This is a good start, but it misses the two reasons most DJs wanted flexible beatgrids: inconsistent bpms and transition tracks. There are VERY few situations where the current implementation is useful. I can't really think of any songs where there's an instant transition from one bpm to the next, it's almost always a transition over time. I'm grateful for this added feature, but unfortunately it doesn't address the actual needs.
Game changer for Traktor. Now Traktor is something for Drop Djing and not only for Techno Files. Well done. I am waiting for the update in native access.
Great update. But I agree with you. I play a lot of old funk/disco/80's and the beats are very unstable. As I can tell there is no "easy" way to get Traktor locked and follow the unstable beat. Or is I missing out on something @nativeinstruments
@@JohnGPedersen I'm waiting for the moment when neural networks can be used to quickly and accurately find beats in music, Traktor will arrange those beats, and the tempo will be recalculated relative to the grid thus arranged in the moment. And if you want, you can FIX that tempo by synchronizing it with the master clock. It will be perfect!
This implementation is meh, it can work when there is two different tempos etc, but it doesnt work for live drummers, so mentioning disco in text is not in place. Djay pro actually does it perfectly, AUTOMATICALLY. I really hope it is starting point and will be upgraded a lot.
@@brettwalker8712 yeah ...sometimes. Not if you have for example vinyl rip and it slightly speeds up every kick but just slightly and situations like this. And working not in way that you need spend more time that you would take less time to just warp it. It would take hours to map track like this
So it's tempo 'zones', it's not really what I'd call flexible grids (although Serato seems to have the same thing by the looks). Doesn't cater for a beat grid drift of older (vinyl recorded) tracks which I would hope a 'flexible' grid did, more aimed at specifically track engineerd BPM changes and having to manually set those.
It would be nice to see something like the new standalone Ableton Push. We can buy a standalone and a classic version. Would be a lot expensive to have just stndln and honestly I don't want it.
I bought Pro 4 and I'm really excited about it, but unfortunately I have the feeling that the gridding has gotten worse for some of my songs... So I have a song that starts at 115 BPM, goes up to 150 BPM in the middle and then ends at 115 BPM again. So I have set 3 grid parts. The 150 in the middle and the 115 at the end are taken, but the 115 at the beginning is automatically turned into 115.89 again and again... No matter how I try to set the 115 at the beginning, it always jumps back to 115.89. The only thing I can do is 114.73 or 116.45. But no 115. And so it is with some songs. The middle and the end are recognized well, but the beginning is always wrong in the decimal place. Is there a setting for this or have I overlooked something? Thanks for your help.
Unfortunately, it's the same for me every time! I have a song for which I need a second grid marker and as soon as I set the second one, the first one is no longer correct, but wrong by a few decimal places and can no longer be set correctly. Example: A song that has 121 BPM throughout, but due to the buildup the drop is no longer exactly on the grid. Only one marker - 121 BPM is recognized. The second is placed on the drop - from then on 121 BPM and everything before the drop is suddenly 120.94. What's going on there? This is annoying and was better before!!!
Does creating stems degrade the overall sound quality of a song? I can hear that, for example, vocals don't always sound great when listened to as a stem, but I'm curious if the sound quality when all four stems are activated in the player is the same as the original file?
As Stems are saved in AAC format it depends on source file. If you had a lossless file (WAV, AIFF, FLAC, ALAC) you convert to a lossy format. If you come from AAC or MP3 you have a minimal loss in quality due to reencoding but usually you won‘t hear that.
This is essentially an implementation of Ableton's Warping method, except Ableton will try to set automatic beatgrids. Here we have to do it painstakingly by hand. It's not a 'Dynamic' in its analysis or application like DJay Pro.
I have a problem. at the same bpm, but changing beat grid in another area of the song (withount bpm, just a beat grid point different) at another time of the song....i'm getting a big shit, it's changing the bpm of the song of the other beatgrid points....it's a bug or i don't understand me how to do this without changing the bpm of the other beatgrid point. More precisely, I have a song that at a given moment has a pause and then starts, but on a different beat grid, the bpm remaining the same. When I set the new beatgrid...it breaks the first part. what's wrong with that? I didn't have this problem in traktor pro 3.
Feel free to reach out to our Traktor support team with more details so we can help with troubleshooting your problems. You can contact us through chat over here 👉 bit.ly/n1-trk
I just installed the free demo, and during installation i could choose what drivers for what hardware to install, and the S2mk2 was one of them, so my guess is "yes" :) Just download and install the demo of T4, it installs separately, AND you can choose to import the collection from your old install without breaking it, so you can try everything out without messing up your original install - I'm running T3 and T4 Demo on the same windows install right now and it's working great :)
@@NativeInstruments Such great news and congrats on keeping old hardware supported, unlike «some other» manufacturers ;) Looking forward to what you have in store in terms of new hardware the coming years :) A quick follow up question: The Flexible Beat Grid, does it work with «live» tracks as well? I’m thinking old disco tunes where there is live drumming that fluctuates in tempo ever so slightly over the course of the track? Haven’t hade the time to properly test this in the demo - and if it doesn’t support grid mapping of fluctuating tempo in live recordings, is this planned for the future? I’m guessing this would need to work sort of like the mapping and stretching/tightening you can quantize a song to in Ableton Live?
Is Mac Mini M4 supported? I’ve just got one to replace 2009 iMac and discovered I need to update Traktor Pro 2 and Ableton Live 9.. will do what’s supported first.. help me!
Still need a way to have it actually be a flexible grid beat per beat and not just having regions. For quantized music with different tempo ranges this is fine but doesn't work for live music like funk, disco etc. It's a start, but still kinda meh. Been able to keep tracks synced on pioneer for ages when there's slight drift in tempo due to live playing... I wanna stay on traktor for other functions and I can play open format without beatmixing blends but the grid sometimes being quite far off in live music has been very annoying. This functionality is not what we djs mean by flexible grids. The grid is not flexing, it's going from one position to another. And we have to mark the changes manually. Very lackluster. Disappointing.
I’m curious about the STEM abilities for sure. In the past I’d have to purchase a track specifically made for stem manipulation. Does this traktor 4 change that and allow me to do this with any track I own?
Yes! 🙌 ❤ but you have to analyze every track before going live because it takes a lot of power, I tried for testing purposes on a Mac mini m1 8GB Ram and had a few dropouts in the sound, also it takes a while to process and you have to do it track by track. But if you need to separate an acapella it’s there. I love it! What I love the most is that we get all the features from the subscription, it’s a bit more pricey but i kept my promise to native that I will buy it anyway but I hate subscriptions. I can’t subscribe to thousands of services. I would be fine if they add new features as add ons to buy so that I can decide for myself what I need and what not. Better than subscriptions. ❤
It's cool in theory but you have to go in and set all the tempo changes..... and use the sync feature on top of that?? Ya I'm not using this ever. I prefer the get in, play, have fun, done. This is insane to ask users to go thru songs and select the BPM change locations.
So, after trying demo as owner of Traktor Pro 3 and Traktor Kontrol S8, it’s not looking worth to update at over 70€ asking price, since pattern player is okay I guess, not ground breaking ozone thing is okay and neat but stem separation showing quite buggy at first in S8 controller and I can forget to even use it as quick thing when playing live, takes years to separate stems while playing so have to do that way before playing live, also S8 those mini sliders don’t work right away, have to fiddle them up and down until software registers them to adjust volume of stems, then it seems to work, but then software don’t work if I want exactly load song as track or stems when pressing select button on my S8 aka double clicking or single clicking won’t work that it would load song as stems or track, constantly loads it only as track and I have to always use macbook’s touchpad to select to load as stems or track, no matter if I fiddle in settings try to change it. Also now constantly software keeps crashing when loading stems third time, so that’s out of the window, don’t want to give money for unreliability… Also it horribly and randomly cuts audio like i’m struggling buffer running red while it’s even not, plenty of room in cpu buffer yet still it makes audio pop in and out 😵💫 Aaand then flexible beatgrids… It doesn’t work automatically but I have to manually always do these things…? Also doesn’t do nothing when playing new songs with old songs where tempo isn’t stable, it always starts to go out of tempo, no matter if synced, you still have to keep it manually at right beat like you had to back in the day… so that’s quite useless…
Hey, Traktor Pro 4's stem separation is intended to be used during track preparation. For any issues with our product, you're welcome to get in touch with us here: bit.ly/4b2Iram
@@NativeInstruments After trying it out more, it started to working, so I decided to buy it, also because i’m applauding for going one time price than any kind subscription, so I will always praise it if it’s one time payment. But yeah, that stem separation definetly makes audio cut out/pop out for milliseconds while it’s hammering CPU, which is odd since CPU buffer is around 40-60% when it does it while tracks playing at same time, and you say that stem separation is handled in other thread that shouldn’t affect audio etc, yet it still pops/cuts my audio at start of separation like 2-3 times on my i5 macbook pro. But i’m planning to upgrade to Macbook Pro M3 but I read that it isn’t supported even on Traktor Pro 4? Or does Traktor Pro 4 support M3 macbook pro? Or should I buy used late 2019 16” i9 macbook pro?
I really think there's a massive issue with these developers only engaging with EDM style DJ's. Most DJ's I know play really varied music, with a lot of live instrumentation. I've got an app on my phone that plots BPM's accurately throughout the track. How hard can it be for a piece of DJ software to do the same then plot out the beatgrids? Am I missing something?
@NativeInstruments I'm a vinyl collector. That's my predominant format, so I use Traktor DVS for the 8,000 digital tracks I have. Of these 8,000 tracks, half will be live instrumentation. Of the 4,000 that are not, another half will have irregular beat structures when viewed from a European time structure (see Dilla Time). On the waveform, I can clearly see where the beats are. It's as though Native Instruments have used an extremely formulaic mathematical logic for establishing beatgrids rather than an overtly obvious waveform pattern logic. Even if this was to be done manually, a small bit of machine learning could have been used to pick up on the manual amendments and finish the job. Honestly, I really think NI needs to diversify its engagement with DJs. Every example you use is some formulaic electronic music, rather than the wide variety of world music we hear in clubs and bars. BTW, I love Traktor, but I do think this flexible beatgrid has built up expectations and really failed to deliver. Aside from a tech development, I think it's a marketing failure which has delivered so much negative feedback. People just don't think it has delivered on expectation, and I concur.
Sorry to hear that the flexible beatgrid isn’t quite suited for the type of music you’re playing. We can't promise any feature changes in that direction right now, but we appreciate your feedback.
Not a revolution : Flexible beatgrid not automatic / Stems not live processing : DJAY PRO 5.2 on ARM MAC far far far superior in sound quality / stems /beatgrid thant your TR4. Dispointed by the trial
To be perfectly honest, I'm a bit gutted and feel a bit aggrieved. The way this was pitched, it specifically cited disco and Jazz. As someone who plays every type of music, with loads being live musicians, including Jazz, Latin, African, etc., I thought this feature was all to do with inconsistent BPM's , not distinct BPM changes. Not sure why it is important to map out distinct change like this example? These kind of tracks are rare, and simple to deal with manually. The second I heard the track used in this example, my heart sank! Gutted.
In a bitter twist of fate, the very first track I load into New Flexible Beat-grid Traktor was Henry Lee by Dick Justice, in all its 3/4 glory. Does anybody have a notion of what to do about this, other than wait another 15 years or whatever?
This is useless for unstable tempos. I have tunes where the tempo speeds up or slows down and they're difficult to mix in Traktor. It's fine for tracks that go from half-speed to full speed eg hip hop to d&b tempo, but it's not an all-in-one catch all solution.
@NativeInstruments people talk about automatic flexible beat grid. people are confused , what is NI 's intention on that besides that golden emoji 🤣I need to cry. at least tell you have received the message well maybe with the intention to put it on the roadmap. sorry guys I cannot hold it but I see another emoji instead. cheers peace out
Just upgraded my Traktor Pro - really enthusiastic to FINALLY be playing a lot of my old (recorded) vinyl inside a beat gridded set. So.. VERY DISAPPOINTED !!! this type of 'flexible beatgridding' is not flexible AT ALL - it is just "multiple beatgrids". When you have old tracks with live played drums or old sequencers.. like in tracks slowly moving around half a bpm along the course of a track you need FLEXIBLE beat grids aka 'elastic' // having more than one bpm in a song is not flexible at all - it makes this new 'most requested' feature a total mis - Native, did you actually -read- what people are requesting or did you just read the topic-name?
Hey, we've implemented flexible beatgrid for tracks with varying tempo zones to prioritize accuracy. If your track has beat irregularities, we recommend manually adjusting the grids for the best results.
..okay you have been reading all comments right? We are saying the ‘flexible’ beatgrids as you implemented them are only very very rarely an actual contribution to what we use your sofware for. When we say flexible, we think flexible, not multiple.. But no worries, we had give up on playing (semi) analog tracks on Traktor for years already so nothing is lost.. just a waste of dev hours on your side. We will have to be selective and pick that one vinyl track we think is worth putting it in Ableton and manually adjust the complete track. So nothing changed, you just got our hopes up and let it drop ;)
Experiances after Weeks. Not going. a 125 BPM and a 101 BM not syncing. So not usable. thousands tests. And in the Zone with the lower BPM the Tempo is not going down. I tested it in Djay Pro. Without Problems.
So that's why I wouldn't buy it. sry I would like a track preview for Traktor in the playlist. like in Rekordbox DJ. I often load 5 tracks until I find one that fits well. I mean the "red" tracks and the "blue" tracks. I hope you know what I mean.
It's not a real "flexible grid," but just a way to have 2 different FIXED grids in the same track. Almost no track has such abrupt tempo changes, it's useless. Look more closely at the competition and open your eyes! Like the STEMS, we want STEMS in LIVE !!!
all his years of waiting, since the beta of traktor scratch, for a flex grid like serato... in the end, nothing good... lame... not intuitive, nor ''direct'' a bit like the stems...in short zero
why djpro , or virtual dj, or other more less professional softwares beatgrid perfectly even on swinging or changing tempos, and the "jesus" of djing softwares still has to do it manually?? when traktor is gonna catch up ?? come on guys!! use AI to get traktor back to its standards :)
This is a good start, but it misses the two reasons most DJs wanted flexible beatgrids: inconsistent bpms and transition tracks.
There are VERY few situations where the current implementation is useful. I can't really think of any songs where there's an instant transition from one bpm to the next, it's almost always a transition over time.
I'm grateful for this added feature, but unfortunately it doesn't address the actual needs.
It does address it if you’re prepared to add a million tempo zones
Nice but now I want a demo with an old funk track with inconsistent BPM. I feel like it would take years IF it's even possible
i do it by clicking the grid marker every beat beats to keep in time
@@EalesOnWheels I LOLed so hard :))
Game changer for Traktor. Now Traktor is something for Drop Djing and not only for Techno Files. Well done. I am waiting for the update in native access.
Once you have paid for the upgrade it will appear in Native Access for Download.
That's Great. Thanks!
But What about funk / disco music with permanently unstable BPM?
You can get a demo and try it out with your own tracks: bit.ly/4cJ9qt2 😇
Great update. But I agree with you. I play a lot of old funk/disco/80's and the beats are very unstable. As I can tell there is no "easy" way to get Traktor locked and follow the unstable beat. Or is I missing out on something @nativeinstruments
@@JohnGPedersen I'm waiting for the moment when neural networks can be used to quickly and accurately find beats in music, Traktor will arrange those beats, and the tempo will be recalculated relative to the grid thus arranged in the moment. And if you want, you can FIX that tempo by synchronizing it with the master clock. It will be perfect!
This implementation is meh, it can work when there is two different tempos etc, but it doesnt work for live drummers, so mentioning disco in text is not in place. Djay pro actually does it perfectly, AUTOMATICALLY. I really hope it is starting point and will be upgraded a lot.
it works for live drums, just tested it, you just need loads of beat markers
@@brettwalker8712 yeah ...sometimes. Not if you have for example vinyl rip and it slightly speeds up every kick but just slightly and situations like this. And working not in way that you need spend more time that you would take less time to just warp it. It would take hours to map track like this
@@djPositive definitely does work with vinyl rips, I've been testing with disco rips and I have managed to fix track that drift with success
I was hoping for a 3/4 loop setting.
Great!!!,
Native instruments could also add the resonance parameter for the filter?? , so that we can adjust it to our liking in Traktor !!!
this in the mixer section 🙏🏻, not in the effect 1 & 2 section.
Similar as rekordbox does with its soundcolor fx: Filter
What if the song gradually changes the tempo and not immediatelly as the song in the video?
So it's tempo 'zones', it's not really what I'd call flexible grids (although Serato seems to have the same thing by the looks). Doesn't cater for a beat grid drift of older (vinyl recorded) tracks which I would hope a 'flexible' grid did, more aimed at specifically track engineerd BPM changes and having to manually set those.
I’m getting the feeling you’re gonna come out with a standalone S8 controller soon!!
S8 the best control
I’m still using S8 and I love it and I have waited years for S8 Mk2 😩
It would be nice to see something like the new standalone Ableton Push. We can buy a standalone and a classic version. Would be a lot expensive to have just stndln and honestly I don't want it.
Oh yeah, one small enough to carry in the cabin!
does analyze realizes bpm changes now? so it auto adjusts parts?
Could you please clarify what you mean by that?
@@NativeInstruments Does automatic bpm detection automatically detect tempo changes?
@@DanielAwesomesauce No you have to manually set the cue points to the tempo changes
I bought Pro 4 and I'm really excited about it, but unfortunately I have the feeling that the gridding has gotten worse for some of my songs...
So I have a song that starts at 115 BPM, goes up to 150 BPM in the middle and then ends at 115 BPM again.
So I have set 3 grid parts. The 150 in the middle and the 115 at the end are taken, but the 115 at the beginning is automatically turned into 115.89 again and again... No matter how I try to set the 115 at the beginning, it always jumps back to 115.89. The only thing I can do is 114.73 or 116.45. But no 115.
And so it is with some songs. The middle and the end are recognized well, but the beginning is always wrong in the decimal place.
Is there a setting for this or have I overlooked something?
Thanks for your help.
Hey, we'll need to have a closer look at this. Please contact our support team directly through chat over here 👉 bit.ly/n1-trk
I don’t know if NI got back to you, but just as a check, I’d make sure your grid starts ON the first part of the tune and not before
You not alone. They rolled this out too soon. Gridding is a problem.
Unfortunately, it's the same for me every time!
I have a song for which I need a second grid marker and as soon as I set the second one, the first one is no longer correct, but wrong by a few decimal places and can no longer be set correctly.
Example:
A song that has 121 BPM throughout, but due to the buildup the drop is no longer exactly on the grid. Only one marker - 121 BPM is recognized. The second is placed on the drop - from then on 121 BPM and everything before the drop is suddenly 120.94.
What's going on there? This is annoying and was better before!!!
@@needlenosemusic Thank you, but yes it's always on the first beat and still a problem...
Does creating stems degrade the overall sound quality of a song? I can hear that, for example, vocals don't always sound great when listened to as a stem, but I'm curious if the sound quality when all four stems are activated in the player is the same as the original file?
As Stems are saved in AAC format it depends on source file. If you had a lossless file (WAV, AIFF, FLAC, ALAC) you convert to a lossy format. If you come from AAC or MP3 you have a minimal loss in quality due to reencoding but usually you won‘t hear that.
Any chance we can have more than 8 hot que’s ?
Great but It would be better if it had auto detector
This is essentially an implementation of Ableton's Warping method, except Ableton will try to set automatic beatgrids. Here we have to do it painstakingly by hand. It's not a 'Dynamic' in its analysis or application like DJay Pro.
Time for new hardware
What about a track with a floating BPM not hard shifts , will auto detect pick up on settle BPM changes and grid property?
For the best precision, we recommend manually adjusting the beatgrid.
@@NativeInstruments So keep dropping Grid markers and Nudge them. Wow So you didn't actually fix it then.
I have a problem. at the same bpm, but changing beat grid in another area of the song (withount bpm, just a beat grid point different) at another time of the song....i'm getting a big shit, it's changing the bpm of the song of the other beatgrid points....it's a bug or i don't understand me how to do this without changing the bpm of the other beatgrid point.
More precisely, I have a song that at a given moment has a pause and then starts, but on a different beat grid, the bpm remaining the same. When I set the new beatgrid...it breaks the first part. what's wrong with that? I didn't have this problem in traktor pro 3.
Feel free to reach out to our Traktor support team with more details so we can help with troubleshooting your problems. You can contact us through chat over here 👉 bit.ly/n1-trk
Is T4 compatible with the S2MK2?
Can not find this info on the web page. Thank you!
I just installed the free demo, and during installation i could choose what drivers for what hardware to install, and the S2mk2 was one of them, so my guess is "yes" :) Just download and install the demo of T4, it installs separately, AND you can choose to import the collection from your old install without breaking it, so you can try everything out without messing up your original install - I'm running T3 and T4 Demo on the same windows install right now and it's working great :)
@@AndreSjoberg great info! Thanks a Lot! 👍🏻
Yes, Traktor Pro 4 is compatible with S2 MK2 ✌️
@@NativeInstruments Such great news and congrats on keeping old hardware supported, unlike «some other» manufacturers ;) Looking forward to what you have in store in terms of new hardware the coming years :)
A quick follow up question: The Flexible Beat Grid, does it work with «live» tracks as well? I’m thinking old disco tunes where there is live drumming that fluctuates in tempo ever so slightly over the course of the track? Haven’t hade the time to properly test this in the demo - and if it doesn’t support grid mapping of fluctuating tempo in live recordings, is this planned for the future? I’m guessing this would need to work sort of like the mapping and stretching/tightening you can quantize a song to in Ableton Live?
@@NativeInstrumentswonderful! 👍🏻
Is Mac Mini M4 supported? I’ve just got one to replace 2009 iMac and discovered I need to update Traktor Pro 2 and Ableton Live 9.. will do what’s supported first.. help me!
Traktor Pro 4 is currently not officially compatible with Apple M4. Please see the system requirements on this page here: bit.ly/4bQPKCe
Is there a way to have a transition section? For example section A is 130 BPM, section C is 110 BPM and section B slows from 130 -> 110?
To do this, set your BGMs and once you're locked just use the pitch slider on the master deck to transition from slow to fast or fast to slow 😉
Still need a way to have it actually be a flexible grid beat per beat and not just having regions. For quantized music with different tempo ranges this is fine but doesn't work for live music like funk, disco etc. It's a start, but still kinda meh. Been able to keep tracks synced on pioneer for ages when there's slight drift in tempo due to live playing... I wanna stay on traktor for other functions and I can play open format without beatmixing blends but the grid sometimes being quite far off in live music has been very annoying. This functionality is not what we djs mean by flexible grids. The grid is not flexing, it's going from one position to another. And we have to mark the changes manually. Very lackluster. Disappointing.
you'll have to wait for AI to get better at identifying transients. I understand the frustration but think about what goes into a feature like that
Is it no longer possible to use the “auto beatgrid” on traktor pro 4? I prefer that for my hip hop tracks
You should still be able to use it. If you need any help, feel free to contact our support team through chat over here 👉 bit.ly/n1-trk
I’m curious about the STEM abilities for sure. In the past I’d have to purchase a track specifically made for stem manipulation. Does this traktor 4 change that and allow me to do this with any track I own?
Yes! 🙌 ❤ but you have to analyze every track before going live because it takes a lot of power, I tried for testing purposes on a Mac mini m1 8GB Ram and had a few dropouts in the sound, also it takes a while to process and you have to do it track by track. But if you need to separate an acapella it’s there. I love it! What I love the most is that we get all the features from the subscription, it’s a bit more pricey but i kept my promise to native that I will buy it anyway but I hate subscriptions. I can’t subscribe to thousands of services.
I would be fine if they add new features as add ons to buy so that I can decide for myself what I need and what not. Better than subscriptions. ❤
Endlich
eu queiro fazer baixar o traktor pro 4 ou como posso baixar
Traktor Pro 4 is a paid update and you can get it here: bit.ly/tp4-price
It's cool in theory but you have to go in and set all the tempo changes..... and use the sync feature on top of that?? Ya I'm not using this ever. I prefer the get in, play, have fun, done. This is insane to ask users to go thru songs and select the BPM change locations.
So, after trying demo as owner of Traktor Pro 3 and Traktor Kontrol S8, it’s not looking worth to update at over 70€ asking price, since
pattern player is okay I guess, not ground breaking
ozone thing is okay and neat
but stem separation showing quite buggy at first in S8 controller and I can forget to even use it as quick thing when playing live, takes years to separate stems while playing so have to do that way before playing live, also S8 those mini sliders don’t work right away, have to fiddle them up and down until software registers them to adjust volume of stems, then it seems to work, but then software don’t work if I want exactly load song as track or stems when pressing select button on my S8 aka double clicking or single clicking won’t work that it would load song as stems or track, constantly loads it only as track and I have to always use macbook’s touchpad to select to load as stems or track, no matter if I fiddle in settings try to change it. Also now constantly software keeps crashing when loading stems third time, so that’s out of the window, don’t want to give money for unreliability… Also it horribly and randomly cuts audio like i’m struggling buffer running red while it’s even not, plenty of room in cpu buffer yet still it makes audio pop in and out 😵💫
Aaand then flexible beatgrids… It doesn’t work automatically but I have to manually always do these things…? Also doesn’t do nothing when playing new songs with old songs where tempo isn’t stable, it always starts to go out of tempo, no matter if synced, you still have to keep it manually at right beat like you had to back in the day… so that’s quite useless…
Hey, Traktor Pro 4's stem separation is intended to be used during track preparation. For any issues with our product, you're welcome to get in touch with us here: bit.ly/4b2Iram
@@NativeInstruments After trying it out more, it started to working, so I decided to buy it, also because i’m applauding for going one time price than any kind subscription, so I will always praise it if it’s one time payment.
But yeah, that stem separation definetly makes audio cut out/pop out for milliseconds while it’s hammering CPU, which is odd since CPU buffer is around 40-60% when it does it while tracks playing at same time, and you say that stem separation is handled in other thread that shouldn’t affect audio etc, yet it still pops/cuts my audio at start of separation like 2-3 times on my i5 macbook pro.
But i’m planning to upgrade to Macbook Pro M3 but I read that it isn’t supported even on Traktor Pro 4? Or does Traktor Pro 4 support M3 macbook pro? Or should I buy used late 2019 16” i9 macbook pro?
Glad to hear you've upgraded your Traktor Pro. 🤘 M3 is not officially supported yet unfortunately...
I really think there's a massive issue with these developers only engaging with EDM style DJ's. Most DJ's I know play really varied music, with a lot of live instrumentation. I've got an app on my phone that plots BPM's accurately throughout the track. How hard can it be for a piece of DJ software to do the same then plot out the beatgrids? Am I missing something?
For tracks with beat irregularities, manually adjusting the grids is usually the best way to ensure precision.
@NativeInstruments I'm a vinyl collector. That's my predominant format, so I use Traktor DVS for the 8,000 digital tracks I have. Of these 8,000 tracks, half will be live instrumentation. Of the 4,000 that are not, another half will have irregular beat structures when viewed from a European time structure (see Dilla Time).
On the waveform, I can clearly see where the beats are. It's as though Native Instruments have used an extremely formulaic mathematical logic for establishing beatgrids rather than an overtly obvious waveform pattern logic.
Even if this was to be done manually, a small bit of machine learning could have been used to pick up on the manual amendments and finish the job.
Honestly, I really think NI needs to diversify its engagement with DJs. Every example you use is some formulaic electronic music, rather than the wide variety of world music we hear in clubs and bars.
BTW, I love Traktor, but I do think this flexible beatgrid has built up expectations and really failed to deliver. Aside from a tech development, I think it's a marketing failure which has delivered so much negative feedback. People just don't think it has delivered on expectation, and I concur.
Sorry to hear that the flexible beatgrid isn’t quite suited for the type of music you’re playing. We can't promise any feature changes in that direction right now, but we appreciate your feedback.
It's not flexible beat grids. It's their cheap, non-flexible system that simply checks for multiple BPMs. What a rip-off.
Set grid manually in 2024. Ok.
Not a revolution : Flexible beatgrid not automatic / Stems not live processing : DJAY PRO 5.2 on ARM MAC far far far superior in sound quality / stems /beatgrid thant your TR4. Dispointed by the trial
To be perfectly honest, I'm a bit gutted and feel a bit aggrieved. The way this was pitched, it specifically cited disco and Jazz. As someone who plays every type of music, with loads being live musicians, including Jazz, Latin, African, etc., I thought this feature was all to do with inconsistent BPM's , not distinct BPM changes. Not sure why it is important to map out distinct change like this example? These kind of tracks are rare, and simple to deal with manually.
The second I heard the track used in this example, my heart sank! Gutted.
In a bitter twist of fate, the very first track I load into New Flexible Beat-grid Traktor was Henry Lee by Dick Justice, in all its 3/4 glory. Does anybody have a notion of what to do about this, other than wait another 15 years or whatever?
Hey, can you please get in touch with our support team with more details? bit.ly/4b2Iram
This is useless for unstable tempos. I have tunes where the tempo speeds up or slows down and they're difficult to mix in Traktor. It's fine for tracks that go from half-speed to full speed eg hip hop to d&b tempo, but it's not an all-in-one catch all solution.
For a track without a defined tempo changes, you can manually adjust the beatgrid. ✌️
@NativeInstruments people talk about automatic flexible beat grid. people are confused , what is NI 's intention on that besides that golden emoji 🤣I need to cry. at least tell you have received the message well maybe with the intention to put it on the roadmap. sorry guys I cannot hold it but I see another emoji instead.
cheers
peace out
Just upgraded my Traktor Pro - really enthusiastic to FINALLY be playing a lot of my old (recorded) vinyl inside a beat gridded set. So.. VERY DISAPPOINTED !!! this type of 'flexible beatgridding' is not flexible AT ALL - it is just "multiple beatgrids".
When you have old tracks with live played drums or old sequencers.. like in tracks slowly moving around half a bpm along the course of a track you need FLEXIBLE beat grids aka 'elastic' // having more than one bpm in a song is not flexible at all - it makes this new 'most requested' feature a total mis - Native, did you actually -read- what people are requesting or did you just read the topic-name?
Hey, we've implemented flexible beatgrid for tracks with varying tempo zones to prioritize accuracy. If your track has beat irregularities, we recommend manually adjusting the grids for the best results.
..okay you have been reading all comments right? We are saying the ‘flexible’ beatgrids as you implemented them are only very very rarely an actual contribution to what we use your sofware for. When we say flexible, we think flexible, not multiple.. But no worries, we had give up on playing (semi) analog tracks on Traktor for years already so nothing is lost.. just a waste of dev hours on your side.
We will have to be selective and pick that one vinyl track we think is worth putting it in Ableton and manually adjust the complete track. So nothing changed, you just got our hopes up and let it drop ;)
Experiances after Weeks. Not going. a 125 BPM and a 101 BM not syncing. So not usable. thousands tests. And in the Zone with the lower BPM the Tempo is not going down. I tested it in Djay Pro. Without Problems.
Sorry to hear about this. Have you been in touch with our Traktor support team? bit.ly/n1-trk
So that's why I wouldn't buy it. sry
I would like a track preview for Traktor in the playlist. like in Rekordbox DJ. I often load 5 tracks until I find one that fits well. I mean the "red" tracks and the "blue" tracks. I hope you know what I mean.
we need the best daw from NI
It's not a real "flexible grid," but just a way to have 2 different FIXED grids in the same track. Almost no track has such abrupt tempo changes, it's useless. Look more closely at the competition and open your eyes! Like the STEMS, we want STEMS in LIVE !!!
all his years of waiting, since the beta of traktor scratch, for a flex grid like serato... in the end, nothing good... lame... not intuitive, nor ''direct'' a bit like the stems...in short zero
Yall gave us traktor 4 becore masxhine 3 software update disgracefull. ..
why djpro , or virtual dj, or other more less professional softwares beatgrid perfectly even on swinging or changing tempos, and the "jesus" of djing softwares still has to do it manually??
when traktor is gonna catch up ?? come on guys!! use AI to get traktor back to its standards :)
We recommend manually adjusting the beatgrid for the best precision, but we appreciate your feedback and will take it into consideration!