My thoughts on Biu Jee is that the skills learned can excel beyond the normal learning curve of Chum Kui and Sil Lum Tao, sometimes developing a false sense of confidence. For someone that has put their time in learning and developing a strong foundation with the first two forms, Biu Jee can be the icing on the cake freeing you from the formal structure to recover the center line when ambushed. Just my two cents. I'm sure that there are much more valid and developed thoughts than mine on this amazing form.
Secret form is exactly how you described it. Wing Chun is really like 80 %of the first form 15% of the second. My teacher always says the first form is always the most important that many people will always come back to form 1 even after 30 years of training.
I have William Cheungs Bil Jee book. Very different I learnt my WC theough the Wong Shun Leung branch. For myself all three forms need to be practiced at slow speed like Tai Chi in order to feel what and how they work. Then all at full speed using that skill. Respect thank you for sharing
I see Biu jee as more of a "gluing together" kind of form, taking the aspects of snt and ck and kind of gives the opportunity to apply the principles learned in those in a more "free form" context. If snt is building and refining the foundation, and ck is moving this structure, biu jee is adding "life" or flexibility to it, breaking away from the imposed (for educational purposes) structural limitations of the previous forms.. a "take this thing you built and swing it around a bit to see how it holds up" kind of thing.
Biu Jee; one of the key aspects is once you lose your mother-line, Biu Jee concepts allow you to regain your motherline and hence the center-line. Hope that helps...
i have a hunch that "door" in this case rather refers to the "gates" as in: the three basic angles from which an attack would occur in wing tsun: aka towards the opponents power hand side, towards the opponents jab side or towards the centerline. as in: heavens gate, deaths gate and life gate.
It could be called the "secret" form or the form not to be shown to outsiders because originally it took many years to reach biu jee level & this could not be performed correctly without a very good understanding of siu nim tao & chum kiu beforehand because the 3rd form is useless unless you have properly mastered the previous ones. To perform biu jee one must have a full understanding of the system not only know the physical movements.🙏
It's like taking a car for a drive, without taking a few lessons, and your instructor would ask you to perform a; Bay park, Reverse around the left side or right side, Parallel Park?
Nice. I never got the chance to learn the biu jee form or the full Mok jong sets, including doing the sets in the air. My sifu wanted students to master everything and biu jee last.
My guess is you have to think back to a pre-industrial time where there were no police as we know of it today, no phones, no firearms, no cars for fast police responses, and only a small population could afford horses (the wealthy or the government). Also, China was one of the long standing civilizations who were living in densely populated cities and towns scattered throughout a massive area for several millennia during the time. Within this context, a good sized group of martially trained ruffians (e.g.: bandits, mercenaries, rebels, or even simple violent misfits, etc..) can easily overrun a local "policing" force in a good sized town, since the "police" wouldn't have any guns to stop them, as they do today. If you were a skilled martial arts teacher (who maybe had a professional military background) in this context and had the misfortune of teaching ill willed students who became criminals in the local region, the entire village, town, or city you lived in would probably slowly learn that you were the their teacher. So to prevent this, what would you have done if you were the teacher? Put yourself in this context, and you'll know exactly why Chinese Martial Arts teachers, so often only taught just enough for most students to defend themselves and no more (short range, non-chasing, empty hand and some dabbling in weapons), and usually kept the more offense based tactics away from most common civilians (or anyone with a character who easily quarrels or picks fights for any reason). Some teachers may have even only taught students who they thought would end up using the Martial Arts as a profession (e.g.: for actual government enforced policing groups, caravan escorting, VIP body guard, and military use, etc.). I think this is where you'll find your answer to why Biu Jee, certain weapons forms and weapons applications, and the like, were kept "secret" (but not really) within a historical context. I don't think it's particularly more "deadly" or anything, than the other forms / drills, IMHO. Personally, I think if you look at the nature of Biu Jee in comparison to the other empty hand Wing Chun forms, it just tends to look more long range in nature (reaching for, or chasing after something), as opposed to holding back and standing your ground (self-defense). Lastly, I think within a historical context, professional Martial Artists probably trained a lot of weapons and not just empty hand fighting in latter stages (a common misconception today is that Martial Arts equates to Empty Hand fighting). I mean, without guns, tanks, mobile phones and concrete roads, who wouldn't want a large mob, some horses, long pole arms, "state of the art" projectile weapons, and a blazing INFERNO cannon, for defense? Swords and short weapons were probably just for policing within towns and cities, IMHO. Personally, what I've found cool about Chinese Martial Arts in latter stages is that you can pick up ANYTHING and use it as a weapon or tool. Even your entire body and BARE hands! Just remember, if your BARE hands all the way down to your finger tips and toes and anything you touch aren't becoming weapons or landscaping tools by the time you are finished, do not be fooled! You are NO feudal era Martial Arts SIFU! lol. Just don't hurt your hands or body along the way. ;-)
Thanks! It’s actually the coming up part that’s the focus. It’s the idea that if your head gets pressed down, come up with your hands first and hot you head first so you hopefully don’t get punched in the face
It's called three prayers for the Buddha when you have been knocked down to give you space to to recover and face.Biu Gee is about your outnumbered or been. seriously injured it's about trying to save yourself.
I have always been taught that SLT is the attacker comes to you. CK is to build a bridge and meet your attacker and then BG is about preempting or attacking your attackers guard/strike. There is a saying that you must sacrifice 3000 of your ment to take 10 000 of theirs. Its also about the lines that exist inside each form. CK uses mostly the tram lines whereas BG the footwork may use thebtram lines but the shoulder is striking doen the centre. Hard to explain in a comment though The rrason its an 'emergency form' is because it doesnt conform to absorbing any energy but rather to take and strike to regain balance. Its an aggressive form and to be used outside would be forbidden 🤷♂️ Problem is there are so many different lineages at this point and a lot of politics within organisations. Who actually really knows 🤷♂️
Perhaps Biu Ji is an incomplete form that should be added to as more "emergency situations" arise The problem is with any lineage no consensus can be formed with the sifus to append to it The only way appending would work is if a virtuoso who themselves or their students defeated all others added to the form
Biu jee for striking eyes and it's a surprise move. The elbows. I used them since sparring while training wc 2nd form chum kiu It's not indispensable. Well.. Elbows are applied since siu lim Tao or why do we always get back to our ma with the elbow hitting an imaginary opponent at our backs? And bong sao is very likely to be used as an attack, I thought of it since the first time I saw siu lim Tao
I was very happy to see how well you performed this form. The senior instructors from my linage , Ip Man wing chun, only learnt this form once they were very well versed in the first two empty hand forms and the dummy. It wasn’t a secret form but it was held back and only taught when you were ready. It’s applications are lethal . The elbows are finishing strikes . Deadly and last resort . I always wished I had learnt it many years before I did. Fortunately for the many fights I had , lucky I hadn’t.
This version is still better than most I have seen out there.....there are different versions. The Buddhahand Wing Chun version, Futsau, is mind blowing.
It's about the last resort when you're in serious trouble its taught last because WC you shouldn't be in that position given your training Sau Lim Tao is teaching correct technique . Kum Qiu is applying and adapting correct technique in a fighting situation. It's no big secret that's the purpose of the 3 forms
This "saving it for emergencies idea is nonsense. Any physical conflict is an emergency. You job is to neutralize any threat as quickly and decisively as possible. Why use anything less than your most effective techniques?
@@wingchun-simplekungfu7584 Oh really? So you get punched in the face fall back and hit your head on the kerb and you're dead... the assumption you must make is that your life is in danger any time violence is on the table. If someone wants to make things physical, the worst thing you can do is underestimate the situation. You don't know the outcome until you are back in your own home at the end of the night. I'm assuming from this comment you have little real world experience. I'd advise it's best for you to keep it that way. I'd advise that for everyone to be honest, but more so for those who have unrealistic expectations.
@@shaunclubberlang2887 My comment is based on experience. Otherwise no need to comment. My experience counts. No need to destroy every idiot picking a fight. Your comment IS assumption .
Its no longer a secret form considering so many people know it. Different interpretations from different lineages also exist. The way I do it is very different to this video.
Maybe it's called a secret form...because it has just recently been made up...and therefore not many would lnow about it...😅 ...just thinking. Say...does Master Ip Chun know about this??
Wing chun only has Si lum tao, Chum Kil, and Bil Jee. A less clickbait title would be Wing Chun's third form, but that doesn't make it seem as mysterious. Talk about muddying the waters to make them seem deep.
@@arquentur6226 im sorry you had a bad experience with teachers! Part of what makes a style interesting is its history and stories. I for one loved to hear these stories from my teachers. A form is just a form. anyone can learn a form anywhere nowadays anyways. good luck with training!
don't mind him, he obviously went to one of the leung ting inspired sectarian grifter schools who teach you anything but the combat effective stuff and will grade the same way mcdojos do...@@kungfuronin
There is nothing at all surprising to those who practice other southern Chinese systems of kung-fu. Many of the Wing chun moves can be seen in Hung Gar and others. Attacking the eyes are basic in all of kung-fu. Others will rip the throat and testicles, etc. There are no surprises at all in Biu Jee, which is even considered very basic in other systems. If wing chun were a sacred, to be worshiped secret system, then every martial artist in Hong Kong, Taiwan, and China would choose only to study it. Use some reasoning! The only "secret" of Biu Jee is in marketing it to the gullible. If Kowloon's infamous Walled City still existed, you would have the opportunity to test your skills, as I did, to see what system works best. The one that works best is what the individual practitioner makes of it, the hard training, the genetic tools that include fast twitch muscle fibers for speed and strength, superior eyes, and reflexes, the same that is need to play in America's NFL and NBA. If you aren't born with the needed genetics, you will only fiddle around with kung-fu, which is why there is some kwoons won't allow you inside their doors to bother them by watching or asking stupid questions.
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My thoughts on Biu Jee is that the skills learned can excel beyond the normal learning curve of Chum Kui and Sil Lum Tao, sometimes developing a false sense of confidence. For someone that has put their time in learning and developing a strong foundation with the first two forms, Biu Jee can be the icing on the cake freeing you from the formal structure to recover the center line when ambushed. Just my two cents. I'm sure that there are much more valid and developed thoughts than mine on this amazing form.
Variation on the "Emergency Concepts" idea. Biu Jee doesn't "leave the door" because it is the last thing you should be doing, not the first.
Secret form is exactly how you described it. Wing Chun is really like 80 %of the first form 15% of the second. My teacher always says the first form is always the most important that many people will always come back to form 1 even after 30 years of training.
it's great to hear your voice. Looking forward to the Xingyi content. You have an excellent way of explaining things.
Thank you! I try my best to make things simple 😂 no need to complicate things life is complicated enough
@@kungfuronin Been following your Facebook stuff, for a while, so I already know the quality of the content. Glad to see it's going places.
@@lelionnoir4523thanks! I tend to like Instagram more, since you can see the layout better. Thanks for following !
Thanks for this channel! Looking forward to everything you’re going to publish 😁
Thank you! Hope you enjoy the content!
@@kungfuronin I know already I will!😊
I have William Cheungs Bil Jee book. Very different
I learnt my WC theough the Wong Shun Leung branch. For myself all three forms need to be practiced at slow speed like Tai Chi in order to feel what and how they work. Then all at full speed using that skill. Respect thank you for sharing
Very cool! Thanks for watching
I see Biu jee as more of a "gluing together" kind of form, taking the aspects of snt and ck and kind of gives the opportunity to apply the principles learned in those in a more "free form" context. If snt is building and refining the foundation, and ck is moving this structure, biu jee is adding "life" or flexibility to it, breaking away from the imposed (for educational purposes) structural limitations of the previous forms.. a "take this thing you built and swing it around a bit to see how it holds up" kind of thing.
That’s true the power in BJ is quite flexible
Biu Jee; one of the key aspects is once you lose your mother-line, Biu Jee concepts allow you to regain your motherline and hence the center-line. Hope that helps...
great!
Your Kung-fu looks pretty good. Why the Japanese word Ronin? Isn't there a term in Cantonese that would be more suitable for a Kung-fu guy?
I like to cause confusion in my opponent when if fight them and shout my name out loud. 😏 just joking. It flowed that’s all
Greetings from Denmark :) Great with a more authentic Gong Fu channel. May I ask who your Wing Chun Sifu is?
Thank you! My sifu is Sam Lau, student of Yip Man
i have a hunch that "door" in this case rather refers to the "gates" as in: the three basic angles from which an attack would occur in wing tsun: aka towards the opponents power hand side, towards the opponents jab side or towards the centerline. as in: heavens gate, deaths gate and life gate.
Interesting take!
It could be called the "secret" form or the form not to be shown to outsiders because originally it took many years to reach biu jee level & this could not be performed correctly without a very good understanding of siu nim tao & chum kiu beforehand because the 3rd form is useless unless you have properly mastered the previous ones. To perform biu jee one must have a full understanding of the system not only know the physical movements.🙏
Makes sense!
Also these form deals with some of the weaknesses of the system. Obviously the practitioners didn't want outsiders to know about these weaknesses.
It's like taking a car for a drive, without taking a few lessons, and your instructor would ask you to perform a; Bay park, Reverse around the left side or right side, Parallel Park?
@@KungFu_Dean78absolutely - got it in one!
that was beautiful. Yep bui jee is viciously effective. the chow gar tong long uses it nicely too.
I like the dynamics of your form.
Thank you!
Great video! Crazy story the one that talks about the deadly moves... every punch can be deadly! :D Thanks for sharing your thoughts
Thank you!
Amazing form.
Thanks!
Nice. I never got the chance to learn the biu jee form or the full Mok jong sets, including doing the sets in the air. My sifu wanted students to master everything and biu jee last.
oh no! its never too late to keep learning!
Covid messed things up, he actually closed down school last year.
Great vid. Love the snap in your form.
Appreciate it!
Good energy and power
Thank you!
It's pretty well known that this form is not to be performed "outside closed doors". Blows my mind that people film themselves and upload it.
Well the ip man students did it first 🤣 so I think it’s ok for me to also
Was this video taken at the VTAA?
Yes it was!
My guess is you have to think back to a pre-industrial time where there were no police as we know of it today, no phones, no firearms, no cars for fast police responses, and only a small population could afford horses (the wealthy or the government). Also, China was one of the long standing civilizations who were living in densely populated cities and towns scattered throughout a massive area for several millennia during the time. Within this context, a good sized group of martially trained ruffians (e.g.: bandits, mercenaries, rebels, or even simple violent misfits, etc..) can easily overrun a local "policing" force in a good sized town, since the "police" wouldn't have any guns to stop them, as they do today. If you were a skilled martial arts teacher (who maybe had a professional military background) in this context and had the misfortune of teaching ill willed students who became criminals in the local region, the entire village, town, or city you lived in would probably slowly learn that you were the their teacher. So to prevent this, what would you have done if you were the teacher? Put yourself in this context, and you'll know exactly why Chinese Martial Arts teachers, so often only taught just enough for most students to defend themselves and no more (short range, non-chasing, empty hand and some dabbling in weapons), and usually kept the more offense based tactics away from most common civilians (or anyone with a character who easily quarrels or picks fights for any reason). Some teachers may have even only taught students who they thought would end up using the Martial Arts as a profession (e.g.: for actual government enforced policing groups, caravan escorting, VIP body guard, and military use, etc.). I think this is where you'll find your answer to why Biu Jee, certain weapons forms and weapons applications, and the like, were kept "secret" (but not really) within a historical context. I don't think it's particularly more "deadly" or anything, than the other forms / drills, IMHO. Personally, I think if you look at the nature of Biu Jee in comparison to the other empty hand Wing Chun forms, it just tends to look more long range in nature (reaching for, or chasing after something), as opposed to holding back and standing your ground (self-defense). Lastly, I think within a historical context, professional Martial Artists probably trained a lot of weapons and not just empty hand fighting in latter stages (a common misconception today is that Martial Arts equates to Empty Hand fighting). I mean, without guns, tanks, mobile phones and concrete roads, who wouldn't want a large mob, some horses, long pole arms, "state of the art" projectile weapons, and a blazing INFERNO cannon, for defense? Swords and short weapons were probably just for policing within towns and cities, IMHO. Personally, what I've found cool about Chinese Martial Arts in latter stages is that you can pick up ANYTHING and use it as a weapon or tool. Even your entire body and BARE hands! Just remember, if your BARE hands all the way down to your finger tips and toes and anything you touch aren't becoming weapons or landscaping tools by the time you are finished, do not be fooled! You are NO feudal era Martial Arts SIFU! lol. Just don't hurt your hands or body along the way. ;-)
Good stuff thanks .. 1 question.. what is the bowing of the head at the end of the form for ?
Thanks! It’s actually the coming up part that’s the focus. It’s the idea that if your head gets pressed down, come up with your hands first and hot you head first so you hopefully don’t get punched in the face
3 prayers for the Buddha
Seek sifu Randy Williams biu jee video set,he explains it all
It's called three prayers for the Buddha when you have been knocked down to give you space to to recover and face.Biu Gee is about your outnumbered or been. seriously injured it's about trying to save yourself.
Where abouts are you. Would luv to learn this form.
Hong Kong! But it’s the third form of wing chun
@@kungfuronin not in hk. But would luv to learn this go straight from beginner to this 3rd form would be nice.
Master i am waiting for your wing chun tutorial video thank you your great wing chun sam lau lineage
Thank you! Coming soon! Got loads to share
I have always been taught that SLT is the attacker comes to you. CK is to build a bridge and meet your attacker and then BG is about preempting or attacking your attackers guard/strike. There is a saying that you must sacrifice 3000 of your ment to take 10 000 of theirs. Its also about the lines that exist inside each form. CK uses mostly the tram lines whereas BG the footwork may use thebtram lines but the shoulder is striking doen the centre. Hard to explain in a comment though
The rrason its an 'emergency form' is because it doesnt conform to absorbing any energy but rather to take and strike to regain balance. Its an aggressive form and to be used outside would be forbidden 🤷♂️
Problem is there are so many different lineages at this point and a lot of politics within organisations. Who actually really knows 🤷♂️
Whatever make sense makes sense ! 👍🏻💪🏼
2000! Been at it for a long time
😏💪🏼
Perhaps Biu Ji is an incomplete form that should be added to as more "emergency situations" arise
The problem is with any lineage no consensus can be formed with the sifus to append to it
The only way appending would work is if a virtuoso who themselves or their students defeated all others added to the form
I see why it's called the secret. I am yet to see it done right 😂
好功夫！非常工整 是在香港咏春体育会里拍的吗？
Thank you! 是我在詠春體育館拍的。
Your qui jeun (sp?) is lacking range of motion it seems.
Biu jee for striking eyes and it's a surprise move.
The elbows. I used them since sparring while training wc 2nd form chum kiu
It's not indispensable.
Well.. Elbows are applied since siu lim Tao or why do we always get back to our ma with the elbow hitting an imaginary opponent at our backs?
And bong sao is very likely to be used as an attack, I thought of it since the first time I saw siu lim Tao
I was very happy to see how well you performed this form. The senior instructors from my linage , Ip Man wing chun, only learnt this form once they were very well versed in the first two empty hand forms and the dummy. It wasn’t a secret form but it was held back and only taught when you were ready. It’s applications are lethal . The elbows are finishing strikes . Deadly and last resort . I always wished I had learnt it many years before I did. Fortunately for the many fights I had , lucky I hadn’t.
Thanks!
This version is still better than most I have seen out there.....there are different versions. The Buddhahand Wing Chun version, Futsau, is mind blowing.
Nice !
Sounds "beauty" to me 🙏♥️
thank you!
It looks like a super tough form to learn…
I was taught jabbing fingers, in the 80s.
Nice!
It's about the last resort when you're in serious trouble its taught last because WC you shouldn't be in that position given your training Sau Lim Tao is teaching correct technique .
Kum Qiu is applying and adapting correct technique in a fighting situation. It's no big secret that's the purpose of the 3 forms
I agree! theres no secret at all
Is called secret form because those good mornings at the end are really embarrasing and people don't want others to see 😅🤣
well, its no secret anymore lol
This "saving it for emergencies idea is nonsense. Any physical conflict is an emergency. You job is to neutralize any threat as quickly and decisively as possible. Why use anything less than your most effective techniques?
Very true!
Your life isn’t always in danger in every fight. Sometimes your defence can be minimal. You don’t always need to destroy the attacker.
@@wingchun-simplekungfu7584 Oh really? So you get punched in the face fall back and hit your head on the kerb and you're dead... the assumption you must make is that your life is in danger any time violence is on the table. If someone wants to make things physical, the worst thing you can do is underestimate the situation. You don't know the outcome until you are back in your own home at the end of the night.
I'm assuming from this comment you have little real world experience. I'd advise it's best for you to keep it that way. I'd advise that for everyone to be honest, but more so for those who have unrealistic expectations.
@@shaunclubberlang2887 My comment is based on experience. Otherwise no need to comment. My experience counts. No need to destroy every idiot picking a fight. Your comment IS assumption .
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Its no longer a secret form considering so many people know it. Different interpretations from different lineages also exist. The way I do it is very different to this video.
Many different ways !
Maybe it's called a secret form...because it has just recently been made up...and therefore not many would lnow about it...😅 ...just thinking.
Say...does Master Ip Chun know about this??
Tai chi is a third form in one. Believe third form is good from what I see because with angulation you also step in.
Nice.
Thanks!
Wing chun only has Si lum tao, Chum Kil, and Bil Jee. A less clickbait title would be Wing Chun's third form, but that doesn't make it seem as mysterious. Talk about muddying the waters to make them seem deep.
"biu jee never leaves the door" is actually a proper saying in hong kong! All the first generation Yip man students would mention it.
@kungfuronin yes and I'm sure by mentioning this anecdote to new and prospective students you can justify another what, 100$ a month in membership??
@@arquentur6226 im sorry you had a bad experience with teachers! Part of what makes a style interesting is its history and stories. I for one loved to hear these stories from my teachers. A form is just a form. anyone can learn a form anywhere nowadays anyways. good luck with training!
don't mind him, he obviously went to one of the leung ting inspired sectarian grifter schools who teach you anything but the combat effective stuff and will grade the same way mcdojos do...@@kungfuronin
Next time a bit slower.
Change the speed of the video
🤔👍!!!
Thank you!
not quite right
There is nothing at all surprising to those who practice other southern Chinese systems of kung-fu. Many of the Wing chun moves can be seen in Hung Gar and others. Attacking the eyes are basic in all of kung-fu. Others will rip the throat and testicles, etc. There are no surprises at all in Biu Jee, which is even considered very basic in other systems. If wing chun were a sacred, to be worshiped secret system, then every martial artist in Hong Kong, Taiwan, and China would choose only to study it. Use some reasoning! The only "secret" of Biu Jee is in marketing it to the gullible. If Kowloon's infamous Walled City still existed, you would have the opportunity to test your skills, as I did, to see what system works best. The one that works best is what the individual practitioner makes of it, the hard training, the genetic tools that include fast twitch muscle fibers for speed and strength, superior eyes, and reflexes, the same that is need to play in America's NFL and NBA. If you aren't born with the needed genetics, you will only fiddle around with kung-fu, which is why there is some kwoons won't allow you inside their doors to bother them by watching or asking stupid questions.
Very sloppy
Yup
Forms are useless unless you are really trained in how to use the ideas in the form. Secret form is nonsense.
Solch eine schlechte Form sieht man selten. Looks like Wing Chun, but it's not Wing Chun.
Thanks for watching !
Not a secret form, and you're doing it incorrectly 😂😂😂
All farting without 气劲