Sorry a lot of yapping this video but wanted to let y’all know how I felt about the perk/gun since it’s new! Should be uploading video talking about stompees later tonight
Swapping and losing slice is mostly a YOU problem brother- Love your videos and you are an amazing player but you swap weapons compulsively oh and also Sever rounds! haha, great video and info looking forward to checking this one out since I have the best Sacred Provenance already.
Yeah looks like most of the weapons with this perk are locked in to special ammo roles, but keep an eye out for Lethal Abundance (360 Strand AR) when Iron Banner comes back around... it can roll Slice + Target Lock. The new trials Trace Rifle can get that roll as well, could be gnarly on swap builds.
Is it? I felt like the fragment to get it on a melee kill was more than enough. Threaded Spike for Hunters for example can get kills even in GMs as well as the Grapple melee. I just wish it was up longer. Feels awkward to use as an anti barrier option because of it.
@@ROFLWAFFLELAWL4 exactly, relying on a melee kill prior to stunning a barrier is not certain enough for me to run it, whereas on solar melee hits alone grant radiant
The Iron Banner Auto rolls Slice and Collective Action. If you throw a glacier on behemoth and shatter it with your barricade, you do the following: Activate Slice Activate and extend collective action Collect enough shards to guarantee an elemental charge proc, granting strand surge x2. This all combines to give you 10-15 seconds of 5 tap potential, while being able to sever on hit as well, and all the abilities feed back into each other too. This season specifically, shattering a large amount of crystals near someone can just outright kill them because of the artifact mods too, so that’s another plus to this. Finally, if you really want to go crazy with this… Cadmus Ridge Lancecap *lies* about the stasis weapon requirement. If you run rally barricade instead (which you should be for maximum slice uptime), you can make diamond lances for landing just 3 headshots while behind your barricade. I was already rocking this build last season with a dynamic sway collective action horror story instead of the IB auto that just dropped and was cooking before the stasis buffs. I can’t wait to get my hands on this buff to the build this season
I think the complete lack of telegraphing is what is gonna make it be very annoying. A dart you can see it coming and it will be usually coming directly from the guy you are dueling, who would be right in front of you stuck in the animation for a bit, but with this perk you might when severed across the map from some random dude at the back of the map with a pulse lol.
I think it takes time to actually apply the slice sever debuff so it used up multiple stacks with in 1 burst when trying to hit a single target. It can normally go for 5 separate targets on the slug. IDK.
zoom still gives you accuracy and recoil benefits just not damage falloff. still clunky in current meta not arguing those benefits aren’t essentially useless at the moment
Zoom also makes tracking harder close range not to mention having less aa close range as well, if you are on controller it doesnt really matter but on mnk zoom is the worst stat in the game so yeah...
I wish there was a primary weapon with switchable zoom (via weapon alt action). Revision Zero can do it, but it's zoomed mode is a sniper and requires playing the perk.
A tip for using it in checkmate a lot would be running a cult exotic with the class ability sect. Each time an ally goes down you get like 20-25% class ability back. Its the closest thing to ability spam in checkmate Ive found.
Combine this with Aeon and Acrobats Dodge. Every time a teammate dies you get class ability energy, dodge proc slice proc radiant, you have your class ability back. Profit.
If you use clones alot something you can do to guarantee your threaded spike hits is to use it on your clone. It will break it and track to the enemy perfectly 99 percent of the time. Great to use around corners
On my placement series, i got a keep away moving target roll of this pulse, also I want to see you do some testing with the stasis classes with the buffs, Im enjoying the changes with stasis titan with the shiver strike slow
This gun has insane stats. With small bore, ricochet, elemental capacitor (void), 2nd perk, and fitted stock, counter balance mod: It has 99 range, 100 stability, and 100 recoil direction
You can apply slice 5x times. You have it on a 4 burst pulse rifle, so that is 4 stacks, and the 2nd player is slice x5. So each time you apply it, the timer is refreshed.
Honestly I love this gun for its model. It's basically a juiced up version of the lyudmilla-D from Destiny 1... And yeah it has cracked stats and perks to boot.
I love threaded needle in those situations where your target just barely makes it to cover and then a fresh enemy teammate pops out to finish you off. Normally it's an all-too-common letdown but with that melee it's actually a good thing
Zoom does still benefit your aim assist and effective stability. It gives you all the “buffs” it always did still, just not the effective range drop off buff. The tldr is I find it’s still useful on controller exactly for longer range pulses or autos.
"Zoom provides no benefits" I think someone forgot that zoom has several benefits and decoupling range only removed ONE. Now I understand angular recoil/ accuracy/ stability bonuses might seem like nothing, but those ARE helping your shot on high zoom weapons. The decouple reduced benefits, but did not remove all of them. Good info on Slice though.
I swear the designers at Bungie sometimes forget that the three classes' "class abilities" have significantly different cooldowns, and that making a weapon or artifact perk that does something powerful "after using a class ability" is basically a buff to Hunters.
Speaking of the Radiant Dodge idea, if you were to use a weapon with Incandescent (I.E. Beloved or double primary) or Knife trick and then Ember of Singeing you could potentially get a sort of super niche rhythm going where you dodge into Radiant and get into some fights then when you don't have the class ability you can scorch someone with an Incendiary Grenade or Incandescent to get it back up quicker.
You know, now that zoom is no longer tied to range, maybe bungie should make zoom a scaler on primary weapons (obviously broken on specials like snipers and linear fusions). I could see that upping the usage of weapons overall that have been forgotten. Who knows, maybe snipers would be okay too, or at least an option to change the reticle or scope or something.
Yo please try phyllotactic spiral with enhanced hip fire grip/headseeker. It lets to play a lot more aggressive with the hip fire while still having great range
I was trying to get this gun, but I only got the Rose. (I've never played Competative) Do I need to get both Rose and the Sniper first before the Pulse, or is it just random? Rose is clean though.
I got my first Iron Legend (weran for iron banner) with this is exact weapon loadout and only now am I finding out wallah made a video on it (Belisarius-D with slice + kill clip, Duality, and The Other Half)
so this perk looks dope i use the navigator to give woven mail and to sever enemies having this in a legendary is so dope here hoping woven mail is a perk in the future but i hate PVP hence why i mainly play PVE content so me having to play PVP is gonna suck
The new Iron Banner 360 auto is gonna be able to get slice and onslaught and I'm gunning for like 5 different rolls of that gun. Legit think Slice is gonna make arc dash titans nuts.
They do, but generally speaking, those benefits are outweighed the difficulty of use when someone comes up on you, increased zoom means less peripheral vision and harder to adjust reticle at close range. You usually want to have whatever zoom is standard for the weapon archetype these days, as that zoom is good for what you use it for without being so high as to hinder you
Really bothers me how this slice perk is so much better for hunters than it is for warlocks and titans, even titans get the shorter cd barricade but watlocks are atuck with our long ass rift cooldown.
I just now got chambered compensater / light mag / slice / kill clip / range master work w 92 range total! about this roll. Will try tomorrow. Had to log off. But I love Kill clip on any weapon.
Sorry a lot of yapping this video but wanted to let y’all know how I felt about the perk/gun since it’s new! Should be uploading video talking about stompees later tonight
Your more thoughtful analysis does as much and sometimes more for me than the extra game play. Many thanks!
7:44 rip Nicho lol, you 1v1d him remember
Swapping and losing slice is mostly a YOU problem brother- Love your videos and you are an amazing player but you swap weapons compulsively oh and also Sever rounds! haha, great video and info looking forward to checking this one out since I have the best Sacred Provenance already.
Bruh I love the deep dives one of my favorite ytubers is cammycakes and legit if you ever did a massive hour long deep dive I’d watch that shit
@@StReborn311you don’t lose slice when you swap you Jim that’s why I like it
i was wondering why he was so good smh
i forsure thought he would atleast acknowledge that he was playing against you lmao
He keeps getting away with it
i saw that white titan and was like wait a min
Nichooo ❤❤❤
Omg haiiiii nicho :3333
Yeah looks like most of the weapons with this perk are locked in to special ammo roles, but keep an eye out for Lethal Abundance (360 Strand AR) when Iron Banner comes back around... it can roll Slice + Target Lock. The new trials Trace Rifle can get that roll as well, could be gnarly on swap builds.
As someone who also plays pve, I really wish this gave unraveling rounds instead of sever. Unraveling rounds are still pretty hard to proc
seasonal artifact but yeah normally
@@max73916 yea normally
Is it? I felt like the fragment to get it on a melee kill was more than enough. Threaded Spike for Hunters for example can get kills even in GMs as well as the Grapple melee.
I just wish it was up longer. Feels awkward to use as an anti barrier option because of it.
@@ROFLWAFFLELAWL4 exactly, relying on a melee kill prior to stunning a barrier is not certain enough for me to run it, whereas on solar melee hits alone grant radiant
Use the sidearm. So fucking underrated. That unravels a lot
The Iron Banner Auto rolls Slice and Collective Action. If you throw a glacier on behemoth and shatter it with your barricade, you do the following:
Activate Slice
Activate and extend collective action
Collect enough shards to guarantee an elemental charge proc, granting strand surge x2.
This all combines to give you 10-15 seconds of 5 tap potential, while being able to sever on hit as well, and all the abilities feed back into each other too.
This season specifically, shattering a large amount of crystals near someone can just outright kill them because of the artifact mods too, so that’s another plus to this.
Finally, if you really want to go crazy with this… Cadmus Ridge Lancecap *lies* about the stasis weapon requirement. If you run rally barricade instead (which you should be for maximum slice uptime), you can make diamond lances for landing just 3 headshots while behind your barricade.
I was already rocking this build last season with a dynamic sway collective action horror story instead of the IB auto that just dropped and was cooking before the stasis buffs. I can’t wait to get my hands on this buff to the build this season
I think the complete lack of telegraphing is what is gonna make it be very annoying. A dart you can see it coming and it will be usually coming directly from the guy you are dueling, who would be right in front of you stuck in the animation for a bit, but with this perk you might when severed across the map from some random dude at the back of the map with a pulse lol.
Cry about it
New bow also has slice
@@rayrealmadriddamn I forgot. That's toxic
I think it takes time to actually apply the slice sever debuff so it used up multiple stacks with in 1 burst when trying to hit a single target. It can normally go for 5 separate targets on the slug. IDK.
you could pair this with the strand hunter helmet and have woven mail making your enemies do less damage
Slice works as if you sever one and kill the same guy you gain a higher sever stack, so you can sever more enemies, you can chain it 👍🏻
zoom still gives you accuracy and recoil benefits just not damage falloff. still clunky in current meta not arguing those benefits aren’t essentially useless at the moment
Zoom also makes tracking harder close range not to mention having less aa close range as well, if you are on controller it doesnt really matter but on mnk zoom is the worst stat in the game so yeah...
I wish there was a primary weapon with switchable zoom (via weapon alt action). Revision Zero can do it, but it's zoomed mode is a sniper and requires playing the perk.
That clip of the grapple tangle throw grapple melee blew my mind at 8:00
A tip for using it in checkmate a lot would be running a cult exotic with the class ability sect. Each time an ally goes down you get like 20-25% class ability back. Its the closest thing to ability spam in checkmate Ive found.
Shhhhhhhhh. My secret sauce since solar 3.0. Dont let the casuals in on it lol
yeah like mike said keep our secret safe
Thorn meta is heat
So the thing with zoom is that it only doesn't increase the range, it still does things but people only see the loss of range and think "bad"
"I can't get into any normal gun fights" while he does 30 360s in 1 match flying across the whole map while hitting people with his sword
6:35 this transition deserves an oscar
Combine this with Aeon and Acrobats Dodge. Every time a teammate dies you get class ability energy, dodge proc slice proc radiant, you have your class ability back. Profit.
To take the most advantage of sluce while playing hunter, you can wear frostees for the most ability uptime
A strand smg that will eventually come out with slice and target lock gives me nightmares 💀💀💀
If you use clones alot something you can do to guarantee your threaded spike hits is to use it on your clone. It will break it and track to the enemy perfectly 99 percent of the time. Great to use around corners
On my placement series, i got a keep away moving target roll of this pulse, also I want to see you do some testing with the stasis classes with the buffs, Im enjoying the changes with stasis titan with the shiver strike slow
Got keep away moving target well, pretty nice but looking for a KC or headseeker pairing with keep away.
I got a keep away, zen moment, arrowhead, high call rounds and range masterwork.
@@Jgibz100 damn that's a rangy pulse, max range with keep away active and sticky af with zen 👌
This gun has insane stats. With small bore, ricochet, elemental capacitor (void), 2nd perk, and fitted stock, counter balance mod: It has 99 range, 100 stability, and 100 recoil direction
4 burst are my favorite pulse archetype so I might actually play comp this season
Imagine this perk with target lock lmao
You can get slice and tl on the new trials trace and iron banner auto
You can apply slice 5x times. You have it on a 4 burst pulse rifle, so that is 4 stacks, and the 2nd player is slice x5. So each time you apply it, the timer is refreshed.
Honestly I love this gun for its model. It's basically a juiced up version of the lyudmilla-D from Destiny 1... And yeah it has cracked stats and perks to boot.
It's a 4 burst whiffomatic at center mass. If you like outlining your target with holes in the wall, this is the gun for you.
Hear me out… Radiant dance machines, invis, and armour piercing rounds.
Bruh imagine dropping an overshield barricade to get extra HP on top of debuffing your opponent's DPS
I love threaded needle in those situations where your target just barely makes it to cover and then a fresh enemy teammate pops out to finish you off. Normally it's an all-too-common letdown but with that melee it's actually a good thing
3:39 No need to apologize, I like hearing your thoughts on things.
Got one with arrowhead,flared magwell, keepaway, headseeker with a stability master work
Warlocks can stand in the rift for 1v1s for guaranteed kills
Huh, finally a reason to invest into mobility on hunter. Nice.
Slice with Radiant Dance Machines would go absolutely crazy
Does Slice stack with Overload rounds? Might help reduce the opponent's damage even more
it does
Overload rounds don’t reduce damage in pvp only ability regen
Day 1: Use rain of fire boots and float with sweet business
Zoom does still benefit your aim assist and effective stability. It gives you all the “buffs” it always did still, just not the effective range drop off buff.
The tldr is I find it’s still useful on controller exactly for longer range pulses or autos.
"Zoom provides no benefits" I think someone forgot that zoom has several benefits and decoupling range only removed ONE. Now I understand angular recoil/ accuracy/ stability bonuses might seem like nothing, but those ARE helping your shot on high zoom weapons. The decouple reduced benefits, but did not remove all of them. Good info on Slice though.
A warlock with empowering rift would go crazy. Slap some lunifactions on and snipe people
I swear the designers at Bungie sometimes forget that the three classes' "class abilities" have significantly different cooldowns, and that making a weapon or artifact perk that does something powerful "after using a class ability" is basically a buff to Hunters.
I just got a slice headseeker. And after a few comp matches I’m a believer lol
“Saylastwishbruh” must be loving having content
Speaking of the Radiant Dodge idea, if you were to use a weapon with Incandescent (I.E. Beloved or double primary) or Knife trick and then Ember of Singeing you could potentially get a sort of super niche rhythm going where you dodge into Radiant and get into some fights then when you don't have the class ability you can scorch someone with an Incendiary Grenade or Incandescent to get it back up quicker.
what is shotgun you're using in the video
I went through my placement and I didn't get my pulse!! I don't know what I did wrong
This perk has some really cool build implications.
You know, now that zoom is no longer tied to range, maybe bungie should make zoom a scaler on primary weapons (obviously broken on specials like snipers and linear fusions). I could see that upping the usage of weapons overall that have been forgotten. Who knows, maybe snipers would be okay too, or at least an option to change the reticle or scope or something.
Zoom still has benefits beyond seeing further. Most importantly, it scales aim assist at range
Yo wallah, what is your total kill count on your stat tracker?
Imagine a slice and target lock smg. That would be absolutely insane
how are the stompees feeling now that they are fixed? is the decreased air born acceleration noticeable?
Not really.
I played comp yesterday, didn’t get it to drop for some reason.
Jottun trials card when?
if you put it on an smg it's busted
You can pair this with Aeon Swift in checkmate and have dodges for days. Not sure if Aeons resist buffs stacks but if it does oh boy.
I think this perk is really cool. I like the idea of of using debuffs more often in PvP. But we will have to see how good it is in the long run.
Idk why but this vid just made me load up my hunter i haven't touched in 3 seasons
Thinking about a sixth coyote Invis hunter using this scares me ngl
Yo please try phyllotactic spiral with enhanced hip fire grip/headseeker. It lets to play a lot more aggressive with the hip fire while still having great range
Iron banner auto that comes out next is a 360 with slice and target lock. Or slice and onslaught!!
Radnom question. Is that a crouch macro? Genuinely curious.
Here me out the strand hunter helmet and navigator makes a grapple point then swap to any slice wepon
Slice is on the new rapid fire strand fusion. You can craft that.
i just relised i failed mi objective of wallah using the sweet business with the actium war rig lmao
So this has random rolls instead of a curated roll? Can you get more than 3 on your account?
My first one was doodoooo....
I was trying to get this gun, but I only got the Rose.
(I've never played Competative)
Do I need to get both Rose and the Sniper first before the Pulse, or is it just random?
Rose is clean though.
You are easily the fastest person I have ever watched. Your movement is crazy.
I got my first Iron Legend (weran for iron banner) with this is exact weapon loadout and only now am I finding out wallah made a video on it
(Belisarius-D with slice + kill clip, Duality, and The Other Half)
Target lock is amazing on retrofit escapade with 4th times. Especially with pre nerf gyrfalcons
The new iron banner ar rolls with slice and target lock
Im just happy they are trying new fun perks
I ended up getting a keep away headseeker. Haven’t tried it so hopefully it feels nice .
I got it with slice and zen moment it’s nuts
so this perk looks dope i use the navigator to give woven mail and to sever enemies having this in a legendary is so dope here hoping woven mail is a perk in the future but i hate PVP hence why i mainly play PVE content so me having to play PVP is gonna suck
Use the artifact mod to get unravelling rounds on orb pickup and put reaper on your class ability
Does slice make tangles
What does sever do again
Checkmate is 30% longer cooldowns bro it would not be every couple minutes for your dodge lol
Thought we were still on that bow meta 🤣
The new Iron Banner 360 auto is gonna be able to get slice and onslaught and I'm gunning for like 5 different rolls of that gun. Legit think Slice is gonna make arc dash titans nuts.
Where can I farm this?
certified strand moment
Hi blonk
ye
Keep away Zen moment, its quite nice.
Do people not realize the accuravy and inherit stability zoom gives?
They do, but generally speaking, those benefits are outweighed the difficulty of use when someone comes up on you, increased zoom means less peripheral vision and harder to adjust reticle at close range. You usually want to have whatever zoom is standard for the weapon archetype these days, as that zoom is good for what you use it for without being so high as to hinder you
how many of these can we get a week? Just 1? or 1 per character?
This thing gets Slice and Headseeker with a 94 recoil by default.
I know what I’m chasing
zoom isn't completely useless as it increases accuracy cone range...
Really bothers me how this slice perk is so much better for hunters than it is for warlocks and titans, even titans get the shorter cd barricade but watlocks are atuck with our long ass rift cooldown.
Bro I did all my matches and the gun never dropped
Hmmm maybe a Omnioculus sever build 🤔
can't beli roll headseeker in the second column?
Mine got rapid hit headseeker
I just now got chambered compensater / light mag / slice / kill clip / range master work w 92 range total! about this roll. Will try tomorrow. Had to log off. But I love Kill clip on any weapon.
I like the way you "already know " where your enemies are 😂😂😂😂 " "someone is behind us' 😂😂😂 you don't even hide it anymore
I was thinking about using it with a stag warlock build.... make them do like 5 damage at that point lol
This perk needs to be on kill reload instead of on class ability cast.
I got slice on the new rapid fire fusion felt pretty fun in pve
How do you get the weapon?
Competitive pvp
Slice + Strand Barri-nades??