This took far too long to make, I've been working on it since June. Of course if the lakes didn't exist it probably would have had far greater ramifications in Earth's climate, but this video is to show how simple changes to the map can have drastic results. I know it's ridiculous, you know it is. Lets watch the butterfly effect on full display.
No offence but this is bull. You're thinking on a way to short of a scale. You should probably have a look at the history of Long Island and Staten Island and then at the previous interglacial period.
I don't think it would make that much of a difference since gunpowder ended up spreading throughout Eurasia within a few centuries anyways, and it wouldn't be until the late 14th century that gunpowder weapons actually developed to the point where they could start to replace the roles of traditional weapons.
Then Russia probably would have kept Alaska instead of selling it if they were physically connected. But it's such a remote and desolate part of the world, I don't really see how this would change much?
@@retrowave69 Would it have escalated beyond "a cold war"? 'Sleepless in Seattle" would have been a cold war movie instead of a romantic comedy if Russia deployed nukes in Alaska though :p
At first I was thinking. "No great lakes?" Easy, no canada and maybe some southern states stay independent countries." Then I realized there was no 'Merica
Hard to know really. Without the great lakes the east coast could have become a colonial race like the caribbean, and maybe we would have dozens of tiny countries instead.
To be honest if this happened there would in my opinion India and the North American regions would be Africa and the Middle East a massive fucking mess.
probably speak franklich or anglois, a rich culture of complaining and doing nothing about it until its way too late, enemies on every border and the industrial revolution wouldve secured total world domination.
Michigan wouldn't be a mitten to warm its people during the Winter. Michigan wouldn't be a Michigan, a wouldn't have a reason to get tourists to visit Michigan. Detroit will be even worse.
But the revolutionary war would be fought for the ideal of the right to a be a white supremacist and a slave owner, so the USA would literally be founded on the right to hold slaves in this time line.
The Revolutionary War is only called that because we won and called it that. It was a civil war in reality. A revolution overthrows the current regime, it doesn't split off from it.
Hayden’s Mobile games gameplay nah, the rising sea levels would fill the basin. It’s an interesting topic really, as it seems like the opposite should happen.
you wouldn't even realize that Lake Eire was even missing...only a vague notion that your reality was off by some strange aspect that you should have spotted earlier but somehow missed
As someone from Michigan, this is awesome! I'd like to add a modern mention to the importance of the great lakes, and that's the transportation of ore. The ability to ship millions of tons of iron ore from the wisconsin area faster and more effectively than by train to steel mills and manufacturers in Detroit, Ohio, etc was a major reason that the US was able to mobilize so incredibly efficiently during the World Wars. There were significant defensive measures taken to prevent Germans from bombing the locks from Superior, so without the lakes, railroads could have been much more easily destroyed, crippling the American war economy, and possibly leading to a much less effective America in the World Wars.
Don't you think Spain would've taken most of what we know as French Louisiana if the French hadn't moved as far. And if Napoleon didn't exist, Spain would've kept its colonial empire for longer, and maybe even taken English land.
I don't think so. The Spanish government / Spanish Crown was in deep trouble. The Napoleon wars, the revolutions that followed were just the final blow to Spanish power. I like to compare it to the fall of the HRE. It was an inevitability at that time, Napoleon was the last straw but not the root cause.
@@MstAsterix Spain's decline began during the second half of the 1600s by France's continuous wars against Spain's empire. If they hadn't had as much colonial territory as they did in our timeline, they wouldn't have been as able to defeat Spain in Europe, much less in the Americas
I think the lake effect would leave most of modern populated canada and the interior US states north of Kentucky and Southern Oklahoma (mountain barrier) to the Rockies with either a Siberian or sub boreal climate (ie eastern europe). That Teays river system may very well have frozen in the winter like the Volga
Russia likely would've carved up a part of Northern Korea (or perhaps have taken all of it like the Japanese did) and the Manchuria region of China for themselves.
Very much so correct,and the french revolution would happen as well. The impetus for the war was more the english civil war then the american independence proclamation.
@@heraadrian7764 But what about the debt the French incurred by helping the American Colonies? Also remember if the Seven Years war is JUST the Seven Years war than French defeat would be the same as the several European only wars that occurred before. Redistricting until the next war. It wouldn't have been the birth of the British hegemony.
@@Sakraida82 Why is the british hegemony any concern like today they were izolationist concerning the european continent. France is more important to the modern world because of it's class conflict that made the modern equalitarian model this was made so, by progress în industry ,,if we can live better why can we not live better,, any one would think.History would change a bit but the fall of the european empires is a give and by there end we go back to tradition democracy. Meaning even if the monarchy did not die from overspending the culmination of wars would make a ww1 eventualy. People know of the democratic thinking of the ancients were do you thinks the congress got there ideas from the roman and the greek thinkers. Funny is that the Roman Empire(Republic) was build by representative democracy and died by tirany.
@Reilly Pryma The American Revolution was a proxy war betwen Britain and France like the USA and USSR fighting in coreean,the same to be franc, a reality they don't teach in the vermacular of american education, so yes the french would try to support every try to oust the brits. Maybe no Napoleon but if you heard of zetgeist , we still get some one similar, i mean, not of nobility but of common origin taking power making it a free for all to take political power,France being most likelly but not obligatory. Europe was a powder cheag so no killing like morons is out of the question,at least how were more sane with the Union.
Bruh, I'm from Southern Ontario, the Great lakes are my LIFE. Huron to the North, Erie to the South, and Ontario to the East. And I currently live in Toronto.
This might be a magnum opus of yours. This is everything this series should be. Thank you for all you do. As someone who does tons of history and political work- these are beyond relaxing to experience. They are everything we wish we could do and more. This is certainly a crown jewel.
If Titanic didn't sink it would become just another early 20th century ocean liner. It would likely be drafted with its two sister ships and the big Cunard liners into the Royal Navy. If it is drafted as a troopship it would likely be torpedoed and sunk, making it the second largest ship to sink during the great war (after its sister Britannic of course). If it is drafted as a hospital ship it would probably survive the war and re enter transatlantic service with Olympic, Mauretania, and Aquitania. The war would still take a major toll on the profits of the White Star and Cunard lines, and would still probably be forced to merge by the British government like in our timeline. However this is where I believe the biggest difference would arise. At the start of the great war the White Star line was already weakened economically by Titanic, and thus when White Star merged with Cunard it received a substantially smaller stake in the new "Cunard-White Star Line" than its rival. If Titanic didn't sink, I believe White Star would receive close to an equal stake in the company. In our timeline, Cunard's division bought the dwindling White Star assets out of the company, and took over rebranding the company back to "Cunard Line". Immediately Cunard began retiring many of the older liners like Olympic and Mauretania. If White Star had stuck around for longer, we would probably see much longer service lives of these liners, now including Titanic. They would probably begin the retirement process in the late 30s, but as we know WW2 would break out. At this point due to their age, the ships would most likely be sold off completely to the Royal Navy. Their fates in this war are really up in the air. Aquitania and the new RMS Queen Mary managed to survive the war in our timeline, so who knows. If Titanic survives WW2 it would likely be scrapped at the end of the war or turned into some sort of recreational body like Queen Mary eventually was. In the end, Titanic would be notable, but likely outshined by liners like Queen Mary, Lusitania, and even her two sisters.
If tobacco never existed, the Jamestown colony would've failed, and the colonization of America would've taken longer than in our timeline, which means that colonization would've only sped up after the introduction and economic viability of cotton production started some time later leading to American independence happening much later, if at all because Britain could've become too powerful for Americans to resist in the 19th century, but the American revolution could've been partly motivated by Britain threatening the planters' economic interests over the abolition of slavery, unless the planters' were financially compensated for their loss over abolition. The need for a cash crop to replace tobacco could've led to the invention of the cotton gin much sooner than in our timeline, which was what made cotton more commercially viable. The lack of tobacco would've also delayed the expansion of slavery into mainland America since slave labor was used to grow tobacco. And the West Indies would've been more contested by Spain and Britain over control of the lucrative sugar trade to make up for much of mainland America being economically unviable at the time
Agree. This not well thought out in many aspect. For one thing, all of the water in the norther region still has to drain though the St. Lawrence basin. The most logical idea is that the North-South division as it is understand today might take a very different form. But keep in mind, no matter what, there would still have to be a huge river system many waterways in what is now the Great Lakes region.
Damn Cody, you’re really developing into quite the mature historian and this video proves it! I’m glad to have grown with you over the years as I’ve been subscribed to you for 5+ years now I think! Keep up the good work and continue your book series cuz I bought you book a few months ago and it has a LOT of potential to grow into a massive universe IF you choose to pursue it!
Amen :D I'm from Chicago, far from the Atlantic Ocean, but Lake Michigan feels like an ocean of its own; only better; swimming in it doesn't give one a salty tongue :D
One thing I dislike about most alternate history or time travel in fiction is that the message almost always that if you change things just a little, things turn out differently - almost always for the worse. It's that last part I have trouble with. Do we really think *this* is the best possible world? This video was nice because it didn't turn out worse, only very, very different.
@@Coygon I've always thought the same thing but I guess there wouldn't be much tension in a movie if messing with history actually caused a better outcome
"Could be worse". Guy we literally live in a world where you have an infinite amount of performers on your magic glowing slab of glass and can order anything to be delivered to your door from anywhere on the flipp'n planet. Also what you consider bad or good and how you weigh how good or bad something is, is not universally true. For example: Does America existing outweigh WWII not happening? Who the hell knows.
Yeah I always find that message of “this is the best timeline” to be cliche. Wouldn’t it be more interesting if we had the Main Character change the timeline to a arguably better one but ends up erasing a family member?
We Ontarians would lose our awesome looking peninsula of Southern Ontario without the great lakes. People of Michigan, you aren't alone. Edit: It really like it when someone talks about my home region. Edit 2: This video is really good
But nobody would likely care about them so very little people would actually go there. So the areas of New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, and Prince Edward Island from our timeline would most likely part of some large colony while Newfoundland and Labrador would exist at a small extent in this alternate timeline
@@declannewton2556 The second most valuable staple of what would become Canada in the 17th century was cod. Without a means to acquire beaver pelts the French would have put more effort into acquiring and holding Newfoundland. One of the Iberville brothers did capture it but reverted back as part of a treaty. If it were of greater value the French might have been more determined to keep it.
@@johnkilmartin5101 Yes, fishing would Canada's greatest asset in this timeline, but fishing in a wider sense isn't that big of an industry. Very few colonists would go to these colder areas for work that pays less in comparison to the fertile river valleys and lucrative farms of the Southern colonies. Again, only a small portion of Newfoundland and Labrador would be colonized, based mainly along the coast since there would be no need to go into the interior.
This was certainly a hell of a butterfly effect. Along similar lines, what if the Western Interior Seaway still existed in modern times, dividing North America into Appalachia and Laramidia?
You mean like the sea in dinosaur times? If so, I think you've turned West Virginia into a new Britain or Japan when they break off of whoever colonizes them
Saliva OH, I like the Christianity one. Given the influence Christianity had on history, the world might look drastically different had it never split from Judaism.
Акежан Толеухан the Germans spoke different dialects in each city. It is hard to call the Scandinavians more differential, when they used to speak the same dialect, Norse.
My… my god would we dump baguettes in the Boston harbor and have to scream “THE FRENCH ARE COMING!” IF the French actually decided to dump a couple hundred thousand on the coast to fight Britain out during the colonization periods?
Brooklyn-Manhattan 2010 Calgary lies on the Bow River, which is part of a river system which originates from the Hudson Bay, and not the Great Lakes. It would still exist, as colonists in the west would likely settle the city in this location.
Or if France went further into Germany in 1939 than just a few miles and reached and maybe cross the Rhine after taking the Rhineland. They met little if any resistance because the Germany army was to busy in Poland
@@Canada1994 No. France's army was built for slow trench warfare. They had the numbers and training, but not the strategy or even tanks, which were also built for trench warfare. France could only pose a MAJOR threat with the entire British army backing them. Once France gains a bit of ground, Germany finishes Poland, tells Italy that there's a prime opportunity to attack France in the south and France still falls. There may or may not be a battle of Dunkirk (or at least the alt version) and Hitler gives Italy Southern France since they attacked sooner and I bet would reach Nice before the French Army pushes them back.
@@superkamiguru6856 Mussolini would've stayed neutral still. He went against Hitler's word and refused to join the war when Poland was invaded. He knew that the Italian army was still in poor shape (his experts were telling him that Italy would not be ready until 1941 or 1942). He only joined the war because he thought he would only fight for a few weeks, France falls, Britain negotiates peace, and he gets some spoils of war without really fighting. Italy lacked the economic strength for a long war (they still didn't recover from the invasion of Ethiopia) that's why he waited until France was days from falling
@@zrader1 he did, he told them to retreat if the French showed any resistance since Germany's army was still very small at that time (I don't know if it was still on the 100 thousand limit under Versailles or not). Germany used psychological warfare when they remilitarized the Rhineland by making the German Army look larger by constantly moving troops in and out of the Rhineland to make it look like more were coming when in fact it was the same troops over and over again
More like the whole concept of Canada is pretty much compromised with this alternate timeline, with Canada becoming this sort of Northern United States-Canada hybrid.
17th and 18th century Austria wasn't weak. Good army. Huge influence. Austria-Hungary wasn't good in the great war cause of Kaiser Franz-Joseph and his politics. It got better with Blessed Karl but it was too late.
Cody: And for you Canadians, you already know how central these lakes are. Me who's lived almost exclusively in Manitoba and Alberta, neither of them close to the Great Lakes: (though if Lake Agassiz were still a thing, I'd have been born underwater...)
@@CanuckGod I mean, most of the population lives in Ontario and Quebec, which rely heavily on the Great lakes. Canada could have been insanely powerful if Lake Winnipeg was much larger, and had a canal to the Great Lakes.
@@enotsnavdier6867 Fair enough, though I still cringe when others assume Ontario & Quebec = all of Canada. Granted, the majority of them do live there, but there's still over 12 million people in Western Canada, and another couple million in the Maritimes.
@@CanuckGod I do get it, the west has gotten the shaft for a long time. I love that we let in so many immigrants, but I wish we were better at incentivizing them to live in the parries. Also the Maritimes are an interesting issue that is difficult to solve.
Imagine a book set in this alternate timeline's 1800s during the civil war between the Confederates and the UK/Thirteen Colonies. That'd be a whole new twist of alternate history books.
What if WW1 never happened, and the defining Cold War of the 20th century was England and France, both with nuclear weapons, huge militaries, and proxies all over the world?
If you look at European history war is a common thing very evident if you look at the combatants and there nation and objectiv goals. Ww 1th to 2th to the Cold War ,these wars were one single war to be sincere.Most of the same.
@@Devin_Stromgren There are more than two oceans to see, and even ignoring that, the Atlantic and Pacific look different enough to tell them apart based on the colour.
at a glace, it seems like it might be possible that horses never would have gone extinct in America if it weren’t for the disappearance of the Teays River, so it’s possible that Native Americans would have beasts of burden, setting them on a course for a similar level of technology as the Eurasia
Nova but Hitler only came to power playing on the weaknesses that the Great Depression had exposed mixed with the conditions of the treaty of Versailles, but I feel that there would still be a conflict just on a smaller scale to the ~75million deaths WW2 caused
I think that your biggest oversight was how you really underplayed France's interest in the Louisiana exploration. If France couldn't get involved in Canada and the great lakes as easily, they probably would have pursued traveling up the Mississippi more than in our timeline. Also the tension between France and England would have probably boiled over at a different time, not necessarily the 7 years war, but perhaps a different conflict a bit later or something. It's always a bit hard to predict different conflicts since the lack of something means that people didn't have the same memories. Of course, butterfly effect style, realistically, if the Great Lakes didn't exist you can't predict any specific person being born if their life or there ancestor's life could, however remotely, have been affected by this reality.
I legitimately want to see a mini series about each and every one of althistoryhub's videos, they sound like genuinely interesting scenarios to explore on a more personal level.
Nothing happens, becouse that library was just the biggest and not the only one. Also most of writing there wouldn't be used to do anything practical and overall we would just had more sources on ancient times. Not groung-shattering changes.
@@Spongebrain97 great point, I am pointing out also because of the automobile industry being connected with the rest of the world and the glaciers leaving behind many valuable minerals that caused the iron and copper rushes of the UP to the point that at one point 75% of the worlds iron came from the UP and 95% (!!!) Of copper
Well it'd be waaaayyy more arduous as the Pacific lengths about twice that of the Atlantic. Which means you can double all the odds that Europeans had coming to America as well as all the odds of staying in trade and supply from their mother nations. And consequently if they eventually revolted from said nations their chances of winning would be doubled as well.
Something I wanted was Paradox to make the Great Lakes and St. Lawrence navigable. France would had never gotten the land it had in history without them.
This video gave me an interesting idea: What if Germany was allied with the UK instead of Austria in WW1? (If the war even breaks out in that scenario or maybe it's also just very different) Btw. I think this video shows the biggest butterfly effect I have ever heard of. What a lot of stuff the existence of a body of water can effect, amazing.
Easy the war wouldn't break out, because Austria would be staged against Germany, Britain and Russia. In this timeline the death of Franz Ferdinand would lead to a civil war and the collapse of Austrian-Hungarian state.
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This took far too long to make, I've been working on it since June. Of course if the lakes didn't exist it probably would have had far greater ramifications in Earth's climate, but this video is to show how simple changes to the map can have drastic results. I know it's ridiculous, you know it is. Lets watch the butterfly effect on full display.
Can you do an alternate lore video on the children of men
What if money was never invented........
What if Europe never existed?
No offence but this is bull. You're thinking on a way to short of a scale. You should probably have a look at the history of Long Island and Staten Island and then at the previous interglacial period.
Could you do a video on if the Whisky rebellion never happened?
*Removing a little water from the face of Earth*
=> *History implodes*
It really does, all of human creation is a flyspeck compared to the rest of the world
@@TapOnX Well, welcome to the Anthropocene though.
A little water? They are the largest fresh water in the world...
@@ryanholland1946 Relative to the rest of the planets water? Little water - A Canadian.
@@ryanholland1946 Isn't it obvious, that my comment is a slight exaggeration? Calm down, little regional patriot.
Cody: what if we removed the Great Lakes?
The last 200 years of history: *why do I hear boss music?*
Longer than that
"What's up with this 400 year gap?"
Britain to North America: Hello There
Me a Michigander:
All hail Lelouch vi Britannia!
I feel like a "What if the Greek discovered gunpowder instead of the Chinese?" video would be a good one.
No.
It would be boring
@@sebastianlodge7549 Chinese are boring, greeks would conquest Persia
Greek fire would be very interesting
Better,what if Alexander lived or Pyrhus conquered Rome.
I don't think it would make that much of a difference since gunpowder ended up spreading throughout Eurasia within a few centuries anyways, and it wouldn't be until the late 14th century that gunpowder weapons actually developed to the point where they could start to replace the roles of traditional weapons.
Cody: lets remove the great lakes and see what happens!
Also Cody: uh oh, Uh Oh, *UH OH*
Señor Hilter Lousy stiff.
O-H
I-O
@@OfficialGeneralGrant haha
I shouldn’t have said that... I should not have said that...
Reminds me of that samonella video on dead boy hijinks.
What if the land bridge between Russia and Alaska never became submerged?
Then Russia probably would have kept Alaska instead of selling it if they were physically connected. But it's such a remote and desolate part of the world, I don't really see how this would change much?
@@BamBamGT1 the cold war would be very interesting.
Ionic Retro nah we would have invaded Russia In 1919 with much more of an objective and probably annex Alaska following the revolution.
bram callebert Alaska has a lot of oil, Russia kicked themselves when the Americans found oil in Alaska after they bought it
@@retrowave69 Would it have escalated beyond "a cold war"? 'Sleepless in Seattle" would have been a cold war movie instead of a romantic comedy if Russia deployed nukes in Alaska though :p
Cody: *Removes water*
History: *everything breaks down*
I'd like this, but the number is too perfect, so here, have a comment instead
If we didn’t have water a lot of things would break down including our cell genome structures. pretty sure we wouldn’t even exist
No america leads to no cold war, germans having a chance at winning ww2, heck ww1 could of been won by germans themselves lol
Cody: *Removes one bucket of water*
History: *Makes no sense anymore*
*confused screaming in the background*
Humans: *confused screaming*
This... is a bucket
Jerry Martin dear god
@@two5126
There's more
@Jack the Gestapo This reminds me of The War of the Bucket.
If we're going with butterfly effects from removing bodies of water, what if the Nile never existed?
What if the Mediterranean never existed
what if europe never existed
What if Germany never existed
I bet that would be an hour-long video
@@xander1052 Which one? Nazi, Wiemar, Prussia?
At first I was thinking. "No great lakes?" Easy, no canada and maybe some southern states stay independent countries."
Then I realized there was no 'Merica
Hard to know really. Without the great lakes the east coast could have become a colonial race like the caribbean, and maybe we would have dozens of tiny countries instead.
To be honest if this happened there would in my opinion India and the North American regions would be Africa and the Middle East a massive fucking mess.
No america leads to no cold war, germans having a chance at winning ww2, heck ww1 could of been won by germans themselves lol
Alternate history Hub is my second favorite hub on the internet
now hold up a second there
Hydra Co. this should have more likes
What if it was the first?
KnowledgeHub must be the first
As a farmer I understand why you would like Corn hub so much
What if England and France were connected by landmass?? no northsea
probably speak franklich or anglois, a rich culture of complaining and doing nothing about it until its way too late, enemies on every border and the industrial revolution wouldve secured total world domination.
Napoleon is going to have a field day
England wouldn't exist. It's Island status is pretty much the only thing that allowed England to protect itself from its much more powerful neighbors.
so if Dogerland never sank under the sea
One of these places wouldn’t exist depending on where the most people decided to live
Cody: removes some watery bois
all of history: now its time to get funky
Michigan wouldn't be a mitten to warm its people during the Winter. Michigan wouldn't be a Michigan, a wouldn't have a reason to get tourists to visit Michigan. Detroit will be even worse.
There fortunately wouldn't be a Detroit.
@This Account has been deleted I live in detroit and that's just stuiped how maps dont add us
Flint probably wouldn't exist
@BrokeBot the Watson's go to Birmingham.
There might not be a Detroit
Spain: *Discovers Florida*
Florida: *Creates Florida Man*
Spain: Not what I expected, but okay.
"Give it to America, it's their problem now" -The Spanish probably
I live in florida and most so called “florida man” are white. Kinda ironic
Yes. As a Floridian I can confirm we are bat shit crazy and nuts
As someone who grew up in Spain. You should see my neighbourhood. Seriously. You'll understand.
Without the great lakes the map sure looks Erie,
It definitely looks like something is Missingan,
With the lakes it definitely looks Superior.
Stop
Huron to something dude
STOP IT SANS
Our lakes being gone really is a worst-case-Ontario
@@Frankenbutt99 - That's what I was going to go for.
as a michigander, watching the great lakes disappear was UPSETTING
As A northern Ohioan...
[Chuckles] I’m in danger
Same
I felt physically uncomfortable looking at the map without Michigan
@@FUDGECRAFT4848 we need more maps like that
Rorynne same
As a Michigander, this video’s existence makes me feel appreciated
Bit I’m a Ohioan
9 years in a row
OH
Understandable I’m also a Michigander
charlottesasaki I’m a Minnesotan same here
Who would win:
Arguably the most powerful and influential country in recent history
Some wet bois
Im one of dem wet boys I live near the lakes
I was looking for a comment like this. I was not disappointed.
"Some wet Bois" - James Charles, let that sink in.
AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
WE THREW OUT ITS LAKES
You mean Great Britain?
Who would win?
*Nearly all of history itself*
*Some water boys*
*Awaken theme intensifies*
“The picture of North America without the great lakes can’t hurt you, it dosen’t exist”
The picture of North America without the great lakes:
Boy, now. This took a dark turn. Eliminating the Great Lakes would've _prevented_ the _Revolutionary War,_ but _not_ the _Civil War._
To me, it can be the Revolutionary War with Civil War themes.
More like a fusion of sorts
But the revolutionary war would be fought for the ideal of the right to a be a white supremacist and a slave owner, so the USA would literally be founded on the right to hold slaves in this time line.
@@TheCherryTrader you say that like it is a different timeline from ours where the US was founded on that idea, openly or not.
The Revolutionary War is only called that because we won and called it that. It was a civil war in reality. A revolution overthrows the current regime, it doesn't split off from it.
Hey, could you do a similar episode on if the ancient inland sea of Australia was still around? Thanks.
it will be around in a few years
If climate change isn’t dealt with that is
@@lilchad-ig1oj So in other words Climate Change is great for Australia
Caprikel not really the increased temperatures would make our already huge deserts even larger
Hayden’s Mobile games gameplay nah, the rising sea levels would fill the basin. It’s an interesting topic really, as it seems like the opposite should happen.
"and so one small change, can affect all of us."
*like eating an undercooked bat soup*
Well...
More like improperly isolating a lab on bat viruses
This feels too much like recycled Ebola theories.
No, no, it has actually been confirmed.
Not by some crackpot online either.
@@benfed4873 Your statement seems legit, the undercooked bat theory seems racist.
Oh, yeah
That was the prevailing theory
We thought that a bat from a wet market caused it
Now we know better
I don’t know why I laughed so much at 5:57 “Bing bang boom, doesn’t this look familiar”
Because you’re brain dread
Fat Earther pussy lol
@@Simon-cz2bq asshole lol
@@Simon-cz2bq iM GoNa wEpOt YoU fOr bOlLyiNg
"I got a German too"
It would mean that I wouldn’t have a camper by Lake Erie anymore.
@Virbank yes, you'll never know
Why does your profile pic match the way i imagine you would say this
you wouldn't even realize that Lake Eire was even missing...only a vague notion that your reality was off by some strange aspect that you should have spotted earlier but somehow missed
aidan tuck Yet you dickheads come here for Cedar Point.
As a wise man once said, damn daniel
🤘🏻🤥🤘🏻
As someone from Michigan, this is awesome!
I'd like to add a modern mention to the importance of the great lakes, and that's the transportation of ore. The ability to ship millions of tons of iron ore from the wisconsin area faster and more effectively than by train to steel mills and manufacturers in Detroit, Ohio, etc was a major reason that the US was able to mobilize so incredibly efficiently during the World Wars. There were significant defensive measures taken to prevent Germans from bombing the locks from Superior, so without the lakes, railroads could have been much more easily destroyed, crippling the American war economy, and possibly leading to a much less effective America in the World Wars.
Alex Morgan not to mention the automotive companies wouldn’t have existed since they all (besides Tesla) came from Michigan.
This man literally just took Michigan and yeeted it out the window
Don't you think Spain would've taken most of what we know as French Louisiana if the French hadn't moved as far. And if Napoleon didn't exist, Spain would've kept its colonial empire for longer, and maybe even taken English land.
Good point.
R.I.P. Mexico
I don't think so. The Spanish government / Spanish Crown was in deep trouble. The Napoleon wars, the revolutions that followed were just the final blow to Spanish power. I like to compare it to the fall of the HRE. It was an inevitability at that time, Napoleon was the last straw but not the root cause.
@@MstAsterix Spain's decline began during the second half of the 1600s by France's continuous wars against Spain's empire. If they hadn't had as much colonial territory as they did in our timeline, they wouldn't have been as able to defeat Spain in Europe, much less in the Americas
@@lucasesteban48 Also, if the Spanish had discovered gold in California, that would have been a lot more income for them.
This deserves a part 2, on Europe and the more global effects
The Nightman Cometh definitely there were so many things he chose not to touch on that he could probably do a series on this timeline alone!
I was gonna say, he could write another book on it!
Yeah we need more of this topic
In an alternate Timeline Each question would be its own mini-series exploring the hypotheticals instead of the one vid per topic format we have now
I think the lake effect would leave most of modern populated canada and the interior US states north of Kentucky and Southern Oklahoma (mountain barrier) to the Rockies with either a Siberian or sub boreal climate (ie eastern europe). That Teays river system may very well have frozen in the winter like the Volga
Britain: We shaped America
The great lakes: Hold my water
Great Lakes: *exist*
Cody: *snaps*
Seven Years' War: Cody I don't feel so good
History: Mr Stark i don’t feel so good.
What if Russia won the Russo-Japanese War please.
이동연 well, the Soviet one or the tsar one?
Christian Bustnes Tsar Russia oh course!
Russia likely would've carved up a part of Northern Korea (or perhaps have taken all of it like the Japanese did) and the Manchuria region of China for themselves.
marios gianopoulos That one is a good theory too!
GODDAMN BRILLIANT
*CSA:* "I am inevitable"
USA: "And I...am America."
@@KingDerpy13 *snaps fingers in Appomattox surrender*
and shall rise again...and again
Are you guys making a bootleg end game
1750s war still happens, but it's sparked by Prussia and Austria fighting over Silesia, again.
Very much so correct,and the french revolution would happen as well. The impetus for the war was more the english civil war then the american independence proclamation.
@@heraadrian7764 But what about the debt the French incurred by helping the American Colonies? Also remember if the Seven Years war is JUST the Seven Years war than French defeat would be the same as the several European only wars that occurred before. Redistricting until the next war. It wouldn't have been the birth of the British hegemony.
@@Sakraida82 Why is the british hegemony any concern like today they were izolationist concerning the european continent. France is more important to the modern world because of it's class conflict that made the modern equalitarian model this was made so, by progress în industry ,,if we can live better why can we not live better,, any one would think.History would change a bit but the fall of the european empires is a give and by there end we go back to tradition democracy. Meaning even if the monarchy did not die from overspending the culmination of wars would make a ww1 eventualy. People know of the democratic thinking of the ancients were do you thinks the congress got there ideas from the roman and the greek thinkers. Funny is that the Roman Empire(Republic) was build by representative democracy and died by tirany.
@Reilly Pryma The American Revolution was a proxy war betwen Britain and France like the USA and USSR fighting in coreean,the same to be franc, a reality they don't teach in the vermacular of american education, so yes the french would try to support every try to oust the brits. Maybe no Napoleon but if you heard of zetgeist , we still get some one similar, i mean, not of nobility but of common origin taking power making it a free for all to take political power,France being most likelly but not obligatory. Europe was a powder cheag so no killing like morons is out of the question,at least how were more sane with the Union.
as a person from Michigan, i can say that map is very cursed
I gotta subscribe I'm from Michigan too
ThatGuyWhoMakeRandomStuff same
Music Tracks I gotta sub to you because I’m also from Michigan
Michigan here
@@nocommentary9928 death to alllll offff youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
Michigander here and I must admit, I got triggered at the start. Where’s my Great Lakes Crew !!!
Fourth Coast Represent !!!
As a Michigander i saw the title and thought goodbye Ohio lol
Carl I’m Minnesotan so I feel superior.
RedRavenGames also goodbye michigan
If their is one thing that I think we can all agree on. Great Lakes Freighters are cool looking.
Bruh, I'm from Southern Ontario, the Great lakes are my LIFE. Huron to the North, Erie to the South, and Ontario to the East. And I currently live in Toronto.
This might be a magnum opus of yours.
This is everything this series should be.
Thank you for all you do.
As someone who does tons of history and political work- these are beyond relaxing to experience. They are everything we wish we could do and more. This is certainly a crown jewel.
What if Denmark and USA had traded Greenland for Alaska as Harry Truman proposed in 1946?
American gasoline would be alot more expensive, I know that as a fact.
Just do what if Trump buys Greenland
The people of Greenland would be rich af.
@@accessthemainframe4475 USA does own Alaska... If that had happened Denmark would have Alaska and USA would have Greenland.
Alaska wasn't a part of the deal. America only offered millions (somewhere between 40-100) in gold bars
-What if tobacco never existed?
-What if the Titanic never sank?
-What if the Amazon was a desert?
If Titanic didn't sink it would become just another early 20th century ocean liner. It would likely be drafted with its two sister ships and the big Cunard liners into the Royal Navy. If it is drafted as a troopship it would likely be torpedoed and sunk, making it the second largest ship to sink during the great war (after its sister Britannic of course). If it is drafted as a hospital ship it would probably survive the war and re enter transatlantic service with Olympic, Mauretania, and Aquitania. The war would still take a major toll on the profits of the White Star and Cunard lines, and would still probably be forced to merge by the British government like in our timeline. However this is where I believe the biggest difference would arise. At the start of the great war the White Star line was already weakened economically by Titanic, and thus when White Star merged with Cunard it received a substantially smaller stake in the new "Cunard-White Star Line" than its rival. If Titanic didn't sink, I believe White Star would receive close to an equal stake in the company. In our timeline, Cunard's division bought the dwindling White Star assets out of the company, and took over rebranding the company back to "Cunard Line". Immediately Cunard began retiring many of the older liners like Olympic and Mauretania. If White Star had stuck around for longer, we would probably see much longer service lives of these liners, now including Titanic. They would probably begin the retirement process in the late 30s, but as we know WW2 would break out. At this point due to their age, the ships would most likely be sold off completely to the Royal Navy. Their fates in this war are really up in the air. Aquitania and the new RMS Queen Mary managed to survive the war in our timeline, so who knows. If Titanic survives WW2 it would likely be scrapped at the end of the war or turned into some sort of recreational body like Queen Mary eventually was.
In the end, Titanic would be notable, but likely outshined by liners like Queen Mary, Lusitania, and even her two sisters.
@@RojoFern The people mate. Some of them could have changed history
Can never say.
If tobacco never existed, the Jamestown colony would've failed, and the colonization of America would've taken longer than in our timeline, which means that colonization would've only sped up after the introduction and economic viability of cotton production started some time later leading to American independence happening much later, if at all because Britain could've become too powerful for Americans to resist in the 19th century, but the American revolution could've been partly motivated by Britain threatening the planters' economic interests over the abolition of slavery, unless the planters' were financially compensated for their loss over abolition. The need for a cash crop to replace tobacco could've led to the invention of the cotton gin much sooner than in our timeline, which was what made cotton more commercially viable. The lack of tobacco would've also delayed the expansion of slavery into mainland America since slave labor was used to grow tobacco. And the West Indies would've been more contested by Spain and Britain over control of the lucrative sugar trade to make up for much of mainland America being economically unviable at the time
@@CountingStars333 (cough) (cough) , the federal reserve.
another thing is Britain wouldn't have invested as heavily in India
Until we discovered that Tea is cheaper when you don't buy it from allies :P
_WHAT IF THE GREAT LAKES NEVER EXISTED?_
*Me, as an intellectual:* I DON'T NEED SLEEP, I NEED ANSWERS.
Agree. This not well thought out in many aspect. For one thing, all of the water in the norther region still has to drain though the St. Lawrence basin. The most logical idea is that the North-South division as it is understand today might take a very different form.
But keep in mind, no matter what, there would still have to be a huge river system many waterways in what is now the Great Lakes region.
Being from Michigan it would definitely make it harder for me to locate my state on a map.
When I first clicked on this, I thought this would be about the geography of the region. How it would affect the landscape.
Boy, was I wrong.
Damn Cody, you’re really developing into quite the mature historian and this video proves it! I’m glad to have grown with you over the years as I’ve been subscribed to you for 5+ years now I think! Keep up the good work and continue your book series cuz I bought you book a few months ago and it has a LOT of potential to grow into a massive universe IF you choose to pursue it!
WHEN. Not IF
Wait what's the name of his book series? I didn't know this
He wrote books? About what?
@@thomastakesatollforthedark2231
The Atlantropa Articles.
Amen :D I'm from Chicago, far from the Atlantic Ocean, but Lake Michigan feels like an ocean of its own; only better; swimming in it doesn't give one a salty tongue :D
JediDanD I’m from Northern Indiana and I agree. My family would visit Chicago a lot when I was young. I loved swimming in Lake Michigan.
This would also mean the UK would never have to colonise Australia and the Dutch would create a colony there
Imagine Australians with dutch accents.
Bloedige australie maat
@@parkedvanproductions8059 Then not a lot would change, because Dutch is already sort of ugly as ****
@@martijn9568 rest of the world "tree" or some similar variation Dutch "BOOM!"
@@parkedvanproductions8059 I love mah language, making English laugh since I don't know what year.
Me: near Lake Michigan, just chilling
Alternate history hub: releases this video
Me again: ahhhhhhhdhdiosiebdbdhsj
lol
you near lake what?
Baby rage
Lol
The Great Lakes are very important, with out them, the US may not exist, and without the US, world history would be so different.
These videos make me wonder if we're in a kind of "Neutral" timeline.
Not bad, but it could be worse. Pretty good, but it could be better.
One thing I dislike about most alternate history or time travel in fiction is that the message almost always that if you change things just a little, things turn out differently - almost always for the worse. It's that last part I have trouble with. Do we really think *this* is the best possible world? This video was nice because it didn't turn out worse, only very, very different.
Coe T. That is completely relative to your perspective.
@@Coygon I've always thought the same thing but I guess there wouldn't be much tension in a movie if messing with history actually caused a better outcome
"Could be worse". Guy we literally live in a world where you have an infinite amount of performers on your magic glowing slab of glass and can order anything to be delivered to your door from anywhere on the flipp'n planet. Also what you consider bad or good and how you weigh how good or bad something is, is not universally true. For example: Does America existing outweigh WWII not happening? Who the hell knows.
Yeah I always find that message of “this is the best timeline” to be cliche.
Wouldn’t it be more interesting if we had the Main Character change the timeline to a arguably better one but ends up erasing a family member?
Thanos: *Snaps Great Lakes*
Everyone: *Confused Screaming*
as I a minnesotan, who fell into lake superior as a toddler, I can’t imagine a world w/o the great lakes
I guess lake superior really is superior after all
We Ontarians would lose our awesome looking peninsula of Southern Ontario without the great lakes. People of Michigan, you aren't alone.
Edit: It really like it when someone talks about my home region.
Edit 2: This video is really good
+1. Eh.
I am also from Southern Ontario, and without the Great Lakes, o Ontario wouldn't be Ontario!
The Canadian provinces of New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, Newfoundland and Labrador would probably still be settled to some extent.
Yeah
But nobody would likely care about them so very little people would actually go there.
So the areas of New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, and Prince Edward Island from our timeline would most likely part of some large colony while Newfoundland and Labrador would exist at a small extent in this alternate timeline
@@declannewton2556 The second most valuable staple of what would become Canada in the 17th century was cod. Without a means to acquire beaver pelts the French would have put more effort into acquiring and holding Newfoundland. One of the Iberville brothers did capture it but reverted back as part of a treaty. If it were of greater value the French might have been more determined to keep it.
@@johnkilmartin5101
Yes, fishing would Canada's greatest asset in this timeline, but fishing in a wider sense isn't that big of an industry.
Very few colonists would go to these colder areas for work that pays less in comparison to the fertile river valleys and lucrative farms of the Southern colonies.
Again, only a small portion of Newfoundland and Labrador would be colonized, based mainly along the coast since there would be no need to go into the interior.
There were only 60 000 colonists in New France in 1763. That is compared to roughly 3.5 million in the 13 colonies.
Me, A Michigander: Cries
Same
This was certainly a hell of a butterfly effect. Along similar lines, what if the Western Interior Seaway still existed in modern times, dividing North America into Appalachia and Laramidia?
You mean like the sea in dinosaur times? If so, I think you've turned West Virginia into a new Britain or Japan when they break off of whoever colonizes them
I second this idea.
There would be no humans
What if Christianity stayed a sect of Judaism?
What if Scandinavia United like Italy and Germany?
Saliva OH, I like the Christianity one. Given the influence Christianity had on history, the world might look drastically different had it never split from Judaism.
Scandinavia actually had been united for a bit
He should definitely do both of the ideas
aren't Norwegians, Danes and Swedish more different?
Акежан Толеухан the Germans spoke different dialects in each city. It is hard to call the Scandinavians more differential, when they used to speak the same dialect, Norse.
My… my god would we dump baguettes in the Boston harbor and have to scream “THE FRENCH ARE COMING!” IF the French actually decided to dump a couple hundred thousand on the coast to fight Britain out during the colonization periods?
I read “what if the greatest LAKERS never existed” and I got really excited for a second
What have the Ramones ever done for us?
No one would ever visit Canada
*video ends*
The Great CooLite You ever heard of Vancouver or Calgary?
@@CJetsPlanespotting
Why would Calgary exist?
Brooklyn-Manhattan 2010 Calgary lies on the Bow River, which is part of a river system which originates from the Hudson Bay, and not the Great Lakes. It would still exist, as colonists in the west would likely settle the city in this location.
@@CJetsPlanespottingokay.
As Austrian I like that Austrians dominating europe part
Trust me you don’t want this
What if the allies forced the Nazis to get out of the Rhineland, with brute Force if necessary in 1936?
Or if France went further into Germany in 1939 than just a few miles and reached and maybe cross the Rhine after taking the Rhineland. They met little if any resistance because the Germany army was to busy in Poland
@@Canada1994 No. France's army was built for slow trench warfare. They had the numbers and training, but not the strategy or even tanks, which were also built for trench warfare. France could only pose a MAJOR threat with the entire British army backing them. Once France gains a bit of ground, Germany finishes Poland, tells Italy that there's a prime opportunity to attack France in the south and France still falls. There may or may not be a battle of Dunkirk (or at least the alt version) and Hitler gives Italy Southern France since they attacked sooner and I bet would reach Nice before the French Army pushes them back.
@@superkamiguru6856 Mussolini would've stayed neutral still. He went against Hitler's word and refused to join the war when Poland was invaded. He knew that the Italian army was still in poor shape (his experts were telling him that Italy would not be ready until 1941 or 1942). He only joined the war because he thought he would only fight for a few weeks, France falls, Britain negotiates peace, and he gets some spoils of war without really fighting. Italy lacked the economic strength for a long war (they still didn't recover from the invasion of Ethiopia) that's why he waited until France was days from falling
i think Hitler told his armies to leave if the Allies showed up
@@zrader1 he did, he told them to retreat if the French showed any resistance since Germany's army was still very small at that time (I don't know if it was still on the 100 thousand limit under Versailles or not). Germany used psychological warfare when they remilitarized the Rhineland by making the German Army look larger by constantly moving troops in and out of the Rhineland to make it look like more were coming when in fact it was the same troops over and over again
Alternate History: *Thanos Snaps Great Lakes*
Me: *lives near Windsor, Ontario*
Me: haha I’m in danger
I also live in Windsor, Ontario, and I was a Geography Contest Finalist!
More like the whole concept of Canada is pretty much compromised with this alternate timeline, with Canada becoming this sort of Northern United States-Canada hybrid.
I live in Michigan so I would be in big danger
The Kryptic Archive Technically majority of Ontario population lives in southern Ontario adjacent to 3 lakes.... so they would all be in trouble
The river by me no longer exists, anyway canada and US = nothing
france:I have a german ally too
Austria:How UsE GuN
France:merde
17th and 18th century Austria wasn't weak. Good army. Huge influence. Austria-Hungary wasn't good in the great war cause of Kaiser Franz-Joseph and his politics. It got better with Blessed Karl but it was too late.
Idea for you: What if the Crusader States had survived?
God's Plan. .[T]/
@TVSupersonic Israel is a crusader state
@Red Crown Just like the Crusader States were
@@NoName-pi7ke the crusaders weren't Jewish
TapOnX No crusaders were Christians.
What if... *I* never existed?
The world would never be the same
Then i would never comment.
this comment wouldn't exist
I'd kill myself
Then your entire family timeline wouldn’t exist
And you are apart of Adam and Eve
So
That means no humans
Me: sees North America without the Great Lakes.
Me:*screams in native south Ontarian.*
For us, this would be an absolute win, no French in school
Cody: And for you Canadians, you already know how central these lakes are.
Me who's lived almost exclusively in Manitoba and Alberta, neither of them close to the Great Lakes:
(though if Lake Agassiz were still a thing, I'd have been born underwater...)
@@CanuckGod I mean, most of the population lives in Ontario and Quebec, which rely heavily on the Great lakes. Canada could have been insanely powerful if Lake Winnipeg was much larger, and had a canal to the Great Lakes.
@@enotsnavdier6867 Fair enough, though I still cringe when others assume Ontario & Quebec = all of Canada. Granted, the majority of them do live there, but there's still over 12 million people in Western Canada, and another couple million in the Maritimes.
@@CanuckGod I do get it, the west has gotten the shaft for a long time. I love that we let in so many immigrants, but I wish we were better at incentivizing them to live in the parries. Also the Maritimes are an interesting issue that is difficult to solve.
Chicago: *_exists_*
Polar Vortex: *it's free real estate*
Feels like this scenario would make for a good book!
Imagine a book set in this alternate timeline's 1800s during the civil war between the Confederates and the UK/Thirteen Colonies. That'd be a whole new twist of alternate history books.
I need someone to write this series so I can read it.
@@retrowave69 Uh... The Civil War literally took place 80 years after American independence.
Soy Based Jeremy watch the F-ing video
@@eamartig I did, and therefore no Confederacy.
0:02 something is wrong, I can feel it.
What if WW1 never happened, and the defining Cold War of the 20th century was England and France, both with nuclear weapons, huge militaries, and proxies all over the world?
Hemet chan you genius with a IQ of 420
if WW1 never happened there probably wouldn't have been a Cold War at all and the world would look insanely different than it does now
If you look at European history war is a common thing very evident if you look at the combatants and there nation and objectiv goals. Ww 1th to 2th to the Cold War ,these wars were one single war to be sincere.Most of the same.
Helmet Chan, WW1 was inevitable, based on alliances, goals from nations, Germany, and Nationalism
English 100
I think we need to donate money so Cody can see the ocean and fulfill his dreams.
I've seen both. They basically look the same.
@@Devin_Stromgren There are more than two oceans to see, and even ignoring that, the Atlantic and Pacific look different enough to tell them apart based on the colour.
at a glace, it seems like it might be possible that horses never would have gone extinct in America if it weren’t for the disappearance of the Teays River, so it’s possible that Native Americans would have beasts of burden, setting them on a course for a similar level of technology as the Eurasia
Michigan shaped like a glove: exists
Great Lakes disappearing: I'm about to end this man's whole career.
Wait a second
woah the leader of the lewish people, it's a great honor sir
Blasphemy
All hail the PC masterrace
Can you please make what if the Great Depression never happened?
Then I would’ve been considered a good president
@@herberthoover3529 ww2 would still likely be a problem
I like your idea.
Nova but Hitler only came to power playing on the weaknesses that the Great Depression had exposed mixed with the conditions of the treaty of Versailles, but I feel that there would still be a conflict just on a smaller scale to the ~75million deaths WW2 caused
@@herberthoover3529 "Just vote for Roosevelt and make it unanimous"
I think that your biggest oversight was how you really underplayed France's interest in the Louisiana exploration. If France couldn't get involved in Canada and the great lakes as easily, they probably would have pursued traveling up the Mississippi more than in our timeline. Also the tension between France and England would have probably boiled over at a different time, not necessarily the 7 years war, but perhaps a different conflict a bit later or something.
It's always a bit hard to predict different conflicts since the lack of something means that people didn't have the same memories. Of course, butterfly effect style, realistically, if the Great Lakes didn't exist you can't predict any specific person being born if their life or there ancestor's life could, however remotely, have been affected by this reality.
I legitimately want to see a mini series about each and every one of althistoryhub's videos, they sound like genuinely interesting scenarios to explore on a more personal level.
It would be a dirty Ohioan that would spend 16 minutes talking about the Great Lakes and only mention Michigan once. >:(
Nobody:
Florida Man: Laughs in crocodile
As a resident of Ohio, looking at that map without the Great Lakes makes me feel depressed.
This means no Cleveland Browns
Chicago and Cleveland, the two big polluters of our fresh water
@@kevn8910 Add Detroit, Toledo, Milwaukee, Buffalo, and South Bend and you have a toxic waste pit. Oh wait...
@@newsomberman4983 Uh, that's why the lakes are clean. Sounds like live in California, what a drought...
Layne Staley Vikings would be the only team in the NFC North
Michigan wouldn't be shaped like a mitten
Michigan gang where u at
And Wisconsin wouldn't be shaped like an Indian's head.
@@CassandraPantaristi XD
@@Electricparx That's what they taught me in school. XD
@@CassandraPantaristi I never thought of it that way XD
@@Electricparx I'm a Wisconsinite, so. XD
*Great lakes get snapped out of existence*
*lives in michigan*
Me: Hehe *IM IN DANGER*
1:13 “North America seems off”. As a Nova Scotian, I agree.
I have a suggestion for your next video, Cody: What if the Library of Alexandria was never destroyed?
We would have robots now
Malaysian Mapper but we already have robots??
@@connorneely3458 We probably would've explored Mars by now. Who knows.
Nothing happens, becouse that library was just the biggest and not the only one. Also most of writing there wouldn't be used to do anything practical and overall we would just had more sources on ancient times. Not groung-shattering changes.
@@connorneely3458 no but actually no
At some point I would love to see you do “What if the Jacobite Rebellions Succeeded” (either 1715 or 1745)
Proud Michigander here, without the lakes we wouldn't become a very important part of the late 19th and the entire 20th century
The lakes have been important since they were discovered by natives and later by europeans.
@@Spongebrain97 great point, I am pointing out also because of the automobile industry being connected with the rest of the world and the glaciers leaving behind many valuable minerals that caused the iron and copper rushes of the UP to the point that at one point 75% of the worlds iron came from the UP and 95% (!!!) Of copper
@@CRob172 Same with the logging industry. Which depended on the lakes.
@@soybasedjeremy3653 amen to that too! I live in one of the former logging towns in Eaton County so I wholehearty agree!
You are incorrect it was, in fact, Paul Bunyan that dug out those lakes for Babe. Not the Glaciers #athiestsdebunked
"I got a German friend too" as someone from Austria I loled
At 5:23, I got an ad saying, "Half the worlds children are homeless".
As close to perfection as you can get, TH-cam
As a person living in chicago, lake Michigan disappearing makes me uncomfortable
0:25 'The flat plains of Eurasia'
shows a stock video of hills
L o g I c
In other words, there would be the Confederacy instead of the Union.
Or a Union that was actually more partial to slavery. The founding ideology could have ridden in on it, but I doubt it would have.
The French still had the Mississippi River so what happened to that
7 seconds in and I bet I’m not first.
If the Great Lakes didn't exist you would still have the Okay Lakes :)
And Ricki Lake
The Meh Lakes
The not good lakes
The You Settled at 40 Lakes
The Store Brand Lakes
Being a Wisconsinite, this hurts my soul.
A what
@@teathesilkwing7616 a Wisconsinite, I'm from the state of Wisconsin.
Hi, I'm Me that’s what you’re called?
@@teathesilkwing7616 yes
(Cries in cheese)
Alternate History Hub my question for you to answer is
What if the 13 Colonies were on the West Coast?
They'd probably be Chinese or Japanese colonies rather than Europeans
@@saintsauce853 what if Japan or China had built West Coast Colonies?
*screams in confusion*
That would be odd
Well it'd be waaaayyy more arduous as the Pacific lengths about twice that of the Atlantic. Which means you can double all the odds that Europeans had coming to America as well as all the odds of staying in trade and supply from their mother nations. And consequently if they eventually revolted from said nations their chances of winning would be doubled as well.
What if the 1918 Flu Pandemic/Spanish Flu never existed?
Xiaohua Hu less people die 😂😂
The world population would probably be 1 and a half billion more people today.
OVERPOPULATION.
The GREAT LAKES are so important to North America 🇨🇦 🇺🇸 due it’s fresh water, which is the 2nd largest in the world
This would make a great eu4 mod
not really it would do literally nothing since in EU4 you cant put ships on rivers or lakes
Something I wanted was Paradox to make the Great Lakes and St. Lawrence navigable. France would had never gotten the land it had in history without them.
This video gave me an interesting idea: What if Germany was allied with the UK instead of Austria in WW1?
(If the war even breaks out in that scenario or maybe it's also just very different)
Btw. I think this video shows the biggest butterfly effect I have ever heard of. What a lot of stuff the existence of a body of water can effect, amazing.
Easy the war wouldn't break out, because Austria would be staged against Germany, Britain and Russia. In this timeline the death of Franz Ferdinand would lead to a civil war and the collapse of Austrian-Hungarian state.