How To Drill Bench Dog Holes

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  • @mauricegourmet
    @mauricegourmet 4 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    I’ve watched several dog hole making videos all of which required buying extra tool or jigs to be able to get perfectly square dog holes. Your video was so simple and easy. It’s amazing. Thanks for this. Goes to show you don’t need to buy a bunch of tools when you get creative.

  • @thematey3592
    @thematey3592 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Using peg boar as a template is nothing short of genius! Brilliant! Thank you for this great idea :)

    • @tohalloran
      @tohalloran ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah agreed. So smart 👏👏👏

  • @hughwilson4911
    @hughwilson4911 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    If you drill out a couple of the holes in the peg board to 3/4 or 19mm then you can use the dogs to locate the board for drilling additional holes in the bench top.

  • @babyc8427
    @babyc8427 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    i like your videos. A lot of woodworkers I follow have become more advanced over the years. However, you keep things on the novice level but with professional woodworking hacks!

  • @darlapike2507
    @darlapike2507 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    This was the best video I have seen on the subject of dog holes, so simple and useful. I'll be executing this today on my bench.

    • @commoncents456
      @commoncents456 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Good morning
      I ran across this bench dog video.
      Your comment saying you were going to do this project.
      How did it come out?
      Any updates you might share.
      I'm new to woodworking.
      Thanks Teddy

  • @ejicon3099
    @ejicon3099 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I've watched loads of dog hole jig making videos and your video is by far the most unconventional way to make these. I love it. Well done.

  • @johnvodopija
    @johnvodopija 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Using a piece of peg board is very clever. I will be using this method in future. Thank you 👍😎🇦🇺

  • @mr.beavis2202
    @mr.beavis2202 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is definitely the most effective way to make bench dog holes without needing fancy expensive equipment. Job well done!!!

  • @johnh5367
    @johnh5367 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Best idea I've seen for mapping out an MFT table, thank you so much!! A peg board as a drill marking jig, cheap and easy! Brilliant!

  • @brucenovotny5924
    @brucenovotny5924 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Man, what an excellent idea using the peg-board !!! I've been looking for a cheap way of marking my workbench top for dog holes, that'd give me accuracy and even spacing.
    THANK YOU for the wonderful solution.
    Liked & subscribed. 🙂👍🇨🇦

  • @Lutzboater
    @Lutzboater 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Great tip using the peg board. Gonna add a few dog holes in my bench very soon.

  • @natesteiner9361
    @natesteiner9361 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thanks for the vid, Anthony! Used a 3/4" forstner bit for the holes, appreciate the tip on keeping it straight using a square. Needed dog holes to hold a juice groove jig in place framing up a cutting board I made. Would have been a nightmare routing around with a bunch of clamps!

  • @WarriorKidd06
    @WarriorKidd06 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I've been searching and searching for someone to show how to do this without using something expensive or complicated and God finally brought me to this video. Thank you so much for this!!!! This is brilliant and I am very thankful. Going to use this for my Paulk Workbench build. You got a subscriber for sure now

    • @tonmackee
      @tonmackee ปีที่แล้ว +2

      So I was. Thought it wasn't worth to spending a lot of money just for the Jig . I was thinking of making all the measurements by myself until I get to this video.

  • @jeremyspecce
    @jeremyspecce 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    You should make an amazon affiliate store with all the dogs and clamps and stuff you used

    • @AnthonyScolaro1
      @AnthonyScolaro1  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Jeremy Specce I was thinking about it but I have to research if the affiliate program is worth the time and effort. I don’t have too much positive feedback on the subject as of yet.

    • @geolisadrag-racing2349
      @geolisadrag-racing2349 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      yes. some low to mid-range $ choices. There are thousands of clamps etc on Amazon with useless descriptions. i'd value affiliate links from a trusted builder like A.S.

  • @knowledge2100
    @knowledge2100 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Rebuilding my workmate and getting ready for dog holes, nice just using a spade blade and round out the top of the dog hole. Great video. Thanks for sharing.

  • @rossberning5952
    @rossberning5952 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Make your own bench dogs with some 3/4 dowel glued into a small wood block.
    For clamps the micro jig clamps work well if your bench is open under the top

    • @AnthonyScolaro1
      @AnthonyScolaro1  5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Ross Berning I actually purchased the microjig clamps like a week after I made this video, you can see me use them in my barn door video

  • @Alexpalanik
    @Alexpalanik 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I have some scrap peg board and will get at this today!!! I was thinking about doing this on my double plywood top, this video confirmed it for me

  • @bfcurtis23
    @bfcurtis23 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very great idea with peg board, I would say getting a self centering bit aka vix bit that fits perfectly in those holes would be perfect. Would help you drill the holes with any v point bit.

  • @geolisadrag-racing2349
    @geolisadrag-racing2349 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    👍THANKS. I have some medical limitations, so now, every project is a difficult project. i have come to think some bench dogs & clamps similar to those you had in this video, may simplify assembly & sanding. But i don't need CNC precision so the expense & complications involved with methods in other videos were exhausting to watch. I considered using a peg board sheet, but it is SO much better to see someone else try it first, So thanks very much. I shared the video with a few friends & i'll check out your other videos this week & subscribe if they're as helpful as this one.♿Lisa

    • @AnthonyScolaro1
      @AnthonyScolaro1  4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Geo/Lisa Drag-Racing glad this helped

  • @nore8141
    @nore8141 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great idea with the peg board. Seen a lot of others and it always seems so complicated. Thank you 🙏 ❤❤

  • @ladykenja2700
    @ladykenja2700 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    - Using the peg board certainly made it less complicated to place your dog holes. Thanx.

  • @4mfontanez
    @4mfontanez 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks for the video. This was a lot of help for me. Never really understood the point of all the dog holes and this was really cool. Happy holidays

  • @stranglerninja
    @stranglerninja 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Exactly what I needed on my flat bench top, great video!!

  • @rcboals
    @rcboals 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Peg board to lay out perfect 4" centers. So, glad I found your video on how to do this. Thanks to you my holes will all be in a perfect line. What are the long slots in the end of your table for?

    • @AnthonyScolaro1
      @AnthonyScolaro1  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Those slots are for the table saw miter gauge or crosscut sled, so when you use it for cross cutting, the guide bar doesn’t hit the workbench

  • @admaneb
    @admaneb 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Brilliant idea with the pegboard

  • @AutonomousVII
    @AutonomousVII 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just looking into adding some bench dogs and your video was great advice thanks for that.

  • @delboy5277
    @delboy5277 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Genius idea - much cheaper then forking out £60 for a CNC template 👍

  • @mvbusmc4572
    @mvbusmc4572 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    did you drill all the way through the bench top?

  • @maxhepburn4522
    @maxhepburn4522 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why not just tack the peg board (pin nailer) into table and go drill nuts

  • @manyfeather2knives423
    @manyfeather2knives423 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks, great idea with the peg board. Had planned on doing my dog holes tomorrow. Found this just in time.

  • @walter.bellini
    @walter.bellini 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for the great video Anthony, to the point and bam, done! Cost to make really zero! Clamp options are many, but the ones that you mentioned are really nice. Thumbs up

  • @jigsey.
    @jigsey. 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey just found your channel 😁 greetings from Ireland.. I'm trying to work out your accent, am I right in guess you are from new Jersey??... Great build btw I'm in the process of making an mft

    • @AnthonyScolaro1
      @AnthonyScolaro1  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hello Ireland! I’m originally from Bensonhurst Brooklyn. The accents are very close though.

  • @rickmcqueen9209
    @rickmcqueen9209 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    put my dog holes in my work bench today. Thanks for the peg board suggestion.

  • @dw_style1347
    @dw_style1347 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks for the great tips , I've been wanting to add bench dog holes to my bench and couldn't find a way to lay out the pattern.

  • @markt4567
    @markt4567 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Helpful video. Just what I needed. Never understood why most videos show holes across the entire bench top.

  • @johnkristoff2341
    @johnkristoff2341 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Anthony: Brilliant solution that avoids purchasing a Palf jig for $200 and change. Great insight. I'm in your debt. Many thanks. I'm now a subscriber. John

    • @markk4015
      @markk4015 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      +1. I thought the same thing, John. I was considering buying the parf guide system when I came across Anthony's video. He did an excellent job. Mark

  • @rustyreview
    @rustyreview 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    peg board is a great idea. thanks

  • @thevet7420
    @thevet7420 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What is the minimum thickness for the table top for bench dogs

    • @AnthonyScolaro1
      @AnthonyScolaro1  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I wouldn’t go less than 3/4” for two reasons. First, if the material is too thin, the bench dogs will not have enough support and when pressure it put on them, they will just tilt into the bench top and widen the dog holes. Then they will just fall out and won’t hold pressure against the workpiece. Second, you don’t want a bench top that’s too thin and you can’t hammer things on or put pressure to clamp things down on. You want something that you’re not afraid to really beat up.

  • @davehernandez4177
    @davehernandez4177 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thank you so much for this great video. You taken away my fear of drilling into my new work bench.

  • @trentyoung1135
    @trentyoung1135 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video, very helpful

  • @barnshopproductions7132
    @barnshopproductions7132 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks Anthony. Good info. Keep up the good content.

  • @brianfreeman8290
    @brianfreeman8290 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The company who made your clamps (AutoPro Armor) also make planing stops in two different sizes.

  • @furthernorthfab
    @furthernorthfab 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Using pegboard is super smart to mark out the hole locations

  • @bradkorndog857
    @bradkorndog857 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Anthony, great video! how thick is your bench top and how much empty space is beneath your bench top?

    • @AnthonyScolaro1
      @AnthonyScolaro1  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Brad Korndog it’s like a Frankenstein bench top, some areas are 3/4” and most of it is 1 & 1/2” due to the cabinet makers vice on the end and from the other end to almost the middle I doubled up the plywood for weight and to take abuse. Underneath I probably have about 19-20” of space

    • @bradkorndog857
      @bradkorndog857 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AnthonyScolaro1 thanks for such a quick and full reply! Pardon my ignorance, but how do bench dogs not just fall through?

    • @AnthonyScolaro1
      @AnthonyScolaro1  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Brad Korndog there are a few different types of bench dogs and different ways they hold their place. Some, like the ones I’m showing in this video, have a spring wire. That allows the dog to move up and down while keeping pressure against the sides of the hole. Other dogs have a shaft that fits in the 3/4” hole but the top has a lip larger than the hole, allowing it to rest on the table top to secure it.

    • @bradkorndog857
      @bradkorndog857 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AnthonyScolaro1 makes sense. Thanks! I plan on using dogs on my new bench! My top will be abnout 1.5 inches thick. Should be good with that

  • @edmc755
    @edmc755 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    WHY DO YOU NOT USE FORCING BIT TO DRILL THE HOLES ???

    • @AnthonyScolaro1
      @AnthonyScolaro1  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You could use them but it Takes too long and forstner bits are more suited for a drill press.

  • @user-in9xo6zo9p
    @user-in9xo6zo9p 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    love the accent... Ney york?? bench dawgg.. lol greetings from england.

  • @Smashachu
    @Smashachu 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Whoa whoa whoa, pegboard as a drill spacing jig? Alright that's pretty fucking genius.

  • @The_Njitram
    @The_Njitram 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Didn't know Joey Tribbiani did woodworking

  • @inebex63
    @inebex63 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very good friend

  • @killiancaignie6352
    @killiancaignie6352 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do the clamps have a specific name? Working on a project and I need to design a clamping system myself

  • @DuncanEdwards.
    @DuncanEdwards. 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    lol

  • @edmc755
    @edmc755 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Are all dog clamps holes 3/4 inch ??

    • @AnthonyScolaro1
      @AnthonyScolaro1  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The standard ones are usually 3/4”, the metric ones are 20mm like on Festool MFT tables

  • @mgrey9066
    @mgrey9066 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m just about to make holes for bench dogs. This really helps.

  • @galland3496
    @galland3496 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like that. Very good idea of using a piece of peg board to mark out. Many thanks.

  • @breslaj4
    @breslaj4 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If you use a plunge router with a 3/4 inch spiral upcut. It it goes a lot quicker and the holes are always at 90 degrees.

    • @AnthonyScolaro1
      @AnthonyScolaro1  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Jason Breslau I agree but most people, like myself only have up to a 1/2” spiral bit. I would have definitely used that method but those bits are quite pricey.

    • @breslaj4
      @breslaj4 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@AnthonyScolaro1 I thought so too. I found one for 15.00 online. I used it for about 120 holes on my paulk workbench.

  • @ReinierKaper
    @ReinierKaper 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This is a great "budget" solution, which I've wanted to do for a while.
    I'm wondering if adding a bushing to the router with a very narrow bit would be more accurate. That way the bushing could go into the pegboard hole and you could "mark" the location with the router directly.
    Either that, or make a jig out of another piece of pegboard and attach it to the router base. Then use 4 pins to align the base to the pegboard and use a 3/4" router bit to dril the holes directly!
    Great work though, I might just follow suit!

  • @Fishing-gs9ku
    @Fishing-gs9ku ปีที่แล้ว

    I had the same idea with the pegboard piece. Great to see it works before I try

  • @scottroy6195
    @scottroy6195 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sorry I'd this is obviously to others, but why do t things just fall through the hole?

  • @RJ-sr5dv
    @RJ-sr5dv ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks

  • @jeremyspecce
    @jeremyspecce 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just happen to have a sheet of pegboard laying around that i haven't really had a use for, and I've been meaning to do some dog holes. I really wonder if the hold fasts i have would work in a single layer of plywood. I'll just lay the full sheet over the table so i don't have to worry about indexing as i move the small piece from one place to the next.

  • @kreb7
    @kreb7 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow I like the idea of the peg port and the dog holes well done

  • @edmc755
    @edmc755 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    HOW THICK IS THE TABLE TOP ???

    • @AnthonyScolaro1
      @AnthonyScolaro1  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Double sheet of 23/32 plywood, so it’s just slightly under 1.5” thick

  • @jasonmartinez2434
    @jasonmartinez2434 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Anthony what pegs are you using for the holes?

  • @joshallen4891
    @joshallen4891 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    quick and to the point...refreshing

  • @douglee650
    @douglee650 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Illuminati level pegboard layout technique 🙌

  • @tinkeringeekkissimmeefl4495
    @tinkeringeekkissimmeefl4495 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That's clever using the peg board. I tested your theory and it's so close, near perfect! The offset of the holes center is due to marking the center of the hole of the peg board, but for a simple home made MFT, this idea is just awesome. Thanks very much for making this video.

  • @MOSTAFA131160
    @MOSTAFA131160 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very very helpful video, thank you

  • @joshuapoulin4909
    @joshuapoulin4909 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    As far as drill bit, do you think a Forsner would be cleaner, or was the spade bit relatively ok? If there is a formica laminate, which bit type would you go with?

    • @AnthonyScolaro1
      @AnthonyScolaro1  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Joshua Poulin if I was going to do it again, I would use my hole saw but I needed a new one when I made this video. The spade bit works fine

  • @joewalton6056
    @joewalton6056 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    very well explained, thanks!

  • @jaa522
    @jaa522 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Anthony, what bit did you use in the router?

    • @AnthonyScolaro1
      @AnthonyScolaro1  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Just a simple round over bit to ease the edges

    • @jaa522
      @jaa522 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@AnthonyScolaro1 thanks Anthony. I finished my toy box for my grandson came out great.

  • @JasonAlanandStacy
    @JasonAlanandStacy 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video... I feel stupid asking this but do the holes you drilled go all the way through?

    • @AnthonyScolaro1
      @AnthonyScolaro1  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes, they have to go through or the bench dogs won’t be able to go down and sit flush with the table when not in use and you wouldn’t be able to adjust the height when using them on different thicknesses of wood.

  • @DEG1985
    @DEG1985 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Buen video amigo, gracias...

  • @bigboyandy100
    @bigboyandy100 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for making it easy.

  • @JoseMorales-ph2vl
    @JoseMorales-ph2vl 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello Anthony, where did you get the dogs and clamps? Thanks in advance.

    • @AnthonyScolaro1
      @AnthonyScolaro1  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      José Morales hi, the links are in the description

  • @Dunc2222
    @Dunc2222 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great explanation and layout. May I ask which were the various clamps and dogs that you used? And/or what doghole clamps would you or others here recommend? Thanks

    • @AnthonyScolaro1
      @AnthonyScolaro1  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You can find the links in the description box.

    • @Dunc2222
      @Dunc2222 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AnthonyScolaro1 Thanks, I hadn’t realized that’s what the links were to. Thanks.

  • @briankinnaman6532
    @briankinnaman6532 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great info. Thanks for sharing!

  • @hshwhitten
    @hshwhitten 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great idea. Should the stem for the holdfasts be measured by the individual work bench or is the stem standardized for all work benches?

    • @AnthonyScolaro1
      @AnthonyScolaro1  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Heather Shrum a traditional holdfast that you hammer down on a workpiece will have different shaft lengths and the clamps in this video had a standard length and 3/4” diameter shafts for 3/4” dog holes. There are some companies that make these types of clamps with 20mm diameters so make sure you get the ones that match the holes you are drilling or the ones that are already pre-drilled if that’s what you have.

    • @hshwhitten
      @hshwhitten 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Anthony Scolaro great info. Thank you. We have the 3/4” dog holes. I guess I will have to measure the bench depth to make sure I get my son the proper size iron to forge. Fathers Day gift. Thank you for your help!

  • @ferznator
    @ferznator 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    fantastic idea, now i'll make my own! :D

  • @misterm7086
    @misterm7086 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello Anthony,
    Terrific video. Thanks.
    Quick question. Did you experience any misaligned dog holes?

    • @AnthonyScolaro1
      @AnthonyScolaro1  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Mister M thank you and all the holes were right where I wanted them, I’m sure not as accurate as a cnc machine but pretty damn close.

    • @eclear4evr
      @eclear4evr 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It was a great video, Mister M. I have done this like him only using 2 squares (X and Y axis) on my 5.5" thick table and the holes twisted. Wouldn't recommend this method for thick table tops, but definitely the way to go for under 3" thick!

  • @pinkeye00
    @pinkeye00 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    great video, dawgs.

  • @davidheizer5887
    @davidheizer5887 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great Idea next week I’ll be doing this thanks

  • @MrUrlikSkarsol
    @MrUrlikSkarsol 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    To what depth should the holes be drilled?

  • @stevecunningham936
    @stevecunningham936 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great idea!

  • @debbydhill
    @debbydhill 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video, thanks Anthony

  • @dennisregan9829
    @dennisregan9829 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent.

  • @Rusty_ok
    @Rusty_ok 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Good video thanks for posting. Was not sure what a bench dawg hole was but I guess it is exactly like a bench dog hole here in the Midwest.

    • @AnthonyScolaro1
      @AnthonyScolaro1  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Rusty Gun is my Northeast accent that bad lol...

  • @ohske
    @ohske 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good 👍👍👍

  • @StanFerris
    @StanFerris 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Looks handy, Anthony!

  • @marrazzowoodworkingdiy8118
    @marrazzowoodworkingdiy8118 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the video Anthony! I've been thinking of adding these to my table for some time. I think I may also add some small holes in a section of table to serve as a downdraft table while sanding.

  • @tedperez4732
    @tedperez4732 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like this video and the simple easy to follow info. Question, where can I purchase those two hold down clamps? Home Depot doesn't have them in my area.

    • @AnthonyScolaro1
      @AnthonyScolaro1  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I linked them in the description for you to purchase them on amazon

    • @tedperez4732
      @tedperez4732 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@AnthonyScolaro1 got it. Thanks !

  • @markkoons7488
    @markkoons7488 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Seems like using the peg board as a drill guide might be a little more precise. A VIX bit would be even better to center pilot holes for the center spur of the spade bit. eBay recently had those long shank 3/4" stem self-adjusting clamps on Sears bubble-pack cards for 1/2 price, $16 each.

    • @juliemandell
      @juliemandell 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I can't believe what a difference Vix bits have made to my projects since I learned about them a few years ago.

  • @oldibarra-tutu2253
    @oldibarra-tutu2253 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Most good drills have a level bubble on Ћ back end of the drill for accuracy.

    • @AnthonyScolaro1
      @AnthonyScolaro1  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Old Ibarra-Tutu I haven’t seen a level bubble on a professional grade drill like Dewalt in years. You will see them on homeowner grade drills but they are pretty useless since most people will try and keep the bubble in the circle or lines, they forget to watch the drill and get hurt.

    • @oldibarra-tutu2253
      @oldibarra-tutu2253 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Anthony Scolaro
      Yes I still have my old Royobi, my Dewalt does not have the bubble and it is the only one worth using, thanks Anthony