Device A: Axe FX Device B: Hotone Ampero Stomp (obviously there are a million different tones in each of these things, so this doesn't really mean anything other than the Ampero can sound decent) Do you prefer Device A or B - I think things could be dialled to sound much closer, this was just a very quick experiment - I was fairly impressed though! Of course, the upside to some of the more expensive modelers is that they not only sound great, but they also have REAL practical gigging layouts/button assignments etc. This is where at the cheaper end of the market I think users are still missing out. 00:48 Device A 1:21 Device B 2:08 Device A 2:56 Device B 3:42 Also Device B 4:35 What are we doing here? 7:20 Hotone Ampero 8:40 Axe FX 3 11:10 How to build Ampero preset
I personally really preferred B, it seemed to have a clearer more open sound, and it sounded a lot less compressed. Option A was more dark, almost muddy sounding, and didn't have very much detail. They of course are both very usable sounds, but when I heard B then went back to A, the difference was apparent and I much prefer B. I have a suspicion that B is the Hotone, and I am very impressed.
John, thanks so much for sharing your work with the Ampero 2 Stomp. Not a lot of useful videos on TH-cam for it, so any others you make would be welcome. I picked one up a few months ago at a discount and have only used it as an amp and cab model for recording, and that's working well. Haven't really taken the time to explore the rest of it, but you're giving me great ideas. Thanks!
I was very surprised to find out that the switch at 8:40 was from the Hotone to the AxeFX. The Hotone sounded more open and expressive to my ears, much more to my taste.
Man.. that was a beautiful sounding preset.. Love that you are digging into the Hotone.. I bought one very early on for running dual amp stereo rigs and was so blown away with how much versatility they crammed into such a small package that I bought another one to live in front of the computer.. For the versatility and the money, I don't think I could point anyone in another direction.. The only drawback it has is that it is limited to 44.1 sampling as I recall... but it still sounds, and feels amazing..
I like how you explain that, you can dial in pretty much the same thing with any modeller. I had a certain budget so I went with the Ampero 2 with that in mind. When I couldn’t afford the HX. HX stomp is reaching around 2 grand plus here in NZ. Freaking ridiculous. Not many channels are showing you much on the Ampero 2 since it’s release and if there is they don’t do any presets with the same principles close to what you do, be it any modeller. Great post! You make any modeller sound good because of your ear and vast experience in this field. You’re way ahead! I don’t go anywhere else. Thank you for the preset. 🙏 I’m really enjoying my Ampero 2. Be good if they did have snapshots feature but I’m happy with its sound.
It's so awesome that you've done multiple videos on the Ampero 2. Hopefully it gains more traction because of this and Hotone get serious about updates because it's capable of being a really brilliant modeller.
@@MOAB-UT Is the V3 going to be an actual thing or is it something you're just anticipating? I'm hoping Hotone can squeeze as much as they can out of the stomp because they've released new firmware for their original Ampero not that long ago. Honestly, if they release a V3 that soon, I'll just wait for a new Line 6 product (HX Stomp 2?) or save up for a quad cortex.
I got tired of chasing tone and I have just bought Two Rock Classic Reverb Signature that I run through the Ox Box, and that's it for me, end of the road. God knows how much money I've spent along the way, amps, modellers, dozens of pedals, over and over again, it's exhausting :). I got one amp, two pedals and that's what I have to live with from now on.
Be it Modelers, Guitars, Amps, or Effects Pedals, etc., I usually can't tell which one is more expensive based on sound in a blind test. I can pick which one I prefer, and here it was Device B because I like warmer, thicker tones in general. I think a lot of gear is overpriced, and I simply want good gear, not expensive gear. Thanks
@@ymelfilm Guitar capo....5 dólars :) Anyway, in that case you buy the most expensive option. 99% of guitarists do not need that tool. In fact, it's nice to be able to change keys without having to use a guitar capo. Studying is always a good investment.
@@NicolasMcLoughlin007 I agree. Normal capo detunes guitars. There are open strings tricks that just dont sound well enough shifting pitch. Anyways, I dont use them either, but plays songs in different keys - or learn them to play if it doesn go straight instantly for me
I’ve been in aviation for 35 years and my ears are not that great anymore so it’s a bit hard to really hear many details like all you youngsters. Word to the wise, SAVE YOUR EARS !! That’s my public announcement. 🤣🤣🤣😩🤘 great video.
I've had tinnitus for 10 years. Your note alone. Its all good though- we are still breathing and not in Ukraine. Gratitude! Pilots rock...unless you were ground crew- but they rock too. I have flown the 172's a bit.
I was really exited when the Axe FX came out! But when I saw the price I just had walk away.. I bought a used Rocktron Prophesy II and got it dialed in for my favorite metal songs. But then I heard the Hotone Ampero II and picked up a deal on ebay and now I'm weaning myself off the Rocktron as I pick up presets on yt and mess around with it. Just bought the expression pedal for it too. It will do everything and more than I need so there you go!
Without watching reveal yet, I much prefer sound B, but both are very good and definitely completely useable. Also definitely share the Ampero presets! Would be awesome.
Thank you for this video! I was in a process of choosing a guitar processor for the last two weeks, and I've listened to your comparison, I liked the device B much more, and I was sure that its Axe, but when I realised in the comments that it is Ampero.. Take my money!!!
i owned the Hotone for a while and just used it much due to lack of content on youtube, and lack of upgrades to date. even though I don't own it anymore, i'm glad you are putting some time with it and putting out the content
I own both. I think they're both fantastic. For the price, the Hotone is the better deal. Axe definitely more powerful and versatile, with ridiculous (unnecessary?) amount of tweakability. Downside of Hotone is no snapshots. Downside of Axe is no footswitch unless you shell out more $$$ on top of the >2K USD you already spent. Hotone extremely portable, just toss it into your gig bag and go, Axe not so much. Great video and agree with your pronunciation of Hotone.
is the ampero 2 noisy? I remember my original ampero was so noisy compared to my NUX , and it had a hum on most amps, even when using high quality humbucker guitars.
Your Ampero II videos are the best that I've heard it sound. Would love it if you made more vids with it. Especially an Eric Johnson type tone.. your play style is really great for that kind of playing. And you're also really good at dialing in the tones..
I'm with you on all this sentiment. Pretty much anything these days can get a really usable tone. I never expect any two tones to sound exactly the same, its just nuances and subtle differences that can usually be resolved. The same with both of these tones. I liked them both, and after a bit of back & forth found I actually preferred B. There was a bit of clarity and somehow more of the "speaker" even though both were using the same IR I think. Again both are really good. It's just a matter of preference isn't it? I picked up an Ampero 2 a couple of months ago. I already had Helix Native, and was debating whether to pick up something in the Helix line, but thought I'd get an Ampero 2 just to have access to "somewhat" different sounds, at least for recording. I've been super happy with the Ampero 2. Along the lines of what you mentioned, yesterday I saw your "Trainwreck" Helix video and dialed in something similar using the "Pool Wrecker" in the Ampero. There are a lot of really great sounds in this thing and the default settings for lots of the "gear" seems to be really good which is helpful. IR loading has really changed the game. I'll bet a PODxt through these modern IR's would sound pretty good. I'll have to dig mine out and give it a go.
@@johnnyboo8243 The price difference is significant so is the feature set. The axefx really is a one stop shop, it is a solved problem for me and guitar I dont need any other guitar gear anymore. The hotone sounds great but probably wouldnt be that so it really depends on your requirements. Sound quality probably shouldn't factor into it but there are no doubt plenty of demos of both. Most of these units these days sound more than good enough. You cab read the details of their feature sets online and you can investigate the ux online too.
Better tone is totally subjective. I started buying a Zoom G3n. Mostly used it for the effects, as I use real amps. Liked most of the amp sims on it when using headphones. So many sounded great with the factory presets that I rarelly had to tweak them. Then I bought a Joyo American Sound. I love it. It sounds and feels great. And you have to really want to make it sound bad for it to sound bad. Works great thru headphones and even works great in front of an amp (maybe it would be even better if you could bypass the internal "cab sim" eq thing). I would say it was on pair with the zoom in the fun department - they sound different, but one doesn't sound particularly better than the other. Then I sold a bunch of stuff and bought an HX stomp. Can't find a single amp on it that inspires me as much as the american sound does - or the zoom did. The amp simulations on the HX just don't sound and feel natural to me. They sound too much like a mic'ed amp, while I feel the Joyo and Zoom felt a little more like a amp in the room. And I thinhk I prefer the delays and reverbs from zoom (or at least the few I used). I could not find a delay and reverb that I really lke in the HX. I'm using an NuX Atlantic for delay and reverb and I like it bettter than any of the stuff I found in the HX. I know there is a lot I can tweak in the HX stomp - but the factory defaults are so uninspiring to me that I don't feel like tweaking. The zoom never felt like it needed tweaking unless I was going for a very specific sound. So I've been using the HX stomp only for modulation and to some utility pedals, like gate and tuner. The Joyo goes in the FX loop with the NuX Atlantic. I think what really differs this modelers are features like snapshots and customisable switches. For that the HX stomp is great - but it can improve. I was hoping I would use the HX stomp as an all-in-one solution - but when I try it alone it feels very uninspiring. The HX stomp doesn't sound bad at all. My point is that "sounds better" is totally subjective. Unless you are having digital clipping, of course.
Wow! Really surprised I liked the device B better (even knowing I shouldn't 'cause as you said there's not necessarily a really big difference in terms of sound between a expensive device and a cheaper one).
B .... if you own an axe fx 3 you can tell by the reverbs mostly ... they’re really great.., but A is pretty good to my ear ... if both also feel good to play then that’s job done ... it’s all good 👍
B es el Hotone Ampero II, sin duda al ser un pedal nuevo la gente lo subestima, pero está súper alejado de la realidad, este pedal sigue en pañales para las actualizaciones que se vienen con fuerza, con el tiempo estoy seguro que se colocará en los puestos más altos
I was in doubt between helix nux velaton and this and decided because of this video for the Hotone. And MEN is this a cool device, the matchless, dumble and marshall800 are my go to amps and sound fantastic. and most of all, it responds like an amp, love it
John very random question, but if you haven't would love to see you check out the Boss Waza Air Wireless and compare that to the different at-home options (low or no volume). Where is that on the scale of the "real tube amp in a room" experience? etc...
Yo Roger! I have both the Hotone Ampero Stomp 2 and the Boss Waza Airs. I've also used a mate's Fender mustang micro. Full disclosure - I'm 100% a bedroom/office player and don't need features like John would for live performances etc. There are other options but I'm a hobbiest and haven't ventured too far in. The Boss Waza Airs are good, but they are not as good as many of the youtubers who claim they are the greatest thing since sliced bread. They sound very good for a wireless solution and probably the best silence practise solution imo. The app sucks, but its not horrible to the point of making me sell these. You only really have 5 amp variations (Flat, Clean, Crunch, Lead, Brown) and the clean is based on a crystal clean roland amp. Also, you can only enable three effects at a time (so you can't really have an OD and modulation at the same time - this is something that hopefully the internet can prove I'm wrong) with the exception of reverb and delay. Everything other than surround for the Gyro's is a complete gimmick imo - it just gets in the way. But, hands down, these are the best solution to sit in the lounge room with a significant other watching TV etc. They seem to get a great tone with little effort - its basically a Katana on your ears if have heard those amps emulation and simulation). Here in Australia they are about $500 The Hotone ampero stomp 2 is incredible for the money. However, the software lets it down (one of the latest kinks I've found is that you can't lower the gain on the Dumble model below 20 without it turning off) and the lack of a community that provides patches etc. (still early though). I've been watching Thommans Hit the Tone series and having good success at replicating those tones. It is my favorite sit at a desk and play guitar when I'm working from home solution. You can also plug the Waza air dongle into the output of this unit and use it wireless). It also sounds awesome through headphones but it has to be a solution where its needs to be put in a room and stay in a room - if that makes sense? The drives/fuzz/distortion isn't great in my opinion so I will keeping my drives on the board but reverb/modulations/delay are totally usable for headphone use. Things to keep in mind, effects where you can clean up based on the guitars pickup volumes don't work great (Fuzzface I'm looking at you). I got my for $800 AUD - but keep in mind you will need to fork out more for decent headphones. The Fender micro is an awesome bit of kit. Does cleans very well for a headphone amp. I just found there was way too many cables and I wasn't a fan of its interface. $120 AUD - but need decent headphones. So, if you need portability between rooms etc. the Waza airs are amazing. But if you need something to dig deeper, record, and have endless parameters to fiddle with - the Hotone Ampero 2 is fantastic for my hobby needs. Fender micro is a great cheap unit. I'm sure the Line 6 stuff is quality and you're buying into a fantastic community and UI - the price was just lost on me as I didn't need any of the features which are required to play live. Also, wild-card - a guy I work with loves his Yamaha THR desktop amp. With most modellers, my opinion and feeling is, that you are getting a fantastic mic'd amp sound - so if you want to sound like the recording, they are brilliant. If you want to sound like a live concert in your bedroom - you can't beat a real tube amp - but for me its a bit like a Ferrari, why buy the car if I'm only going to drive it 20 km per hour? Its so refreshing to see youtubers likes John who give an honest opinion based real world use rather than reading from a datasheet. Hopefully that helps man, and please don't feel like you need to take my opinion on any of this - I've lost days to researching all the above so I know the pain :)
The fact that they are this close, despite the ampero cost being 1/5 of the fractal, and the fact that you can actually fit the ampero in any guitar case or gig bag, makes it an incredible product. That said the ampero sounded better and more amp like IMHO. While in the mix I could go either way, but without the backing track the Ampero sounds better, tje frecuency response being closer to what I expect to hear from a guitar amp. In this comparison, with this particular sound, I think the ampero wins it, regardless of the price point.
We can sum it up like this: nowadays the difference in sound and/or overall quality does not follow PROPORTIONALLY the price differences in equipment. One will pay 2, 3 times more (and above) for that extra 10% of sound/features.
As for this comparison, and the opening A & B thing.. well..I preferred the A, but the B has got a nice tone, when ..just.. above the edge of breakUp. But , you know.. the brain accommodates A LOT , with Audio..so after 1 min or so..as long as the tone is good enough, you get comfort from it. I reckon that ..for Live stuff, one needs a very Solid unit. The tones are a bit secondary, because all brands have good enough tones, for one to enjoy, these days. At home, like you, one often turns to Software, so.. it all comes.down to the system one prefers to use. Hotone have got a great combo package,.between unit and desktop Software. I.just wish they had a Looper that was Save&Load capable. That's the reason I am.looking at getting an MX5, currently. Thanks again.
Not sure. Basically this is showing what would happen if you did roughly the same thing on each device. Pulling up the same type of amp model, the same IR, the same type of delay etc yields these results. I was just expecting there to be potentially a more obvious difference than what we ended up with?
I prefer B - the tone is more glassy to my ears. However, even if B is the Hotone it does not mean that it can't be done with the AXE FX - because of tweakability 😎
At the start of the intro was that a sample and hold effect and which device were you using to make it. Would be a great video to make on it if it's on HX just sounded so 👍. Great video and playing.
Are you still selling Helix presets? I see you still have the PayPal link up but there are also multiple comments indicating you no longer populate the presets and some of the folders are corrupt. I guess this was due to an acct compromise. Please let me know before I make the purchase. Thanks!
Haven't seen results yet, but what i hear is devise B sound's more bright and beautifully, but difference between them definitely not so much as they cost... Awesome! Couple times when i brought my bass pedalboard and then couple pedals for guitar for another band i thought that to have one small versatile device like xs stomp should be great, but now...)
What can I say... I own the original Hotone Ampero (MP-100) and it still kicks the llama's ass... And they just updated it's firmware again (mid-august 2023) even if the device is a few years old, adding some amp models and a few effects as well. How cool is that?
is the ampero 2 noisy? I remember my original ampero was so noisy compared to my NUX , and it had a hum on most amps, even when using high quality humbucker guitars.
People LOVE the simplicity and tones with the Ampero II. Sit down, plug in and pull up patches on a clear, bright, modern touchscreen. This is where Fractal needs to improve. A bit too complex and too many options. Sorry, and bless his soul but I do not have 10+ hours to watch Cooper Carter teach me a master class. The best tech, like phone simply works. It is intuitive. Hotone nailed it and they are on to something big. Now if they will only release the III with more DSP and bring the drums back, I will snatch one up before you can say FMxxx.
Hi John, I’ve just picked one of these up and love the sound of it. However there is a slight gap when switching effects in and out using any of the 3 switches on the unit. Also an even longer gap switching from preset to stomp mode. Both of these things make it unusable for me in a live environment. Have you found similar issues?
Device A sounds good enough to me but a little flat, soft and more distorted compared to device B. I assume Device A is the ampero. On the other hand, Device B sounds very sharp and some kind of magic happens when he plays 3rd, 2nd and 1st strings. It was gorgeous and like Aaron Marshall tone!
It has a looper yep! The only minor issue is that switching to and from the looper kicks you momentarily (like split second) into the patch underneath that footswitch.....
I much preferred the A, I'm not done with the video but I sure hope this is the axeFX ^^ Edit: Ha! I was right! There was a certain clarity present in the B sound that I didn't like, I heard too much of playing noises, A sounded sweeter and more professional to my ears
I would hope that you would be right about your preference. It would have sucked to see someone have a choice of two things and pick the one they didn't like.
Durability, practicality, versatility, tweekability, warranty… I think about these things more than small tonal differences. Line6 won me over with 10+ years of Pod 2.0 use.
How would the Hotone compare with the Line 6 HX Stomp since they're about the same price and size? It's always a pleasure to listen to your music JC, thanks and cheers!
@@johnnathancordy I'd be curious to know. I thought I'd missed it too. :) Based on the middle of the video with the "This is the Ampero", I though it sounds more like B in the intro clip, which I preferred.
B is the Ampero...its more fuzzy I own the Fractal and the Ampero II ..fractal has overall better tone...but the Ampero II sounds very good as well. In fact Ampero being able to run 2 amps and multiple mics and placements are something FM3 can't do
i honestly thought the ampero sounded better. im still going to buy a HX stomp over the ampero, if only because of all of your videos on dialling in sounds on that platform.
there is general agreement among most guitarists and they are saying that HX sounds kind of hard. Ampero sounds more natural and smooth! Nothing against other opinions.
This was interesting to see how many people “preferred” B (the Ampero). I thought A sounded and behaved more like a real amp. That’s what I was listening for. I wonder if what people “prefer” is an idealization of what we want an amp to sound like. I preferred A for certain subtleties that I listen for. But, yeah, the price difference is enormous.
Lovely (Ho)tone. I can’t get on with modellers for some reason. Always sound too harsh and tinny. Got an Atomic Amplifire that I’ve tried to use fairly seriously a couple of times, and given up. Maybe I’m just crap at programming these things, or they just don’t suit my playing style…
The Atomic is supposed to have (still) the most DSP heavy Amp modelling which is interesting. I couldn't get on with the User Interface - I found it quite difficult to use
I spent a good few weeks trying to create some presets, downloaded patches and IRs, chatted with some really helpful people who knew loads more about it than me, and still ended up very frustrated. My band mates hated the harshness of the tones (as did I). I tried a couple of different FRFR cabs too, but seemed to get the best tones going into the main input (not effects return) of my amp, leaving the amp and speaker modelling switched on in the AA12, which flies in the face of received wisdom. I’m back to an analogue pedalboard now. Anyone want an AA12?!! Uk only…
On Device B, the reverb and/or delay was a bit more noticeable, so it sounded a little more lively than Device A, and I preferred B (no idea which modeler it was!). Would it be worthwhile comparing the Hotone Ampero with the Nu-x MG-30? Or is that at such a lower level it's not worth bothering with? (The Nu-x is about $200 less here in the States.)
I was messing around with the 5150 in the NUX the other day and it was a bit of a weird model to be honest - I feel like Hotone might have figured some things out at a slightly higher level
I've had lots of amps in a long career in music.m before retiring. Had to play on a budget. Bought the MG30, figured I'd give it to my son. Nope. It goes into an Origin 50 and a Katana in the band room and I'm having a blast. Maybe my hearing is gone, after50 years of loud music LOL. But I dont think so. I may try a Helix but I am happy just playing with my old band instead of more gear.
Cheers for the Ampero folder. It's a bargain for 3! Are you able to import these into an Amero 2? For me its says incompatible with the device. Judging by the file dates maybe these are all for the original Ampero only? I'm new to the Ampero line so don't have an original one here to test.
@@johnnathancordy Thanks yep I had found them and also got your eMail so thank you! I'm still not able to import them into the Ampero II. I can export and import my own patches so I know I'm at least doing it right. If noone else is having an issue then I'm still doing something wrong but can't figure out what just yet. Maybe the preset files don't like google drive? I'll see if Google Drive corrupts one of my own. I'm on firmware 1.0.5 FWIW, and using the Mac editor software.
FraCTAL needs to update their UI and add a touchscreen and capture and simplify things a bit. Add snapshots. They have strong competition rising. They also have to stop using cheap footswitches from parts bins that break after 3 weeks. I am talking to you FM9.
I first started to get interested in multi effects pedals oddly enough looking for a better looper. Though I feel the ampero stomp 2 is the best sounding out of any of the pedals in it's price range or even higher. It has one of the worst loopers🤦♂️
Device A: Axe FX
Device B: Hotone Ampero Stomp
(obviously there are a million different tones in each of these things, so this doesn't really mean anything other than the Ampero can sound decent)
Do you prefer Device A or B - I think things could be dialled to sound much closer, this was just a very quick experiment - I was fairly impressed though! Of course, the upside to some of the more expensive modelers is that they not only sound great, but they also have REAL practical gigging layouts/button assignments etc. This is where at the cheaper end of the market I think users are still missing out.
00:48 Device A
1:21 Device B
2:08 Device A
2:56 Device B
3:42 Also Device B
4:35 What are we doing here?
7:20 Hotone Ampero
8:40 Axe FX 3
11:10 How to build Ampero preset
B has a harshness to the high end
Exactly in regards to the layout/buttons of Hotone. That’s the downfall.
B is (far) better
I personally really preferred B, it seemed to have a clearer more open sound, and it sounded a lot less compressed. Option A was more dark, almost muddy sounding, and didn't have very much detail. They of course are both very usable sounds, but when I heard B then went back to A, the difference was apparent and I much prefer B. I have a suspicion that B is the Hotone, and I am very impressed.
I can't really hear much difference. Both sound great. So good in fact, that I've just bought an Ampero Stomp based on your results.
John, thanks so much for sharing your work with the Ampero 2 Stomp. Not a lot of useful videos on TH-cam for it, so any others you make would be welcome. I picked one up a few months ago at a discount and have only used it as an amp and cab model for recording, and that's working well. Haven't really taken the time to explore the rest of it, but you're giving me great ideas. Thanks!
I was very surprised to find out that the switch at 8:40 was from the Hotone to the AxeFX. The Hotone sounded more open and expressive to my ears, much more to my taste.
Brother... forget the devices.. you are incredible!!! so musical!! it doesn't matter the device!!
The whole time I was hoping B would be the ampero. And it is. Buying one.
Man.. that was a beautiful sounding preset.. Love that you are digging into the Hotone.. I bought one very early on for running dual amp stereo rigs and was so blown away with how much versatility they crammed into such a small package that I bought another one to live in front of the computer.. For the versatility and the money, I don't think I could point anyone in another direction.. The only drawback it has is that it is limited to 44.1 sampling as I recall... but it still sounds, and feels amazing..
I like how you explain that, you can dial in pretty much the same thing with any modeller. I had a certain budget so I went with the Ampero 2 with that in mind. When I couldn’t afford the HX. HX stomp is reaching around 2 grand plus here in NZ. Freaking ridiculous. Not many channels are showing you much on the Ampero 2 since it’s release and if there is they don’t do any presets with the same principles close to what you do, be it any modeller. Great post! You make any modeller sound good because of your ear and vast experience in this field. You’re way ahead! I don’t go anywhere else. Thank you for the preset. 🙏 I’m really enjoying my Ampero 2. Be good if they did have snapshots feature but I’m happy with its sound.
It's so awesome that you've done multiple videos on the Ampero 2. Hopefully it gains more traction because of this and Hotone get serious about updates because it's capable of being a really brilliant modeller.
Hotone have been good with updates for the original Ampero so I'm sure they'll continue being 'serious' about updates.
@@ukmanthailand The progress seems abit slow tho. It has a lot of potential but they are quite slow in my opinion.
@@fistwood They've released 6 firmware updates in a year. In what way do you consider that to be slow and what are you comparing it to?
Agreed. I think the v.3 edition with more DSP and bring drums back will be a real contender.
@@MOAB-UT Is the V3 going to be an actual thing or is it something you're just anticipating? I'm hoping Hotone can squeeze as much as they can out of the stomp because they've released new firmware for their original Ampero not that long ago.
Honestly, if they release a V3 that soon, I'll just wait for a new Line 6 product (HX Stomp 2?) or save up for a quad cortex.
I got tired of chasing tone and I have just bought Two Rock Classic Reverb Signature that I run through the Ox Box, and that's it for me, end of the road. God knows how much money I've spent along the way, amps, modellers, dozens of pedals, over and over again, it's exhausting :). I got one amp, two pedals and that's what I have to live with from now on.
That's I think a totally fair approach - although...What about when you buy the next Two Rock haha
@@johnnathancordy I won't, I just ordered a third K-Line instead, my 10th guitar, I think.
Be it Modelers, Guitars, Amps, or Effects Pedals, etc., I usually can't tell which one is more expensive based on sound in a blind test. I can pick which one I prefer, and here it was Device B because I like warmer, thicker tones in general. I think a lot of gear is overpriced, and I simply want good gear, not expensive gear. Thanks
then try the pitch shifters, virtual capo and you will instantly know which is more expensive.
@@ymelfilm Who cares about pitch shifters and virtual capo?! :P
@@NicolasMcLoughlin007 one man band guys with guests wanna sing anyrhing in any keys
@@ymelfilm Guitar capo....5 dólars :) Anyway, in that case you buy the most expensive option. 99% of guitarists do not need that tool. In fact, it's nice to be able to change keys without having to use a guitar capo. Studying is always a good investment.
@@NicolasMcLoughlin007 I agree. Normal capo detunes guitars. There are open strings tricks that just dont sound well enough shifting pitch.
Anyways, I dont use them either, but plays songs in different keys - or learn them to play if it doesn go straight instantly for me
I’ve been in aviation for 35 years and my ears are not that great anymore so it’s a bit hard to really hear many details like all you youngsters. Word to the wise, SAVE YOUR EARS !! That’s my public announcement. 🤣🤣🤣😩🤘 great video.
yes tinnitus here. guitar player. truck drivers to have bad LEFT ears- near the mufflers. your not alone.
I've had tinnitus for 10 years. Your note alone. Its all good though- we are still breathing and not in Ukraine. Gratitude! Pilots rock...unless you were ground crew- but they rock too. I have flown the 172's a bit.
I was really exited when the Axe FX came out! But when I saw the price I just had walk away.. I bought a used Rocktron Prophesy II and got it dialed in for my favorite metal songs. But then I heard the Hotone Ampero II and picked up a deal on ebay and now I'm weaning myself off the Rocktron as I pick up presets on yt and mess around with it. Just bought the expression pedal for it too. It will do everything and more than I need so there you go!
I still have my Rocktron Chameleon. Have it tweaked in some sick presets that even blows away some modern units
Without watching reveal yet, I much prefer sound B, but both are very good and definitely completely useable. Also definitely share the Ampero presets! Would be awesome.
same
Thank you for this video! I was in a process of choosing a guitar processor for the last two weeks, and I've listened to your comparison, I liked the device B much more, and I was sure that its Axe, but when I realised in the comments that it is Ampero.. Take my money!!!
Awesome that guitarists have this many great options right now.
What kind magnet on neck pick up?
i owned the Hotone for a while and just used it much due to lack of content on youtube, and lack of upgrades to date. even though I don't own it anymore, i'm glad you are putting some time with it and putting out the content
Why did you sell it? You don't need TH-cam to play guitar. Tone is tone. Why need upgrades if it works? What do you have now? For
More info please
I own both. I think they're both fantastic. For the price, the Hotone is the better deal. Axe definitely more powerful and versatile, with ridiculous (unnecessary?) amount of tweakability. Downside of Hotone is no snapshots. Downside of Axe is no footswitch unless you shell out more $$$ on top of the >2K USD you already spent. Hotone extremely portable, just toss it into your gig bag and go, Axe not so much. Great video and agree with your pronunciation of Hotone.
is the ampero 2 noisy? I remember my original ampero was so noisy compared to my NUX , and it had a hum on most amps, even when using high quality humbucker guitars.
how do you overcome modellers feeling "stiff" at higher volumes when performing live..? dunno if this makes sense
Your Ampero II videos are the best that I've heard it sound. Would love it if you made more vids with it. Especially an Eric Johnson type tone.. your play style is really great for that kind of playing. And you're also really good at dialing in the tones..
I'm with you on all this sentiment. Pretty much anything these days can get a really usable tone. I never expect any two tones to sound exactly the same, its just nuances and subtle differences that can usually be resolved. The same with both of these tones. I liked them both, and after a bit of back & forth found I actually preferred B. There was a bit of clarity and somehow more of the "speaker" even though both were using the same IR I think. Again both are really good. It's just a matter of preference isn't it?
I picked up an Ampero 2 a couple of months ago. I already had Helix Native, and was debating whether to pick up something in the Helix line, but thought I'd get an Ampero 2 just to have access to "somewhat" different sounds, at least for recording. I've been super happy with the Ampero 2.
Along the lines of what you mentioned, yesterday I saw your "Trainwreck" Helix video and dialed in something similar using the "Pool Wrecker" in the Ampero. There are a lot of really great sounds in this thing and the default settings for lots of the "gear" seems to be really good which is helpful.
IR loading has really changed the game. I'll bet a PODxt through these modern IR's would sound pretty good. I'll have to dig mine out and give it a go.
I like B. I think they both sound great but B just sounds like its responding better to your playing
yes which was B...did i miss him saying?
@@johnnyboo8243 No idea sorry. Does it matter they both sound perfectly good/ usable.
@@sacredgeometry Thanks...I am curious though, as i did prefer B. I am going to buy the hotone mini whatever :)
@@johnnyboo8243 The price difference is significant so is the feature set.
The axefx really is a one stop shop, it is a solved problem for me and guitar I dont need any other guitar gear anymore. The hotone sounds great but probably wouldnt be that so it really depends on your requirements. Sound quality probably shouldn't factor into it but there are no doubt plenty of demos of both. Most of these units these days sound more than good enough.
You cab read the details of their feature sets online and you can investigate the ux online too.
Gigging with an ampero one plus analogue drives, not changing it for the foreseeable. Into a two notes cab M it sounds killer.
Better tone is totally subjective.
I started buying a Zoom G3n. Mostly used it for the effects, as I use real amps. Liked most of the amp sims on it when using headphones. So many sounded great with the factory presets that I rarelly had to tweak them.
Then I bought a Joyo American Sound. I love it. It sounds and feels great. And you have to really want to make it sound bad for it to sound bad. Works great thru headphones and even works great in front of an amp (maybe it would be even better if you could bypass the internal "cab sim" eq thing). I would say it was on pair with the zoom in the fun department - they sound different, but one doesn't sound particularly better than the other.
Then I sold a bunch of stuff and bought an HX stomp. Can't find a single amp on it that inspires me as much as the american sound does - or the zoom did. The amp simulations on the HX just don't sound and feel natural to me. They sound too much like a mic'ed amp, while I feel the Joyo and Zoom felt a little more like a amp in the room.
And I thinhk I prefer the delays and reverbs from zoom (or at least the few I used). I could not find a delay and reverb that I really lke in the HX. I'm using an NuX Atlantic for delay and reverb and I like it bettter than any of the stuff I found in the HX.
I know there is a lot I can tweak in the HX stomp - but the factory defaults are so uninspiring to me that I don't feel like tweaking. The zoom never felt like it needed tweaking unless I was going for a very specific sound.
So I've been using the HX stomp only for modulation and to some utility pedals, like gate and tuner. The Joyo goes in the FX loop with the NuX Atlantic.
I think what really differs this modelers are features like snapshots and customisable switches. For that the HX stomp is great - but it can improve.
I was hoping I would use the HX stomp as an all-in-one solution - but when I try it alone it feels very uninspiring.
The HX stomp doesn't sound bad at all. My point is that "sounds better" is totally subjective. Unless you are having digital clipping, of course.
Wow!
Really surprised I liked the device B better (even knowing I shouldn't 'cause as you said there's not necessarily a really big difference in terms of sound between a expensive device and a cheaper one).
Lovely little piece at the beginning there :)
I have a doubt, how to use the volume pedal and the switcher at the same time on ampero 2 ??
B .... if you own an axe fx 3 you can tell by the reverbs mostly ... they’re really great.., but A is pretty good to my ear ... if both also feel good to play then that’s job done ... it’s all good 👍
Actually you got it the other way around. The best sounding was B and I agree. It just happens to be that it was de ampero stomp
B es el Hotone Ampero II, sin duda al ser un pedal nuevo la gente lo subestima, pero está súper alejado de la realidad, este pedal sigue en pañales para las actualizaciones que se vienen con fuerza, con el tiempo estoy seguro que se colocará en los puestos más altos
I prefer the device A tone better, i think A it’s fuller, B sounded a bit harsh… wich one is the device A?
Great playing!🔥🔥🔥🔥
I was in doubt between helix nux velaton and this and decided because of this video for the Hotone. And MEN is this a cool device, the matchless, dumble and marshall800 are my go to amps and sound fantastic. and most of all, it responds like an amp, love it
Do you mean MAN...this is a cool device? It needs more DSP and drums. Version III will be sweet.
John very random question, but if you haven't would love to see you check out the Boss Waza Air Wireless and compare that to the different at-home options (low or no volume). Where is that on the scale of the "real tube amp in a room" experience? etc...
Hey Roger! I can try and get my hands on some!
Yo Roger!
I have both the Hotone Ampero Stomp 2 and the Boss Waza Airs. I've also used a mate's Fender mustang micro. Full disclosure - I'm 100% a bedroom/office player and don't need features like John would for live performances etc. There are other options but I'm a hobbiest and haven't ventured too far in.
The Boss Waza Airs are good, but they are not as good as many of the youtubers who claim they are the greatest thing since sliced bread. They sound very good for a wireless solution and probably the best silence practise solution imo. The app sucks, but its not horrible to the point of making me sell these. You only really have 5 amp variations (Flat, Clean, Crunch, Lead, Brown) and the clean is based on a crystal clean roland amp. Also, you can only enable three effects at a time (so you can't really have an OD and modulation at the same time - this is something that hopefully the internet can prove I'm wrong) with the exception of reverb and delay. Everything other than surround for the Gyro's is a complete gimmick imo - it just gets in the way. But, hands down, these are the best solution to sit in the lounge room with a significant other watching TV etc. They seem to get a great tone with little effort - its basically a Katana on your ears if have heard those amps emulation and simulation). Here in Australia they are about $500
The Hotone ampero stomp 2 is incredible for the money. However, the software lets it down (one of the latest kinks I've found is that you can't lower the gain on the Dumble model below 20 without it turning off) and the lack of a community that provides patches etc. (still early though). I've been watching Thommans Hit the Tone series and having good success at replicating those tones. It is my favorite sit at a desk and play guitar when I'm working from home solution. You can also plug the Waza air dongle into the output of this unit and use it wireless). It also sounds awesome through headphones but it has to be a solution where its needs to be put in a room and stay in a room - if that makes sense? The drives/fuzz/distortion isn't great in my opinion so I will keeping my drives on the board but reverb/modulations/delay are totally usable for headphone use. Things to keep in mind, effects where you can clean up based on the guitars pickup volumes don't work great (Fuzzface I'm looking at you). I got my for $800 AUD - but keep in mind you will need to fork out more for decent headphones.
The Fender micro is an awesome bit of kit. Does cleans very well for a headphone amp. I just found there was way too many cables and I wasn't a fan of its interface. $120 AUD - but need decent headphones.
So, if you need portability between rooms etc. the Waza airs are amazing. But if you need something to dig deeper, record, and have endless parameters to fiddle with - the Hotone Ampero 2 is fantastic for my hobby needs. Fender micro is a great cheap unit. I'm sure the Line 6 stuff is quality and you're buying into a fantastic community and UI - the price was just lost on me as I didn't need any of the features which are required to play live. Also, wild-card - a guy I work with loves his Yamaha THR desktop amp.
With most modellers, my opinion and feeling is, that you are getting a fantastic mic'd amp sound - so if you want to sound like the recording, they are brilliant. If you want to sound like a live concert in your bedroom - you can't beat a real tube amp - but for me its a bit like a Ferrari, why buy the car if I'm only going to drive it 20 km per hour?
Its so refreshing to see youtubers likes John who give an honest opinion based real world use rather than reading from a datasheet.
Hopefully that helps man, and please don't feel like you need to take my opinion on any of this - I've lost days to researching all the above so I know the pain :)
I liked the device B. Device A was left a little treble, it got a slightly more artificial sound.
Man!!! you make awesome compositions! Where can I downloadyour music?
The fact that they are this close, despite the ampero cost being 1/5 of the fractal, and the fact that you can actually fit the ampero in any guitar case or gig bag, makes it an incredible product. That said the ampero sounded better and more amp like IMHO. While in the mix I could go either way, but without the backing track the Ampero sounds better, tje frecuency response being closer to what I expect to hear from a guitar amp. In this comparison, with this particular sound, I think the ampero wins it, regardless of the price point.
It needs more DSP and Drum machines back. Look for this in Version 3.
We can sum it up like this: nowadays the difference in sound and/or overall quality does not follow PROPORTIONALLY the price differences in equipment. One will pay 2, 3 times more (and above) for that extra 10% of sound/features.
totally reality!!!
Sweeeeet playing brother!
As for this comparison, and the opening A & B thing.. well..I preferred the A, but the B has got a nice tone, when ..just.. above the edge of breakUp.
But , you know.. the brain accommodates A LOT , with Audio..so after 1 min or so..as long as the tone is good enough, you get comfort from it. I reckon that ..for Live stuff, one needs a very Solid unit. The tones are a bit secondary, because all brands have good enough tones, for one to enjoy, these days.
At home, like you, one often turns to Software, so.. it all comes.down to the system one prefers to use.
Hotone have got a great combo package,.between unit and desktop Software.
I.just wish they had a Looper that was Save&Load capable.
That's the reason I am.looking at getting an MX5, currently.
Thanks again.
liked the bottom end smoothness on device a, found device b a bit thin. I think device a is ampero after listening to the dialling in section.
Bro...when you turn DEEP on it surely got some nice round bass tones...nice!
Here I was going, I like B so much better so I'm sure it's the Axe. Nope! I think you just sold me on the Ampero
I can easily make an Axe FX 3 sound worse than an Ampero with very little effort, its all in the hands of the user
Not sure. Basically this is showing what would happen if you did roughly the same thing on each device.
Pulling up the same type of amp model, the same IR, the same type of delay etc yields these results. I was just expecting there to be potentially a more obvious difference than what we ended up with?
This thing has tape simulator like the Strymon Deco or the Helix??
It has some tape style delays - I'd have to check - do you mean like ADT style for the Deco?
They sounded basically identical to me. I loved that intro tone you did. How was that done? Something something tremolo?
Hey! That's the Axe FX doing this cool little pitch shifting thing with a sequencer
Wow, what’s the settings for the intro/background chord patch?
I would take the B sound over the A sound.
I thought A sounded nicer- i want to like the cheaper one, still I'm not sure which is which- did you say?
The ampero sounds identical to the axefx to my ears
Compare these both with high gain amps please.
I prefer B - the tone is more glassy to my ears. However, even if B is the Hotone it does not mean that it can't be done with the AXE FX - because of tweakability 😎
New firmware v2.2.0 Tone Catch Available for the Ampero 2 Stomp 🔥
I hear barely any discernible difference. Maybe a slight preference for B, but closing my eyes I’d struggle to say which was which.
Great video, Thank you! Officially the Company's name is pronounced 'Hot One' .
Very nice review.
What brand of blue Strat is that your playing, it sounds amazing
jc...lead...dumb - well done sir, these little bits always crack me up
Which one sounds better Hotone Ampero 2 or Nux HG30?
That run and feel 👏 can i ask the scale you use?
Great Sound!!!!!
Didn’t have the time for the speaking, so I guess B is the AxefxIII (better for me), thanks to give me the answer :)
B is the ampero
At the start of the intro was that a sample and hold effect and which device were you using to make it.
Would be a great video to make on it if it's on HX just sounded so 👍.
Great video and playing.
That's on the Axe - it's an arpeggiating preset using the sequencer, I don't think I'd be able to do it on the Helix...I'll have a look
fkin beautiful tones
Hi, do you have the John Mayer preset for Ampero 2 Stomp? Or sell only the IR?
I preferred B a bit I think?? assume that's the Axe FX. I loved both and forgot I was judging, well played sir :)
Maybe I preferred A...I'm not sure now. Genuinely can say now, I preferred whichever one is cheaper and I know which that is, love mine.
I’ve never even heard of this modeller. I think I might get one until the Neural is available
Big no on Neural for me. Price is nuts and it is half finished.
Are you still selling Helix presets? I see you still have the PayPal link up but there are also multiple comments indicating you no longer populate the presets and some of the folders are corrupt. I guess this was due to an acct compromise. Please let me know before I make the purchase. Thanks!
Haven't seen results yet, but what i hear is devise B sound's more bright and beautifully, but difference between them definitely not so much as they cost... Awesome! Couple times when i brought my bass pedalboard and then couple pedals for guitar for another band i thought that to have one small versatile device like xs stomp should be great, but now...)
What time do you reveal device A and B from intro?
What can I say... I own the original Hotone Ampero (MP-100) and it still kicks the llama's ass... And they just updated it's firmware again (mid-august 2023) even if the device is a few years old, adding some amp models and a few effects as well. How cool is that?
I bought your ampero stomp patches and would like to know if you included this preset in the video? Thanks.
is the ampero 2 noisy? I remember my original ampero was so noisy compared to my NUX , and it had a hum on most amps, even when using high quality humbucker guitars.
People LOVE the simplicity and tones with the Ampero II. Sit down, plug in and pull up patches on a clear, bright, modern touchscreen. This is where Fractal needs to improve. A bit too complex and too many options. Sorry, and bless his soul but I do not have 10+ hours to watch Cooper Carter teach me a master class. The best tech, like phone simply works. It is intuitive. Hotone nailed it and they are on to something big. Now if they will only release the III with more DSP and bring the drums back, I will snatch one up before you can say FMxxx.
Well...you just "sold" the Ampero to me 😆. Looking for a afordable small option and I believe that's it.
Hi John, I’ve just picked one of these up and love the sound of it. However there is a slight gap when switching effects in and out using any of the 3 switches on the unit. Also an even longer gap switching from preset to stomp mode. Both of these things make it unusable for me in a live environment. Have you found similar issues?
th-cam.com/video/SJKXZP4sMvg/w-d-xo.html - yeh I made this video about it - hope they will sort it?
What do you use now?
I preferred B. More natural Strat tone and better distortion with B.l
Device A sounds good enough to me but a little flat, soft and more distorted compared to device B. I assume Device A is the ampero. On the other hand, Device B sounds very sharp and some kind of magic happens when he plays 3rd, 2nd and 1st strings. It was gorgeous and like Aaron Marshall tone!
El B es Ampero, se reveló en los comentarios!
This one looks pretty cool- reasonable price. Has a looper? The STAR of the show is his playing- can make anything sound great.
It has a looper yep! The only minor issue is that switching to and from the looper kicks you momentarily (like split second) into the patch underneath that footswitch.....
@@johnnathancordy Tone is nice though...at least that one patch. I would spend a few hundred more and grab a FM3.
I much preferred the A, I'm not done with the video but I sure hope this is the axeFX ^^
Edit: Ha! I was right! There was a certain clarity present in the B sound that I didn't like, I heard too much of playing noises, A sounded sweeter and more professional to my ears
I would hope that you would be right about your preference. It would have sucked to see someone have a choice of two things and pick the one they didn't like.
I actually think the opposite.
Felt exactly the same. A was richer, smoother and fuller. B had a scratchiness to it I didn't care for as much
Durability, practicality, versatility, tweekability, warranty… I think about these things more than small tonal differences. Line6 won me over with 10+ years of Pod 2.0 use.
So you vote for Ampero? Fractal is an anemic 1 yr. warranty. Switches broke after 3 weeks.
Does it have trails between the three presets within each patch?
I don't think so
@@johnnathancordy ok, thanks for the quick response
How would the Hotone compare with the Line 6 HX Stomp since they're about the same price and size? It's always a pleasure to listen to your music JC, thanks and cheers!
Line 6 better effects sound,just that.
Great tone. Do you plan to upload more Ampero II videos?
Ho-Tone or Hot-One. Oh, and i definitely preferred device B in the mix. Are you doing the reveal later or did i miss it?
I'll do the reveal in the comments here in a bit if people ask enough haah
@@johnnathancordy I'd be curious to know. I thought I'd missed it too. :) Based on the middle of the video with the "This is the Ampero", I though it sounds more like B in the intro clip, which I preferred.
@@johnnathancordy consider this being me asking for the reveal :P
I just enjoyed listening to you play man 👍 Beautiful!! May I ask what guitar you were playing on? Cheers from Australia 👍
B is the Ampero...its more fuzzy
I own the Fractal and the Ampero II ..fractal has overall better tone...but the Ampero II sounds very good as well.
In fact Ampero being able to run 2 amps and multiple mics and placements are something FM3 can't do
I don't know which is which, but I like device B marginally better haha. Something in the mid range sounds "less offensive".
Device B has a nice soft attack and sag to the notes. Don't know which one it is, but I like it more.
It is ampero for the win- b
What about the intro? Is the Ampero able to do that?
Definitely not haha
@@johnnathancordy Why not though? Does it not have the proper pitchshift effect?
Well..if B is not the Fractal, I’m buying the Ampero!
B es el Ampero, ya se reveló
Will your presets work on original Ampero?
i honestly thought the ampero sounded better. im still going to buy a HX stomp over the ampero, if only because of all of your videos on dialling in sounds on that platform.
there is general agreement among most guitarists and they are saying that HX sounds kind of hard. Ampero sounds more natural and smooth! Nothing against other opinions.
Device B for me.
Nice Bronski Beat Cover....
What's Bronski?
@@johnnathancordy the Bronski Beat is a band from the 80's.
That’s what I thought too 😉
This was interesting to see how many people “preferred” B (the Ampero). I thought A sounded and behaved more like a real amp. That’s what I was listening for. I wonder if what people “prefer” is an idealization of what we want an amp to sound like. I preferred A for certain subtleties that I listen for. But, yeah, the price difference is enormous.
Using an EQ in the Ampero could have gotten it even closer (for scientific reasons), even though i actually prefered it's tone in this case.
Lovely (Ho)tone. I can’t get on with modellers for some reason. Always sound too harsh and tinny. Got an Atomic Amplifire that I’ve tried to use fairly seriously a couple of times, and given up. Maybe I’m just crap at programming these things, or they just don’t suit my playing style…
The Atomic is supposed to have (still) the most DSP heavy Amp modelling which is interesting. I couldn't get on with the User Interface - I found it quite difficult to use
I spent a good few weeks trying to create some presets, downloaded patches and IRs, chatted with some really helpful people who knew loads more about it than me, and still ended up very frustrated. My band mates hated the harshness of the tones (as did I). I tried a couple of different FRFR cabs too, but seemed to get the best tones going into the main input (not effects return) of my amp, leaving the amp and speaker modelling switched on in the AA12, which flies in the face of received wisdom.
I’m back to an analogue pedalboard now. Anyone want an AA12?!! Uk only…
On Device B, the reverb and/or delay was a bit more noticeable, so it sounded a little more lively than Device A, and I preferred B (no idea which modeler it was!). Would it be worthwhile comparing the Hotone Ampero with the Nu-x MG-30? Or is that at such a lower level it's not worth bothering with? (The Nu-x is about $200 less here in the States.)
I was messing around with the 5150 in the NUX the other day and it was a bit of a weird model to be honest - I feel like Hotone might have figured some things out at a slightly higher level
I've had lots of amps in a long career in music.m before retiring. Had to play on a budget. Bought the MG30, figured I'd give it to my son. Nope. It goes into an Origin 50 and a Katana in the band room and I'm having a blast. Maybe my hearing is gone, after50 years of loud music LOL. But I dont think so. I may try a Helix but I am happy just playing with my old band instead of more gear.
Cheers for the Ampero folder. It's a bargain for 3! Are you able to import these into an Amero 2? For me its says incompatible with the device. Judging by the file dates maybe these are all for the original Ampero only? I'm new to the Ampero line so don't have an original one here to test.
David, there's a folder in there called "Ampero Stomp" - that's where you'll find the Stomp presets!
@@johnnathancordy Thanks yep I had found them and also got your eMail so thank you! I'm still not able to import them into the Ampero II. I can export and import my own patches so I know I'm at least doing it right. If noone else is having an issue then I'm still doing something wrong but can't figure out what just yet. Maybe the preset files don't like google drive? I'll see if Google Drive corrupts one of my own. I'm on firmware 1.0.5 FWIW, and using the Mac editor software.
I put one of my own presets on google drive, downloaded it, and it imported fine, so still not sure. These are Ampero II "prst" files?
BTW I don't expect full tech support for 3£. :) So no worries.
Operator error! There is a folder called "Ampero Stomp" which I failed to open. Problem solved - cheers John!
I thought B is axe fx but it's ampero 💜
FraCTAL needs to update their UI and add a touchscreen and capture and simplify things a bit. Add snapshots. They have strong competition rising. They also have to stop using cheap footswitches from parts bins that break after 3 weeks. I am talking to you FM9.
Device A sounds a bit harsh, but *Device B sounds just right. is Devie B is Axe FX 3?*
Es Hotone Ampero II
I first started to get interested in multi effects pedals oddly enough looking for a better looper. Though I feel the ampero stomp 2 is the best sounding out of any of the pedals in it's price range or even higher. It has one of the worst loopers🤦♂️