@@Superiorsolarconsulting seriously I have watched your other videos and I don't think I commented on how good they were and how much they helped me understand the residential solar stuff! double thx!
In regards to warranties. The panels, microinverters, transfer switches, batteries, etc., are warrantied by the manufacturers. If one of those units fail, you still have the warrantee of the equipment regardless of who installs it if it passed the local municipality's inspection, right? So if you have a solar company who has done the install, and something fails, you will still have to pay that company the labor to replace it, unless you have a parts and labor warrantee, which would certainly be a lot more expensive.
He installs solar and never heard of EG4 which is a product sold by Signature Solar. I question the installers professionalism. Ecoflo is a portable power box with expandable batteries. Get the EX6000 with a stack of EG4s and SanTan solar for panels. I hope your subs read this.
The EG4 and ecoflow are the equivalents of a normal screwdriver and a professional grade solar system is like a power drill. You can look at both tools on the surface level without the knowledge to differentiate and think you are looking at the same thing for cheaper. But you’re not. The EG4 can’t even go outside
6 or 7 grand extra for a professional more? I received a reputable quote for a 12k system with no batteries for 90k. Signature solar is giving me a 21k system with 60kwh batteries for 34k. Hmmm…
Well there is almost no regulation and there’s certain people quoting outrageous numbers. That’s a huge system you are being quoted. Have you actually gotten it installed? A competent installer that actually understands this business would never even begin installing that for less than $20,000
@@Superiorsolarconsulting you say a competent installer would never install that system for less than 20,000 a couple days work even with a full crew. And you don’t think that’s a little excessive?
interesting talk been trough all this in IT over 30 years, but you need to keep an eye on technologies even if it seems like it DIY tech, I have seen companies get left behind because they ignored new and better tech like linux or the cloud an companies that based them selves on a big company like cisco which ended up with the worst reliability / security record also I have seen a lot of solar and general electricians installing insecure apps/hardware on peoples networks because of the old "what you don't know you don't know... "
Contractors I work with say they can’t rely on an online store when they need robust, in person supply warehouse with entire professional staff who can speak the language and get materials to homes within an hour if needed. It can be devastating to a business to show up to an installation and not have all of the correct materials. You would be surprised at how big of a deal this actually is and how much money can be lost due to scheduling issues with supply chains and materials, not making it either on time or correctly.
3 minutes in he discussed how people install they part and the company is gone. I've been using eg4 and ecoflow for a very long time. 14 house on my street have professional solar systems not 1 company is still in business all 10 companies are gone. Us and the people next door went with the same company. Totally get your point but ecoflow and eg4 are actually pretty good and have great warranty ehr eg4 is like 10 years and you can go through eg4 or Signature solor both honer the warranty. And you can also sell your old system back to go to paying off some of the new system.
Those step ladders hanging on the wall look like they’ve seen a lot of sun given how discolored the fiberglass is. Are they still in use or are they just wall ornaments. I am hoping the latter.
lol good question. I haven’t seen them in use for a while. The trucks are fully loaded with all the ladders before going out which they already were for the day
Appreciate that. We aren’t protecting anything. 99% of people would never consider a diy install. This video is to open the eyes of many who underestimate the difficulty or don’t understand the cost of a professional install vs pricing out a kit online. This is a niche video not even for the masses
Last year, I had a 4.6 kw Grid Connect SunPower System installed (11 panels w/micro inverters). Awesome System! One year later, I am having 5 additional panels installed to support an EV. But SilFab panels this time that will be DC Coupled to SolArk Inverters and batteries. I discussed with a professional solar company the brand of battery I want, which is 30 kwh EG4 LL Rack Battery. The solar company didn't didn't have a problem with my choice of battery. They have a distributor to get them. So, they are making their money on it. I think the argument here is cost vs. quality. It seems the definition of quality is the real elephant in the room. There are outstanding products out there like EG4 that are very popular in the DIY space that helps add competition to the solar market. I believe EG4 is here to stay. I have seen thousands of TH-cam videos demonstrating that. As an educated customer of solar and batteries, if I can buy a 30 kwh LiFePo deep cycle battery, that will probably last 15 to 20 years or more and is extremely reliable for $9,000 then why would I buy a battery costing $20,000 for a 20 kwh Name Brand? I can buy two SolArk inverters and a 30 kwh battery for the same price as just the name brand battery. That doesn't make any sense at all. I enjoy seeing more competition in the market. It is better for the customer.
Dude hadn’t even heard of Signature Solar. Also plugging his favorite expensive systems that he knows. What? Enphase was beta at one point and still is. If you’re doing a small roof array with a grid connection then maybe it makes sense. If you’re going to supplant your power company then do a fair amount of research and get it done DIY with an electrician. Save $$
This video isn’t about plugging any one brand. We aren’t paid by manufacturers. This video is more of a summary of why, from the contractors POV, you aren’t seeing tons of contractors hop on board and want to install DIY kits. You may see that signature solar has a customer service number. That may be the equivalent of a normal screw driver when the kind of support and robust service a properly large manufacturer and supplier together offers is like a real power drill. A contractor can’t do his work with a screwdriver. I made that analogy in the moment. Hope it sticks.
DIY requires a lot of investigation but it can save you a lot of money. If you don’t have the time to learn about the process go with a reputable contractor who backs up their equipment and labor. DO NOT SIGN A CONTRACT!!! Own the equipment and the tax credits…
@@Superiorsolarconsultingthere are different ways to DIY, you can be a hands-on DIY, or you can get knowledge and sub contract out for the things you don’t understand such as electrical. Is not the same thing that you’re doing? You may have a lot more experience than everyone else, but you have to start somewhere, I would much rather subcontract out and with the extra help put my kids to college then yours.
Will prowse sells solar kits and gets commissions off his sales. He’s in the business of selling you on how easy something that’s not easy is. There’s a reason electrical work requires a electrical license
There are almost no electricians that will install DIY kits. The reason why is because if this contractor was competent, it would be too much of an opportunity cost to put aside a properly done professional install to come help a DIY’er with their own. And if you’re hiring a lower level electrician that isn’t necessarily sacrificing with an opportunity cost for bigger business elsewhere, is that the guy who you want installing on your home? It’s really just about how risk adverse you are, and if you truly believe the company, warranties, and human beings are going to be around and if you aren’t confident that you can fix a problem yourself which 99+ percent of the population never think that they would be able to.
It’s true I am not a complete expert on these two companies. What I can tell you is I’ve been in the space for almost 8 years and have spent the majority of everyday thinking and learning about what is out there. I have not ever even once seen a professional installer quote either an EG4 or EcoFlow system. Whenever I ask the suppliers, they laugh.
Sol-ark was the standard for hybrid all in ones installed by professionals because of what it could do. I held off because of cost and technical problems people were having. When eg4 came out with its more affordable competition without the bugs, I went with them. Mine works flawlessly so far. Time will tell regarding longevity. I personally feel that new technology is making diy the future of solar and I wouldn’t be surprised if these guys sense the same thing and are rather desperately attempting to hang on to an old paradigm, rather than adapting to the new that may render them irrelevant. Time will tell.
Thx Julian I really appreciate your financial break downs on residential solar!!
Thank you!
@@Superiorsolarconsulting seriously I have watched your other videos and I don't think I commented on how good they were and how much they helped me understand the residential solar stuff! double thx!
In regards to warranties. The panels, microinverters, transfer switches, batteries, etc., are warrantied by the manufacturers. If one of those units fail, you still have the warrantee of the equipment regardless of who installs it if it passed the local municipality's inspection, right? So if you have a solar company who has done the install, and something fails, you will still have to pay that company the labor to replace it, unless you have a parts and labor warrantee, which would certainly be a lot more expensive.
He installs solar and never heard of EG4 which is a product sold by Signature Solar. I question the installers professionalism. Ecoflo is a portable power box with expandable batteries.
Get the EX6000 with a stack of EG4s and SanTan solar for panels. I hope your subs read this.
The EG4 and ecoflow are the equivalents of a normal screwdriver and a professional grade solar system is like a power drill. You can look at both tools on the surface level without the knowledge to differentiate and think you are looking at the same thing for cheaper. But you’re not. The EG4 can’t even go outside
@@Superiorsolarconsulting EG4 makes waterproof wall mounted batteries
6 or 7 grand extra for a professional more? I received a reputable quote for a 12k system with no batteries for 90k. Signature solar is giving me a 21k system with 60kwh batteries for 34k. Hmmm…
It’s all China, so…
Well there is almost no regulation and there’s certain people quoting outrageous numbers. That’s a huge system you are being quoted. Have you actually gotten it installed? A competent installer that actually understands this business would never even begin installing that for less than $20,000
90k? Not even sunpower systems are that expensive. What are they even installing? gold panels?
@@Superiorsolarconsulting you say a competent installer would never install that system for less than 20,000 a couple days work even with a full crew. And you don’t think that’s a little excessive?
Hey I live in north Georgia. Always wanted Solar, but I’m 63 Years Old, and Thanks for the info, I don’t Think I’ll be Getting Solar !! 🙏✌️
interesting talk been trough all this in IT over 30 years, but you need to keep an eye on technologies even if it seems like it DIY tech, I have seen companies get left behind because they ignored new and better tech like linux or the cloud
an companies that based them selves on a big company like cisco which ended up with the worst reliability / security record
also I have seen a lot of solar and general electricians installing insecure apps/hardware on peoples networks because of the old "what you don't know you don't know... "
Tesla and Enphase are by far the most advanced systems
Are you one of those who left Cisco because of security issues and then bought Huawei equipment? 😂
Have you looked at Signature Solar’s books? Are they viable? I sure see they’re aggressive and seem to be capturing a large market…
Contractors I work with say they can’t rely on an online store when they need robust, in person supply warehouse with entire professional staff who can speak the language and get materials to homes within an hour if needed. It can be devastating to a business to show up to an installation and not have all of the correct materials. You would be surprised at how big of a deal this actually is and how much money can be lost due to scheduling issues with supply chains and materials, not making it either on time or correctly.
3 minutes in he discussed how people install they part and the company is gone. I've been using eg4 and ecoflow for a very long time. 14 house on my street have professional solar systems not 1 company is still in business all 10 companies are gone. Us and the people next door went with the same company. Totally get your point but ecoflow and eg4 are actually pretty good and have great warranty ehr eg4 is like 10 years and you can go through eg4 or Signature solor both honer the warranty. And you can also sell your old system back to go to paying off some of the new system.
These products are not the same quality as the bigger brands. There’s always a way to go cheaper
Those step ladders hanging on the wall look like they’ve seen a lot of sun given how discolored the fiberglass is. Are they still in use or are they just wall ornaments. I am hoping the latter.
lol good question. I haven’t seen them in use for a while. The trucks are fully loaded with all the ladders before going out which they already were for the day
I like these guys but it feels like they’re desperately protecting their corner on the market. Although in California it may make more sense?
Appreciate that. We aren’t protecting anything. 99% of people would never consider a diy install. This video is to open the eyes of many who underestimate the difficulty or don’t understand the cost of a professional install vs pricing out a kit online. This is a niche video not even for the masses
Last year, I had a 4.6 kw Grid Connect SunPower System installed (11 panels w/micro inverters). Awesome System!
One year later, I am having 5 additional panels installed to support an EV. But SilFab panels this time that will be DC Coupled to SolArk Inverters and batteries. I discussed with a professional solar company the brand of battery I want, which is 30 kwh EG4 LL Rack Battery. The solar company didn't didn't have a problem with my choice of battery. They have a distributor to get them. So, they are making their money on it.
I think the argument here is cost vs. quality. It seems the definition of quality is the real elephant in the room. There are outstanding products out there like EG4 that are very popular in the DIY space that helps add competition to the solar market. I believe EG4 is here to stay. I have seen thousands of TH-cam videos demonstrating that. As an educated customer of solar and batteries, if I can buy a 30 kwh LiFePo deep cycle battery, that will probably last 15 to 20 years or more and is extremely reliable for $9,000 then why would I buy a battery costing $20,000 for a 20 kwh Name Brand? I can buy two SolArk inverters and a 30 kwh battery for the same price as just the name brand battery. That doesn't make any sense at all. I enjoy seeing more competition in the market. It is better for the customer.
Dude hadn’t even heard of Signature Solar. Also plugging his favorite expensive systems that he knows. What? Enphase was beta at one point and still is.
If you’re doing a small roof array with a grid connection then maybe it makes sense. If you’re going to supplant your power company then do a fair amount of research and get it done DIY with an electrician. Save $$
This video isn’t about plugging any one brand. We aren’t paid by manufacturers. This video is more of a summary of why, from the contractors POV, you aren’t seeing tons of contractors hop on board and want to install DIY kits.
You may see that signature solar has a customer service number. That may be the equivalent of a normal screw driver when the kind of support and robust service a properly large manufacturer and supplier together offers is like a real power drill. A contractor can’t do his work with a screwdriver. I made that analogy in the moment. Hope it sticks.
My neighbor’s system cost over $75K with zero battery backup. Ludicrous…
Must be a huge system!
@@Superiorsolarconsulting 21KW system ... I feel like he got robbed
Something about this video doesn't sit right with me
Your time is worth something. If you aren't accounting for the cost of your time spent on your DIY project, you are spending more than you think.
Yes real working professionals understand this.
DIY requires a lot of investigation but it can save you a lot of money. If you don’t have the time to learn about the process go with a reputable contractor who backs up their equipment and labor.
DO NOT SIGN A CONTRACT!!! Own the equipment and the tax credits…
DIY is only for somebody who’s experienced with electrical already. If not it’s a waste of time and is dangerous
you can sign a contract while owning the equipment and the tax credits
@@Superiorsolarconsultingthere are different ways to DIY, you can be a hands-on DIY, or you can get knowledge and sub contract out for the things you don’t understand such as electrical. Is not the same thing that you’re doing? You may have a lot more experience than everyone else, but you have to start somewhere, I would much rather subcontract out and with the extra help put my kids to college then yours.
Will Prowse is far more qualified than either one of you. I'm a DIYer who learned more from Will Prowse than you'll ever know. Oh BS.
Will prowse sells solar kits and gets commissions off his sales. He’s in the business of selling you on how easy something that’s not easy is. There’s a reason electrical work requires a electrical license
30% tax credit.
Hire an electrician for 3k and you’ll save thousands.
There are almost no electricians that will install DIY kits. The reason why is because if this contractor was competent, it would be too much of an opportunity cost to put aside a properly done professional install to come help a DIY’er with their own. And if you’re hiring a lower level electrician that isn’t necessarily sacrificing with an opportunity cost for bigger business elsewhere, is that the guy who you want installing on your home? It’s really just about how risk adverse you are, and if you truly believe the company, warranties, and human beings are going to be around and if you aren’t confident that you can fix a problem yourself which 99+ percent of the population never think that they would be able to.
Imagine having a podcast and talking shit with zero research.
It’s true I am not a complete expert on these two companies. What I can tell you is I’ve been in the space for almost 8 years and have spent the majority of everyday thinking and learning about what is out there. I have not ever even once seen a professional installer quote either an EG4 or EcoFlow system. Whenever I ask the suppliers, they laugh.
you should watch his other videos he breaks the costs and stuff down into details.
Sol-ark was the standard for hybrid all in ones installed by professionals because of what it could do. I held off because of cost and technical problems people were having. When eg4 came out with its more affordable competition without the bugs, I went with them. Mine works flawlessly so far. Time will tell regarding longevity. I personally feel that new technology is making diy the future of solar and I wouldn’t be surprised if these guys sense the same thing and are rather desperately attempting to hang on to an old paradigm, rather than adapting to the new that may render them irrelevant. Time will tell.