Peter Bethlenfalvy says union to blame for LCBO strike
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ก.ค. 2024
- Ontario Finance Minister Peter Bethlenfalvy spoke to CP24 today and blamed the union for the impasse at the bargaining table.
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I don't like and support Doug Ford, but in this case, the union is fighting to keep the monopoly.
They are fighting to keep their jobs, the monopoly doesn't change lol from who do you think the convenience store are going to buy their liquor from? I tell you it would be from the LCBO. Ontario goverment are not going to lose a dime but they will be able to close down stores that way they don't need to spend money on staff and store, just like the weed industry here in ontario, we still going to pay high prices for liquor comparing to any other country we pay about 12 to 15 usd or euros more for a 750ml bottle.
@@Atite_Lometen Wait a second, you just prove to me this strike is to keep the monopoly! If they will buy from LCBO and will still be under government control there is no logical point on this strike that makes sense from the union claiming the reason as opening the market for other locations to sell!
@@Atite_Lometenwe pay more because of alcohol taxes. We pay higher before tax prices on the booze because of the overhead costs of running these LCBO museum stores and the overpaid salaries of the workers.😂😂
They're fighting to stop living wage jobs from being replaced by minimum wage jobs where profits go to multi-nationals and grocery conglomerates. The strike started the minute they wanted spirits-based coolers in convenience stores and grocery stores because it's the biggest growth category among alcoholic beverages. You can also see the correspondences on the LCBOs negotiations website and the union website, they provided no guarantees of RTDs or spirits from going into private. I'm all for choice, but people can get choice without destroying living wage jobs by reforming the LCBOs product submission process and to appeal to the government around liquor taxes. Because private won't address either issue and will likely see price increases like in Alberta where a 6pk of import beer is way more expensive than at LCBO.
The monopoly exists regardless of the stores existing. Province controls distribution, minimum prices and taxes on alcohol. All this "choice" does is move spirits-based products to big private business who aren't living wage employers (no disrespect to bottle shops who do actually allow choice for things the LCBO doesn't sell who wouldn't be affected by these changes) and destroy living wage jobs and the lives of working class Canadians. Thankfully most support the labour action and aren't morons who spit out BS online who have no idea about alcohol sales and policy in Ontario.
SHUT IT DOWN
@@vanny5348hehehehe
@@lizziegirl5124It's Doug get off my lawn Ford's fault which definitely doesn't surprise me cause he's a cheap scate tightwad like Pierre Pollive
Who cares, there are many options out there people.
Bordeaux? We got Niagara on the Lake, pinot? Twenty mile bench? Sparkling wine? Tons of options. Beer? Take your pick.
Its not really big picture about booze options...its about our government being useless and run by idiots. They can't even run a liquor store monopoly??? Thats not concerning to you at all? Do you understand how much taxes we pay?? With our taxation, If things are not top top, then its the opposite: a communist dictatorship ghetto, where the people running it spend 200k on a week of flights and food, and the rest of us are arguing about "booze options".
Like going to a bar or restaraunt and paying double for a bottle of wine that would at the LCBO lol I've been on the app the options aren't that great.
@@zainfazal.3369 poor you
@@marleyorange lol what do mean "Poor Me" I don't even drink I am just telling it like it is. This app is trash and a waste of money like people don't know how to google where to find alcohol lol.
Government should not be involved in retail.
Would you define 'retail" because alcohol, pot, e.v.'s medications, gas, electricity to name but a few all have gov'ts finger prints (& our tax dollars) all over them.
a no brainer
You must hate Canada post.😂😂
Alkohol known to cause cancer and car accidents ..does the LCBO monopoly really want to talk about health care
@@rafial81 Alcohol also plays a significant role in D.V. & assualt & murder cases
Board them up. I'll go the Amazon delivery option
I ordered my wine online with free delivery. Picked up my coolers at the Beer Store.
I don't think this protest was well thought out lol.
Ontario is years behind, look at Quebec and Alberta it worked there. Union love status quo, not progress
Quebec doesn't sell RTDs. The union has said nothing about beer or wine sales in convenience stores. The minute the word "spirits" came out of the governments mouth was when the gloves came off.
Also Alberta liquor is mostly overpriced versus Ontario liquor despite having a fraction of Ontario's liquor taxes (sub-30% versus 80%+.) I wonder why that is?
Wow, are you stupid? Their prices in 2019 are still higher than they are today at the LCBO. Privatizing means bigger profits for Weston. Alberta had to lower its taxes because private retailers raised their prices so high. You don't have any knowledge, and yet you post LIES. POS!
I grew up in Quebec. SAQ has more selection even , they do just fine … I guess Alberta too lol this is a joke
@@whiskyboi312yes they do lol what do you mean ?
All convenience stores and corner stores do , I grew up and lived there for 28 years lol
They just sell malt beverages that are mixed . Not mixed with actual vodka for example .
If you buy a palm bay at the depanneur … it contains malt .
At the SAQ , it has the vodka .
@hadesunderworld4203 exactly, they don't sell spirits based products in Quebec convenience stores. OPSEU never said "no" to allowing malt based coolers, the disagreement is over coolers containing vodka, whisky, tequila, etc. which are the biggest growth category among the 19-36 age demographic and a huge volume seller for a lot of stores in urban areas. Those stores lose sales and living wage jobs will definitely be cut by the trigger happy government.
They’re deleveraging , and the employees have no clue what’s going to happen
they will be feeding the unemployment number shortly. THANK YOU LCBO workers for helping lower interest rates!
@@vert911 what? they can only collect so much EI then they get to get off their ass and work for real :)
@@vert911bullshit. If anything the strike will show the hard workers from the lazy ones. The only ones i see striking at my location are the newbies that the employees have softly complained to me about. Their jobs were already on the line because they don't WANT to work.
Lcbo is also building non unionized warehouses run by an outsourced company
you mean by people who actually work? criminal- block their bank accounts!
All part of the plan in motion to phase out high overhead. Sign of the times.
350 lcbo management are on sunshine list.. they only have roughly 700 stores.. the yearly salary budget is 98,000,000.00 $.. defund this waste.
What a weak reasoning. They arent going to lose much of the monopoly. The lie that it's about hours and wage is also weak because the only people I hear that from, aren't good workers.
Let's be honest, it's cool to strike and protest right now. The strikers i passed were arrogant monsters. They seemed drunk, they were lowering their flags and blocking people walking by, hitting them with pool noodles and a guy with a whistle that wouldnt stop blowing it for 9 hours straight. Corner stores aren't going to have as large of a selection. And most of their sales are going to be people near the stores with DUIs who dont want to walk as far. Or 24/7 locations that are open past the LCBO hours. Use your BRAINS folks.
Yeah a monopoly is not ever good for the consumer...this strike is just making that more evident
Alkohol known to cause cancer and car accidents ..does the LCBO monopoly really want to talk about health care
LCBO, is not a necessity for life. It's just something you buy for fun!
Bro this strike gonna be different from other Public Sector strikes. Doug Ford knows he has leverage. He gonna wait it out till the Union caves or runs out of strike funds.😂
The government are already walking back on licensee-stores being open early and blamed potential picketing and not the fact that they are unorganized because the union workers who ran their 2 biggest warehouses are on strike. The only leverage Ford has is with his buddies in the media and uninformed commentators who want to erase 1000s of jobs and billions in provincial surplus so they can get a White Claw at 7-11 for $5+ a can.
Pete and Phatz Ford are still on vacation for three more months. LCBO workers have six months of vacation a year?????
Well it's a provincial matter so the Premiere will need to decide what to do maybe they will just transition to independent retailers like in BC if employees are making unreasonable demands.
Sorry folks!! the LCBO (middle man) is a cost we can do without! by removing the labour cost from the LCBO. In the U.S. all booze can be bought at any store ...Meijer and Walmart just to name a couple!! Lets get rid of the overhead.
Same in the UK. I can walk into any grocery store and buy beer/wine/whisky. LCBO is a holdover from the prohibition era.
Pretty sad that people like you are fine with replacing living wage jobs with minimum wage and then will probably complain how bad the economy has gotten.
"I got mine so you can't have yours!" mentality in a nutshell. Check your head bud.
Kirkland brand alcohol at Costco like in the States would be a nice step.
We have that in Alberta.
Like everything else. Out with the old and in with the new. Change can suck but Alberta is private and it’s great with selections and prices. Government monopoly on any product is wrong!
I hope the LCBO stays shut, FOREVER ...Less DRUNKS on the roads , the BEER Stores too.
Yeah if anything the people with DUIs will be less likely to steal people's keys to go the liquer store and just walk down the street instead.
LCBO workers are such a joke
Union lunacy strikes again.
Close the LCBO. Why shou.d taxpayers be forced to pay cashiers, cleaners and shelf stockers $30.00 to $40.00 per hour plus benefits. What an outdated and useless model. Those 9000 workers should start retraining.
Too late. The Province has already decided. The monopoly is finished.
lol you are so not intelligent, where do you think this independent stores are going buy liquor from? the beer store lol LCBO will be still the supplier, LCBO controls liquor sales in Ontario and that won't change, they just want to get rid of the stores and just cash in on whole sales like the ocs, operating the stores take a lot of money.
@@Atite_Lometenthe fact that you started with an insult followed by incoherent babble actually shows youuuur intellect.
@@Atite_Lometen Monopoly in this sense refers to a lack of options and choices for consumers. Regardless of where it's coming from, being able to buy alcohol while out shopping for other things, or after 6pm on a sunday for example will be very helpful
How much should shelf stockers be paid ? What are qualifications ? part time jobs
They're cashiers...
No their not lmfao. Retail maybe some, other are stockers and warehouse workers. Educate yourself buddy
@@Josh58111it's literally just the new cashiers that I've seen out striking. The ones that do all the actual work are staying home and catching up on their gardening lol.
When it opens back up, find one of the guys or gals you see stocking the shelves and ask them what 70% of the other employees do? For sure it's "stand around gossiping and avoiding work."
@@lizziegirl5124no they aren't most I talked to have been with the lcbo for years. Stop pushing blatant false information.
They are demanding a lot of perks for being a cashier.. workers at Walmart work harder for less?
They're arrogant and lazy, and judgemental. Especially the newbies.
I don't see ANY of the people who actually work hard out picketing my location.
Health care id dosrace in BC. No doctors....one walk in clinic in Nanaimo now and other towns around ....one to service how many, you canbline up 6:30 am and hopfully you make list for that day, you will be told tocome back many times through day even if you got a spot!!!!
I had to get a new doctor fairly recently and just googled "doctors accepting new patients in my area".. the local government had it on their website.. got a new doctor within a matter of weeks. If youre complaining about "using the money elsewhere", at least complain about something that hasn't already been done. 😂 privatizing is good for local/small business, and better for your community. The government needs to get their hands out of everyones pockets.
So will this take job's away from young people due to alcohol being sold in these places due to under age working in them places
Other question...why is Nanaimo sign in BC Park have WEF symbol in it????
Woah good catch. Did not notice that. That ain't good!!
LOL. Tinfoil chapeau.
LCBO and the Union can take a hole, IN THIS WEATHER😭..... 😂
They should spend that time looking for another cashier job
I’m off the sauce close to two years now…I drink spring water 💦. Converted Waterholic getting hammered daily…
Haha that's the cutest thing I've read in a long time.
@@lizziegirl5124 Cheers! From a struggling 💦 Waterholic who refuses counsel. My life revolves around a 500ml. spring water bottle…
@@andygrenn680 doesn't it feel great in the summer? Man that heat is easy when you be drunk on aqua! 😅
@@lizziegirl5124 Aqua never been bad to me…like gulping a 500ml bottle down…
@@andygrenn680 i've got s 500ml and 250ml going at the same time in two different rooms!
Even when I'm drinking I've got water. And if it's gonna be a night out i make sure i keep snacking. People need better ways of doing things all around.
I have no problem supporting the union’s wish to have a monopoly on spirit sales because there are plenty of LCBO stores around and the prices are controlled. But the LCBO must have open hours that reflect the store hours of their agency stores and other private retailers. That means open at 9AM and close at 10PM at the very least. If the LCBO and union can’t agree to this, then allowing private retailers the sale of spirits will be inevitable.
If you see the bargaining details the union wants LCBO hours expanded. The Government is lying about the union not wanting to negotiate, they're the ones who refused to include negotiated agreements in their final deal before the strike deadline. Ford just wants to get his rich friends more money (and to solidify his post-politics paycheque.)
I have been drinking allot. The closure of LCBO will be beneficial to my physical health
Your problem is yours. Get help don’t drag everyone down with your choices
Don't blame the LCBO for your drinking problems. That's on you.
Well you wouldn’t want to blame the government
Says the guy who blames Trudeau when he soils his shorts.
Fed emp get 15% raises, bonuses...they are only out to break prov employees
Public transit should be privatized too. TTC sucks.
It is privatized but funded by taxpayers for the most part.
@@gonefishing4204no it isn’t the TTC is subsidized by property taxes on tops of the fares riders pay.😂😂
They've privatized transit in other jurisdictions in the world. It never worked well. Service went way down and prices went way up. YAY CAPITALISM!
when i was a teenager i could find and buy any drug you can name,had a hard time getting booze. think about it.
You weren't very smart then . Alcohol was easy to get .
Lol is not that hard to find booze anymore this is 2024 not the 1970s
@@troyzieman7177 oh i was smarter than you ,i said it was harder,not oi couldnt get it ,so fu
@scottshorten9962 yes , you're Grammer and spelling are indicative of you're " superior" intellect.. I am guessing you wore a hockey helmet and took the small bus to school?
@troyzieman7177 actually most of the people who can't type are some of the smartest most intelligent people I've met. They're just used to having real conversations and don't frequent the phone as much as you do.
This guy needs to retire!!!! He doesnt know how Ontario will sub the shortage in the budget when LCBO can't give 2.5 Billion dollars profits to Ontario!!!. Your taxes will go up!!!
this is because its all coming to an end if the lcbo was much more convenient to begin with this wouldn't be an issue. other provinces sell them in the grocery stores and have been. the lcbo has never been that. with drinks available at store the price is gonna be more competitive this is jjust a precursor to whats to come.
prices will be more expensive cause they still has to buy it form the lcbo. The lcbo controls the price and the tax, like the ocs.
@@Atite_Lometen lcbo is a major distribution company but they only have a hold on ontairo the vultures are circling and just like in other provinces it's only a matter of time this is a business like anything else why do you think they decided to strike this early before the new law comes into effect.... some places prices are higher now when you buy drinks outside of an lcbo store they are able to do that cause you cant buy it everywhere once those coolers are everywhere all prices will drop mark this post and see what happens come September
The store near me is always bursting at the seams with customers. It's hard to go in there and browse. They'll be fine for sure.
Union company makes a lot of money and not the worker.😂 why not lower the union fee?
the stupidity in here is laughable.
They want grocery stores to handle and no union
were not taxing things and we are building things,,,,,,,well now by this man a beer.
Union is a big problem in Canada. We need a new system to resolve labour disputes.
Management is a bigger problem than unions.
Right to Work legislation - union dues are optional.
@michaelanderson3096 Union dues are tax deductible.
@@shanewilson8728 Making union dues optional in the Province of Ontario would create 50000 manufacturing jobs.
your not too bright eh? if it wasnt for unions we would all be making dick all,and working 6 days a week,no holidays .were do u think all that came from,out of the goodness of employers hearts?
Fuck alcohol.. 😂.. this issue maybe important but i m sure ford and his government can focus on other more important things hurting ontarions.
F the union- i need my bottle- 😂
Sad
Conveniece stores help create 15 min cities
Unions have to go!
We dont need a government to tell us what we can and cannot do. As a free citizen, I am free to make my own choices on what I do with my body. Almost back to the jab issue again, huh?
Not even close but sure.
Are you new to canada? The government controls everything, and we pay a ton of taxes to let them
OPSEU and LCBO want Doug Ford to expand, but include LCBO/opseu in expanding distribution. If LCBO makes 2.5 b per year in profit for the public, imagine what expanding those profits by being the sole supplier to all these new stores with licenses could do in revenue and profit for the public on top of what is being done for the public now. The 2.5b$$.
If Doug Ford says NO to expanding LCBO, the LCBO loses that profit yearly and so will the public, plus all the new profits he makes without expanding lcbo no longer go to the public cause the big box stores and convince stores you'd buy from would be owned by his friends privately. So profits all go into their pockets instead.
Why are they aloud to strike they are essential workers ?
And why to Fuck is Doug doing commercial with my tax dollars
Probably for the same reason my tax dollars go to other peoples child tax benefit. It doesn't help me the same way the child tax benefit doesn't.
lol
Clise the labor. Taxpayers should not have to support an expensive out of date government jobs and high priced booze.
Imagine trying to sympathize with people would sell drugs/poison. Who cares about alcohol. They can all kick rocks. Spend that pension/salary money on healthcare instead and increase all alcohol taxes
Im confused, isnt it run by the province? Who is "signing the pay cheques"? If its not run by the province, and it doesnt stop this kind of thing from happening, what is the point of handing over all competition to this socialist monopoly model then??? Also, how badly are they getting underpaid?? Whats the going rate for a grocery store cashier these days?? Is booze about to get more expensive over this? How can they not afford to handle their work force properly...THERE IS NO COMPETITION, and bussiness is always booming! They all want 60K for stocking shelves and scanning bottles, or what?
It's job security, not necessarily pay. 70% casual workforce means there is NO security for the position. For arguments sake let's say a retail worker makes $30/hr. What is $30/hrs x 0 hours in a pay period? 0$. (To even make much more than minimum wage you have to be there 5-10+ years and work ancertain number of hoirs to even qualify. (And only after 5 years + 1500 hours worked can you qualify for ANY benefits.) The warehouse is also picketing, not just retail locations. Just because all you can SEE are the retail workers, doesn't mean they're the only ones that are being effected by this.
How much do the RICH,Elites want 😢this character should work for a living,trying to pay just to live..
Now corner stores must hire over 19 age employees, is it
Corner stores already sell cigarettes and lotto what are you talking about?
what a load of crap from both sides of this interview
What was offered
Stay out who gives a care
Union busting
Alcohol is bad anyways hope LCBO is closed down
So's cough syrup if you drink the whole bottle. Alcohol is just ancient medicine (except for the cheap shit) people are irresponsible.
Let's face it we are becoming another state 😮
Woohoo!
It's simple...upper management for the LCBO and the worker's union will get jobs elsewhere or a beauty golden parachute. In the mean time the LCBO will be shuttered and tax revenue from the sales of alcohol will go from being an income source for the Ontario government to being a profit source for large corporations. It really is just a transfer of control. If it was really about the consumer than alcohol sales would have been offered through all retailers not just the big chains years ago. Just follow the money. To the LCBO workers, you have been duped.
Liquor sales still have to go by the LCBO so tax revenue won't be shift it to large corps, tax revenues will increase actually cause the Ontario government will be able to close stores and fire staff which are cost that are loses, making the same sells and profit on taxes without mirco managing the stores like the OCS.
You forget that the lcbo will give you fair pricing. whatever fees, taxes, operation costs will now go to the consumer, so that companies can keep their bigger profits. As the consumer we'll lose and as a society we'll lose a good employer that helped these people go to the middle class
@@josequezada519 monopoly is good for the consumer? since when?
@@Atite_Lometenwhich as a company you should be doing anyway. If a store isn't making money then it has to go. That's just logic. I know people don't like change or having to be forced to lift a finger but there are other jobs out there. Plenty of businesses having trouble finding good workers. It surprises me that people are worried about jobs after years of media coverage of help wanted signs and hearing from local employers how hard it is to find people that want to work. They will be fine.
@@notastone4832 and you must think corporations are good for consumers and employees...welcome to the robber baron era 2.0
Let’s ask those passengers affected by WestJet strike how they feel about monopoly and oligopoly vs perfectly competitive marketplace
Everyone will be in long-term care or jail .this government does not want you owning a house or car.
Right to Work legislation + Universal tariff rates.
Keep on fighting and don't give up 💪🙂🚬
how about changing drinking age to 21
I’ll say 25+ Alcohol is bad
@@JizMafiathat will cause way more problems than you think.
Alcohol is ancient medicine. So just like if you drink too much cough syrup, it's bad. People are bad, not the booze. Don't be an idiot with it and it's actually healthy to have a bit here and there as long as it isn't that cheap vodka that's basically hairspray.
The hospitality industry will have their say soon enough.Then ford will have to fish or cut bait.
More drunks? Booze available in plenty of “more options “? Keep thinking of wrong options how sad.
*LCBO Warehouse Worker here* 👋
I want to clarify some things Peter lied about, or was intentionally misleading about during this interview. I’d also like to remind everyone this is Doug Ford’s cabinet member and Conservative finance minister of Ontario (he is responsible for Ontario’s tax and benefit policies and his decisions have a direct impact on your cost of living in this province). His salary is a little over $160,000/year.
Ok, first of all, we did not choose to “walk away early,” as Mr. Bethlenfalvy states in this interview. During negotiations there is an arbitrator present, this person acts as a neutral middle-party. Once the arbitrator realized the LCBO was not going to meet or even NEGOTIATE on our demands of job security they basically called it a stale-mate at which point we were forced to make the decision to strike. Our only other option was to accept a deal that we believe would accelerate the privatization of the LCBO and demolish one of the ONLY good jobs we have left in our communities to fight for.
Second to the above is the claim they offered us “basically” everything we asked for. Think about that statement for a moment. Ask yourself “Does it make sense they would decline an offer that contains everything they asked for? Why would they reach a stalemate if they received an offer like that?” The answer is simple, they didn’t give us an offer like Peter is claiming they did. They offered us a pay increase that doesn’t even meet inflation, the same thing that your company is probably doing to you. We are all struggling to make ends meet, except for Peter Bethlenfavy and Doug Ford & friends. So, to be clear, we did not receive a reasonable offer which we chose to selfishly decline in hopes to achieve an even more lucrative deal. We are standing up to the government because we are the people of Ontario and we ALL deserve to live a good life. Without the revenue generated by LCBO we all foot the $2.5 billion dollar bill together in our increased taxes. Without this we all suffer.
Lastly, I want to address the idea that we should “move Ontario to the 21st century and treat Ontarians like adults.” Our union is not against the expansion of product availability, this is something we consider an exciting topic of debate in our negotiations because it breaks new ground and we believe it could create good jobs. What we are against, however, is paying workers low wages with no benefits or pension in order to create more wealth for the top of the food chain. We have suggested to the government that we put an OPSEU member LCBO employee at each retail location for beverage alcohol. To us, that means a number of new members, some of which could be YOU. We want them to pay you a livable wage like I mentioned before, we want them to enrol you in a benefits package and offer you a pension. The government does not want to consider this option because it’s more expensive and complicated for them, despite it meeting both our agendas. When they say treat Ontarians like adults, to me, that means “increase their taxes,” and “be deceptive on television to maintain our holier-than-thou position publicly.”
In conclusion, when I got hired for this job they made me put my hand on the bible and swear an oath to the queen of England - “I solemnly swear…blah, blah, blah, Amen." Once sworn in under oath, under normal circumstances I could be persecuted for treason by sharing anything about the employer or slandering the government (i wish I was joking. Most people don’t know this is even a thing). This might be my only chance to speak my mind uninhibited. So, what have we learned? For one, we didn’t walk away early and let me be clear, WE ARE READY AND WILLING TO SIT DOWN & NEGOTIATE MEANINGFULLY. We would return to the table immediately if we believed the LCBO was willing to negotiate our tabled demands with the intent of resolution instead of the intent to deny. Second, we learned that Peter Bethlenfavy was intentionally misleading the public during this interview and the LCBO absolutely did NOT table an offer that was even remotely close to what we had proposed. Lastly, we learned that OPSEU is not fighting against coolers in convenience stores. We are happy to expand but we will not allow the Doug Ford government to cost Ontarians more than they have already. We are your neighbours, we are your friends, we used to be your classmates and some of us still are. This isn’t OPSEU Vs liquor in convenience stores. This is The People of Ontario vs The Ford Government of Ontario.
Naaah you seem brainwashed.
If you're not being treated right it's the LCBO's issue.
They aren't going to negotiate because it's happening regardless.
@@lizziegirl5124 how much is the Tory government paying you shill?
@@lizziegirl5124 You are doing tarot readings and you are calling me brainwashed😂i can't LMAO....
Fully support Doug Ford.
Let them strike and see who is the winner.
Break up this MONOPOLY now!!! Same with the Beer store.
If you hold the belief that alcohol is controlled substance then government control makes slime sense.
Otherwise the government should focus on market policies and let privateers compete in that marketplace
It's a drug. Of course its a controlled substance.
@@whiskyboi312then Cough Syrup should also be.
@@lizziegirl5124considering the contents and how much it's abused by people getting high, it absolutely should be.
@@whiskyboi312 maybe we just need to be there for our children a bit better.
@@whiskyboi312 whisky boi you a troll.
Yep Doug, destroy the LCBO and have less money for health care and education.....................Grade 9 Doug!!!!
You drank the kool-aid, the LCBO is outdated and to expensive because of the union.
Doug Ford is my hero.
Bot.
Fully support Doug ford , i will never vote for the liberal, ndp party provincial or federal tax tax tax, i love Canada ❤️ 🇨🇦