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Important thing to remember is that "Radagon is Marika", but they have separated wills and might have acted with separated objectives. We are told this at the very start of the game, when we see Marika shattering the Elden Ring, but Radagon trying to repair it.
Its a possession thing almost guaranteed, as an explanation on that. GW possessing marika = radagon essentially. With how she says hes yet to become her, and how her eyes and radagons eyes are an increasingly burned scarseal, with eventually radagons seal of impenetrable thorns completely burning her soul/eyes away. It completely lines up with shabriri, the jewish demon of blindness, being the complete explanation of elden rings possession mechanic for eldritch beings.
@@zachariahsmith9130 he literally used to be, it took him half the dlc to seal st trina away, and he left his entire body behind to travel to the lands between, then plucked out his eye and great rune. Being possessed by a dream walker in dreams is still being possessed.
I think Marika was actually put in a jar by the horsent but became the saint they had been hoping for from the ritual, that’s how she became trusted and revered by them. That conglomeration of other bodies could also explain how Radagon came to be, and how marika is technically cursed by gaining power through such a terrible ritual that caused all of her children to be cursed
Exactly. It was also said that Radagon was ashamed of his red hair, which may link him to the Fire Giants. It could be that Radagon was put into a jar with Marika and the two of them fusing together created the "Saint" that the Hornsent were hoping for. It makes sense.
@@jvracingvids6529 It wasn't just simply torture. It functioned as a religious practice as well. The jarring process and what it was supposed to create is similar to what the Divine Tower of Belurat was, a means to achieve godhood. The divine gate is likely the greatest success of the hornsent.
1:06:57 The reason Godfrey was ousted is pretty clear and stated by Marika's words, passed on to us via Melina. Godfrey and his army were removed of grace and sent away, so they could "grow strong in the face of deat h", then come back stronger to the lands between after that, receiving back their grace and brandishing the Elden Ring.
1:08:50 Despite their horns, omens are probably a curse even among hornsent. If you attack Grandam Hornsent, she will speak of the curse of Omen cast upon Marika's children. The Grandam specifically says "curse of Omen"
35:39 what if Marika and Radagon were originally two separate beings. Radagon could have been the lord she was going to come back to after her ascension to godhood, but instead she merged with him to be both a lord and god. The seduction: Marika having a life with Radagon and giving birth to Messmer and Melina. The betrayal: Marika merging with Radagon and becoming one.
Cool stuff man. Thanks for this. I just beat the base game after about 213 hours and I like to see explanation videos like this. I went with !!! SPOILERS AHEAD !!! Ranni's ending.
Hi, the presentation of information and gameplay in the game is really interesting. I’d love to see more videos from you. Even though I played it on Boosteroid myself, it’s still really fascinating to watch you.
The dual entities function exactly like a biblical trinity with The Greater Will always placed as "The Father". It's why we see Miquella and Ranni both seperate their spirit from their bodies.
i'm still at 52:29 but i must say that at this time Godfrey was probably out to hunt Placidusax, since he took one of the five heads of the dragon, and bayle took the other 2
When Miquella says "now the vow will be honoured" means radahn accepted being his consort. He was honouring his part of the vow for a reason, then we see radahn´s nickname is "promised consort", another reason to say he accepted because if miquella fulfilled his part he would promise him to be his consort
Also, the crisscross pattern behind the statues of radagon are a part of the elden ring, looking at the cover art the same crisscross is there. I think that radagon lived inside marika until she was able to get the elden ring and then she used a part of it to grant radagon a body by proxy.
Oh my god. Maybe they were known as the “Shadowlands,” not because they’re in some showdy nether-dimension, but rather; because they were in the physical shadow of the Altus plateau which we know is geographically so much higher than the surrounding continent!
Ranni is an empyeren because her father is radagon (who is also the god marika as she is radagons vessel) miquell and melenia killed their shadows and there isnt alot of info for the Gloam eyed queen
at surface level it seems cruel about the shamans being put in the jars but I think it holds major significance in that it’s a parallel to something being preserved…like the Shamans and their knowledge in some way NEEDED to be preserved. Just a thought
outer gods are OUTER higher multiple planes of existence gods much like lovecrafts. i do not think The moon and fell god are outer gods. I do believe other outer gods are on the same footing as the greater will. the fact that they chose " outer " god for these entities says everything we need to know about these eldritch cosmic nightmares
I'm confused as to why Marika created the Erdtree when there was the Great Tree, presumably created by the GW and containing the elden beast, during the time of the crucible. Additionally, why or how did the 'greater will' bar us from entering the Erdtree if the GW has been silent since Metyr showed up. Did Metyr seal the Erdtree on behalf of the greater will?
Their are not multiple Astell's. There's one. Thats like saying all the Starfall Beasts are the same Starfall Beast. They all arrived on a meteor shower. Probably the same time Metyr landed in the lands between.
Marika finding a seed of the Erdtree and thats how she became a God, that is like of some anime/manga plot kinda I can think of at least 5 anime which some I forgot the title and some are summer time rendering(which is the similarity is uncanny if that what it is)
I think that when marika stepped through the gates she already knew and seduced radagon. Maybe by enticing him with power or even love. But just as how miquellas lord requires a vessel so too did radagon so marika took it upon herself to become his vessel. Miquella could have done this for radahn as well if he hadnt been shedding his own body of the golden impurities
the fingerslayer blade, Metyr, and the elden ring I personally think all connect to Marika conspiring with the Nox to take the elden ring from Metyr to become a god. the original sin was stealing the elden ring, attacking Metyr was also what invoked the ire of the greater will against the Nox. the three fingers i think are the result of Metyr's own anguish in realizing the Greater Will abandoned her. the three fingers is an incarnation of the madness she has been reduced to.
Was extremely disappointed to hear Miyazaki say that there really is no set base story. They have a general outline and then a bunch of stuff sprinkled in as filler and to make the gameplay work. All these years of theories and looking for environmental storytelling and they don't even have a set story for us to decipher. We have to "make it up for ourselves" and " that's the beauty of it" which I think is fcking insane. I'm just extremely disappointed and to find out the story behind ER is not a set thing someone has written down somewhere is upsetting to me.
Actually Miyazaki said he has the whole story and what actually happened in his head for all his games but leaves out a lot so you can come up with your own story. That’s why I think it would be so awesome if one day he came out w a book sharing what actually happened in his stories. I’d pay anything.
Let me save your time, the story and the lore are gibberish nonsense, Elden Ring open world and gameplay is top notch. I have 800 hours and can tell you everything where is what, but story? Fromsoft doesn't make stories.
There is nearly no story because we are playing in an aftermath of what happened thousands of years ago. The lore however, is very far from what you claim. It may seem like that if you lack proper understanding.
There isn't any reason to have a conversation with someone dense and I do not care enough to drag this topic just to prove you how incorrect and wrong you are. You are missing out, not me.
7:07 Sir, a second star has hit the lands between.
Underrated
Considering the amount of Astel and Starfalling Beasts, multiple stars hit the lands between. A lot of them.
Daaaaamnn....i haven't even been interested in my studies like this... lemme grab a pen and paper
😂😂xddd
Listen up fellow tarnished there will be an exam
What an incredible video game, my God.
1:38:30 "Promise me Ned", GRR Martin and his obsessions shine through
Thank you for shouting out other amazing lore channels too, as this video is sure to bring fresh eyes to the lore side of Elden Ring and other FromSoft games!
Important thing to remember is that "Radagon is Marika", but they have separated wills and might have acted with separated objectives. We are told this at the very start of the game, when we see Marika shattering the Elden Ring, but Radagon trying to repair it.
Its a possession thing almost guaranteed, as an explanation on that. GW possessing marika = radagon essentially.
With how she says hes yet to become her, and how her eyes and radagons eyes are an increasingly burned scarseal, with eventually radagons seal of impenetrable thorns completely burning her soul/eyes away. It completely lines up with shabriri, the jewish demon of blindness, being the complete explanation of elden rings possession mechanic for eldritch beings.
@ASlopedRoof its not a possession thing. Miquella isn't possessed be St Trina
@@zachariahsmith9130 he literally used to be, it took him half the dlc to seal st trina away, and he left his entire body behind to travel to the lands between, then plucked out his eye and great rune. Being possessed by a dream walker in dreams is still being possessed.
@@ASlopedRoof i have no idea where you got that but it is so so wrong
@@zachariahsmith9130 cool beans bro
This is so well put together it's amazing to watch. So many sources put together makes it make sense so much better. Love it!
Will add this to my watchlist for future reference, after i play the dlc. Thanks for the video!
I think Marika was actually put in a jar by the horsent but became the saint they had been hoping for from the ritual, that’s how she became trusted and revered by them. That conglomeration of other bodies could also explain how Radagon came to be, and how marika is technically cursed by gaining power through such a terrible ritual that caused all of her children to be cursed
Stuffing shaman into jars was simply a form of torture.
@@jvracingvids6529 yes its a form of torture but there’s no stated purpose for the ritual other than turning the shamans into saints
Exactly. It was also said that Radagon was ashamed of his red hair, which may link him to the Fire Giants. It could be that Radagon was put into a jar with Marika and the two of them fusing together created the "Saint" that the Hornsent were hoping for. It makes sense.
@@jvracingvids6529 It wasn't just simply torture. It functioned as a religious practice as well. The jarring process and what it was supposed to create is similar to what the Divine Tower of Belurat was, a means to achieve godhood. The divine gate is likely the greatest success of the hornsent.
@@pillarmenn1936 no. It was torture
1:06:57 The reason Godfrey was ousted is pretty clear and stated by Marika's words, passed on to us via Melina. Godfrey and his army were removed of grace and sent away, so they could "grow strong in the face of deat h", then come back stronger to the lands between after that, receiving back their grace and brandishing the Elden Ring.
1:08:50 Despite their horns, omens are probably a curse even among hornsent. If you attack Grandam Hornsent, she will speak of the curse of Omen cast upon Marika's children. The Grandam specifically says "curse of Omen"
35:39 what if Marika and Radagon were originally two separate beings. Radagon could have been the lord she was going to come back to after her ascension to godhood, but instead she merged with him to be both a lord and god.
The seduction: Marika having a life with Radagon and giving birth to Messmer and Melina.
The betrayal: Marika merging with Radagon and becoming one.
I believe they were separate people at one point however since he seemed to appear out of nowhere it’s hard to say
Is this DAVE? Yesssss dude.
Oh, hey! :)
Hope you enjoy!!
Cool stuff man. Thanks for this. I just beat the base game after about 213 hours and I like to see explanation videos like this. I went with !!! SPOILERS AHEAD !!! Ranni's ending.
Best game of all time.
Great video.
But you forgot to whisper.
Every great lore video maker knows that
😂
Good video with a few original takes. I like it.
Hi, the presentation of information and gameplay in the game is really interesting. I’d love to see more videos from you. Even though I played it on Boosteroid myself, it’s still really fascinating to watch you.
Dave is a classic lore guy. Nice to see him
Good way to support other channels. I like watching peoples interpretations of the story.
The dual entities function exactly like a biblical trinity with The Greater Will always placed as "The Father". It's why we see Miquella and Ranni both seperate their spirit from their bodies.
Excellent video and a lot of work so great job!
I can see a scattering of inaccuracies but for the most part this is not a bad overview.
i'm still at 52:29 but i must say that at this time Godfrey was probably out to hunt Placidusax, since he took one of the five heads of the dragon, and bayle took the other 2
When Miquella says "now the vow will be honoured" means radahn accepted being his consort. He was honouring his part of the vow for a reason, then we see radahn´s nickname is "promised consort", another reason to say he accepted because if miquella fulfilled his part he would promise him to be his consort
38:16 Radagon is Merica…Finkle is Einhorn…😂
finally a complete explaination of the Elden lore.
The only way this would be better is if it was narrated by a certain Keeper of Firearms and Artillery...
So happy to know that I had right to not understand the plot at all.
Also, the crisscross pattern behind the statues of radagon are a part of the elden ring, looking at the cover art the same crisscross is there. I think that radagon lived inside marika until she was able to get the elden ring and then she used a part of it to grant radagon a body by proxy.
Oh my god. Maybe they were known as the “Shadowlands,” not because they’re in some showdy nether-dimension, but rather; because they were in the physical shadow of the Altus plateau which we know is geographically so much higher than the surrounding continent!
How is Ranni an Empyrian if Rellana is her mother? Why doesn't the other Empyrians have wolf guardians like Mariqua and Ranni?
Ranni is an empyeren because her father is radagon (who is also the god marika as she is radagons vessel) miquell and melenia killed their shadows and there isnt alot of info for the Gloam eyed queen
Quelaag mentioned !!
Outer gods are fallen angels like the Elden beast is a good angel.
at surface level it seems cruel about the shamans being put in the jars but I think it holds major significance in that it’s a parallel to something being preserved…like the Shamans and their knowledge in some way NEEDED to be preserved. Just a thought
I think the “outer” in Outer Gods actually means “pariah” from the perspective of the Greater Will and its followers.
"...You Are Maidenless." -Malenia
DAVE!
outer gods are OUTER higher multiple planes of existence gods much like lovecrafts. i do not think The moon and fell god are outer gods.
I do believe other outer gods are on the same footing as the greater will. the fact that they chose " outer " god for these entities says everything we need to know about these eldritch cosmic nightmares
I'm confused as to why Marika created the Erdtree when there was the Great Tree, presumably created by the GW and containing the elden beast, during the time of the crucible. Additionally, why or how did the 'greater will' bar us from entering the Erdtree if the GW has been silent since Metyr showed up. Did Metyr seal the Erdtree on behalf of the greater will?
Check Erdtree in the main game. It has a phantom golden layer and an ordinary bark/ root layer. Here's your answer.
is it possible to understand everything , like 100% of the game? i really want too but its just so vast. man i love this game
Bro left out vyke
It would be so funny to have Jonathan on the show talking about guns in Nikke, a game about anime girls with guns
Their are not multiple Astell's. There's one. Thats like saying all the Starfall Beasts are the same Starfall Beast. They all arrived on a meteor shower. Probably the same time Metyr landed in the lands between.
1:50:00 -the loathsome Dung Eater!!!
if we keep our part of the vow, sounds to me radahn did promise something.
Messmer the first born? Gotta read Godrick’s Great Rune - the Golden Lineage are the first
Marika finding a seed of the Erdtree and thats how she became a God, that is like of some anime/manga plot kinda I can think of at least 5 anime which some I forgot the title and some are summer time rendering(which is the similarity is uncanny if that what it is)
Attack on Titan? When Ymir Fritz found the spine parasite thingy
Fallen leaves tell a story
Bring back Adam
I think that when marika stepped through the gates she already knew and seduced radagon. Maybe by enticing him with power or even love. But just as how miquellas lord requires a vessel so too did radagon so marika took it upon herself to become his vessel. Miquella could have done this for radahn as well if he hadnt been shedding his own body of the golden impurities
In my case it's just waste of few minutes I just go and watch 7kmaster elden ring story
Radahn was definetly not defeated. At worse it was a draw!
Bayles crime… wanting to go to sleep
how are the nox and numen are the same? the nox are related to the nightfolk
I dont think the hornsent built Enir Elim
Did this timeline recieve authorization from the Elden league of scholars 😅
Miquella 😮💨
Great info, but the awful gameplay is truly painful to watch
the fingerslayer blade, Metyr, and the elden ring I personally think all connect to Marika conspiring with the Nox to take the elden ring from Metyr to become a god.
the original sin was stealing the elden ring, attacking Metyr was also what invoked the ire of the greater will against the Nox.
the three fingers i think are the result of Metyr's own anguish in realizing the Greater Will abandoned her. the three fingers is an incarnation of the madness she has been reduced to.
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Was extremely disappointed to hear Miyazaki say that there really is no set base story.
They have a general outline and then a bunch of stuff sprinkled in as filler and to make the gameplay work.
All these years of theories and looking for environmental storytelling and they don't even have a set story for us to decipher.
We have to "make it up for ourselves" and " that's the beauty of it" which I think is fcking insane.
I'm just extremely disappointed and to find out the story behind ER is not a set thing someone has written down somewhere is upsetting to me.
Where did Michael Zaki say this?
Actually Miyazaki said he has the whole story and what actually happened in his head for all his games but leaves out a lot so you can come up with your own story. That’s why I think it would be so awesome if one day he came out w a book sharing what actually happened in his stories. I’d pay anything.
Ugh
man, can you imagine how good this could have been if your voice wasn't grating?
THE COMPLETE BLACK MYTH WUKONG TIMELINE
lol at GameSpot trying to farm ER lore. We have better sources, thanks. Stick to whatever it is you people do "best".
I spent 7 years making FromSoftware lore content before I joined GameSpot. But you do you, dude.
Really? Because hes pretty spot on with everything he said. Why did you even bother clicking in the video?
He’s already better than most “sources”
I wouldn't trust somebody that posts shi about star wars to talk about elden ring lore, would stay out of this
Dave knows FromSoft games better than you ever will. He has given a lot to the community over 10+ years. Sit down.
@@dedalomusicI also had nothing to do with Star Wars, lol. Sometimes people forget outlets like GS are a collection of people
I wouldn't trust you to operate a shower.
most overrated game
Most overrated human
Let me save your time, the story and the lore are gibberish nonsense, Elden Ring open world and gameplay is top notch. I have 800 hours and can tell you everything where is what, but story? Fromsoft doesn't make stories.
There is nearly no story because we are playing in an aftermath of what happened thousands of years ago. The lore however, is very far from what you claim. It may seem like that if you lack proper understanding.
@@mikeekim8567 Fromsoft games are for funzy gameplay , if I want a good story I read a book.
There isn't any reason to have a conversation with someone dense and I do not care enough to drag this topic just to prove you how incorrect and wrong you are. You are missing out, not me.
@@mikeekim8567 Sure buddy 👍
@@JimBoom92 Sure buddy 😉