The Orville: New Horizons - Klyden comes back for Topa (very emotional scene) 😭😭😭😭

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  • @raspherion
    @raspherion ปีที่แล้ว +4540

    "The hardest lesson to learn, as a parent, is to know when you are wrong...And the deepest scar is when your mistake hurts the child you love."

    • @westhawk7259
      @westhawk7259 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Is that a quote from a book?

    • @raspherion
      @raspherion ปีที่แล้ว +31

      @@westhawk7259 not that I'm aware of, I wrote it.

    • @SecretLars
      @SecretLars ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@raspherion Then why is it in quotation marks?

    • @raspherion
      @raspherion ปีที่แล้ว +24

      @@SecretLars make it a quote

    • @cris.r.d
      @cris.r.d ปีที่แล้ว +70

      @@SecretLars bro literally coined his own quote, that’s why. Now anyone can use it.

  • @hyrinshratu
    @hyrinshratu ปีที่แล้ว +3468

    I love most that Klyden says "I must change" rather than "I have changed." He knows that a single apology won't make things right with his child, and a single moment of realization won't overcome a lifetime of indoctrination, but he is willing to try to be better rather than saying that he is now better.

    • @weathersama604
      @weathersama604 ปีที่แล้ว +92

      People have no idea how long i waited for it! It always rubbed me the wrong way that Klyden is so clearly depicted as conservative fanatic, when he himself is a victim of moclan culture, since he is a trans man, i always wanted them to show some angle of maybe coping with it by embracing his culture to extreme. I just wrote him off after he left and said what he did to Topa, there shouldn't be returning from it. But they did it. Klyden not accepting Topa forgiveness right off the bat, knowing that she is too vulnerable right now, to make such decision, and telling her that he must be changed, god. And when he invites Grayson to dinner, good god he be reconciling with anyone.

    • @profchaos91
      @profchaos91 ปีที่แล้ว +53

      ​@@weathersama604in "a tale of two topas" they hint at this by having klyden declare that "every child is unhappy".
      That tella us that he probably went through the same feelings topa had in her childhood, but Klyden had to force himself to overcome that because he had conservative parents and also he didn't know he was born female

    • @Sarah-zr1nj
      @Sarah-zr1nj 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Very well stated.

    • @sceetherthenadder
      @sceetherthenadder 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

      And he’s already showing how he will change and is accepting of her when he says “May I speak with her?”

    • @dillonlehane7134
      @dillonlehane7134 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      ​@@sceetherthenadder not to mention that he was "proud to call [her his] daughter"

  • @writerman7038
    @writerman7038 ปีที่แล้ว +1957

    Seth earned this moment as a writer and as a director. It’s magical.

    • @maxxandubar503
      @maxxandubar503 ปีที่แล้ว +85

      Between family guy, American dad, his movies and this, he has proven he isn’t just funny guy

    • @AguilarSquared
      @AguilarSquared ปีที่แล้ว +51

      This might be Seth's attempt at an apology after all of the jokes at Ida Quagmire's expense in Family Guy

    • @papertigerworkshop1174
      @papertigerworkshop1174 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      @@AguilarSquared Yeah, that entire episode was just awful, along with the lengthy history of transphobic jokes throughout Family Guy... But The Orville kind of helps put him on a better path, just like Klyden.

    • @profchaos91
      @profchaos91 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      ​@@papertigerworkshop1174but are they actualpy phobic? I mean, they make fun of cis white people all the time, it's not like the show is focused against trans people. I think that including them among the various groups that are made fun of is just kinda their way of including them. Maybe it's not fully appreciated, in a similar way to a roast that goes a bit too far, but i woukdn't jump the gun and call it transphobic

    • @JoeJoe-jw3kl
      @JoeJoe-jw3kl ปีที่แล้ว +22

      @@AguilarSquared Seth actually hasn’t written for family guy in YEARS. He hasn’t been responsible since like season 4 or 5.

  • @wancourb
    @wancourb ปีที่แล้ว +2427

    What really sells his redemption is his response to her saying it’s okay. “No it is not.” He knows how bad he was and truly wants to be better. That’s a damn good redemption arc.

    • @goblintube2562
      @goblintube2562 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      if only the same could happen with Peter Griffin

    • @nickyboy22071989
      @nickyboy22071989 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Bit of self awareness goes a long way.

    • @korsekil
      @korsekil หลายเดือนก่อน +26

      Exactly. From her, "it's okay" is her forgiving her father for his mistakes. And the way he says "No it is not" seems like he has thought about it, deeply, and realized how absolutely horrific his words were to his own daughter, and he wants her to know it was never and will never be acceptable.
      Edit: And as he stated, she was almost lost because of his beliefs and the people that shared them. Which makes him realize how horrific they are, and he has ultimately realized he would rather let them go than lose his child.

    • @Lieutenant_Dude
      @Lieutenant_Dude หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      This was very brilliant acting. He really made the sobbing believable as hell.

    • @Toneill029
      @Toneill029 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      He’s not fully redeemed, but he’s at the first steps.

  • @colinwhite6879
    @colinwhite6879 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1608

    The deep breath Bortus takes is powerful af. He hated and resented Klyden for his beliefs and what he did to Topa. And the apology was almost like an apology to Bortus as well.

    • @danieldickson8591
      @danieldickson8591 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +84

      You can see Bortus's shoulders drop at that moment. His whole body finally lets go of the stress he's been holding in for so long.

    • @Noctnerd13
      @Noctnerd13 หลายเดือนก่อน +49

      The sad reality is Bortus loves klyden. Despite resentments towards decisions relating to their daughter. It hurt him to be the one forced to choose the morals of an alien species over his mate but always understood that it was best for Topa.

    • @gabrielleclennon6589
      @gabrielleclennon6589 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      Yes, Bortus was like "Ahhh, finally I can rest from this stress at last"

  • @avengermkii7872
    @avengermkii7872 ปีที่แล้ว +3505

    What I love about this scene is that Klyden already stepped up by addressing his daughter as "her" when he first entered the room. That's when you know he's willing to make things work.

    • @TheMelbournelad
      @TheMelbournelad ปีที่แล้ว +92

      OMG I missed that😭 that adds weight to Bortas’s exhale and reaction

    • @TheMelbournelad
      @TheMelbournelad ปีที่แล้ว +36

      @D C i don’t believe they went into that kind of detail.
      I believe the appendage was missing altogether. Hense why when she hatched there was an immediate recognition she was female not male.
      Then again was never implied either way so who knows.

    • @thegamingknight642
      @thegamingknight642 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      "It was at this moment Bortus knew Klyden had changed, and he needed to let him see Topa."

    • @BYERE
      @BYERE ปีที่แล้ว +21

      @D C Even if that was the case, I doubt that last part.
      If anything, the writers will keep her female and have her join the Union to work on the ship alongside Bortus. Have her be the beacon of light that shines away the dark void that the Moclans bring, and prove that female Moclans can do more than hide away on a separate planet.

    • @StormsparkPegasus
      @StormsparkPegasus ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@mrscwchino That's headcanon. The only thing the show shows is that females are much more rare than males, and aren't needed for reproduction. You are correct that she isn't transgender now, but she was for the time she was male.

  • @MrBadBoy2105
    @MrBadBoy2105 ปีที่แล้ว +1979

    His love for his child is stronger than his beliefs it took almost losing her to realize he was wrong

    • @Coyoteprime
      @Coyoteprime ปีที่แล้ว +91

      It takes a bigger person to swallow their pride.

    • @jamesspring4610
      @jamesspring4610 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      @@Coyoteprime Agreed.

    • @thomasbarca9297
      @thomasbarca9297 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      I agree he felt so much guilt over the way he treated her

    • @thrasher930
      @thrasher930 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      Sadly thats ussually what it takes IRL too.

    • @davfree9732
      @davfree9732 ปีที่แล้ว +46

      Don't forget, Klyden was born female. Probably on Moclus and had the surgery...
      Who told Klyden he was born a she? And why would a Moclan tell Klyden he was born female? Not for Klydens benefit thats for sure. And Klyden was taught, by his peoples values, to hate himself for it. The best he could hope was to go unnoticed and hope no one else would find out while being as Moclan as possible to disperse suspicion...
      Klyden lived the life Topa would have had. While Klyden did act badly, I can see where it stemmed from. We know Klyden loves Topa, but Klyden feared that what he went through would happen to his daughter and Klydens own issues hadn't been resolved as he hid from them, trying to be as Moclan as possible.
      In some ways, this isn't about gender. This is about escaping an ideology that teaches you to hate yourself for being born the way you are. The Orville capture this perfectly. Bortas, the one with an open mind. Topa, the one who the subject carries the most impact. And Klyden, the one who walked in Topa's shoes and chose the other route because that's what his culture demanded and he wasn't ready to defy his culture until what he loved more was almost taken away from him.

  • @comicmaster217
    @comicmaster217 ปีที่แล้ว +2330

    The fact that KLYDEN was the one who made me cry says a lot about the character progression this show makes

    • @ijmad
      @ijmad ปีที่แล้ว +59

      Chad Coleman is a fantastic actor, that he delivered this performance under that prosthetics and makeup is miraculous

    • @swack24
      @swack24 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      and he did the voice of Coach in Left 4 Dead 2

    • @jackwhitbread4583
      @jackwhitbread4583 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      Yes! Klyden has been a very unlikeable character for quite some time so for the storyline to progress and get the audience to feel so much empathy for a character like Klyden is genius on both the writing and from the actor angle

    • @hagamapama
      @hagamapama ปีที่แล้ว +24

      @@jackwhitbread4583 You feel this much for Klyden exactly because of how unlikeable he's been, and beecause it's clear that he's just now really realizing this.

    • @Synthonym
      @Synthonym ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@swack24 omg really that's great

  • @RagnarKorg3141
    @RagnarKorg3141 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +183

    "No. It is not. You... were almost lost. Because of people who believed as I did. I... I... I thought I hated you. But even then, I never wished you harm. I simply... did not know how to live with you. I allowed a lifetime of prejudice to cloud my judgment. That must change. I must change. I want you to know that I accept you, Topa, exactly as you are. And I am proud... to call you my daughter."

    • @marysmith-ps7uj
      @marysmith-ps7uj 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Those powerful words need to be broadcast throughout the world. Maybe, just maybe someone will take them to heart and stop fearing for their own femenity or masculinity. 😮😮

  • @treemanthegreat8108
    @treemanthegreat8108 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +226

    I love the fact that in later episodes we can see that bortus and klyden have a much healthier relationship

    • @lissienicole7355
      @lissienicole7355 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +21

      I’ve noticed from some clips that Klyden can be seen out of their room more too, even talking to some women if I remember correctly. I love watching characters slowly progress, it’s honestly impressive what they did with Klyden on the show

  • @benlevan5645
    @benlevan5645 ปีที่แล้ว +789

    That look on Bortus' face after the apology... Such a clear "thank you" to the gods for opening his mate's eyes.

    • @CheshireCat-cm1si
      @CheshireCat-cm1si ปีที่แล้ว +48

      Ben Levan I especially love that, from this point on, it's so clear how happy they are. Every moment Bortus' family is on screen, it's clear that they are working to make things better. The only real scene we get after this of them fighting was when they couldn't figure out how to crack walnuts...and anyone who's tried to crack a walnut knows that they were giving very appropriate reactions.

    • @devinberry4472
      @devinberry4472 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      ​@@CheshireCat-cm1siNothing brings a family together like tragedy, it's when you need to rely on each other the most and have each other's back.
      My sister and I weren't especially close as we grew up and barely talked in college and then my mother had to get an emergency surgery and we rallied around her and it made us so much closer

    • @danieldickson8591
      @danieldickson8591 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      When Bortus closes his eyes and breathes, you can see his shoulders drop. His whole body lets go of the stress he's been holding in for so long. It's a subtle and beautiful bit of acting.

  • @tony2324
    @tony2324 ปีที่แล้ว +942

    The best part of this is when topa says "its okay" and klyden says "no, it is not okay" what you were raised to belive, does not make it okay to be a horrible person, and klyden knows that now, he did not ask for forgiveness, he just told his daughter he accepted her

    • @devinberry4472
      @devinberry4472 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

      And promised to be better and change, admitting your mistake is the first step and then actually committing to changing is how people actually change.
      That's what's so amazing about this show, it does character arcs so damn well. This is how people ACTUALLY change in real life, many shows would have done some quick "I'm sorry" "it's ok" *hug* type of thing but this felt real

  • @bushidotestu1997
    @bushidotestu1997 ปีที่แล้ว +1038

    It’s such a simple thing but seeing a hardline character admit to being wrong is a very impactful moment

    • @Quirriff
      @Quirriff ปีที่แล้ว +43

      You've also got to understand that Klyden is also a victim. Because all his life he's been told females were inferior and found out he was born female.

    • @CascadianRanger
      @CascadianRanger ปีที่แล้ว +23

      @@Quirriff the moment he says "I accept you for who you are" in a way is also him accepting who he is

    • @janesgems7
      @janesgems7 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@Quirriff Exactly. This is the scene where I started to like Klyden.

  • @timothyserabian5103
    @timothyserabian5103 ปีที่แล้ว +989

    This was the moment that 110% solidified my belief that not only is this probably one of the best “Trek” shows, it’s also a fantastic show period. This is the kind of thing that needs to be shared, and while I already did it tremendously over these last few years, I’m going to be pushing even harder. This show needs, no DESERVES More attention and accolades.

    • @hagamapama
      @hagamapama ปีที่แล้ว +25

      Klyden is great because he's so weak as a person. He hid behind his prejudices to the point that he made a lot of trouble for people on the basis of them. Seeing him have this moment was powerful because you know that the Klyden from S1 would never, ever have done it

    • @kenethhallum3566
      @kenethhallum3566 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Every other show would have used this position to take extra shots and Klyden, Even the high society of Trek has shown it's petty vengeance, that Klyden needed to be punished for his behavior and shamed. Instead, they show a man, consumed by a lifetime of being taught self hatred, and bigotry. I love that there is nothing about forgiveness, only acceptance and moving forward.
      Chad L Coleman just destroys you when he admits his weakness and hatred. Peter Macon has a difficult job of displaying his emotions behind a shield of stoic masculinity which you still see cracks forming. It's criminal how under appreciated this show is.

    • @unclejoeoakland
      @unclejoeoakland ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Agreed. Orville IS the spiritual continuance of ST, TNG, DS9 and ENT. Not voyager. Voyager was trash.

    • @bachlava7
      @bachlava7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ​@@unclejoeoakland I liked voyager, but it has lots of issues. All that you mentioned are still hella better than anything officially trek today.

    • @czechdownunder4130
      @czechdownunder4130 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      May I also add that Chad Coleman deserves accolades for his performance as Klyden.

  • @BlazingOwnager
    @BlazingOwnager ปีที่แล้ว +1533

    I really like how they made you hate Klyden and convinced the audience he was written out of the show, sold by Bortus and Kelly developing chemistry. But in one scene he managed to complete an entire redemption arc, without which, we'd never gotten "HURRAY! HURRAY! HURRAY FOR YOU! HURRRRAYYY!!"

    • @victor2641
      @victor2641 ปีที่แล้ว +58

      Well actually I never did hated him because of well the fact that how long he been told about females and that he was a female in that situation.

    • @jackadams3878
      @jackadams3878 ปีที่แล้ว +47

      @@victor2641 ' I wish you were never born' it takes a real piece of shit to say that to one's own child. Luckily, that need not be a terminal condition.

    • @Trikeboy2
      @Trikeboy2 ปีที่แล้ว +60

      He competes his redemption at the end of the episode when he invites Kelly to join them for dinner. He would always ignore Kelly when she was with Bortus since she was female. Bortus even called him out on that once. You can even see Bortus smile at the end when Kelly joins them.

    • @StormsparkPegasus
      @StormsparkPegasus ปีที่แล้ว +53

      Klyden's whole issue was self hate. Because of what was done to him as a child, and how everything he was feeling conflicted with everything his culture taught.

    • @zephyr8072
      @zephyr8072 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      I never truly hated Klyden, because he is inherently likable. He's good natured, charming, supportive and a loving husband and father.
      His actors performance also helps a great deal to make him so and they gave him numerous moments to show that off.
      It's why it's all the more horrible that he let himself descend into bigotry and prejudice and shows that many such people in real life aren't snarling monsters but normal people like any other indoctrinated into cultures of hate.

  • @CaleBairdOfficial
    @CaleBairdOfficial ปีที่แล้ว +140

    That final shot with Bortus releasing that heavy sigh, like the weight of the last few years for their family has begun to lessen… I felt that.

  • @foolslayer9416
    @foolslayer9416 ปีที่แล้ว +309

    I'm glad that Klyden's love for his child is far greater than his fear and stigma. And I'm glad that the Commander is the closest thing that Topa has to a mother.

    • @janesgems7
      @janesgems7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      This episode is one of Kelly's best.

  • @Superdeath25
    @Superdeath25 ปีที่แล้ว +486

    I never expected this scene. Moclus went too far even for Klyden

    • @jeremydale4548
      @jeremydale4548 ปีที่แล้ว

      In my opinion they went too far with their whole sexist crap.
      Tradition my ass. They developed corrective procedures in case a female was born! I bet they’re only a single gender species because they developed tech to do that.

    • @Coyoteprime
      @Coyoteprime ปีที่แล้ว +57

      Some people are strong in their beliefs but there is somethings that are too far for some. He isn’t a bad dad just misguided by dogma. If he did watch Rudolph and maybe Dumbo the original animated version and possibly the Secret Garden maybe he would finally see things Boris sees.

    • @stephenbyrne2170
      @stephenbyrne2170 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@Coyoteprime Even faith has its limits.

    • @Coyoteprime
      @Coyoteprime ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Well more like prejudice than faith.

    • @davfree9732
      @davfree9732 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      Klyden lived the life Topa would have lived. Klyden was born female too so I can’t help but think Klyden knew the life Moclus would have inflicted on his daughter.
      But when Moclus tried to take away his child, that was to much. Klyden now thinks of a life outside of the rigid dogma of Moclus, not for himself. He lived within the rigid rules of his people. But for his daughter who showed him that living outside of the rules Moclus imposes… isn’t as bad a thing as he was taught when someone from Moclus, probably a nasty piece of work, told Klyden he was born a female.

  • @lochness5524
    @lochness5524 ปีที่แล้ว +603

    Klyden still has a long way to go, but this, and him allowing Kelly to join them for Dinner, are good steps forward in the right direction

    • @JP-ks7ey
      @JP-ks7ey ปีที่แล้ว +13

      true

    • @BYERE
      @BYERE ปีที่แล้ว +32

      Given his past spitefulness towards her, when he called her back just before she left, you could see she was expecting more of the same from him.
      Offering to share a meal is definitely a step in the right direction when it comes to changing his ways.

    • @bradleyj.fortner2203
      @bradleyj.fortner2203 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      It's unfortunate that we'll most likely never get to see him develop any further. I'll be very surprised if this show comes back for a fourth season.

    • @BYERE
      @BYERE ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@bradleyj.fortner2203 After the hugely positive review scores and fan reactions for this season, and D23 (Disney's big expo for announcements of future products and shows/movies) coming up in just a couple of weeks, I'm holding out hope that they announce a renewal then.
      I believe they only greenlit this season because while the first two seasons were good, they still lacked here and there. The execs likely wanted to see how well a show like this could do before deciding to renew it again.

    • @bradleyj.fortner2203
      @bradleyj.fortner2203 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BYERE We'll see. I'm not holding MY breath.

  • @elizabethdarnell5420
    @elizabethdarnell5420 ปีที่แล้ว +127

    I love how klyden doesn't truly ask her for forgiveness. He knows right now he doesn't have that right. He knows that the most important thing right now is for toopa to know that she is loved by both of her parents and that he regrets everything he has done. It's clear he is forgiving later but right now she just needs to know he loves her.

    • @connorjohnson8590
      @connorjohnson8590 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I actually REALLY loved the fact that the first questions he asks are about how Topa is feeling and if they are hurt. That shows immediately where his heart is at. 😢

  • @dr.veronica6155
    @dr.veronica6155 ปีที่แล้ว +887

    I like how you can tell really quickly that Kylden has changed, in that he's actually willing to use female pronouns when referring to her. And he did exactly what you're supposed to when apologizing for something so terrible that could have destroyed your relationship with somebody important to you. You don't ask them for forgiveness, you don't try to give excuses or reasons why what you did was reasonable at the time, you just acknowledge that you did something terrible, that you recognize it now as terrible, that you know it hurt them, and that you'll do better going forward, even if you can't undo what you did before. You take responsibility, don't ask for forgiveness, and simply hope that they can find it in themselves to give it to you.

    • @dagan2000
      @dagan2000 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      i'd like to think Klyden's coming around, but part of me is a bit jaded and tells me that he may be saying whatever he can so he has a place to go since he'd be totally ostracized by his species due to his mate and their child. believe me, i WANT Klyden to be a good person, but his track record demonstrates that he has a long way to go beyond some tearful words. at the bachelor party at the season finale makes me think that Klyden is maybe trying TOO hard, which as someone who lived with an abusive parent trying to 'be better' is throwing up serious red flags for me. 'See how much i've changed? you'll be so impressed that when i start to backslide, you won't accept it.'

    • @achinthmurali5207
      @achinthmurali5207 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Wait why shouldn’t you ask for forgiveness? Isn’t that part of taking responsibility?

    • @thomasparkin259
      @thomasparkin259 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@achinthmurali5207 Asking for forgiveness is not the same as apologising, depending on the circumstance it can put the onus for solving the hurt on the transgressed rather than the transgressor.
      Simply apologise and acknowledge the wrong done, why it was done, apologise and commit to becoming better.
      Forgiveness is the sole right of the person wronged.

    • @achinthmurali5207
      @achinthmurali5207 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@thomasparkin259 forgiveness doesn’t have to be given yes, but ASKING for forgiveness is by every metric apologizing and taking responsibility because one can only ask for forgiveness if they acknowledge they have done something wrong.

    • @jackwhitbread4583
      @jackwhitbread4583 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@dagan2000 I mean Klyden did revoke his Moclan citizenship for Topa, he would not have done that unless he was sure of his love for his child

  • @davidpumpkinsjr.5108
    @davidpumpkinsjr.5108 ปีที่แล้ว +189

    Klyden saw what the hatred of his people, the hatred he had shared, did to someone he loved. It's his first step to becoming a better man and while he has a long way to go, hopefully he can become that the father that Topa deserves.

  • @jamesspring4610
    @jamesspring4610 ปีที่แล้ว +366

    I love Topa. She's such a kind, caring and forgiving soul. 😎

    • @davidjones6969
      @davidjones6969 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      And very Smart

    • @matthewcoster5535
      @matthewcoster5535 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      And she has one hell of a papa bear.

    • @hagamapama
      @hagamapama ปีที่แล้ว +3

      There's a part of me that thinks that Ty and Topa may wind up as BFFs. Ty looks poised to follow his stepfather into the sciences and Topa feels like a future command potential.

    • @thomasbarca9297
      @thomasbarca9297 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@hagamapama I agree, I would love to see Ty and Topa joining the fleet as part of the Orville the next generation

    • @SirCraigius
      @SirCraigius ปีที่แล้ว +6

      That's the unconditional love of a child for you. She still loved him even when he walked out on her. And she still loved him when he came back, even before he apologized.

  • @dirkthewrench
    @dirkthewrench หลายเดือนก่อน +38

    Put seth MacFarlane in charge of the next star trek show
    I BEG you

    • @garthrogers2269
      @garthrogers2269 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      He kind of is with this one.

    • @ziggybarone3168
      @ziggybarone3168 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@garthrogers2269
      Problem is they're not giving us more episodes right now and that's just upsetting.
      This would be the _only_ reason I'd subscribe to any streaming service it would air on.

  • @537monster
    @537monster ปีที่แล้ว +113

    Bortus standing there taking a breath is just such good acting. You can visibly see him relax.
    You can tell that he is still going to need some time getting over Klydens actions, but maybe things will get better so long as Klyden continues to grow out of his superstitions.

  • @JCShadow
    @JCShadow ปีที่แล้ว +212

    I will be honest, I thought there was no hope for Klyden. I believed he was so indoctrinated with his Moclan beliefs that he wouldn’t at least open his mind, especially since he was born female. And it took almost losing his child to make him realize that he was wrong and very sorry for what he said to Topa. Excellent writing and great acting. This episode was emotional, the only Star Trek episode that got me emotional was Nog’s speech in DS9’s It’s Only A Paper Moon.

    • @catcrazy0626
      @catcrazy0626 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I think a lot of that hate was directed inwards, he didn't find out he was female until he came to the Orville and I think that was what caused a lot of unhappiness he had in season 1

    • @pathemeleski
      @pathemeleski หลายเดือนก่อน

      Did he tell Topa that he was born female, too?

    • @JCShadow
      @JCShadow หลายเดือนก่อน

      No, he only told Bortus. I don't think Bortus even told Topa.

  • @baronjutter
    @baronjutter ปีที่แล้ว +125

    This scene had me crying like a baby.

    • @benlevan5645
      @benlevan5645 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I had to pause it for a minute or two to clear my eyes. Same thing happened at the end of Ghostbusters: Afterlife.

    • @KnightRaymund
      @KnightRaymund ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I still tear up every time

    • @scottwells8064
      @scottwells8064 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I cried pretty hard on my first viewing. As opposed to yelling "Oh F*CK you Klyden" on his last appearance.

  • @akashshetty5112
    @akashshetty5112 ปีที่แล้ว +291

    Wow this show is so well balanced. Action, comedy and drama are on point! I hope it gets renewed for a fourth season.

    • @AvengerBB1
      @AvengerBB1 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Even if it doesn't, I think they've left it in a good spot to end on. Hell, a lot of shows don't even get a legit finale that feels this "complete".

    • @blunk778
      @blunk778 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      if you want a 4th re watch it on disney plus a bunch

    • @Synthonym
      @Synthonym ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@AvengerBB1 They really made a good decision doing that, since they don't know if there will be more or not, but given how spectacularly well recieved this season has been I'd be surprised if there weren't more

    • @737Garrus
      @737Garrus ปีที่แล้ว +1

      YES! I want Fourville, I want Moreville!

  • @CardboardSliver
    @CardboardSliver ปีที่แล้ว +60

    I'm so glad he came around, and realized how lucky he is to have a beautiful daughter like Topa.

  • @Marguns21
    @Marguns21 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    Man, Klyden went from being hated to loved.
    Horray

  • @ulvennagy7853
    @ulvennagy7853 ปีที่แล้ว +121

    I must say... I never liked Klyden before that scene. But after he finally accepted Topa as SHE was, I was crying... I really hoped for Bortus and Klyden to be reunited btw. Really love that episode!

  • @cthulhluftagn3812
    @cthulhluftagn3812 ปีที่แล้ว +63

    1:38 the look on his face when klyden says Her, i think they will be ok in the end.

  • @alexdavis-mann8513
    @alexdavis-mann8513 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    i like that Seth took a back seat in this season letting the secondary characters really shine.

    • @PeachWookiee
      @PeachWookiee ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I think he knows how to write a good ensemble show without executive meddling. Deep Space Nine didn’t have to have Sisko as the focus every episode, after all.

    • @CutWat
      @CutWat หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Yeah when watching the third season I was like "Man, we haven't really seen much of Ed"

  • @gellertgrindelwald7171
    @gellertgrindelwald7171 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Klyden showing the willingness to put aside his former beliefs for the sake of his child is an awesome piece of character development

  • @darrenskjoelsvold
    @darrenskjoelsvold ปีที่แล้ว +26

    This is such a powerful and emotional scene. I am sure that that tear rolling down the cheek of "Topa" was not fake. The actress playing this role did an excellent job and the actors playing Klyden and Bortis convey such amazing emotions.

  • @jamesc21051979
    @jamesc21051979 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    100% best redemption story. Heartfelt apology, accepts the blame as entirely his, accepts her for who she is, sets aside a lifetime of prejudice, explains his position and what he's doing to change that all whilst having the knowledge that he was born female too.

  • @Miguel-fu7ft
    @Miguel-fu7ft หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    If you can feel what an alien is feeling, then you can feel how your fellow human is feeling. I shit you not I cried my eyes out so fucking much to this. Love yourselves and those you choose to be around unconditionally

  • @FLORIDAPERSONable
    @FLORIDAPERSONable ปีที่แล้ว +63

    the writing in this show and the story lines are PURE GENIUS!

  • @anthonyc8499
    @anthonyc8499 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    this was such an amazing scene because of just how real it is. Klyden acknowledges that he's a work in progress, knows that it won't be easy to change, but he's determined to overcome a lifetime of prejudice for the love of his daughter.
    This really comes together later on at dinner when Cmdr. Grayson pops by. Klyden struggles to act graciously with her, despite his prior resentment of the Commander, yet he invites her to dinner with his family anyways because it's what he needs to do to change.

    • @jeffvorhies8773
      @jeffvorhies8773 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If you watch that dinner scene closely, you will see Klyden smiling as they all eat together.

  • @SirCraigius
    @SirCraigius ปีที่แล้ว +94

    2:55: Damn. That line really hit me in the feels!

    • @wjrneo2
      @wjrneo2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      2:40 for me. When she says, "Its okay, I understand." And Klyden response "No, it is not".

    • @jamesspring4610
      @jamesspring4610 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@wjrneo2 I know what you mean. Topa forgives Klyden, but he will never forgive himself. You hear it in his voice.

    • @PeachWookiee
      @PeachWookiee ปีที่แล้ว

      I think he’ll at least learn to live with what he was and become a better person. And knowing that the people he loves forgive him will help him heal too.

  • @edmclaughlin4923
    @edmclaughlin4923 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    I love the show. The writing for the show between Season 1 and Season 3 has gone to another level. This scene and the scenes with Teleya the Krill and the relationship arc between Issac and Charly were some of the best writing I have seen for a long time.

  • @carriee.9712
    @carriee.9712 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    Klyden has had such great character development. I love it! He seems happier being back with his family again. 😊 I love how in love he is with Bortus haha it absolutely kills me. 😂

  • @alex_enbee
    @alex_enbee ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I never thought a stark trek knock off written by the family guy dude would make me cry..but boy did this scene get me teary eyed. Klydens serious heart felt apology broke me. Major props to seth and everyone else who worked on this show. It is really somthing spectacular

  • @stephenfarthing3819
    @stephenfarthing3819 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    Wow! Some distance covered. But still some very considerable distance yet to go! A child is still a child with responsibility for that reason. Klyden has taken the step that was difficult to do. A parent is still a parent!

  • @DeadRoman
    @DeadRoman ปีที่แล้ว +11

    The moment at the end when you can see the weight lifted from Bortus when he sees that his family will heal is powerful.

  • @JMDarkly1
    @JMDarkly1 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    I don't know if its the actor or the make-up in this scene, but it just gets me in heart how soft Bortus' eyes are here. He usually has this hard serious look normally. But here you can see the tenderness he has for Topa.

  • @Hellspartan
    @Hellspartan 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    This is one of the episodes in my favorite shows that made me cry so hard that I couldn’t see, I’m so glad for these kinds of episodes and that people can change

  • @BlueMaxxW
    @BlueMaxxW ปีที่แล้ว +166

    This was a very genuine scene. Fantastic and tear-jerking. Modern Trek couldn't figure this out with all the cosmic math gobbledegook in the universe. If you wonder where the heart of Star Trek went, they are carrying it on the ORVILLE!

    • @williampearson6299
      @williampearson6299 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      But notice how Seth McFarland wrote himself out of most episodes this season and was background fodder because his own story is generic?

    • @jesusmysaviourable1
      @jesusmysaviourable1 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@williampearson6299 he still has a great story with anaya.

    • @jackwhitbread4583
      @jackwhitbread4583 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@williampearson6299 That is what's so great about the Orville, while Ed is the captain he is not the star of the show. He could easily have made himself the main character, but he understood that it was a collective effort and all characters deserve their stories and spotlight.

    • @williampearson6299
      @williampearson6299 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jackwhitbread4583 Ed has the most boring conflict

    • @Synthonym
      @Synthonym ปีที่แล้ว

      @@williampearson6299 He's certainly become a much better writer over the years and is clearly listening to feedback

  • @danah7486
    @danah7486 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    I know i am late to the party but Klyden's story progression through the series was extremely well done and subtle. In the first season he didn't want anything to do with the crew of the orville and resented how much time Bortus spent away. You could feel how uncomfortable he was even being around the crew by the end he was making a real effort to be a part of the family Bortus had made for himself and Topa and even invited Kelly to stay for dinner something he NEVER would have done season 1.

  • @SansoHumar
    @SansoHumar 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I’m glad acceptance was found. Shows you can indeed grow wiser from mistakes if you learn from them.
    I know I did. Still am

  • @meredithstrada3629
    @meredithstrada3629 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    How adorable How cute 😍 ☺️ 😊 😢

  • @nickyboy22071989
    @nickyboy22071989 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I like that Klyden didn't just cop out and aceept that it was alright. He acknowledged that he was wrong and that he must be better.

  • @scifirealism5943
    @scifirealism5943 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I literally cried for 15 minutes.
    Love is so beautiful and is all we have to combat loneliness.

  • @IamMeHere2See
    @IamMeHere2See 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Thank Seth we had this until Strange New Worlds & Lower Decks really popped off. He kept the spirit of Star Trek alive!

  • @ryanp9162
    @ryanp9162 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    This is one of my favorite scenes in the whole series as a father of a wonderful daughter I really enjo how Klyden came back and made things right. This is an awesome show.

  • @peaveyst7
    @peaveyst7 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    that show has some deep messages. family, identity, loyality. all are tackled in such an intelligent manner.

  • @thesidneychan
    @thesidneychan 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    And here I was thinking Orville was supposed to be a raunchy comedy parody of Star Trek.
    It actually IS Star Trek.

    • @wwalton
      @wwalton 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It's like the DBZA of Star Trek

    • @thesidneychan
      @thesidneychan 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@wwalton not even close. DBZA stuck to the parody with minor sprinkles of seriousness, and is a redub. Orville is wholly original, serious story with sprinkles of comedy and parody, then went full on Star Trek.

  • @Ostermond
    @Ostermond ปีที่แล้ว +20

    trying not to cry, trying not to cry...
    _yeah, I'm crying, this got me tearful as fuck_

    • @lexxstrum
      @lexxstrum ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ~slides box of tissues over~
      Just when you think you can watch it and not have a reaction....

  • @isaiahblackmon2418
    @isaiahblackmon2418 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I went into this show thinking it was gonna be a Star Trek parody of some sort, but I am glad to say this show has an amazing balance of comedy and drama and I became HOOKED. So many unforgettable moments in this show, it is a must watch.

  • @stephenfarthing3819
    @stephenfarthing3819 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    And Klyden has now corrected his other, previous mistakes. He couldn't overcome these. Until now! He wants to change. And this is one huge positive first step. 😭 I haven't seen the third season of Orville, but oh my goodness! I want to. Now.

  • @davidfoster9041
    @davidfoster9041 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I love The Orville. The character arcs and how much they've grown and how emotional it can be. Overall it's probably one of my favorite shows ever.

  • @sw2953
    @sw2953 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I was in tears with this scene! The performance was so powerful!

    • @josefinbjork1086
      @josefinbjork1086 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes this is a beutiful moment i am crying everytime i watch this

  • @thomasbarca9297
    @thomasbarca9297 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    This is how you handle this type of topic without being preachy

  • @yammmit
    @yammmit ปีที่แล้ว +12

    i’ve watched this scene so many times and it still makes me cry. love this show so much

  • @joeywall4657
    @joeywall4657 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I'm crying. Never seen an episode. But still crying.

  • @freedomstar3930
    @freedomstar3930 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    And the award for most supportive parents goes to…Bortus and Klyden!

  • @rachelannsmart3710
    @rachelannsmart3710 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    This was such an important scene laced with all of the love, sadness, anger, and pain that exists when families deal with these very human issues. These actors knew the emotional impact of it, and delivered in fine style. I’m so proud of this show for so many reasons.

  • @ktm0629
    @ktm0629 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Whoever wrote this episode (I'm assuming Seth Macfarlane is one of them), I'm REALLY proud that they showed a scene where someone changed his ways for the best. For some reason the way I've seen it in most other movies and TV shows, most characters who are stubborn usually will never realize when they are wrong about anything until it is far too late to fix anything or make anything better (like both the rivaling families in the Romeo and Juliet tragedy).

  • @avenasia
    @avenasia ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Had me in tears the first time I watched it. Just so magnificently performed.

  • @Anglomachian
    @Anglomachian ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I love when he says that it's not okay. He actually means it. He knows that he's int he wrong. I love his character.

  • @GarnerWood
    @GarnerWood 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The acting in this scene is amazing. That shuddering breath of Bortus', you can feel the restrained rage in it. Then the exhale at the end you can literally see Bortus let go of all the anger and stress that had been building ever since the stuff with Toppa started.

  • @js3217
    @js3217 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    As corny as this show is at times, this is one of the most beautiful scenes, sci-fi or otherwise. Makes me verklempt every time!

  • @sgtmyers88
    @sgtmyers88 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    It's character moments like this that show why The Orville not only carries on the spirit of Star Trek, it does it better. The only thing that even compares with its character writing is DS9. This show needs at least 10 seasons. #RenewTheOrville #LongLiveTheOrville

  • @kieranburns3322
    @kieranburns3322 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The thing about this entire plot line: it educated those of us who did not understand... I mean we ( I ) sympathised but didn't actually understand. Through some epically good writing and truly superlative acting we were shown.
    and in all that, in all of that :we had a damn' good laugh, and a cry, a smile and (in my case) an actual shout out.
    Damn' but this is a good show.

  • @darkpaladinlanceramessesii5719
    @darkpaladinlanceramessesii5719 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The part i love is that both parents renounce their citizenship.

  • @nace4803
    @nace4803 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    That looks like the first breath of fresh air that man's taken in years

  • @Persian-Immortal
    @Persian-Immortal ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Remember when Star Trek would make you cry with episodes like this!

    • @warrenreid6109
      @warrenreid6109 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's been so long that I can't remember right off hand except the death of spock. Discovery has some great moments because SMG plays emotional moments so well and the fact that she looks like my niece.

    • @williampearson6299
      @williampearson6299 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@warrenreid6109 SMG? Soniqua Martin Green? Why the abbreviations?

    • @hagamapama
      @hagamapama ปีที่แล้ว

      Actually I've only ever had a couple Trek episodes hit me anywhere near this hard.
      Orville is the first one of these shows that purposely kept a bigoted character around just to watch everyone hate him and now 3 seasons in he's finally figured out what a dick he's been. This is a great payoff for 3 years of tension waiting for some sign that Klyden was capable of personal growth. Turns out he was, and the release of tension from this episode is all the better for being so long delayed. Finally we get to really see the spark of goodness that even exists in a person like Klyden.
      This is superior storytelling to Trek. Trek has never let the tension build up this long. With a very occasional exception in DS9 the characters that explore subjects like bigotry and intolerance are usually one show wonders. This isn't a one off character, this is a central supporting character, that we've watched be awful for a very long time. We know Klyden, we know why he now wants so desperately to change, and above all, we know how very, very far he has to go. That makes it hit much harder.
      It's just like the famous Nog-Sisko scene hits harder because we know Nog and know this is a big step for him and we understand why Sisko is wary -- because both characters have had time to marinate and have shown us who they were and how they are changing. Trek has almost never had the patience and planning to give us a payoff like this.

    • @RabbitShirak
      @RabbitShirak ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@hagamapama the TNG episode where Picard lives his entire life on an alien planet is a really emotional. Especially the flute song at the end.

    • @Persian-Immortal
      @Persian-Immortal ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@RabbitShirak oh man!
      When ever I watch that episode, I almost finished my box of tissues.
      Especially, the last part when he is alone in his room and playing the flute.

  • @disturbedpyro4511
    @disturbedpyro4511 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    It was so nice to see Klyden realize the error of his ways. We always knew he was a good person, he was just blinded by his entire society. Bortus experienced the same as well when Gordon and John show him Rudolph.😊
    I was absolutely shocked at how good this show is and how much it’s matured in such a short time. The first season was mostly comedic to draw in an audience. Then the drama started coming in more and by season three it has become one of my favorite shows. It’s well acted the characters are relatable and interesting individually and are distinct from each other. It also is ( as many others have said) the best Star Trek show that’s not actually Star Trek. My buddy and cousin are massive fans of Star Trek and both say this is what make for a great Star Trek series

  • @ashlyguzman4035
    @ashlyguzman4035 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The last second of this scene when Bortus finally breathed and lifted all heavy weight of his shoulder for Klydens redemption and love to his daughter spoke so much.

  • @zacharyberridge7239
    @zacharyberridge7239 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This show is way better than I ever thought it would be.

  • @spencervargas3841
    @spencervargas3841 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I like how there showing growth with this character. It shows anyone can change. I feel for that

  • @HeyhoBrando
    @HeyhoBrando 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    As funny as this show is, when it hits deep or has its deep moments it HITS DEEP and I love how Seth knows when to be funny and when to put it down and be like “nah real time”

  • @kcawks8585
    @kcawks8585 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    A love for a child, can change a lifetime of prejudice.

  • @ladykatherinena3199
    @ladykatherinena3199 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I love how raw and real this was. No quick fix, but full disclosure and a desire to change.

  • @tacoman10
    @tacoman10 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    This show does one of the things the first 3 Star Trek series were known doing for very well: Taking a real world, controversial issue and filtering it slightly through the fantastical so that it can be examined from many different angles without the audience feeling like the show is beating them over the head with it.

  • @SMP2390
    @SMP2390 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This is a pure example that love is far more rewarding than hate and a parent's love for their child just doesn't die right away.

  • @kelerews
    @kelerews 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I can't believe how good this show is... thank you so much for this episode, seth and writers 😭

  • @shawntross6104
    @shawntross6104 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I haven't had a cry in quite a while. This scene opened up some clogged pipes. Truly beautiful.

  • @Sarah-zr1nj
    @Sarah-zr1nj 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    My husband and I had tears in our eyes when Klyden walked through that door…

  • @jwisemanm
    @jwisemanm 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    That last scene of Bortus... You can feel the weight being lifted from his shoulders

  • @1cioda
    @1cioda 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Honestly this would go in my top 10 moments in tv. It's one of the best scenes ive ever seen snd i love it

  • @TheChill001
    @TheChill001 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I just loved the dynamics between borthus, klyden and topa, it was very good storytelling that pulled me into the story, the woes and whatnots they encountered and endured, the Orville truly was the series that gave the idea on how a modern star trek show should be

  • @FabledHeroes3351
    @FabledHeroes3351 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Klyden was instantly redeemed to me after this

  • @deezach9404
    @deezach9404 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The fact that this show can make me cry from laughter and cry from emotional scenes like these is incredible

  • @adrianaslund8605
    @adrianaslund8605 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    These two dads are probably the most interesting Seth Macfarlane characters.

  • @kirbstomp8666
    @kirbstomp8666 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I’m obsessed with the line “I allowed a lifetime of prejudice to cloud my judgement”
    Even a lifetime of prejudice is absolutely no excuse

  • @LostNbound
    @LostNbound หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    There needs to be a campaign to bring this show back like so many others.

    • @DavidLS1
      @DavidLS1 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I agree. MacFarlane is walking away from what could easily become the next Star Trek or Star Wars franchise.

  • @Rashala
    @Rashala ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Children are the one thing that can both damn us and redeem us

  • @NickyTannock
    @NickyTannock ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This made me happier than I thought it would. I got teary-eyed when Klyden said that he accepts Topa how she is.

  • @patrickjustincredibleballo902
    @patrickjustincredibleballo902 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    That was More Emotional than I EVER could have expected or anticipated! ❤️❤️❤️❤️