StarCraft 2: Premier Tournament GRAND FINALS - Serral vs MaxPax! (Best-of-7)

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  • @michaelbooser2316
    @michaelbooser2316 ปีที่แล้ว +169

    MaxPax's stalk control reminds me of the game with the Google AI. Where the AI just kept pushing low hp/shield stalkers to the back of the conga line. So many of MaxPax's battles look like he's loosing horribly, and then you find out he lost 3 stalkers in 2 min fight!

    • @Daniel-rd6st
      @Daniel-rd6st ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Maybe Max Pax is Alpha Star!

    • @zes7215
      @zes7215 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      wrrr

  • @leonardovicentedacunha5047
    @leonardovicentedacunha5047 ปีที่แล้ว +290

    Serral is so good, maxpax can be serral offrace and playing both sides at same time

    • @Vevvev8
      @Vevvev8 ปีที่แล้ว +53

      I'm imagining him looking across 2 monitors, a mouse in each hand, and his feet pressing keys on 2 keyboards.

    • @abdulcadi6467
      @abdulcadi6467 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      This is what I am thinking while watching the entire game. How can serral play by himself 😅😅😅

    • @robinspanier7017
      @robinspanier7017 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      when serral steps into the bathtub, he doesnt become wet. the water becomes serral.
      serral has countet to infinity, twice.

    • @skipperg4436
      @skipperg4436 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Baneling is good

    • @elricdotah
      @elricdotah ปีที่แล้ว +9

      MaxPax is serrals off race and when he encounters himself he has another good player that jumps in and they switch accounts so games go longer and it isn't so obvious.

  • @craven3190
    @craven3190 ปีที่แล้ว +106

    Hey Lowko, I tried watching other StarCraft two streams, but I can’t they’re just not you. You do a great job. Thank you. I like your style.

    • @mutagg
      @mutagg ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I love the camera movement of Lowko so much. It looks human and he is controlling it, while others use the observers POV. The others camera movement doesn't look linked to what they are commentating. (Other casters)

    • @noodlenate
      @noodlenate ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well said, you guys!

    • @kindlin
      @kindlin ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It took me about a year of Lowko to be able to follow what people like Harstem or Thermy are doing. It's so quick in first person PoV that it is definitely hard to follow, but when you can, it's rewarding in its own way.

    • @direzz7444
      @direzz7444 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thermy harstem and lowko are our triforce of sc casters

    • @pamsp
      @pamsp ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@direzz7444 apparently there is something in the dutch educational system that prepares good casters

  • @ukaszsiebiesiuk9002
    @ukaszsiebiesiuk9002 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    The probe in 3rd game: I am not locked in here with you. YOU ARE LOCKED IN HERE WITH ME

  • @charlesratcliffe6839
    @charlesratcliffe6839 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Serral’s experience really shone through here. Just having so much practice with their level of micro at 25 minutes is such an advantage.

  • @gordoncrutchfield3453
    @gordoncrutchfield3453 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Pure skills seeing Serral play against himself.

  • @MoonlitMongrel
    @MoonlitMongrel ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Serrals ability to fish out those stasis wards is incredible. Fantastic game by MaxPax

  • @djordjeilic5355
    @djordjeilic5355 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    MaxPax is actually very impressive,this series was unironicly very close!

  • @tbxvividos
    @tbxvividos ปีที่แล้ว +5

    29:49 I've never thought about this until now, but I think I've spent more hours watching sc2 matches on TH-cam than I have actually playing the game at this point.
    Sc2 and Tekken are my favorite esports to watch

  • @SaltpeterTaffy
    @SaltpeterTaffy ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It's nice to see that, so many years into the game's lifetime, people are still naming maneuvers after players. We had Maynarding back in the day, and now we have the Erik.

  • @abba9721
    @abba9721 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    i love Lowko saying that the archetype of the " new player who et good result bye cheesing" isn't MaxPax, that put me back in 2021 when every MaxPax game was cheese after cheese. It realy does feel like he is a completly different player now. And yet he's game are still so entertaining

  • @dannes22
    @dannes22 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    The control from Serral in that last game was fantastic!

    • @ava3603
      @ava3603 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      😢 Spoilers on the highlighted comment on mobile, i got unlucky

  • @greg02311
    @greg02311 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It's 2023 and im a new blood to SC2. Love the game and even more your videos !

  • @Daniel-rd6st
    @Daniel-rd6st ปีที่แล้ว +8

    What really still sets Serral apart from other zerg players is his scouting. He just knows all timings so incredibly well that he can make sure that there is always a zergling or overlord at exactly the right time at the right place.

  • @kentekeroth
    @kentekeroth ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Best caster of SC2 by far. Thanks!

    • @LowkoTV
      @LowkoTV  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Hey thanks!

    • @psluxton
      @psluxton 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Double condom protoss 🤣🤣🤣

  • @viktorhillar5145
    @viktorhillar5145 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I never really played Starcraft 2 i tried it sometime and was trash. But startet watching lowkos channel and i really enjoy watching pro games.. i dont understand all but i know how hard the game is so i enjoy 😁

  • @keithm8027
    @keithm8027 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    SC2 is the best esport to watch. Despite not playing for a long time, I still come back to watch.

  • @John-vp1ej
    @John-vp1ej ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Such a great match-up! Love seeing Serral's oppressive swarm tactics! Love your stuff Lowko! - oh and also... the 'finger skateboard' thing wasn't just in the Netherlands, in Australia (where I'm from) they were called 'tech decks', pure 90's nostalgia with you mentioning them hahaha!

  • @williamshula2495
    @williamshula2495 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hi Lowko, Thanks for the videos. They're a great distraction from RL. Your happy, smiling personality comes through loud and clear. Excellent work!

  • @Wright1331
    @Wright1331 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    @Lowko, Can you cast the Scarlet vs Astrea matches from the NA tournament?
    It was a little one side, but just watching the odd builds, great micro, and willingness to just go for it; was great to see in a series.
    (The hatch deny is one of the more innovative things I have seen)

  • @teeheee2
    @teeheee2 ปีที่แล้ว

    It always crazy to scroll down on your vids and see the 2010 in the SC banner. Can't believe many of us have been playing that long. Glad you're still here doing what you do.

  • @Erebus2075
    @Erebus2075 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    1:04:03 have a prism to snatch them back when they get vipered, outmicro the zerg, have a handful of them so you can lose a few if need be, deploy one or two with shield batteries, and to ensure they don't move, if really fast you can snatch drop hotgroup key, sntch drop and colossus if double warp distance from those over extending vipers ^^
    worst case you lose a warp, better than a collos

  • @CubeItself
    @CubeItself ปีที่แล้ว +2

    i want more nursery charms from lowko, specially with a healthy macro game for a zerg; hearing him singing while the zerg casually sends units there and there and everywhere and play with the map control like they're the game and they have control of everything, they look and feel so dominant and like they're playing with their food!

  • @TritonTv69420
    @TritonTv69420 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The finger skateboards were called tech decks. When I was in middle school they were very popular. Also I remember in that library there was a computer that ran off of floppy disks hahaha. Not the small one's either.

  • @michaelbooser2316
    @michaelbooser2316 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    In the US the brand for finger skateboards was TekDek and it was decently popular when I was a kid

  • @DashBlue
    @DashBlue ปีที่แล้ว

    it's sad to hear views have been on a downward trend, I just recently started watching a ton of SC2 again
    love your vids man, thank you for being one of the few remaining casters

  • @yomumma8528
    @yomumma8528 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just got into sc2 a couple of weeks ago after a decade of history with dota 2 and I must say it's a breath of fresh air, also no toxicity in 1v1 sc2. I like watching videos, learning and having fun with the game. So don't worry lowko, a good game will attract players despite it's age.

    • @blazertw9451
      @blazertw9451 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No toxicity?

  • @culchaz
    @culchaz 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As to your comment at around 30:00min: I don´t even play Starcraft 2 (I only finished the campaigns on normal) and i love watching your casts - i learned a lot and i find it quite entertaining!

  • @admiralmurphy1543
    @admiralmurphy1543 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Lowko I figured out why the creep tumor had a 1 on it. _It's an ability stack._
    Each creep tumor can only spawn one more creep tumor, they each have one stack for their creep spreading ability.

    • @Welkor
      @Welkor ปีที่แล้ว

      They've got charges like a vulture's widow mines, except they each come with a single charge

  • @bjarkov12
    @bjarkov12 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Petition to nickname max the danish dynamite

    • @kindlin
      @kindlin ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Or if he's rollin' on someone, the Danish Dynamo. The Dangerous Danish. The Clutch Dutch. Deadly Danish. Danish Destroyer.

  • @hannalindstrand3156
    @hannalindstrand3156 ปีที่แล้ว

    New starcraft fan here, stumbled over a game here on TH-cam and I'm hooked.

  • @cobycreativef1118
    @cobycreativef1118 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I was waiting for a lowko vid to be up before my break, and I was asking myself what was taking so long, the duration answers that question, ty for vid :)

  • @JayParalyzed
    @JayParalyzed 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great series, I’m enjoyed your content for years. Keep it up.

  • @blade2453
    @blade2453 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    As an American viewer, you remake of “all roads lead to Washington” did, in fact, put a smile on my face 😂

  • @MrPianojet
    @MrPianojet ปีที่แล้ว

    @lowkotv so glad we have good quality casters to continue casting games in these later years of sc2

  • @Spartsou
    @Spartsou ปีที่แล้ว +3

    haha! that game 4 was an excellent!, the mind games. I love MaxPax, he's my favorite protoss.
    wasn't MaxPax known as a cheeser with the 'MaxPax build', when he was still relatively unknown?
    Also, when MaxPax *eventually* shows his face in a offline tournament, I expect you to talk about it Lowko!

  • @testtube173
    @testtube173 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    In America we called them fingerboards and the main brand was "Tech Decks". They were only popular for a hot minute in the late 90's and early 2000's.

  • @MasterTim1127
    @MasterTim1127 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    both fantastic players. Love watching them play.

  • @Geada
    @Geada ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Took me a week to watch it all but totally worth it! Thanks Lowko

  • @YellLAG
    @YellLAG ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Days since we last heard the LOWKO intro:1
    The high was still there the day was good and everything was shining but in the distance u could feel a dark omen lurking about

  • @dzuritaa
    @dzuritaa ปีที่แล้ว

    Just what I need now. A long good game os Stracraft from Lowko. Sit back relax and enjoy

  • @nightmares9751
    @nightmares9751 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i started watching star craft 2 e-sport game play in 2022 i play the game since 2016-2017

  • @freshsmilely
    @freshsmilely ปีที่แล้ว +3

    its nice to see how far MaxPax has come from just being a cheeser to playing in the grand finals.

  • @allbriardup6451
    @allbriardup6451 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I appreciate you and I really enjoy your commentary, thank you for your work and for sharing the love of sc2 👊

    • @LowkoTV
      @LowkoTV  ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad you enjoy it!

  • @yasha886
    @yasha886 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Lowkoi hadn't watched you in a few years and I must say you've improved so much, and I love your jokes and humour. Keep it up buddy❤

  • @paulcato3434
    @paulcato3434 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Lowko sounded almost wistful about that zergling being happy to die for the Swarm.

  • @beastslayer0737
    @beastslayer0737 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It would be awesome to see some more brood war casts if that would be something you would be interested in

  • @bt920
    @bt920 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What an amazing series from two of the very best!!!! Thanks lowko

  • @ashleywalls4097
    @ashleywalls4097 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    OK this series doesn't prove $#^%. It's obvious Max is Serral off racing. Serral played both zerg and protoss in this series. Zerg just won cuz he used his right hand for Zerg and left for Toss.

  • @stalwart56k
    @stalwart56k ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Serral's Dad an hour into the match "Have you won yet son?" ^_^

  • @lvluptoaverage52
    @lvluptoaverage52 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This doesn’t prove that Serral is not Max. Serra was probably using his extra hands to play Max

  • @kedasalollitad
    @kedasalollitad ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for the nice long video, i had a long bus ride ahead and this got me through about half of it 😊

  • @robinjones5874
    @robinjones5874 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I was a new player last year. Also probably the oldest at mid 30’s. Started watching Lowko casts, learnt Zerg from Pig, and now I play Toss which I picked up from… the Harstem.

  • @Zoutsteen
    @Zoutsteen ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Game 6, Serral's base dos attack (denial of service, not allowing additional bases to be build.)

  • @sviatoslavkocherov6008
    @sviatoslavkocherov6008 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Serral v Clem also a banger, there's an Erik build, as you wanted

  • @markvon9727
    @markvon9727 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    45:50 he almost said Maxi-Pads -the uncontrollable giggle that followed made me laugh

    • @kindlin
      @kindlin ปีที่แล้ว

      I don't think Lowko knows what Maxi Pads are, or he would have stopped saying that nickname a LONG time ago.
      I actually feel bad for MaxPax that Lowko just has no idea lol...

    • @markvon9727
      @markvon9727 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kindlin Oh, I think he does, because I commented it to him on the last video haha. And he's amazing, so he reads them

  • @HaploBartow
    @HaploBartow ปีที่แล้ว +1

    S-tier drinking challenge: take a drink whenever Lowko says "on the back of this" when he is casting a high-level match of Starcraft II

  • @DarkKash
    @DarkKash ปีที่แล้ว

    Lowko, keep it up!! I'll try and watch more of your casts!!!

  • @Camjee
    @Camjee ปีที่แล้ว

    Just to let you know, I played some SC2 when it launched but never got into it. YT reccomended me some of your videos and I found it fun to watch these pro matches even tho I don't know what half of the units do. So I guess there is atleast 1 new person watching :p

  • @nextro1183
    @nextro1183 ปีที่แล้ว

    youre statement at 30:10 is pretty accurate but for me its the same on star craft im kinda new just came back on this game and i dont understand a thing that is happening in the vod too many things is happening trying too get better tho thank you for the vod revs

  • @tohothewriter8002
    @tohothewriter8002 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    "MaxPax, the Danish Executor" sounds like an appropriate nickname. What you think?

  • @nickingersoll
    @nickingersoll ปีที่แล้ว

    😎Love your videos Lowko! I haven't been getting any of your videos in my feed like I used to - in response to your question around 55:00 - they just now started popping up again this week.

  • @laureloneiros1500
    @laureloneiros1500 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I knew it wouldn't be close, but it feels much more fair than terran. even serral needs to macro and control the army instead of just spamming mules and EMP

  • @cody4977
    @cody4977 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am a new watcher only been here for about 3 months but I usually watch before I fall asleep. You have revived my love of sc2. 😊

  • @-42-47
    @-42-47 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I'm not that bothered by you skipping the first minutes of the matches but I do prefer you not doing it.
    Also seeing the length of the video made me so happy, 1½ hours of Serral vs MaxPax is just awesome! Thanks Lowko!
    Btw, about different E-sports, I've never actually played SC2 (did play some casual Brood War though back when that was new) and it's definitely one of the better E-sports to watch.
    I do however suggest checking out some fighting games, the simple fact that it's just one screen and no camera control makes it so good for watching, It's like the opposite of CS where you need a whole team to manage which point of view to show. But I did play some competitive fighting games so I'm a bit biased.
    Btw2, I can confirm that playing on a stage makes a huge difference in performance, and can take a long time to get used to, but it's also so much fun, and winning a match in front of an audience is like the best feeling ever.
    Btw3, I remember finger skateboards being a thing in Sweden as well

  • @np7975
    @np7975 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My humble suggestion for MaxPax's title: The Great Dane

  • @velocirapper
    @velocirapper ปีที่แล้ว

    I love how much of this video you spent talking about TechDecks

  • @davidholland4713
    @davidholland4713 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Lowko, love your videos and I watch to the end. Just if they're long I watch the last part another day. It's a treat to see either of these players battling it out with your commentary. No idea what a finger skateboard is, but it's okay. Serral once again too good, but MaxPax will improve with more experience of grand finals and I really liked him denying creep and macroing against Serral.

  • @simonscott87
    @simonscott87 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @LowkoTV, don't worry about the viewer count. It's going down because a fantastic summer is approaching and people want to enjoy the sun! Great video, great content, as always! See you in Jönköping perhaps!

  • @luise.suelves8270
    @luise.suelves8270 ปีที่แล้ว

    54:30, here I am still Lowko, what a banger series

  • @FlorianGodefroy
    @FlorianGodefroy ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Playing Serral isn't easy... amazing PvZ :)

  • @Big_Cad
    @Big_Cad ปีที่แล้ว +3

    35:13 I think Zerg is fine, it's just Serral that needs a nerf

  • @LoudWaffle
    @LoudWaffle ปีที่แล้ว

    This video we get to experience three things: a high level Starcraft 2 match between two of the best players ever, Lowko rambling incoherently about finger skateboards compared to dancing while unsure anyone knows what he's talking about, and Lowko putting himself into laughing fits just by saying "second fourth base."

  • @lvluptoaverage52
    @lvluptoaverage52 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I know you probably know this Lowko but the saying all road lead to Rome is from the ancient time. Romans the road makers as they were called made their roads to supply their troops and commerce. So in a sense of you start from the end of a road and continue walking eventually it will take you to Rome.

  • @erwinbogumil207
    @erwinbogumil207 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Actually, Lowko, this series is a clear piece of evidence that Maxpax is Serral playing with his feet.

  • @squidhgf9997
    @squidhgf9997 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Nice, I can actually start the day now lmao

  • @PhoenixCrown
    @PhoenixCrown ปีที่แล้ว

    I totally remember the finger skateboards. They were even a McDonalds Happy Meal toy at one point I think. Serious culture there.

  • @sward0483
    @sward0483 ปีที่แล้ว

    I had a similar issue when i first started playing lan tourneys in counter-strike. Almost exclusively due to the tables being taller then my home setup. So i just altered it by lowering my chair height simulating the taller table. Once i adapted to that i no longer had comfort issues at lan. Lol well outside of also early on having to learn how to play with people watching you over your shoulder or up on a big screen etc

  • @SnyperMK2000JclL
    @SnyperMK2000JclL ปีที่แล้ว

    Lowko... the Finger Skateboards are called Teck-Decks... and YES they are still a thing... and in fact, no joke, there are a handful of locations (in the USA) where Teck-Deck nerds can go and "skate" dozens of miniature versions of real life skate parks... not gonna lie it's actually pretty cool, well at least the mini replica irl parks as some have some damn good detail and are spot on to their irl counterparts...

  • @gamertyper6476
    @gamertyper6476 ปีที่แล้ว

    I live for these 1 hour videos honestly

  • @tchadwick
    @tchadwick 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    First video I've watched on your channel. Fun commentary, man.

  • @MarlotteTR
    @MarlotteTR ปีที่แล้ว

    1:09:25 Man, my childhood!!! I had a finger skateboard at early 2000s, and I'm from Chile... definitively that wasn't just Dutch culture

  • @sharky2606
    @sharky2606 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm a starcraft new comer, were here and were hoping the genre has a resurgence

  • @abrafkalif
    @abrafkalif ปีที่แล้ว

    30:07 that how i started watching your videos. 3 races and a lot of blinki blinki

  • @tzvirubin9708
    @tzvirubin9708 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    this was my 5th match of starcraft i've watched!
    you snagged a newbie :)

  • @ShazbotDesign
    @ShazbotDesign ปีที่แล้ว

    We called them "fingerboards" in SoCal. I could ollie, grind random ways and sometimes a kickflip. That was the extent of my fingerboard abilities.

  • @SirNuwanda
    @SirNuwanda ปีที่แล้ว

    @lowkotv, I've sooooo much fun watching your videos man! I really hope the viewers count increase exponentially!!!

  • @208getalife
    @208getalife 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    32:00 Some folks do push for all roads to lead to DC in America, but honestly the 93 is the biggest most important road in the USA.

  • @sondalo511
    @sondalo511 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really cool to see the Eric being played at this level

  • @N0noy1989
    @N0noy1989 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Since Serral's disappointing IEM run, he went on beast mode and lost only two series since then. This is like when he lost a lot to cheese before IEM 2022, and went beast mode there. Too bad really for his IEM 2023 performance.

    • @aaronbuffalo7769
      @aaronbuffalo7769 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      as far as I know, the only series lost that come to mind were against maxpax himself , including a Bo3 Kungfu cup. Might have been one to clem not sure.

    • @N0noy1989
      @N0noy1989 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@aaronbuffalo7769 Yep, the other one is to Clem at Pig's tournament. I think it might be the finals with 4-3 or something.

  • @pnkysin
    @pnkysin ปีที่แล้ว

    Sending you love from Mexico Lowko, you are doing great

  • @MrBrandomized
    @MrBrandomized ปีที่แล้ว

    i been watching more gaming stuff lately!! and watch yours most days!!

  • @zerieth6620
    @zerieth6620 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    God just watching Serral slow bleeding Mac was just brutal. It must suck to be living through it.

  • @blockboygames5956
    @blockboygames5956 ปีที่แล้ว

    "have you considered not making mistakes?"... best line in the vid.

  • @RhoxCaptain
    @RhoxCaptain ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for the cast @Lowko. Now get a drink water/tea, you earned it.

  • @RyanEades-y9w
    @RyanEades-y9w ปีที่แล้ว

    The little skateboards are in the United States as well. "Tech Deck" was the main brand. I still see them to this day.

  • @Kedish88
    @Kedish88 ปีที่แล้ว

    Im an new player been playing for only 3 months and i love watchin pro matches with good commentary helps me find out what to do in my games even tho im only gold still haha gettin closer to plat tho.

    • @LowkoTV
      @LowkoTV  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Glhf Ian the ladder!

    • @Kedish88
      @Kedish88 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@LowkoTV ty man

  • @0Ciju0
    @0Ciju0 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yessir, been watching SC since 2011

  • @KevinKinyon-k7r
    @KevinKinyon-k7r ปีที่แล้ว

    in amurica we usually refer to finger skateboards as tech decks which was a company that made them- super popular

  • @jamoecw
    @jamoecw ปีที่แล้ว

    the 'all roads lead to Rome' saying is from back when the Roman Republic was a thing. France did the same thing with all roads leading to Paris and it cost them dearly during WW1, resulting in them building a lot of new roads between WW1 and 2. all roads going to one city makes control easy, but if you need to mobilize things from one part of your nation to another having them move through one city slows everything down, and that might be bad for you. the US was never about central control so we never had all roads going to any one city, same with Germany and nearly all other nations that were formed from smaller nations.