I didn’t mention MacBride’s laureate, as I was referring more specifically to the Troubles, whereas his award was reflecting a broader sphere, including Amnesty International, UNESCO, his work in Africa etc.

  • @Austin8thGenTexan
    @Austin8thGenTexan 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    From Austin, Texas - Respect and Prayers for the repose of the soul of John Hume + 📿 Rest in Peace - Servant of Peace 🌷

  • @WORLD8NSH5KNIGHT1
    @WORLD8NSH5KNIGHT1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Growing up in NI until I was 14 John Hume was always on the 'radar' - always a name that dominated the province - the others being Trimble, Paisley and Adams.

  • @Paul5520
    @Paul5520 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    RIP - a great man that did so much in his lifetime.

  • @martinjordan4627
    @martinjordan4627 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I had the pleasure of meeting Mr Hume once. He was an advocate of peace. RIP.
    If Catholics had been treated as equal citizens in their own country things may have been different.
    He told me he was going to talk to anyone if it meant peace for our country.

  • @anuradhainamdar8967
    @anuradhainamdar8967 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Though I knew about the violence of Northern Ireland, the IRA and also the peace that Northern Ireland enjoys now, I didn't know much about the Good Friday agreement and John Hume ,and his peace efforts, also great that he won the International Gandhi peace award, ( being a Indian) such men are the real people who need to be recognised as Gandhians.

  • @thebeast2746
    @thebeast2746 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Such a sad day Ireland’s Martin Luther king. 🙏🏻🥃

  • @kevinmahon7848
    @kevinmahon7848 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    From NYC A Giant Rest in Peace. God Bless You.

  • @johnsimpson172
    @johnsimpson172 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The greatest and most courageous peacemaker of our time. We are indeed privileged to have witnessed this man's stand in no man's land . This comes from a Christian of the Protestant tradition . My sincerest condolence to the Hume family and may you know at this time the peace of the Lord Jesus Christ. I shall treasure his memory.

  • @leostewart363
    @leostewart363 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I have ceased being amazed by Irish people with surprised expressions who ask "who's John Hume".I tell them that he's the one having to smile whilst a two bit pop singer held up the hands on the 2 Nobel Peace Prize winners.And we know what Mr Trimble was up to not long after.What that saint endured right up to his end is something the people of Derry really appreciate.John Hume never put anyone on Altnagalvin Hospital or the City Cemetery.No! We will NEVER see his like again.

  • @TristinxD
    @TristinxD 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The world needs a lot more stubborn peaceful people.

  • @tarajeetsuryabanshi6329
    @tarajeetsuryabanshi6329 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Pray for departed soul peacefully in the heaven.

  • @meganrobb4549
    @meganrobb4549 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    one of ireland’s greatest sons, so proud to call him my hero

  • @paciskylla2412
    @paciskylla2412 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Emma Vardy 0:34
    A visionary through some of northem ireland's darkest days. John Hume was an enduring advocate of peace. Driven by a belief that negotiation and democracy was the alternative to bullets and bombs. He took on the army. The police and the IRA paramilitaries who tried to bring about a united Ireland by force.
    1:01
    ▪︎ John Hume : there is not a single injustice in northem Ireland today that justifies the taking of a single human life. If I were to lead a civil rights campaign in northem Ireland today, the major target of that campaign would be the IRA.
    1:20
    A career in politics had not been his earliest calling. He trained as a priest and then a teacher. But galvanized by the injustice of discrimination against catholic communities in the 1960s. He became a leading campaigner for housing and employment rights as a catholic who refused to support the IRA. After the troubles broke out, John Hume founded the social democratic and labour party. His objective was to achieve a united Ireland but only through consent.
    1:51
    A great personal risk, in the 1980s, he entered into a secret talks with Jerry Adams, the leader of shin fame, the political voice of the IRA. It provoced anger and criticism but he refused to change course.
    2:11

    • @pablozewoppa
      @pablozewoppa 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Shin fame? *Sinn Féin

  • @lfeb
    @lfeb 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    What honor, I hope his friends and family are well.

  • @caolatoal6716
    @caolatoal6716 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ireland's greatest man

  • @thejohnoreillymusic
    @thejohnoreillymusic 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    An absolute Irish patriot for both sides of a very devided community. Man of Peace, a fantastic read, " you can't eat a flag son," something that things true either side of the devide. A real and true working class hero

  • @WORLD8NSH5KNIGHT1
    @WORLD8NSH5KNIGHT1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    And lets not forget this man faced numerous personal threats. I wouldn't have always supported his positions - talking to the IRA after atrocities for example.
    But his personal courage and determination is undeniable.

    • @derryboyo
      @derryboyo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @KingintheMountain what alot of people dont get is there were more organisations than the ira that committed murder, none more so than the British goverment, john hume shouldn't of had to do the great work he did if the British goverment and unionists had given catholics the same rights as protestants, this could of saved alot of lives and after all who are the government to look down at the ira when they were colluding with loyalists in the murder of alot of innocent catholics and gave the death squads a free pass. But rest in peace john hume, a man who seen the bigger picture long before alot of people did. Shows you dont need to kill people to be a hero.

    • @Stevenbfg
      @Stevenbfg 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Your channel is cringe as is the idea of being a "centrist".

  • @rhssuk
    @rhssuk 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What a great man, if you need hero’s, let this man be your hero. Thank-you John for making this world a better and safer place.

  • @acousticmotorbike2118
    @acousticmotorbike2118 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Hume is my life hero. Loved him. A pity the BBC chose Blair the warmonger to eulogise a true man of peace. That's like getting the Grand Wizard of the KKK eulogise Martin Luther King. BBC hang your heads in shame.

    • @frankygib
      @frankygib 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Very true Martin. Jeremy Corbyn worked hand in glove with him to broker Clinton's ceasefire and they had enormous respect for each other. Yet Corbyn has been airbrushed out of it by the right wing establishment and their media flunkies, including the BBC.

    • @acousticmotorbike2118
      @acousticmotorbike2118 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@frankygib great point. They should've interviewed Corbyn or perhaps the Beast of Bolsover Dennis Skinner. Hume had more in common with both.

  • @ajomcx2923
    @ajomcx2923 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    RIP John a great politician 💚🇮🇪

  • @jhanavkant3038
    @jhanavkant3038 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Yes, he was truly a legend

  • @pjom4191
    @pjom4191 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Bill clinton shouldn't show his face around john Hume. Doesn't bill have some island to be on anyways

    • @RomanHistoryFan476AD
      @RomanHistoryFan476AD 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Nor should Tony "weapons of mass destruction" Blair.

    • @pjom4191
      @pjom4191 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @eman987 10 tbh he also played a HUGE part in sexually abusing young girls

    • @endahynes2596
      @endahynes2596 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      HistoryFan476ad he was vetter than maggie at solving it

    • @RomanHistoryFan476AD
      @RomanHistoryFan476AD 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@endahynes2596 Yeah but Maggie was better at killing IRA members.

    • @endahynes2596
      @endahynes2596 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@RomanHistoryFan476AD and good at finding the UDA

  • @dinoramone6761
    @dinoramone6761 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    His home city gave us him and The Undertones. What a legacy

    • @maireadnic8280
      @maireadnic8280 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Northwest River, and Phil Coulter.

  • @Kenneth_Usher
    @Kenneth_Usher 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A very sad time. No doubt there would not of been peace in Northern Ireland without John Hume.

  • @unclebones
    @unclebones 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The man who helped bring the IRA and UVF to the table and start the negotiations RIP

  • @GkPhotographic
    @GkPhotographic 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    May the Goddess bring blessings on his clan , also his wife, a great women at his side .
    Eire is one Hero short today , we will say his name for 200 years .
    another great Irishman joins the Tuatha at Tir Na nOg.

  • @martinobrien7110
    @martinobrien7110 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    JOHN HUME ' S LEGACY IS THE FUTURE OF IRELAND BY AGREEMENT .

  • @enolux
    @enolux 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thank you, John.

  • @johnbxtrp31
    @johnbxtrp31 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    A brave and respected man. God bless his memory.

  • @lfeb
    @lfeb 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I wish I knew more about him. Are there any good books about him that people would recommend?

    • @lfeb
      @lfeb 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Northwest River thank you!

  • @ronanodonnell1888
    @ronanodonnell1888 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    RIP John Hume

  • @cho1658
    @cho1658 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Tribute to john hume

  • @donnachamcgowan
    @donnachamcgowan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A wonderful man from the City of Derry in 🇮🇪 IRELAND 🇮🇪👏🇮🇪👏🇮🇪

  • @jasonocallaghan4644
    @jasonocallaghan4644 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    RIP

  • @ruthmcilmoyle4941
    @ruthmcilmoyle4941 ปีที่แล้ว

    A great man

  • @savedbygodsgrace.9058
    @savedbygodsgrace.9058 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    RIP.

  • @finitekosmos
    @finitekosmos 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    John Hume, was a giant of Irish politics who advocated for peace and an end to the tit-fortat exchanges between paramilitary forces and the British Government. The Good Friday agreement has been one of the greatest achievements in British Politics in the 20th century. It is now endangered by Brexit.

    • @luxx1346
      @luxx1346 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The good Friday agreement is a joke, their still planting bombs and shooting up the place to this day.

    • @luxx1346
      @luxx1346 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Mac Toirdealbhaigh www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/dissident-bomb-was-intended-to-blow-up-on-board-brexit-day-ferry-1.4163813 Yea they are you spoon

    • @pcmaclin
      @pcmaclin 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Mac Toirdealbhaigh yes they are so. Do try to keep yourself up to date. You are obviously not current at the moment. Update required.

    • @pcmaclin
      @pcmaclin 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Mac Toirdealbhaigh The name ain't Billy, you dope, why haven't you addressed the FACTS pointed out to you via the comments on here. You still updating your IQ?

    • @pcmaclin
      @pcmaclin 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Mac Toirdealbhaigh oh, we're talking tea cups now are we, this is getting really serious 🤣🤣🤣

  • @mrrooter3630
    @mrrooter3630 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Now there was a real politician for the people. Not in it for the pay check or the seats but to make the change that the people want. RIP John Hume.

  • @edwardruane8993
    @edwardruane8993 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hero!

  • @citizensnid3490
    @citizensnid3490 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I sense his greatness. RIP a man of peace

  • @firstname__lastname
    @firstname__lastname 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wow. It's so crazy to hear about the Troubles and how it ended only in 98... :(

    • @firstname__lastname
      @firstname__lastname 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Jack Cade I absolutely agree. I am totally ignorant to Troubles. 98 is not that long ago as well. Wow :(

    • @1517the_year
      @1517the_year 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Jack Cade I was literally born in 1998. First generation to know peace and I’m greatful.

    • @1517the_year
      @1517the_year 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Joshua Phillips it’s not nearly as bad as it was. If you believe in perfection, you believe in a fantasy.

  • @keithkeegan9776
    @keithkeegan9776 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    RIP jhon home

  • @sandrarichardson4639
    @sandrarichardson4639 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Blessings°™.

  • @patwarburtonr7488
    @patwarburtonr7488 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Waiting for the Rapture when all hell will break loose. The Lord is giving everyone a chance.. I implore you to make the right choice the only choice. Chose life in abundance!

  • @nonleaguematters8087
    @nonleaguematters8087 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Why won't u report on innovate who have partnered with our health care system just recently which states on our gov. UK website.
    Bill and Melinda gates now have full access to all UK health records and will be in full control of all our future vaccines plus the mandatory covid vax which will be forced upon us all soon.

  • @BRPop86
    @BRPop86 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for your service to Ireland. And the world.

  • @xxnoobslayer136rblx9
    @xxnoobslayer136rblx9 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Rest in peace

  • @michaelh.8454
    @michaelh.8454 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yes, sure... 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

  • @juhis8921
    @juhis8921 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hmmmm i dont know that man put im not from genland im from Finland but rest in peace

  • @heyzus
    @heyzus 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A man who would dance to any fiddler to keep his hand in the fiscal pocket!

  • @harleyblue999
    @harleyblue999 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Where is the tribute for Bernell Trammell.

    • @fongfeen
      @fongfeen 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      What a stupid comment. First of All, this is BBC in the UK not Fox News in the States. This has a local, national and International context for viewers of this program. Bernell Trammell is know by very few over here. I had to google him. F**k s*ke man, maybe learn and understand before engaging in whataboutery.

    • @harleyblue999
      @harleyblue999 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      fongfeen You cant see the point can you.

    • @fongfeen
      @fongfeen 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@harleyblue999 Enlighten me.

    • @harleyblue999
      @harleyblue999 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      fongfeen morcambe and wise both with nothing to offer,enlightened enough.

    • @fongfeen
      @fongfeen 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@harleyblue999 sorry, i feel guilty now. you're clearly senile. please ask the man in the blue uniform if he can up your dosage. Also i heard Irish step dancing helps, (something to do with the combination of memorising steps and physical activity) that might be a fun activity for you.

  • @mi3jhf
    @mi3jhf 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Trouble maker good fkn rids

  • @martinhasson4942
    @martinhasson4942 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    HUME'S LEGACY IS
    ABOVE 🔭🌏🌏🌏🌟

  • @Debarghaya_Mukherjee
    @Debarghaya_Mukherjee 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    destroy IRA and stop differentiate between Catholics and protestants system why difference when both were same religion..!! so much hate for religious beliefs. sad!

    • @Debarghaya_Mukherjee
      @Debarghaya_Mukherjee 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Sheep so whats the solution?? keep infiltrate violence till u all die? i have learned that IRA even killed own irish citizens too. hate against an hate never create any solution . i really wish/hope one the you all sidelined past hate,ignorance,division,religious tension & 4 tiny countries (eng,ire,scot,welsh)jointly became a republic. even we indian have over 33 regional languages,culture & also different variation of traditions on same religion but we all stay together united as a indian. even we indians have a history of fighting between us for power and empire before brit of other europeans came to india. by division the hate will rise but by united we all can live happily. its very sad to see how all european countries gets divided or getting divided . may be we asians don't used to it we really love to stay together so there is no division or hardly any separatism movement between us. in past one powerful empire or tribes may oppressed others but fighting or hating for that was a foolishness.

  • @mikki3562
    @mikki3562 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    John Hume spent his whole political career appeaseing Unionist bigotry and British imperialism. He called for peace, but this was directed only at republican resistance to British and Unionist violence. He accepted British ownership of the north of Ireland, and his legacy is one of submission to British imperialism. There is no peace in an occupied Ireland. The British and their attack-dogs of the Unionist paramilitaries, their Orange death-squads of the UVF and UDA remain just as the British occupation of the north of Ireland remains. John Hume spent his political career appeasing British imperialism and the Orange death-squads, while advocating that republicans should abandon resistance to British and Orange military oppression as a form of violence. But he never identified the origin, and the constant source of ongoing violence in the north. It is the British occupation and their various proxies: i. e. the UVF, UDA and some smaller Orange death-squads. They are the only source of so-called violence, but John Hume of course ignored this fact and he concentrated on winning over the republican movement to his position of appeasement of Unionism and British imperialism. Ireland is wall to wall now on every tv and radio channel with eulogies of John Hume's politics. But it is bogus, submission to Ireland's enemies through appeasement, which in the end will achieve nothing exccept further ingratiating the British and their unionist settlers, and strengthening their resolve to humiliate Ireland and prevent it achieving its full economic and political potential in the modern wold as a fully independent republic encompassing all of its national territory. John Hume's legacy is one of submission to imperialism. using the Christian morality of cowardice and self-contempt as his constant message.

    • @paulduffy4585
      @paulduffy4585 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No. He demanded equality and social justice. And was an individual who possessed massive integrity.

    • @mikki3562
      @mikki3562 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@paulduffy4585 I accept that you believe in the official narrative that John Hume altered the face of British/Unionist, overt racism. But those cosmetic changes were inevitable and in accordance with the removal of apartheid in South Africa and the USA. You may also dislike what I say, and I understand that, but it is irrefutably the reality. We can pretend that the British occupation of a part of Irish territory, established by violence and kept by violence and the threat of violence, is somehow now acceptable, but we can only do that until the British start another conflict just as they started the last one. That was another great myth: that the Irish people started the conflict, when it was started by the racist, British colonial state and its racist mobs. When they were driven out of nationalist areas, the British sent in their army, killing and marauding, thereby starting the military conflict. And no amount of eulogies to John Hume's political role can change these facts. In reality there were some cosmetic changes, but nothing has changed to alter the nature of British occupation in Ireland. Only the total removal of Britain from Ireland and its sectarian entity will take away the constant underlying threat of violence.

    • @paulduffy4585
      @paulduffy4585 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@mikki3562 a lot of assumptions there pal. The irrefutable reality is that we are no longer shoveling body parts off the fuckin street. That doesn't mean that I accept the Brit narrative. On the contrary, I spend way too much time crushing it. But none of this has anything to do with the integrity of John Hume. I knew John Hume, knew Mc Guinness too. Both men dedicated their lives to their people. Don't lecture me. Your absolutism is every bit as boring as "No Surrender." As boring as the Brit narrative of "neutral arbiter in an intractable sectarian conflict."
      I'm going to say - rest in peace John. And you're going to leave it alone.

    • @mikki3562
      @mikki3562 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@paulduffy4585 Or what? I can tell I touched a nerve but your belligerent tone doesn't disguise your false attempt at attributing to me a personal criticism of John Hume. I said nothing about him in a personal way, and I did not try to impugn his personal integrity. This is just your own mendacious way of attacking a correct and legitimate political argument. I made no assumptions, I simply gave a political critique of the man, but you can't take that. Enough said, you have no genuine counter argument to my political critique. You appear to use belligerence as your only position. You would be wrong if you think I would be intimidated by that, I'm not a novice or a newcomer to these questions. Reply if you want to, but I won't bother reading it.

    • @paulduffy4585
      @paulduffy4585 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@mikki3562 alright then. Good. But, for the record, your assumption was that I accept the British narrative.

  • @ezrigames2813
    @ezrigames2813 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Rest in peace loyal northern island leader 🙏🏻☠️

  • @jonoessex
    @jonoessex 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It was the British Army and intelligence services that brought peace to Ireland not John Hume.

    • @fongfeen
      @fongfeen 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Bollocks. It was an intractable mess with no sign of a winner by military means. The British Army made things worse by being deployed their beyond their original peace keeping remit and then acting in an offensive manner (clearly with unionist interests). Because of this many British Soldiers died needlessly. John Hume recognised this very early. He was more responsible than anyone for the relative peace there is now.

    • @jonoessex
      @jonoessex 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@fongfeen It was not intractable. To bring peace all that was required was for the IRA to stop killing. The uncompromising stance of Thatcher and the success of the intelligence services in the intelligence war they waged against the IRA brought Adams et al to the realisation that they could not win and had to accept a political agreement which included the principle of unionist consent. I repeat, it was not Hume that stopped the IRA it was the security forces.

    • @fongfeen
      @fongfeen 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@jonoessex by saying "it was not intractable" you are inferring that had it continued there would have been a winner (for want of a better word). That didn't happen and hasn't happened because IT'S NOT OVER. It's moved into a different phase. The intractability of this comes from the 2 diametrically opposing aims. The British want to keep NI in the UK (a desire i think is diminishing because it is basically a dependant state). The IRA/SF/Republicans want to the opposite. That hasn't changed
      The aim of the IRA/Sinn Fein/Republicans is to expel the British armed forces and achieve Irish Unity by any means. That includes politics. Which became a strategic choice to achieve this aim.
      If British Army intelligence were so effective what happened with the docklands bombing? That single event illustrates the opposite of your point. The Tory government were not interested in coming to the table for talks, the IRA bomb the financial centre of the world, the tory government change their mind and come to the table. That started a process that would eventually end in the Good Friday Agreement. Essentially they were forced to the table because to them bombing business in London is more damaging than bombing war veterans in Enniskillen (which was a gruesome disgusting act).
      You seem to be leaning heavily on the British Army's self assessment (operation banner). It's conclusions are predictable and obvious. Of course they would conclude that their operations led to the cease fire. Or else what was it all for?
      And Margaret Thatcher only exacerbated a bad situation.
      John Hume's message was consistent and correct. The British position of "not talking to terrorists" was counter productive and false. He knew it, they knew it and eventually everyone listened to him. He was right
      I doubt i'm ever going to convince you by pointing out anything that raises doubt in your world view or that contradicts the British perception of themselves as valiant, righteous victors.

    • @jonoessex
      @jonoessex 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Mick Williams So Hume Trimble and Mcguiness made the peace not the army who were partly the reason there was no peace. There was not peace in NI because an organisation called the Irish republican Army were trying to violently overthrow the state. The Army and the British intelligence services waged a campaign to stop the paramilitaries. By the 1980's the republican movement was coming to the realisation that they couldn't beat the Brits and they were probably looking at a slow defeat so they began negotiations to end their campaign and that is where Hume, Trimble and Mcguinness came in.
      The IRA ended their campaign because of security force pressure not because of the aforementioned politicians.

    • @jonoessex
      @jonoessex 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@fongfeen The winners were the British because they forced the IRA to end it's campaign without achieving it's objective of expelling the Brits from NI.
      The IRA chose peaceful politics because the violent route was closed to them by the strong line taken by Thatcher and her insistence on not giving in to them. The intelligence war against the IRA was so effective the leadership of the IRA decided their only course was to accept a deal or risk eventual total defeat.
      The British wouldn't negotiate but were forced to do so by IRA bombs you say. Then when they'd been forced to negotiate there was peace. British intelligence was not so effective that it could stop every bomb. It had though in the words of IRA commander Brendan Hughes created a situation in which IRA violence had been contained.
      THe British had been negotiating with the IRA since the conflict began. They did not start doing so in the early 90's in response to Bishops gate etc. Talks took place between the IRA and British governments in 1972, 1974 in the early eighties etc. Talks were taking place throughout the whole conflict but eventually the IRA agreed to accept a unionist veto, something they would never have done if not the realisation in their organisation that they could not win and were staring at eventual defeat.
      Are you really suggesting to me that the actions of the security forces played no role in bringing peace to NI??
      I'm perfectly prepared to listen to views I disagree with but I still believe that it was the security forces not Hume that brought about the peace process.

  • @patrickcrowther9195
    @patrickcrowther9195 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    A great man.

  • @rathyummycookingvlogs9671
    @rathyummycookingvlogs9671 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    RIP

  • @theparrotrescuer3042
    @theparrotrescuer3042 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    RIP