Looks like the MSRP is $160 US, so that's good. One small mistake though, in the table at 2:04 I wrote 'Gbps' for the memory, I meant 'Mbps', the memory's not that fast ;)
Hardware Unboxed ima have to put some respect on you for sticking out and doing this review for us. You’re the only one who actually brought out a review as opposed to other big tech TH-camrs.
Nvidia knows how the market works, if someone buy cheap graphic card will stick with brand for many years, because most praise and defend what they buy, so later they won't switch to other brand for personal reasons. Entry level is more advertisment than real business, so AMD have double problem, to compete rx5500 must be cheaper as underdog, and to win competition in that price range rather significantly cheaper than 160$ assuming similar performance.
Everyone is sleeping on my boy, Steve. Mans literally came out and called out Nvidia on their bs and reviewed the card anyways. No cap. Shout out my boy Steve, from the states.
It looks like none of the 1650 supers will have 75 Watt TDP, so the 1650 models with a 75 W TDP do have a place. Those with higher TDPs don’t make a lot of sense. However, if you factor in the price of such regular “1650” models they are essentially eliminated from competition, except in a few use cases.
The winner 4x I clarified my comment a bit. I was saying that the regular 1650 models with 75 W power draw don’t make sense, unless you’re absolutely constrained to a smaller form factor build.
My pc died and I had to rebuild pretty fast around that time (power surge shot the mb and gpu). I've been very happy with my Powercolor 580. I wasn't expecting much but it delivered very well. I've a feeling the 1650 would have cost me more since I'd have had to replace it in frustration :P
only because amd positioned the 5700 series as their midrange card, while it actually should be positioned lower. They can because Nvidia does the same.
@@Rem_NL I think what you're trying to say is that they've positioned the 5700 series as a more high-end card, or rather, they've followed Nvidia's lead in re-positioning what a "mid-range price" is. The 5700 series are mid-ranged cards, they are a generational equivalent to the polaris cards, but with MSRP much higher relative to their manufacturing costs than the polaris cards were.
I'll be honest here, I was forced into this card due to stock(I wanted a 2060), but having used it for about 7 months now, it really does the job. Most of my games reach the 120fps my monitor is capable of(I don't play super demanding games, mostly JRPGs) and was pleasantly surprised. For what was only £10 more than a 1050(at least at the time I bought it) it's a real bargain if you can find one in stock.
jeff 2146 guys its because Nvidia cant sell anymore 1650’s after these reviews go live and based on how they are acting i would guess they still have an ass load of 1650’s they are trying to get rid of. This card is actually a super competitive product, but thats also the problem with it, it makes some of the other GTX cards obsolete, thus affecting sales Edit: spelling
@@absolutelysobeast Competitive? ROLF! Nvidia competing Rx580 while Rx5500 & Rx5500xt Are around the horizon....Nvidia you are 2 years late ,This shit should be actual 1650 & 1650s will be obsolete within 2month if they don't drop price. Low-Mid range segment is out of Nvidia reach all they want high price(except this time) They still selling 1650 at same/higher price than Rx570 which is min.20% faster in almost all games...clearing stock is easy just drop price ,no rocket science required in it. like AMD selling Rx570 & Rx580 at dirt cheap price right now. Nevermind, mid range smart buyers will Wait for AMD side before going(fanbois are exception) to buy a card.
Thanks for the review Steve! I just purchased the EVGA 1650 SUPER SC Ultra to upgrade my work PC. I don't do serious gaming on it but its nice to play a little after work while I'm still at the office. Got it on newegg for $175 after tax & shipping. Excellent deal :)
You'd better wait for OEM partners to release 1650 Super Duper Ventus OC X WINDFORCE 3X JET GAMING OC X3 ARMOR DUKE XXX TRIO JETSTREAM EVO STRIX Advanced Pro HD Hyper Limited Edition, do not rush horses!
When looking at the benchmark results, easy to understand why they tried to delay any reviews lol AMD improves its GPUs over time with new drivers while NVidia improves its GPUs with releasing new models...
you don't imply that having bad drivers at the release date is an advantage, do you? The only reason SUPER lineup exists is AMD releasing their RX 5000 series, so NVIDIA just bumped their product stack a little. 1650 SUPER is dead anyway in a few days with the release of RX 5500, so they using every trick in the book to sell them ASAP.
@@PainterVierax games will use more vram than needed and you can compare a usage of 5.5 GB to 4GB of nvidia. You got any proof of this quality downgrade or you just talking out of your ass?
@@loganwolv3393 Yeah, but that doesn't change anything. EDIT: Actually, I just checked, and the 1650's 192-bit bus means that it has a lower bandwidth than the 570/80/90.
However this is a far better value than the original 1650 launch and the 1660S is better value than the 1660 and 1660Ti. So its kinda good we have them?
So, this thing gives me no reason to replace my 580. Cool. Think I've pretty much decided my next gpu will be a 5700 variant since this little 580, that was the first AMD card I'd bought since 2010 or so, has impressed me quite a bit.
@@redzyakuza Not in my country tho, but if its used one then you probly get one. Cheapest brandnew rx570 4gb here is $133.39 which is adding $30 you'll get 1650S 4gb altho i won't get either one cos those cards are good for mining or for computer shop rentals which have games that didn't demanding in fps like Dota2, LeagueOfLegends,Apex,PubgLite or CsGO which is very popular in Asia/SouthEastAsia.
I just bought the Gigabyte GTX 1660 triple fan card, it was the second cheapest triple fan card the first being the RX 570 Red Devil that I put in a friend's $500 build earlier this year. That single experience makes me want to only use triple fan cards in my own personal builds. It was $220 new on Amazon and I chose it because of Turing's H.264 encoder.
rx 5500 is gonna trade blow with this card and AMD NEEDS to price it competitively to make it APPEAL to people otherwise they'll just picking the nvidia one.
Dunno. If AMD hasn't crapped the bed, it should be ~15% faster. According to the little info we have right now, 5500 should be 20% faster than RX 480, the gap between 480 and 580 is quite small
@@dainiusvysniauskas2049 According to the info we have right now, where they compared it to the 1650, it falls in the 580 - 590 range, or basically the same performance as this 1650S.
It sounds like Nvidia delayed the driver because they're waiting for the RX 5500. That's my assumption. If the RX 5500 is Under $140 it's going to crush the 1650
I think you may be right though the GTX 1650 Super is coming out ahead of the RX 5500. If it does come out at $140 then I agree that will be $20 less and at the low end $20 can be a lot..
@@meshofesha7789 While yes there is a large gap in power consumption but idle isn't that much, i mean i assume you don't play games or render with the GPU 24/7 365 days a year. HWunboxed has already done the numbers to death as have other review sites with the assumption of 8hrs of games a day everyday.
I don't understand why nvidia didn't make a rtx 2050... I would think the 1650 would have been just that but with ok to decent ray tracing performance.
@@_A.d.G_ 5700 is overpriced. AMD even accidentally revealed that the series was originally intended to replace the RX 580 and 590 (RX 690 branding on the picture of the 5700 XT), and the 5700 has the same number of cores and the same memory bus width as the 480/580/590. Just because Nvidia's stuff is even more overpriced doesn't mean AMD's isn't overpriced too. The 5700 series is a lower-midrange product at higher-midrange prices. The 5500 series is a low end product, and will inevitably be launched at lower-midrange prices.
@@nathangamble125 The 5700 XT costs the same as the RXT 2060 Super, but it performs more closely with the RTX 2070 Super. How's that overpriced? The 5700, on the other hand, should be a little bit cheaper.
Excellent work! I'd like to see these results compared to the 9-series generation of cards like the 970 and 960. They are widely available on the used and b-stock market still and I'm curious as how they hold up to both the 10-series and the 16-series. Great video as always, keep it up.
@@Heartsbane055 He didnt say it was better for the future, but better IN the future. Newer games eat up all that VRAM and having just 4 in Q4 of 2019 seems risky if theres said 580s and 590s around the price area.
My assumption with nVidia blocking reviews is that they aren't just trying to avoid bad ones, but also maybe trying to play confusion in hope that someone might buy higher end card. Hoping that people will try to "dumb" it down too much and go with "more expensive is better". Because you do have that effect with people, when you tell them to buy cheaper product which performs really close and they still want more expensive stuff, because it "feels" better, since it costs more.
Not sure about 1650S prices here in Canada yet, but for reference (from ca.pcpartpicker.com), Cheapest RX 570 is currently $175 for the XFX RS XXX 4GB, Cheapest GTX 1650 is the Gigabyte Mini ITX OC for $199.50, Cheapest RX 570 8GB is the MSI Armor OC 8GB for $212.67, Cheapest RX 580 is the XFX GTS XXX ED at $230 for the 8GB, the XFX GTS XXX Edition 4GB is a extra $2.30 at $232.29, Cheapest GTX 1660 is the Gigabyte OC for $284.
Oh I'm just trying to figure out is which motherboard is compatible with this card. Building my own computer yet none of the motherboards are accepting or reading this so I need to know which motherboard I need to get for my reg. Can anyone help me
If you're a budget gamer, GTX 1650 super. If you're a gamer, GTX 1660 super. If you're a software budget boy, RX 580 8 gb If you're a software boy, RX 5700XT 8 gb/RTX 2080 8 GB or higher
While the original 1650's performance wasn't much to crow about when compared to the RX 570/580 at the same price point, what makes the 1650 a good buy was its low power draw -- it doesn't need an external 6/8 pin power connector to run. Hundreds of thousands of people who owns a Dell or HP or Acer desktops can now play AAA titles at 1080p med settings, without needing to change out the proprietary 300 watt PSU.
I bought a GTX 1650 super as my first card and I didn't have a problem with its price which is $180 when I bought it. I don't know why people are saying bad things about it in this comment section. I don't mind buying another GPU but I just want to know why some people are saying some negative reviews.
Glad Nvidia decided to actually compete this time. To anyone looking for that level of card, Newegg has a PowerColor 580 for the same $160. That places it ahead in cost per frame.
Very nice coverage of the 1650 super Steve. The only question I have is who the card would be for? It's not really a new level performance at a given price and that the 570 and 580 are already there and have been for quite some time. And that's not even taking into account the second hand Market. It seems to me this was a lost opportunity to make this the 1650 from the beginning. Those are just my random thoughts.
Minor problem with your charts and analysis graphs... you used/tested the most expensive version but used the price of the lowest cost version (with no guarantees they perform the same)??? Newegg lists the MSI GeForce GTX 1650 Super Gaming X 4GB 128-Bit GDDR6 $179.99 + $3.99 Shipping = $183.98 ($184). 1650 supers ranged from a low of $159.99 with free shipping to $179.99 + $3.99 Shipping = $183.98 ($184) for the one you used. The RX 580 8gb starts at a low of $159.99 (with $90 in premiums included from two companies, Power Color Red Dragon and MSI Armor OC versions) and the 8gb RX590 is available starting at $179.99 (Power Color Red Dragon and Sapphire Pulse - both include $90 in premiums). So, you can buy 4 different RX 580/590's that include $90 in premiums for less than the your reviewed 1650 super... OUCH!!! That makes the value far from competitive.... Too bad NVidia decided to cheap out and NOT give the new 1650 super the 8gb of memory or the 256 bit memory bandwidth of the cards it has to compete against... then it might have actually been good. But, NVidia, like Apple figures it's customers are either too loyal or not smart enough to notice and will buy it anyway... Looking forward to the new AMD cards, maybe AMD can do to NVidia what they trying to do to Intel in the cpu market... It would be great to see a real, thriving market competition!!!
Except the RX5500 at similar pricing has 4gb gddr6 memory as well & from what I've read is slightly slower then the 1650s. So They're both failures then 🤣
@@MLWJ1993 I am not saying the lower end RX cards will be good... but I am hoping they will come out with cards better than the RX 5700 XT line and do it with better performance and lower prices than NVidia? But even a RX 5500 or RX 5500 XT at the right price could still be a better value.
Once again, no one understands the value of the standard 1650. You can’t get a better card that can be powered directly by the motherboard at 75w. That is what you’re paying for.
Hardware Unboxed For gaming needs, I can’t think of many, which is why I can understand why most, including this channel, don’t understand it. There are many non-gaming needs for this. Any type of server that takes advantage of gpu acceleration. Any system that has power limitations such as sff builds. Personally, I use them in Plex server builds managing power is extremely important. It’s one of these thing where just because someone doesn’t see a need doesn’t mean there isn’t a need. That’s just ignorance.
That's the same bullshit they said about the 970 'oh it has only 3.5 gb of ram, not futureproof yada yada yada'... The 970 still performs very well today.
Just a note: The Saphire nitro + RX 580 8 gig has Been going for $120 average on Ebay here in the states for more than 3 months now. I bought two on 2 separate occasions, (mining Cards), and found them to be in mint condition, inside and out. I believe they offer far better value at that point and might have been worth a side mention after the graphs. Thanks Steve!
I'm actually surprised the 1650 Super is as good as it is. It's what the 1650 should have been in the first place. It's a win (and that's coming from a hard core AMD fan boy)
When announced the RX480 was said to cost 200$. Now nVidia released a card that is on par with the RX 580 (basically a 480) for 20$ less. It's like we're stuck in 2016 based on price and performance.
toutagamon the consoles have had 8gb of VRAM for over 6 years and the VRAM requirements never skyrocketed. Stop spreading fear and irrational arguements
Zane White yes, but i think its 6gb for games 2 for system. On the xbox one x its 9gb for games and 3gb for system. But with these next consoles things are going to change pretty drastically. These consoles at 9 or 10 teraflops will match the vega architectures 12 or 13 teraflops, they will be true monsters
Take Hiro LOL same though dude, the console have had 8 cores since 2013. Alot will change with these consoles, way more than in the last 15 years in gaming,
Great stuff as always. Would have liked to see direct comparison graphs with some cards like the 580. You know, the percent up/down stuff. Average is nice, but less informative.
It seems like despite the larger VRAM buffers of the higher-end cards, the VRAM is being heavily under-utilised, you would think that, with 8GB of VRAm, you would want to have features to store more textures in cache, and reduce the time to draw visuals to the scene. It feels like the software is still a few years behind the hardware....from all hardware manufacturers and software developers...... depressing for sure.
🙂 no, its because of market share, everybody is seeing that both amd & invidia are selling brand spankin new 4GB ddr5 or ddr6 video cards to the whole wide world for 2020, so if u really want to sell video games to the masses you better be fn dam sure that ur game runs on 4gb of vram ✌😏🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢
@@MrSamadolfo That doesn't explain the LACK of optimisation for larger VRAM buffers...... All that explains is why 4GB VRAM is the usual"Recommend" amount of VRAM for most modern AAA games. VRAM capacity above 4GB has been available to mainstream consumers for the last 5 years, thanks to AMD (HD7000 series and the R9 2XX series of GPUs). The issue, is that developers aren't being pressured to put effort into better utilising the available hardware that consumers have. And, so the games they are developing see barely any performance increase in relation to an increase in VRAM, which should NOT be the case. TL;DR: Software & especially game developers are lazy and don't put in the effort to effectively utilise the available hardware that different GPU's have, especially VRAM capacity.
Great product. I only get excited for graphics cards below 400 dollars and really excited when below 200 dollars. That's when a lot of kids can enjoy gaming.
From the moment when you said that Nvidia were holding back the drivers, the first thing that came in to my head was "maybe the imminent release of the rx5500 has something to do with this". Good review as always Hardware Unboxed 🙂
Given the vega 56 is just 215usd new in Germany right now, it still seems like the ultimate deal, if you don't care about powerconsumption or noise of course.
In Austria the standard 1650 cost around €170 like the 570 8gig, the 580 8gig around €200. But on the other hand there is still the efficiency and oc capability argument.
why? the new rx5500 is gona be 4gb of ddr6 as well, u got both gpu companys rolling out brand new 4gb cards, they will definitely be supported for a good long while 🐢😀🐢
I want to see a return of single slot cards... Sometimes you just need video output and don't have onboard, taking up 2 slots means less lanes/slots I could be using for another hba, or another network card...
Looks like the MSRP is $160 US, so that's good. One small mistake though, in the table at 2:04 I wrote 'Gbps' for the memory, I meant 'Mbps', the memory's not that fast ;)
Hardware Unboxed ima have to put some respect on you for sticking out and doing this review for us. You’re the only one who actually brought out a review as opposed to other big tech TH-camrs.
So its better than a rx 580 ?
@wiltord mark In most cases the textures just won't load if they can't fit in VRAM.
Nvidia knows how the market works, if someone buy cheap graphic card will stick with brand for many years, because most praise and defend what they buy, so later they won't switch to other brand for personal reasons. Entry level is more advertisment than real business, so AMD have double problem, to compete rx5500 must be cheaper as underdog, and to win competition in that price range rather significantly cheaper than 160$ assuming similar performance.
Good job on not putting up with Nvidia's BS
So it's basically a $160 that performs like a $160 card, unlike the original 1650 which was a $150 card that performed like a sub $100 card.
Basically, yeah ;)
@@Hardwareunboxed LoL, the reply, haha!
But only 4gb of vram
@@holmd90 - At least it isn't like the 3GB variant of the 1060. lol
And with only 4GB of GDDR6. Even RX 5500 comes with 4/8GB of a GDDR6. Pathetic.
Everyone is sleeping on my boy, Steve. Mans literally came out and called out Nvidia on their bs and reviewed the card anyways. No cap. Shout out my boy Steve, from the states.
That's why I like Hardware Unboxed
My boy. Ma man
Being from Oz, Steve doesn't understand Jive, can someone translate?
he's australian
No he made an assumption based on very little data. That's not something someone should be patted on the back for.
this should have been the 1650.
It looks like none of the 1650 supers will have 75 Watt TDP, so the 1650 models with a 75 W TDP do have a place. Those with higher TDPs don’t make a lot of sense. However, if you factor in the price of such regular “1650” models they are essentially eliminated from competition, except in a few use cases.
They fucked up and they know it.
They only sold 6 cards
@@connormccloy9399 why don't they make sense the 1650s beats the rx 580 in most cases while costing the same and using much lesser power
The winner 4x I clarified my comment a bit. I was saying that the regular 1650 models with 75 W power draw don’t make sense, unless you’re absolutely constrained to a smaller form factor build.
@Setzer K wtf are you saying the rx470 isn't 1060 level of performance especially back in the days when it realised
Respect +1
Fighting the corp, Fighting the power for quality reviews.
Very glad to see Steve choosing the people side
A minute of silence for people who bought the 1650
I almost did...Glad I waited...Still waiting for Rx 5500..
I did but it's a mobile one
1650Super is at 230,- where i live. Not a good price at all. Might drop soon tho.
My pc died and I had to rebuild pretty fast around that time (power surge shot the mb and gpu). I've been very happy with my Powercolor 580. I wasn't expecting much but it delivered very well. I've a feeling the 1650 would have cost me more since I'd have had to replace it in frustration :P
1650 was $180-190 here if this card is anywhere below 200 I'll buy it..
The 3 year old 580 is still an amazing card
only because amd positioned the 5700 series as their midrange card, while it actually should be positioned lower. They can because Nvidia does the same.
@@Rem_NL all these new gtx cards from nvidia arent that much faster than my 580 that it makes me want to upgrade
@@earnistse4899 cool
@@Rem_NL I think what you're trying to say is that they've positioned the 5700 series as a more high-end card, or rather, they've followed Nvidia's lead in re-positioning what a "mid-range price" is. The 5700 series are mid-ranged cards, they are a generational equivalent to the polaris cards, but with MSRP much higher relative to their manufacturing costs than the polaris cards were.
@@syncmonism Yeah i mean the 5700xt was supposed to be called 690 up until launch. One of the press photos still had 690 written on the fan of one.
I'll be honest here, I was forced into this card due to stock(I wanted a 2060), but having used it for about 7 months now, it really does the job. Most of my games reach the 120fps my monitor is capable of(I don't play super demanding games, mostly JRPGs) and was pleasantly surprised. For what was only £10 more than a 1050(at least at the time I bought it) it's a real bargain if you can find one in stock.
NVIDIA: Confusing People
"It just works!" - Jenseng Huang
"It just works!" - Todd Howard 76
@@iyusyusra7115 16 Times the detail
"While they can"
That grin... he already got the 5500 maybe?
I'm pretty sure he does, but it's on NDA, I can't wait anymore :D
@@Mizra-dq3lj Nvidia flooding the market so that my guy Amd fail. But 5500 at 120 dollars will destroy the 1650 super
@@baishya775 It seems like the 5500 will be $150 which is also the price of the 1650 Super. So the 5500 will be DOA unless they lower the price.
@@jorge69696 Or, the RX 5500 just outperforms the GTX 1650 Super? Both are possible, price cuts or higher performance....
@@longnamedude3947 I will still buy the Amd at the same performance to support them so that they can end Nvidia's monopoly to some extent.
nvidia just doesnt want you to review thier products
Yeah they are simply too accurate in their testings and so flaws come out - good on you guys.
Yes, because the truth hurts (their sales).
ther has been a fu@@tonne of navi 5500/5600 fudding recently. now i know why.
jeff 2146 guys its because Nvidia cant sell anymore 1650’s after these reviews go live and based on how they are acting i would guess they still have an ass load of 1650’s they are trying to get rid of. This card is actually a super competitive product, but thats also the problem with it, it makes some of the other GTX cards obsolete, thus affecting sales
Edit: spelling
@@absolutelysobeast Competitive?
ROLF! Nvidia competing Rx580 while Rx5500 & Rx5500xt Are around the horizon....Nvidia you are 2 years late ,This shit should be actual 1650 & 1650s will be obsolete within 2month if they don't drop price. Low-Mid range segment is out of Nvidia reach all they want high price(except this time)
They still selling 1650 at same/higher price than Rx570 which is min.20% faster in almost all games...clearing stock is easy just drop price ,no rocket science required in it. like AMD selling Rx570 & Rx580 at dirt cheap price right now.
Nevermind, mid range smart buyers will Wait for AMD side before going(fanbois are exception) to buy a card.
Hardware Unboxed, risking their necks once more to get reviews out to the public!
Too bad 4 triggered Nvidia fan bois and your typical lul 1050Ti buyers disliked.
Purchase Nvidia, give money to companies who are anti free press.
Thanks for the review Steve! I just purchased the EVGA 1650 SUPER SC Ultra to upgrade my work PC. I don't do serious gaming on it but its nice to play a little after work while I'm still at the office. Got it on newegg for $175 after tax & shipping. Excellent deal :)
I thought they succeeded in delaying the review then thought wait haven't I seen this before then realized it was 1650 super not 1660 super
I will wait for 1650 Super Duper Ultra Pro Advanced HD Hyper :D :D
You forgot the "ti"
For $350... yeah... water cooled super model that is allmost as fast as 1660 ;)
Don't give Nvidia ideas 😅
You'd better wait for OEM partners to release 1650 Super Duper Ventus OC X WINDFORCE 3X JET GAMING OC X3 ARMOR DUKE XXX TRIO JETSTREAM EVO STRIX Advanced Pro HD Hyper Limited Edition, do not rush horses!
Sounds like it was produced by Capcom. LOL
When looking at the benchmark results, easy to understand why they tried to delay any reviews lol
AMD improves its GPUs over time with new drivers while NVidia improves its GPUs with releasing new models...
you don't imply that having bad drivers at the release date is an advantage, do you?
The only reason SUPER lineup exists is AMD releasing their RX 5000 series, so NVIDIA just bumped their product stack a little. 1650 SUPER is dead anyway in a few days with the release of RX 5500, so they using every trick in the book to sell them ASAP.
@@shawnpitman876 uhh i don't think he's defending Nvidia in this case, more like he's saying that nvidia is getting desperate i think
@@RyukiSanzu RX 5500? You might probably be joking.It's Just RX 570,But with a new name.
@@RyukiSanzu This didn't age well. Especially the last sentence
if it had 6GB vram it would be killer
this card has the turing nvenc unlike the normal 1650 that uses volta nvenc
4GB is fine for 1080p gaming, nvidia's compression algorithms are pretty effective
@@Rem_NL some games like far cry are already starting to use 6-8GB on 1080p, so idk bro. 4gb is to low.
@@Rem_NL Nvidia driver kind of cheats, it automatically lowers the texture quality if the card is memory starving. (I know how to copy/paste too)
@@PainterVierax games will use more vram than needed and you can compare a usage of 5.5 GB to 4GB of nvidia. You got any proof of this quality downgrade or you just talking out of your ass?
Gaboesh Far Cry uses 4.25gb of vram at 1080p ultra.
I'd still go for an RX card on account of their 8GB of VRAM.
Well it's a quantity vs speed thing.1650 has faster 4gb gddr6 while rx 570 has slower 8gb gddr5.
@@loganwolv3393 So it's faster than RX 570 but you still have to lower texture quality in all modern games.
@@rentojadmost 570s have 4GB as well I can barely find 8GB variants and if I find them they are heavily over priced
@@loganwolv3393 rx570 has a 256 width bus so that make it the same as the fast gddr6 speed 1650 super
@@loganwolv3393 Yeah, but that doesn't change anything.
EDIT: Actually, I just checked, and the 1650's 192-bit bus means that it has a lower bandwidth than the 570/80/90.
There's basically cards on the market for each frame now, that's nice. Good job amd.
THIS FUCKING COMMENT RIGHT HERE
Nice review Steve. Looks like a great price/performance card. Getting that review up on time!! Amazing!
Another SUPER Card - sweet Jesus let it end already
Completely agree. Can't help but associate it with Dragon ball and it's kind of a dated & lame interpretation of something better.
Christian Hell . Waiting for the SUPER DUPER.
It will never end.
Yes there will probably be a gt 1630 and 1630 super
However this is a far better value than the original 1650 launch and the 1660S is better value than the 1660 and 1660Ti. So its kinda good we have them?
So, this thing gives me no reason to replace my 580. Cool. Think I've pretty much decided my next gpu will be a 5700 variant since this little 580, that was the first AMD card I'd bought since 2010 or so, has impressed me quite a bit.
Of course there's no reason cos 1650S is budget gpu just like rx580, if you want a superior upgrade just go with rx 5700xt or rtx 2080ti
I don't think any entry level gpu of a generation has better performance than the last generation's mid range.
@@ult7511 and u can get rx580 below $100 and 570/470 around $60+
@@redzyakuza Not in my country tho, but if its used one then you probly get one. Cheapest brandnew rx570 4gb here is $133.39 which is adding $30 you'll get 1650S 4gb altho i won't get either one cos those cards are good for mining or for computer shop rentals which have games that didn't demanding in fps like Dota2, LeagueOfLegends,Apex,PubgLite or CsGO which is very popular in Asia/SouthEastAsia.
Either go 2080 or wait for RX5800/5900 series
I'm more impressed with how well Vega 56 is aging....
That card was always going to do well. Getting one of those used would be a betrer option then any of the cards mentioned here.
@@baronvonlimbourgh1716 But boy oh boy, how fans of the Vega were chastised at the mere mention of a Vega being a better buy over the 1070.
@@morgueblack huh what?
Oh hey, it's the card they should have released from the start.
But "youd be crazy to buy a gpu in 2019 without ray tracing" ...
I don't even have a gpu, so this looks great.
Gaytracing... who needs that?
1660 Ti XC Ultra here, I'm crazy
Ray tracing is so good, too bad nvidia launched it into the mainstream in the worse way possible.
Clown huang
Pretty good card for the money - but it really does depends on the game you're playing.
I did not expect such a great performance wow..💪🏾💪🏾
I just bought the Gigabyte GTX 1660 triple fan card, it was the second cheapest triple fan card the first being the RX 570 Red Devil that I put in a friend's $500 build earlier this year. That single experience makes me want to only use triple fan cards in my own personal builds. It was $220 new on Amazon and I chose it because of Turing's H.264 encoder.
Future:
Amd - Anounced another card
Nvidia - Releases 1650 super pro ti
rx 5500 is gonna trade blow with this card and AMD NEEDS to price it competitively to make it APPEAL to people otherwise they'll just picking the nvidia one.
Hopefully
if it's not oem only
Dunno. If AMD hasn't crapped the bed, it should be ~15% faster. According to the little info we have right now, 5500 should be 20% faster than RX 480, the gap between 480 and 580 is quite small
@@dainiusvysniauskas2049 According to the info we have right now, where they compared it to the 1650, it falls in the 580 - 590 range, or basically the same performance as this 1650S.
nope. i heard that the rx5500 perform slower than rx580 nitro+ :(
I still love you, Rx580
I still miss the old intro :(
This
It sounds like Nvidia delayed the driver because they're waiting for the RX 5500. That's my assumption.
If the RX 5500 is Under $140 it's going to crush the 1650
I think you may be right though the GTX 1650 Super is coming out ahead of the RX 5500. If it does come out at $140 then I agree that will be $20 less and at the low end $20 can be a lot..
Second hand 580 are cheap & they're everywhere...
On overclockers.co.uk the Sapphire RX580 (4GB) is just £3 more than preordering the Palit GTX 1650 Super.
RX 580 325 watts
GTX 1650 super 110 watts
@@meshofesha7789 While yes there is a large gap in power consumption but idle isn't that much, i mean i assume you don't play games or render with the GPU 24/7 365 days a year. HWunboxed has already done the numbers to death as have other review sites with the assumption of 8hrs of games a day everyday.
"RX 580 325 watts" dafuq. You mean the Vega 64? That card pulled around 300W, the RX 580 is around 180-200W
All from the us with expensive shipping
I would still take the RX580, because it has 8GB.
I don't understand why nvidia didn't make a rtx 2050... I would think the 1650 would have been just that but with ok to decent ray tracing performance.
Nvidia - It just works !
AMD - Just wait !
Both end up being lies
5700 delivered. BIG TIME.
What makes you think 5500 won't?
Wait I though that was both Bethesda things
@@_A.d.G_ 5700 is overpriced. AMD even accidentally revealed that the series was originally intended to replace the RX 580 and 590 (RX 690 branding on the picture of the 5700 XT), and the 5700 has the same number of cores and the same memory bus width as the 480/580/590. Just because Nvidia's stuff is even more overpriced doesn't mean AMD's isn't overpriced too.
The 5700 series is a lower-midrange product at higher-midrange prices. The 5500 series is a low end product, and will inevitably be launched at lower-midrange prices.
@@nathangamble125 The 5700 XT costs the same as the RXT 2060 Super, but it performs more closely with the RTX 2070 Super. How's that overpriced? The 5700, on the other hand, should be a little bit cheaper.
Excellent work! I'd like to see these results compared to the 9-series generation of cards like the 970 and 960. They are widely available on the used and b-stock market still and I'm curious as how they hold up to both the 10-series and the 16-series. Great video as always, keep it up.
isn't 4gb of vram a bit too low for 2019? rx 580/90 still seem like the better choice on the long run.
higher power consumption and older architecture is better for future, right?
@@Heartsbane055 what makes you think a 4gb vram entry level card can outperform an rx580/90 in the future??? lol
@@samuelkdu the radeon 7 is EOL
It just goes to show that the 8GB of VRAM on the 580 doesn't make it any better. At least at 1080p.
@@Heartsbane055 He didnt say it was better for the future, but better IN the future. Newer games eat up all that VRAM and having just 4 in Q4 of 2019 seems risky if theres said 580s and 590s around the price area.
My assumption with nVidia blocking reviews is that they aren't just trying to avoid bad ones, but also maybe trying to play confusion in hope that someone might buy higher end card. Hoping that people will try to "dumb" it down too much and go with "more expensive is better". Because you do have that effect with people, when you tell them to buy cheaper product which performs really close and they still want more expensive stuff, because it "feels" better, since it costs more.
The super should have been the cards we gotten
with the prices of the non super.
Not sure about 1650S prices here in Canada yet, but for reference (from ca.pcpartpicker.com), Cheapest RX 570 is currently $175 for the XFX RS XXX 4GB, Cheapest GTX 1650 is the Gigabyte Mini ITX OC for $199.50, Cheapest RX 570 8GB is the MSI Armor OC 8GB for $212.67, Cheapest RX 580 is the XFX GTS XXX ED at $230 for the 8GB, the XFX GTS XXX Edition 4GB is a extra $2.30 at $232.29, Cheapest GTX 1660 is the Gigabyte OC for $284.
I would be interested in lowering the power target and see how it performs and how low the power consumption is.
Oh I'm just trying to figure out is which motherboard is compatible with this card. Building my own computer yet none of the motherboards are accepting or reading this so I need to know which motherboard I need to get for my reg. Can anyone help me
If you're a budget gamer, GTX 1650 super.
If you're a gamer, GTX 1660 super.
If you're a software budget boy, RX 580 8 gb
If you're a software boy, RX 5700XT 8 gb/RTX 2080 8 GB or higher
It sucks that they have only 4GB variants.
rentojad they have 6gb variants, they are called the 1660 series
What are you doing with 4GB for a x50 range?
Yeah cmon stop with sub 6GB variants. It's almost 2020 by now alright!?
@@matrixfull 6gb on a 1650s is useless as it doesn't have the needed horse power to go with it
@Arturs Suboc 8gb vram is enough for 4k
While the original 1650's performance wasn't much to crow about when compared to the RX 570/580 at the same price point, what makes the 1650 a good buy was its low power draw -- it doesn't need an external 6/8 pin power connector to run. Hundreds of thousands of people who owns a Dell or HP or Acer desktops can now play AAA titles at 1080p med settings, without needing to change out the proprietary 300 watt PSU.
The hell nvidia?
The perfect Budget Card for 1080p and high Settings (as long as you keep an eye on ram usage)
the expression of interesting content :) in the end! u have rx 5500 hidden somewhere in the shelves right?!!!
I bought a GTX 1650 super as my first card and I didn't have a problem with its price which is $180 when I bought it. I don't know why people are saying bad things about it in this comment section. I don't mind buying another GPU but I just want to know why some people are saying some negative reviews.
I'm gonna buy it as my actual first card too, I just got a old gt 630 from the prebuilt of my mom before
bought one for my dads build used for $115 bucks. such a steal its a perfect card for him.
I am so lost with all those new cards. I'll stick with a 80€ RX580 8G thank you very much
Glad Nvidia decided to actually compete this time. To anyone looking for that level of card, Newegg has a PowerColor 580 for the same $160. That places it ahead in cost per frame.
i'm happy with my rx580, thats why i bought 2
on my country the Gtx 1650 super is cheaper than rx 570 4gb. Which one should I buy then?
Take a drink every time Steve says 1660 or 1650.
Here in Malaysia the Zotac GTX 1650 Super retails at RM 749. Gigabyte model at RM RM 829
New super budget king, unless you already have a rx 580 or 590.
Very nice coverage of the 1650 super Steve. The only question I have is who the card would be for? It's not really a new level performance at a given price and that the 570 and 580 are already there and have been for quite some time. And that's not even taking into account the second hand Market. It seems to me this was a lost opportunity to make this the 1650 from the beginning. Those are just my random thoughts.
I agree, this should have been the 1650 from the get go.
With this performance, they should've given it 6gb vram.....
This should've been the normal 1650, that they originally released..
4GB is fine for 1080p gaming, nvidia's compression algorithms are pretty effective
@@Rem_NL Nvidia driver kind of cheats, it automatically lowers the texture quality if the card is memory starving. (I know how to copy/paste too)
Minor problem with your charts and analysis graphs... you used/tested the most expensive version but used the price of the lowest cost version (with no guarantees they perform the same)???
Newegg lists the MSI GeForce GTX 1650 Super Gaming X 4GB 128-Bit GDDR6 $179.99 + $3.99 Shipping = $183.98 ($184). 1650 supers ranged from a low of $159.99 with free shipping to $179.99 + $3.99 Shipping = $183.98 ($184) for the one you used.
The RX 580 8gb starts at a low of $159.99 (with $90 in premiums included from two companies, Power Color Red Dragon and MSI Armor OC versions) and the 8gb RX590 is available starting at $179.99 (Power Color Red Dragon and Sapphire Pulse - both include $90 in premiums). So, you can buy 4 different RX 580/590's that include $90 in premiums for less than the your reviewed 1650 super... OUCH!!! That makes the value far from competitive.... Too bad NVidia decided to cheap out and NOT give the new 1650 super the 8gb of memory or the 256 bit memory bandwidth of the cards it has to compete against... then it might have actually been good. But, NVidia, like Apple figures it's customers are either too loyal or not smart enough to notice and will buy it anyway... Looking forward to the new AMD cards, maybe AMD can do to NVidia what they trying to do to Intel in the cpu market... It would be great to see a real, thriving market competition!!!
Except the RX5500 at similar pricing has 4gb gddr6 memory as well & from what I've read is slightly slower then the 1650s. So They're both failures then 🤣
@@MLWJ1993 I am not saying the lower end RX cards will be good... but I am hoping they will come out with cards better than the RX 5700 XT line and do it with better performance and lower prices than NVidia? But even a RX 5500 or RX 5500 XT at the right price could still be a better value.
Excellent, I finally get to replace my 650ti boost.
Ah, the good old 650ti. My first gaming PC got that ( not the boost). Well actually my first gaming PC had a 9400gt but that GPU was shit lol.
Nice you gain a whole 1000 to its name 😃
Based on this we can assume rx 5500 to be slightly slower than 1650super. AMD needs to price rx5500 at 150$ to compete
the rx 5500 is slower than a rx 580
4gb in 2019 even for low end cards isn’t much. I’d still buy 8gb rx580 or 590
4GB is fine for 1080p gaming, nvidia's compression algorithms are pretty effective. And these are basically budget cards being sold as midrange
@@Rem_NL Nvidia driver kind of cheats, it automatically lowers the texture quality if the card is memory starving.
Rem NL 4 is fine but 8 is better for future proofing.
Once again, no one understands the value of the standard 1650. You can’t get a better card that can be powered directly by the motherboard at 75w. That is what you’re paying for.
Yeah we know, but why?
Hardware Unboxed For gaming needs, I can’t think of many, which is why I can understand why most, including this channel, don’t understand it. There are many non-gaming needs for this. Any type of server that takes advantage of gpu acceleration. Any system that has power limitations such as sff builds. Personally, I use them in Plex server builds managing power is extremely important. It’s one of these thing where just because someone doesn’t see a need doesn’t mean there isn’t a need. That’s just ignorance.
4GB VRAM in 2019. What a mistake...
They can't increase it or they will cannibalize their 1660 line-up :D It's kinda dumb.
If they make 8gb or 6gb ,rip 1660
its a low range card, and for now 4gb its just fine at least for 1080p.
@@juanford55 I agree 4GB is fine for 1080p, at least for the time being.
That's the same bullshit they said about the 970 'oh it has only 3.5 gb of ram, not futureproof yada yada yada'...
The 970 still performs very well today.
Just a note: The Saphire nitro + RX 580 8 gig has Been going for $120 average on Ebay here in the states for more than 3 months now. I bought two on 2 separate occasions, (mining Cards), and found them to be in mint condition, inside and out. I believe they offer far better value at that point and might have been worth a side mention after the graphs. Thanks Steve!
Good thing Nvidia has finally made a GPU that can compete with the now 2 year old RX 580. They're really catching up
I'm actually surprised the 1650 Super is as good as it is. It's what the 1650 should have been in the first place.
It's a win (and that's coming from a hard core AMD fan boy)
I wouldn’t buy a 4gb card anymore... 580 for me please.
It'd be interesting to rebenchmark them today. The new drivers have added a lot of performance to the old 580.
When is Nvidia not trying to act evil?
Never kek
It fits in perfectly between 1660 and 1650 imo. One of the few Super cards that actually makes sense.
Can't fool the benchmarking king.
When announced the RX480 was said to cost 200$. Now nVidia released a card that is on par with the RX 580 (basically a 480) for 20$ less. It's like we're stuck in 2016 based on price and performance.
all those cards are on R290 performance released on early 2013 :-)
@@killermoon635 4GB version was announced at 199 US dollars when unveiled. And it's the same card as the pricier 8GB just has less memory.
With 4GBs this card ain't going nowhere! In one year the PS5 will be here with gobs of hUMA memory and vram requirements will skyrocket.
toutagamon the consoles have had 8gb of VRAM for over 6 years and the VRAM requirements never skyrocketed. Stop spreading fear and irrational arguements
The CPU usage will skyrocket. 4 cores CPUs are dead.
@@absolutelysobeast Thats because the gpus werent and still arent powerful enough and its also been shared memory right?
Zane White yes, but i think its 6gb for games 2 for system. On the xbox one x its 9gb for games and 3gb for system. But with these next consoles things are going to change pretty drastically. These consoles at 9 or 10 teraflops will match the vega architectures 12 or 13 teraflops, they will be true monsters
Take Hiro LOL same though dude, the console have had 8 cores since 2013. Alot will change with these consoles, way more than in the last 15 years in gaming,
The 100W power consumption is pretty neat tho
I would never buy a 4gb card in 2019.
That's the only downside of this card. Let's see what the Rx5500 can offer and at what price
4gb on 1080p is plenty....
Unless I got that 4gb card for a really good deal then it would be different
@@hundredlives3910 Not really unless you like mid-low texture settings.
@@DeadNoob451 I game at 1080p max settings on a 2060 super and have never gone over 4gb, very close though like 3.8
Great stuff as always. Would have liked to see direct comparison graphs with some cards like the 580. You know, the percent up/down stuff. Average is nice, but less informative.
1650 Super: omae wa mou.. shindeiru.
My Rx 580: Nani!!!!
It seems like despite the larger VRAM buffers of the higher-end cards, the VRAM is being heavily under-utilised, you would think that, with 8GB of VRAm, you would want to have features to store more textures in cache, and reduce the time to draw visuals to the scene.
It feels like the software is still a few years behind the hardware....from all hardware manufacturers and software developers...... depressing for sure.
🙂 no, its because of market share, everybody is seeing that both amd & invidia are selling brand spankin new 4GB ddr5 or ddr6 video cards to the whole wide world for 2020, so if u really want to sell video games to the masses you better be fn dam sure that ur game runs on 4gb of vram ✌😏🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢
@@MrSamadolfo That doesn't explain the LACK of optimisation for larger VRAM buffers...... All that explains is why 4GB VRAM is the usual"Recommend" amount of VRAM for most modern AAA games.
VRAM capacity above 4GB has been available to mainstream consumers for the last 5 years, thanks to AMD (HD7000 series and the R9 2XX series of GPUs).
The issue, is that developers aren't being pressured to put effort into better utilising the available hardware that consumers have. And, so the games they are developing see barely any performance increase in relation to an increase in VRAM, which should NOT be the case.
TL;DR: Software & especially game developers are lazy and don't put in the effort to effectively utilise the available hardware that different GPU's have, especially VRAM capacity.
@@longnamedude3947 🙂 maybe that too
Now AMD will drop prices:
RX570 = 129
RX580 = 149
RX590 = 169
Good guess lol
Where are the Threadripper reviews? Are they going live when the CPUs launch Monday next week?
Seems kinda silly of nVidia to not release the drivers.
Clever 😁
I'd pay the tiny premium for an RX 580 to get the extra vram. This card seems better for competitive games where no one cares about texture quality.
Great product. I only get excited for graphics cards below 400 dollars and really excited when below 200 dollars. That's when a lot of kids can enjoy gaming.
From the moment when you said that Nvidia were holding back the drivers, the first thing that came in to my head was "maybe the imminent release of the rx5500 has something to do with this". Good review as always Hardware Unboxed 🙂
Given the vega 56 is just 215usd new in Germany right now, it still seems like the ultimate deal, if you don't care about powerconsumption or noise of course.
Or noise, or moving to Germany ;)
@Hallison Michel mindfactory had them for 190 yesterday, they are 215 right now.
@@Hardwareunboxed well, they get pretty noisy, that's true :D
I remember when that happened with the Furys. Late Sapphire Fury Nitros where ridiculously cheap.
In Austria the standard 1650 cost around €170 like the 570 8gig, the 580 8gig around €200. But on the other hand there is still the efficiency and oc capability argument.
Finally I can replace my old gtx 950
Should go with a better card 4gb isn't enough in 2019
@@caribbaviator7058 it is for 1080p though :)
Same! I definitely need an upgrade
It's a low end 1080p card. 4gb of vram are enough. 1060 has 6gb and it rarely uses them.
I want to buy it , but that 4GB vram...
If that was 6 , it would be a definitive buy from me.
why? the new rx5500 is gona be 4gb of ddr6 as well, u got both gpu companys rolling out brand new 4gb cards, they will definitely be supported for a good long while 🐢😀🐢
@@MrSamadolfo low texture settings "support" even 1-2gb cards these days. That does not mean its not a mess though.
You want 6gb?
"Gtx 1660 is waving at you"
@@chocoballz4634 🙂 rite
@@chocoballz4634 1660 is 50$ more...
I'm not sure anything can beat $100 RX480s on ebay in terms of value right now.
Upgrade the memory and the cores for $10?! When they always say its too expensive to upgrade the memory 😂
It's insane how after almost 4 years Nvidia manages to release a much slower card while being more expensive than the 1650S
Which card are you talking about?
GTX 1630 probably @@Generationalwealth94
7:48 GTX 1050 gets 17 fps average. LMAO
I want to see a return of single slot cards... Sometimes you just need video output and don't have onboard, taking up 2 slots means less lanes/slots I could be using for another hba, or another network card...
Moderd one slot cards might need 8,000 rpm blower fans to keep cool lol...
Meanwhile AMD sleeping somewhere with their rx 5500 , and waiting nvdia to bankrupt us .
AMD most likely hope to beat nvidia pricing. i think that what makes AMD to keep holding that card instead of launching them last month.
@@arenzricodexd4409 hope fully they will launch something to under cut 1660 otherwise I am gonna buy it in this holiday
5500 xt is disappointment
Hi Steve excellent video. Any chance you'd do a revisit on the Vega cards in late 2019? They are a bit of a black Friday deal atm
Nothing can beat my RX 580 in value. NOTHIN.. 🤘🏻😤
rx 570