Thank you for posting this information. Much appreciated. This problem (flight performance, not the cockpit graphics) is the sort of thing I used to spend hours in DCS trying to sort. Been subscribed to you for ages because your videos are detailed factual and helpful. Hope you post again if/when DCS fix this.
The flight performance one be tricksy though. It's on the border of is it different or not. I'm under the impression that they weren't going to touch it, so would be interesting if they did.
@@volkvoort If they fiddled with it or not, I am pretty sure thats not intended flight performance. It seems DCS ain't too speedy sorting out bugs but maybe they will get to it one day. Thanks again for your videos... good to have them to rely upon.
Indeed Sir. I think I will subscribe you to see further developments. I reported all this the very same day and the problems where confirmed by a few "ED Beta Testers". Let's wait and hope they will show the will to solve them.
Just had a quick fly, seems they changed the name of the cockpit folder from Cockpit-Ka-50_3 to Cockpit-Ka-50_2 probably making way for a future 3 cockpit. So that broke a custom cockpit that was selected in special options. Changing the cockpit name to Cockpit-Ka-50_2 I was able to select it again. It works, but the same as the English cockpit there are some parts in Russian that are not changed fully.
@@volkvoort cockpit mods refer to specific texture files, names and layer types in the description.lua. If ED is rebuilding the new cockpit they may have different names for some parts. We could probably mess with the model builder to compare but I reckon another patch will come soon.
it seems that ka-50.lua is released again after getting banned with fc3. interestingly there is a v2022 setting to change the plyons. must have something to do with the 6-plyon bs3 i guess
In your link it looks very much like the KA50 is hovering or at least flying very slowly, if there is even the slightest danger of the engine failing I think the pilot would not fire any missiles in this scenario. and in DCS so from about under 25 knots, it can sometimes lead to engine failure. more details would be interesting
Is it possible to share datalink with non russian wingman like A10, Apache, etc? Maybe through a setting in the mission editor from the MP server host? I once saw a friendly Huey as a red circle on the Abris, so other helos definately can show up on the ABRIS. Wonder if there is an extended datalink option when flying with NATO forces in the KA 50... Good job Volk, thanks for all the content!
Thanks. Nope - the data link runs on different standards than NATO airframes, so, in DCS at least, it ONLY works communicating to other Black Sharks. I'm not aware of any hacks/mission editor tricks to enable such exchanges. Best you can do is read them coordinates or approximate MGRS over the radio.
The Shkval should not be green in the version we have in game, in game we have the IT-23VM used by Ka-50 24 and 25 which is a black screen with no tint, earlier IT-23 had a yellow tint, i have never heard of green tough
I'd have to go dig, but I think I've seen footage where the IT-23 appears green, but I have zero insight/sources into which version IT-23 goes with which Ka-50. Then again, maybe the yellow appears green on some older documentaries.
Made some quick comparasions. Skhval looks to be worse for spotting than before. Especially if weather conditions e.g. Broken 5. I am still experimenting with mission for a bug report.
Please do on submitting a report. Not sure if they'll respond saying that's how it really looked IRL, but if so then the missions needs to be rebalanced to accomodate for that.
@@volkvoort I reported for now shkval issue. For smoke I am doubtful, Ka-50 is totally different design from Mi-24/28, coaxial rotor + I believe distance between rocket pod and intakes is greater. I am curious if this came from some document or is it just some "stronk" imagination play tricks on us.
@@okopanja890 Saw the report - thanks. On the smoke ingestion bit I'm still trying to gather notes as well. Closest I can get of course is Mi-24 practices, where both is and isn't a thing. Same/similar engines, but yeah, different layout and intake position relative to launchers.
It's odd right now. Maybe still less buggy than the Apache has been a lot of patches, no weird uncommanded barrel rolls and such, but things have changed under the hood, obviouosly with intent.
Hey volk just curious. Any reason you seem to prefer the Ka-50 over other attack helis currently in DCS? Just wondering if theres anything you particularly enjoy about the ka50 more than others. Cheers!
Huh. Good question. Hard answer. I think some of it's covered in my 10 reasons to fly it - the crazy stuff you can pull off. Some of it's the design of it - obviously lacks tech of FLIR and RWR and such, but the rest of it seemed to be very well thought-out design in terms of it's flight and crazy amounts of armour. Plus all that symmetry looks cool (all subjective). But I think it's mostly HOW you fly it. For me it's like the Tomcat - it's that verge between needing to manage your engine temps & oil pressures of older airframes or just eyeballing where to shoot, and stuff being fully computerised MFDs. And I realise the Shark leans more towards being heavy on the computers, but it's more obscured or simplified of 'it just works' / does it's thing - e.g. I'm not looking through subpages on menus, but rather I trim it and I can forget about flight for a second. I aim and it's laser-ranged and tracking and I can forget about gunnery for a second and fly. And it's not that I dislike glass cockpits or MFDs either or that the Shark is actually simple once you start digging....As you can see I'm struggling to explain it, so let's just go with the experience of the single-seat thing, which is fairly simplified to do that and an agile, well armoured and accurate-at-range copter. I could go on about the uniqueness of that aimable-but-massive recoil cannon and how you can make a Vikhr go anywhere you want, but you could make similar arguments about the weapons of the Hind and Apache as well. And funny enough i don't see it as fully binary of attack helos vs. the rest - for example Huey can also use rockets, also have aimable articulate guns, attack from a hover or running in - just you need to take on lighter targets with lighter return fire.
Duder! do you have any other socials? Cape Townian here and been looking for some rad ZA dudes to jam with :D please reach out! also the AH64 is kicking my ass!! struggling to wrap head around it. cheers bud
Like @Joachim Brand said, I too was thinking I would give the Shark a try. I figured it's been out a while, it ain't in Early Access and so that would be good. Plus the videos that Volk has produced are terrific and a great reference and well, I thought that would be the go.... Anyway, as an aside, I am so sick of people who say things like "They call it Early Access, perhaps you've heard of it?" and other such snarky comments in the Forums. Its just crap software development revision control - and performance of the Apache reflects that - when things that worked 100% last month don't work anymore EA ain't a valid reason. Just like being told to go away and "practice and git good". Just not nice.
Seams that this are "features" done for 2.8,not bugs... 🤬 DCS: Black Shark 2 by Eagle Dynamics (Features added in last patch DCS 2.8.0.32066 Open Beta 2022-10-28 but not mentioned) Changes in the flight dynamics model include the implementation of the engine gas-dynamic instability during rocket launch from the inboard launchers, at hover, and at low speeds. This is due to hot rocket gases sucked in the air intakes, which can lead to a thrust drop, surge, and shutdown of the engines. Added delay up to 2 seconds for ATGM Vikhr launch sequence. SHKVAL screen textures changed to achieve more authentic “green” look
I always felt that DCS was a rip off, but with version 2.8 that feeling grew to extremes. I once said I would not buy another module until they fixed all the bugs in the modules I already had. After version 2.8 it will take many years before they see another cent from me. I classify this update as EXTREME INCOMPETENCE. After a few tries of flying the Ka-50, and after 6 or 7 years flying it, I gave up. Nothing works as expected, as it is supposed to, or, at least, as it used to. The graphics are EXCUCIATINGLY BAD. Ghastly. The autopilot keeps doing things completely incomprehensible. Every time I try to use it it tries to follow some inexistent waypoint and puts the chopper flying in a tight circle. The HUD does very strange things and the course tape goes around without any reason. If you turn right it (the course tape) goes left, and vice-versa. I give up.
I like the new green screen, the shaking is ok for me too. No problems with VRS or settling with power, it just shakes more than before. Trigger delay is a plus, zero problems. It's more safe now, unintentional firing of weapons not possible anymore. They need to fix route mode and the cockpit labeling. Looking forward to BS 3.
Think Nineline said the cockpit labeling was fixed in one of their internal builds, so hopefully soon. As for the route mode...maybe I've got something uploading right now ;-)
привет друзья, в новой версии 2.8.0 умышленно сломали функции в ка-50/2 и они перестали нормально работать и сделали это намеренно чтобы заставить игроков покупать ка-50/3 а в этой игре есть много американской пропаганды и политики и так во многих играх,самолеты су-27 и ф-15 родом из одного периода времени и ракеты на них были из 1970-х годов,при этом все модели американских самолетов были модернизированы с ракетами 1990-2000 годов а остальные российские модели остались на старых ракетах 1970 года, классика американской фашистской пропаганды
Версия, которую я слышал, заключается в том, что они не могут этого сделать из-за российских законов или секретности, окружающей самолет - другими словами, они не могут создать модель самолета на уровне исследования, если только он не достаточно старый. Не знаю, как они сделали Ка-50, когда он был еще довольно новым в то время, но рад, что он у меня есть. [переведено]
Plot twist: we are all alpha testers for Black Shark 3 without buying the presale :)
I wish people would grow up and quit it with 'plot twist'
Thank you for posting this information. Much appreciated.
This problem (flight performance, not the cockpit graphics) is the sort of thing I used to spend hours in DCS trying to sort.
Been subscribed to you for ages because your videos are detailed factual and helpful.
Hope you post again if/when DCS fix this.
The flight performance one be tricksy though. It's on the border of is it different or not. I'm under the impression that they weren't going to touch it, so would be interesting if they did.
@@volkvoort If they fiddled with it or not, I am pretty sure thats not intended flight performance. It seems DCS ain't too speedy sorting out bugs but maybe they will get to it one day. Thanks again for your videos... good to have them to rely upon.
@@dallas88b I am starting to lean towards something being off. Like with low/no turbulence and 4m/s wind, I can't go hands-free anymore to target.
great.....i got the shark module 5 days ago......JUST learned how not to die instantly, and now its broken? great
thanks ED
Hoping it's "just a phase" as they're clearly touching it again.
I'm glad I saw this. I thought I had just completely lost my mind or forgotten how to fly or something.
check out the follow-up vid on the gyro heading. that also messed me up till people discovered what was going on.
Thanks Volk for your always speedy and informative videos man! That was quick! But, nothing gets passed you when it comes to the Shark haha
Not entirely true. There seems to be a growing list of bugs people are submitting now ;-)
Indeed Sir.
I think I will subscribe you to see further developments.
I reported all this the very same day and the problems where confirmed by a few "ED Beta Testers".
Let's wait and hope they will show the will to solve them.
Thanks. Yeah, I've seen some good souls have been racking in the reports there, as well as some speedy responses on the 'reproduced and reported'.
"greetings.. Waaagz here from Eagle Dynamics, everything BUSTED.. stay calm"
"Good Evening"
Ok i thought it was me. I was completely lost on why my shark was acting crazy
Man that sucks, just started flying this thing again and now we have issues. Hopefully this gets resolved quickly.
Just had a quick fly, seems they changed the name of the cockpit folder from Cockpit-Ka-50_3 to Cockpit-Ka-50_2 probably making way for a future 3 cockpit. So that broke a custom cockpit that was selected in special options.
Changing the cockpit name to Cockpit-Ka-50_2 I was able to select it again.
It works, but the same as the English cockpit there are some parts in Russian that are not changed fully.
I'm kinda confused how it can be both like that. Like what was changed how to make it do that?
@@volkvoort cockpit mods refer to specific texture files, names and layer types in the description.lua. If ED is rebuilding the new cockpit they may have different names for some parts. We could probably mess with the model builder to compare but I reckon another patch will come soon.
When I say cockpit mods, that includes the English cockpit which they probably didn't test.
it seems that ka-50.lua is released again after getting banned with fc3. interestingly there is a v2022 setting to change the plyons. must have something to do with the 6-plyon bs3 i guess
In your link it looks very much like the KA50 is hovering or at least flying very slowly, if there is even the slightest danger of the engine failing I think the pilot would not fire any missiles in this scenario.
and in DCS so from about under 25 knots, it can sometimes lead to engine failure.
more details would be interesting
Spooky indeed.
Is it possible to share datalink with non russian wingman like A10, Apache, etc?
Maybe through a setting in the mission editor from the MP server host? I once saw a friendly Huey as a red circle on the Abris, so other helos definately can show up on the ABRIS. Wonder if there is an extended datalink option when flying with NATO forces in the KA 50...
Good job Volk, thanks for all the content!
Thanks. Nope - the data link runs on different standards than NATO airframes, so, in DCS at least, it ONLY works communicating to other Black Sharks. I'm not aware of any hacks/mission editor tricks to enable such exchanges. Best you can do is read them coordinates or approximate MGRS over the radio.
The Shkval should not be green in the version we have in game, in game we have the IT-23VM used by Ka-50 24 and 25 which is a black screen with no tint, earlier IT-23 had a yellow tint, i have never heard of green tough
I'd have to go dig, but I think I've seen footage where the IT-23 appears green, but I have zero insight/sources into which version IT-23 goes with which Ka-50. Then again, maybe the yellow appears green on some older documentaries.
Made some quick comparasions. Skhval looks to be worse for spotting than before. Especially if weather conditions e.g. Broken 5. I am still experimenting with mission for a bug report.
Please do on submitting a report. Not sure if they'll respond saying that's how it really looked IRL, but if so then the missions needs to be rebalanced to accomodate for that.
@@volkvoort I reported for now shkval issue. For smoke I am doubtful, Ka-50 is totally different design from Mi-24/28, coaxial rotor + I believe distance between rocket pod and intakes is greater. I am curious if this came from some document or is it just some "stronk" imagination play tricks on us.
@@okopanja890 Saw the report - thanks. On the smoke ingestion bit I'm still trying to gather notes as well. Closest I can get of course is Mi-24 practices, where both is and isn't a thing. Same/similar engines, but yeah, different layout and intake position relative to launchers.
correct as is
I hate all of these changes lol I hope they fix it
So the Shark is bugged now? Was thinking about giving it a try, but I guess I will stick to my Apache then...
It's odd right now. Maybe still less buggy than the Apache has been a lot of patches, no weird uncommanded barrel rolls and such, but things have changed under the hood, obviouosly with intent.
ka-50 III on its way slowly :-) allso countermeasures switch for both sides is not working for me
Left click and right click the counter measures switches and it works depending on which way you want the switch to move
@@sahhull many thanx man 👍
Hey volk just curious. Any reason you seem to prefer the Ka-50 over other attack helis currently in DCS? Just wondering if theres anything you particularly enjoy about the ka50 more than others. Cheers!
Huh. Good question. Hard answer. I think some of it's covered in my 10 reasons to fly it - the crazy stuff you can pull off. Some of it's the design of it - obviously lacks tech of FLIR and RWR and such, but the rest of it seemed to be very well thought-out design in terms of it's flight and crazy amounts of armour. Plus all that symmetry looks cool (all subjective). But I think it's mostly HOW you fly it.
For me it's like the Tomcat - it's that verge between needing to manage your engine temps & oil pressures of older airframes or just eyeballing where to shoot, and stuff being fully computerised MFDs. And I realise the Shark leans more towards being heavy on the computers, but it's more obscured or simplified of 'it just works' / does it's thing - e.g. I'm not looking through subpages on menus, but rather I trim it and I can forget about flight for a second. I aim and it's laser-ranged and tracking and I can forget about gunnery for a second and fly. And it's not that I dislike glass cockpits or MFDs either or that the Shark is actually simple once you start digging....As you can see I'm struggling to explain it, so let's just go with the experience of the single-seat thing, which is fairly simplified to do that and an agile, well armoured and accurate-at-range copter.
I could go on about the uniqueness of that aimable-but-massive recoil cannon and how you can make a Vikhr go anywhere you want, but you could make similar arguments about the weapons of the Hind and Apache as well. And funny enough i don't see it as fully binary of attack helos vs. the rest - for example Huey can also use rockets, also have aimable articulate guns, attack from a hover or running in - just you need to take on lighter targets with lighter return fire.
Duder! do you have any other socials? Cape Townian here and been looking for some rad ZA dudes to jam with :D please reach out! also the AH64 is kicking my ass!! struggling to wrap head around it. cheers bud
Sent discord links, so should be sorted ;-)
Like @Joachim Brand said, I too was thinking I would give the Shark a try.
I figured it's been out a while, it ain't in Early Access and so that would be good. Plus the videos that Volk has produced are terrific and a great reference and well, I thought that would be the go....
Anyway, as an aside, I am so sick of people who say things like "They call it Early Access, perhaps you've heard of it?" and other such snarky comments in the Forums. Its just crap software development revision control - and performance of the Apache reflects that - when things that worked 100% last month don't work anymore EA ain't a valid reason. Just like being told to go away and "practice and git good". Just not nice.
Seams that this are "features" done for 2.8,not bugs... 🤬
DCS: Black Shark 2 by Eagle Dynamics (Features added in last patch DCS 2.8.0.32066 Open Beta 2022-10-28 but not mentioned)
Changes in the flight dynamics model include the implementation of the engine gas-dynamic instability during rocket launch from the inboard launchers, at hover, and at low speeds. This is due to hot rocket gases sucked in the air intakes, which can lead to a thrust drop, surge, and shutdown of the engines.
Added delay up to 2 seconds for ATGM Vikhr launch sequence.
SHKVAL screen textures changed to achieve more authentic “green” look
Yup. And a couple of extra features and bugs it seems.
@@volkvoort more than a couple of bugs unfortunately 😞
I always felt that DCS was a rip off, but with version 2.8 that feeling grew to extremes.
I once said I would not buy another module until they fixed all the bugs in the modules I already had. After version 2.8 it will take many years before they see another cent from me.
I classify this update as EXTREME INCOMPETENCE.
After a few tries of flying the Ka-50, and after 6 or 7 years flying it, I gave up.
Nothing works as expected, as it is supposed to, or, at least, as it used to.
The graphics are EXCUCIATINGLY BAD. Ghastly.
The autopilot keeps doing things completely incomprehensible. Every time I try to use it it tries to follow some inexistent waypoint and puts the chopper flying in a tight circle.
The HUD does very strange things and the course tape goes around without any reason.
If you turn right it (the course tape) goes left, and vice-versa.
I give up.
Your problems with e.g. the autopilot and such, are they all specifically since 2.8, or were you having issues before then?
Maybe Ed is dumming ka50 down to Ah64 level, 🤣.
that's brutal
I like the new green screen, the shaking is ok for me too. No problems with VRS or settling with power, it just shakes more than before. Trigger delay is a plus, zero problems. It's more safe now, unintentional firing of weapons not possible anymore.
They need to fix route mode and the cockpit labeling. Looking forward to BS 3.
Think Nineline said the cockpit labeling was fixed in one of their internal builds, so hopefully soon. As for the route mode...maybe I've got something uploading right now ;-)
привет друзья, в новой версии 2.8.0 умышленно сломали функции в ка-50/2 и они перестали нормально работать и сделали это намеренно чтобы заставить игроков покупать ка-50/3 а в этой игре есть много американской пропаганды и политики и так во многих играх,самолеты су-27 и ф-15 родом из одного периода времени и ракеты на них были из 1970-х годов,при этом все модели американских самолетов были модернизированы с ракетами 1990-2000 годов а остальные российские модели остались на старых ракетах 1970 года, классика американской фашистской пропаганды
Версия, которую я слышал, заключается в том, что они не могут этого сделать из-за российских законов или секретности, окружающей самолет - другими словами, они не могут создать модель самолета на уровне исследования, если только он не достаточно старый. Не знаю, как они сделали Ка-50, когда он был еще довольно новым в то время, но рад, что он у меня есть. [переведено]