I really think that Seth McFarlane really just wanted to write Star Trek, so he disguised the early episodes of The Orville as "a parody", and by the time it was clearly no longer a parody, it was too much of its own thing to call a ripoff. And it leads to awesome moments like this.
This is partially accurate. Seth MacFarlane did want to write Star Trek. He was an extra in Star Trek Enterprise and was a huge fan of TNG and with the direction the Abrams/Kurtzman Trek was going he did want the Orville to counter it and bring back a better version of Star Trek closer to Rodenberrrys vision. However it was actually FOX at the time that forced the comedy into the Orville they wouldn't back it without it! I just hope that if there is a Season 4 that Disney doesn't ruin it by injecting their crap into it!
I think it's very similar to galaxy quest in that way. Something born out of love for the original show was created with such enthusiasm and care that it became in and of itself a piece of that show.
@zazelby Indeed. He offered to do Star Trek but in their short-sightedness they turned him down, so he made _'The Orville.'_ For years I have been telling people that this show is the true follow-on to _'The Next Generation'_ Era and rightful inheritor of the Star Trek legacy. Not Fake Trek: Duhscovery or Fake Trek: Pretendcard (Seasons 1&2. Season 3 of Picard made an honest effort to course correct and honor canon and the fans).
Simply powerful, not only was he defending his daughter, but the way he stared down his people, you can tell he was officially renouncing his entire planet.
He even put the union in a rough spot with the "member of THIS UNION" quote. he wasn't only accusing the moclans, but also the unions for never acting against maclus and basically giving them a pass. Every single thing the Moclans do represent the Union as long as moclus is part of it
Season 1 - Leaned more towards comedy Season 2 - Big improvement, less comedy Season 3 - Strong focus on story and conflict with a tinge of comedy. Really love how the Orville has grown.
or if you wanna go a different route, then the first season is the awkward faze of the show. and of the Orville Crew hence the need to create a form of comedy to laugh certain things off, however the longer the crew worked togheter the more they got to know each other and the less need for awkward comedy, and then finaly the crew is now a close knit group or just no longer that awkward bunch and the comedy is now more of means of what they originaly connected under so it will always have a bit of meaning in the series while the rest is starting to fall proper in theyr roles
I love all of the Orville but Season 3 is truly incredible. The tinge of humor is just perfect in this season. But also, the story as well as character development of this season was extremely satisfying!
You know what’s ironic depending on your choices in that game the one that spoke those lines ended up alone and saved by the very one they called a bully
The emotion Bortus showed was strong, and you can tell from the looks of the council members that they finally ran out of patience and tolerance for Moclus
What I like about that scene too is how they showed Captain Mercer's face when Bortus started talking since he too is a father of a daughter that's in the mist of a fanatical ideological society. But yeah that emotion... I couldn't help but feel rage for Bortus.I felt like he really wanted to hurt lot of more of his people for what they did to Topa.
Superdeath25 No matter how different their ideologies, I think very few of those alien societies are okay with the kidnapping, torturing, and potential murder of a child.
I think the most satisfying part about their expulsion was that it was a member of their own race… one raised on their traditions… not only standing up to them, but calling them out for all the injustices they’ve done. Not just to his daughter but for every female they’ve wronged, and for every action that they’ve taken on other matters too.
@@reptile1687 Partially. While Rudolph did indeed change his line of thought, he would have also been outraged had he seen his child tortured like this even while being a traditionalist. He may have been slightly hesitant to storm the black site, but this is still his child, and it's clear that both he and Klyden love her regardless of their beliefs.
"You must ANSWER.. for your CRIMES!" Oh man when Bortus speaks with passion, you can just FEEL it. The character is usually so controlled, you KNOW that when he's trying hard to hold it together and he's still getting emotional, it's a big deal!
Through speech alone he conveyed the emotions of a man allocating every single milligram of self-control he had to not just throttle every Moclus in that delegation.
You know in the first season they used the Orville's sensors to find the Moclan Female. Couldn't they use them to find the Moclan's who had been surgically altered? Cause I am sure the alterations are not perfect. The captain could have had the scans on the down low and then release that information at the hearing like 20 % of the moclans are born female or some number so huge it would shock everyone.
The way Peter Macon's (Bortus) voice went from cracking taking about his daughter, to absolute rage at the Mochlan's brutality shows what an excellent actor he is. Well done!
I loved the part at the end, any other show would have had the Union compromise their ideals for the sake of drama. Not this show. It was made very clear that the Union’s chances without the Moclans was very close to zero, but after seeing what the Moclans did they stood anyways.
Indeed the Moclans weapon development was the reason the Union were hesitant to stand up to them especially with the threat of Kaylon but they knew they had given the Moclan's too much without getting anything in return so they had to expel them. Luckily thanks to Moclans joining the Krill allowed the Union to team up with the Kaylon and in the end the void the Moclan left is filled with the Kaylon
@@ravinraven6913 Set McFarlane wanted The Orville to be like the third season right of the bat, but he had no choice to sell it as a comedy spoof for the first two.
This was a great scene. I swear, if the actor who plays Bortus doesn't get some kind of award for his acting, then there truly is no justice in the world
It's going on 4 decades that science fiction can get awards for makeup, special effects, score, and technical aspects. But TV absolutely detests rewarding acting in science fiction. Not when daytime soaps and streaming dramas are what critics admit to watching. This is another example of unappreciated acting in a science fiction series... ...unappreciated when it comes to award nominations.
@@varianschirmer9375It’s so aggravating too. The condescension sci-fi gets, no matter how high the quality of emotionality they tell us you need for recognition.
This right here is why The Orville is truly more Star Trek that modern star trek actually is. The pain and Anger you feel towards the Mochlans, that only gets worse when you see Topa enter. Then Bortus's speech breaks your heart. Then slowly you feel the hope as the committee starts to stand in solidarity. And when you find out the Mochlans have been expelled from the Union you're happy and just relieved. Then finally, like all good star trek always did, the episode leaves you hopeful for a better tomorrow. BUT still leaves you with questions about the outcomes of the decision and where this universe you're watching will find itself next week. The Fall, Rise and Leveling out of the hopes and dreams for a better tomorrow that Star trek has sadly forgotten. Perfection.
Honestly, this is more ethnically dubious and inspiring than anything star trek ever did. The Federation always *compromised*. The Union didn't. They didn't lose the Moclans. They kicked them the fuck out.
@@ItCameFromTheSkyBeLo Compromise isn't a bad thing though. In the End it is the only thing that can bring people together. We won't find anyone we agree with 100% of the time. So if we always stand on our own principles and ideas, we won't get anywhere. Compromise is needed.
@@arnewengertsmann9111 It isn't ALWAYS a bad thing. But it very much can be. There are people who we should never compromise with. There's a reason 'appeasement' is a dirty word in Europe.
AActually more. I was thinking about why Star Trek kind of bothers me, and looking at Orville I can see why. The Moclans aren't 'allies' they are part of the Union, but their attitudes are abysmal. But they make all the weapons meaning the Union has tolerated this behaviour for decades or centuries. Star Trek always plays up the idea of humans just being perfect, that they have 'evolved' to a perfect moral climate, which means when they do horrible things it is always 'for a good cause' and they are never wrong. But here the Union has actively done wrong and the conflict is how much longer they can tolerate being complicit with an act of barbarity. So they change, they do something which in Star Trek they wouldn't do. In Star Trek culture is supposed to be sancrosant, unchanging, so long as humans are 'perfect.' Here the humans know they are flawed, they fucked up, and now they have to either adhere to their principles or admit they don't have any, if they can allow this to continue. If this was Star Trek I don't think they'd admit to making a mistake.
Either you are high or you don't know what Fun, Fact or same means. The same ones, mean the exact ones they used. Same type would be closer to truth. Galaxy quest has the hole in the middle but its top is basically level, minus the spout. These are angled. And only the same in the sense they have a hole in the middle and the part that holds the liquid is the handle. Otherwise, the word same cannot be used if you're using the definition of the word...which is why we use those words. So that means its not a fact, and not the same. Now onto the word fun...how is that supposed to bring people pleasure and happiness? it doesn't? so this is why I think you're high, since you are using the other words correctly...
Bortus was incredible, but the moment that made me cry was when literally everyone stood. All these different people from all these different worlds putting side their differences to stare into the face of something truly terrible and say “no more” They don’t even think about it.
Before this, Moclan actions in enforcing their mono-gender society were just stories to many. Now, the evil of their actions is actually seen on a child's body and face. There are few things that will inspire rage in a moral being faster than the abuse of a child.
This whole season was expertly written. Seth was once a Star Trek fan and he wrote this as a fan of Star Trek. But this season shows, he not only wrote a great Trek, he outwrote Star Trek. The only regret I have is that the first season was too humorous. But like TNG, The Orville had to mature into the greatness it has become.
I only watched a few episodes of Season 1 and was convinced it was a send up of Star Trek or simply a barely there comedy. In view of this, I might reconsider later seasons.
@@danielyeshe Oddly enough I was fine with S1 of TNG, but it did improve as well. The first two episodes of The Orville bordered on slapstick to me, so I didn't bother with anymore. This is more like what it should be I think.
@@geoffroberts1126 I wonder if, in the beginning, The Orville needed to be a comedy. That way it has its own identity. Now it is established as its own thing it doesn't need the crutch.
On another vid a commenter noted, and I paraphrase, "Seth probably had to make this a comedy even to get it made, even though all he really wanted to do was his own Star Trek show."
Not just towards his species. "Members of this UNION planned to kill my child." He was basically calling out the entire Union and telling them to finally step to their stated ideals rather than give Moclus another pass because they needed Moclan weapons.
It's incredible how powerful this show can be. To think it was first presented as something like a Star Trek comedy. My dad didn't get it at first until I explained you needed to watch it understanding this is what it would be like with regular schmucks in Starfleet. I think the comedy element really helped it find its footing and better separate itself from Star Trek. I mean the whole idea of moclans started as a joke. "A whole race of men only? LOL!" And now look at how they evolved that.
Another example is the Joke of Bortus singing. He once casually proclaimed „I sing“ and it was just random and thus funny. Then we had the interrupted Karaoke, yet again hilarious. When he finally sings it is beautiful, somber and all for his daughter. It makes you cry your eyes out.
The only thing that would have made this scene better is if you knew that the first race to stand up was either really close to the Moclans, believed to be the next targets of the Kaylon, or well known for staying neutral in galactic politics; that for them this issue was more important that the other stuff.
People have been rightfully calling out how great this line is, but what stands out the most to me is specifically that "yoouuuhh." You can feel how close he is to losing language completely and just going nuts.
This season of The Orville was a tour de force... and honestly in my opinion, the best sci fi we've had since the reimagined BSG. This season was FILLED with brilliance, heart and gut wrenching moments just like this and with the fan reaction being so overwhelmingly good, I really, really hope that Hulu are paying attention and renew this show without delay. Because it will be an absolute travesty if they do not.
@@deanfirnatine7814 I know, right? Discovery and Picard are ridiculously bad. I've no idea how you take something with so much potential and completely fook it up. Strange New Worlds however, was very good... but it still wasn't a patch on The Orville and it's writing.
I loved Bortus' speech and impassionate words. I loved the courage of his daughter. I love that the Council all supported them. The Moclus needed to know "it is great to be female" also.
I have to say, when this series first started, I wrote it off as a generic Star Trek rip off told through the lens McFarlane's Family Guy puerile humor. I'm glad to have been proven wrong. Orville really does deliver some solid storytelling episodes. I hope they get a season 4. They deserve it!
same here. I didn't even start it for several years cause I too wrote it off as comedic star trek. And seeing it was created by the guy who created Family Guy, a show I absolutely loathed, only served to write me off more. But then I was at a friend's house and they were watching the Orville. And they asked if I was concerned about spoilers, which I said no cause I wasn't interested in watching the show. So they saw the season finale of season 1 with me along for the ride. That moment changed my life. I went home that day, asked my gf for her Hulu account, and straight binged the first 2 seasons. And absolutely loved the 3rd season. I couldn't believe how good it was. Forget sci-fi, I think Orville put out some of the finest tv overall with the 2nd half of season 2 and all of season 3.
In fairness, that sort of humour was injected into the first few episodes, so I think a lot of us wrote it off to begin with… but I’m really glad I stuck through them, because even the majority of season 1 was good, and the show just got that much better in season 2. This season, despite Covid and the extra long wait between seasons, endured through and came out stronger than ever. Here’s to hoping that the higher ups realise that and renew the show for a long time to come!
wel i started watching it because it was what star trek should be not wat it is now and so far the doing what was promised good star trek the even building some good lore how ever moor ship ship models need it fast every species got 2 /3 models it stands out when u do epic space battles
I've stuck with The Orville since season one and have watched it mature into what it is today. The emotion of this season and watching the characters grow into strong people as well as a strong storyline is nothing short but amazing. We weren't sure when we first started watching, but in time we grew to love the characters and everything that goes into this show. They really do cover a lot of ground in every episode and make the show well worth watching. I really hope Seth keeps this show running for a while, because this is really something worth watching. The characters themselves are so diverse and I love it!
How many TV shows have the balls to delve into the quagmire of TG politics and handle it with sensitivity and honesty? well played Seth well played indeed.
Seth handled these topics with such care and humility. Unlike ST Discovery who practically shoved it down our throats and acted like they were the first to portray it. Sorry but ST has been incorporating these matters for over 30 years in the same way Seth has done in The Orville.
I don’t care about culture wars and would consider myself more ‘woke’ then incel. I thought this was done well. Discovery was terrible and so was Picard.
They don't beat you over the head with it, that's what i like. They handle it in a way that won't scare off people. When a show gets preachy, that's when I tune out.
" let HIM stand now" notice the use of pronoun in the speech. Very Moclan dialogue since they are a prodominately male race. Also notice it is Bortus who speaks which is a male who is accusing his own species of the brutality. Very subtle, whether intentional or coincidental is for you to decide.
I love this show. It's my new star trek. I hope there will be a season 4. They say the future of this show rests on the viewers. So I continually watch this show every night in support.
I have watched all episodes at least three times on Hulu. Now I’m working on watching all for the second time around on Disney+ because I think Disney will ultimately decide on a season 4 since they now own Hulu.
I hope so too. Between Orville season three and the first season of Strange New Worlds, it's good to have two good Star Trek shows atm. Lower Decks isn't bad either. But Strange New Worlds finally feels like Star Trek again. And the Orville is just a joy to watch. They almost make up for Discovery and Picard's poor writing.
@@TomGallagherSuperboyBeyond Have you ever checked out Prodigy? It's aimed for younger audiences but I find it to still be enjoyable for older audiences because it doesn't dumb things down.
@@thegoose1005 I actually checked it out not too long after my old comment. And i agree, it's great. Probably the current era Trek show that feels most like a Burman production. Though with the serialisation that makes DS9 so great to binge. Yeah. Love it. The episode with time dilation and different parts of the ship are moving at different speeds. Absolutely incredible. Especially the sadness of it's ending. "too long."
I hereby decree that The Orville shall no longer be declared a spoof but a true successor to Star Trek, for those who agree with this statement say "Aye" but for those who disagree, speak now or forever hold your peace. Edit: Then it has been decided... From this day forth even after it's series finale, The Orville shall be known as the the true successor of Star Trek while other Star Trek series that failed to live up to it's names such as "Star Trek: Discovery" and "Star Trek: Picard" shall be terminated. Thank you all for your cooperation and may you all boldly go where no man has gone before!
Exactly. It's time to take all the established races and find a common threat that they can ally, betray, fight and discuss for a couple seasons. The Kaylon were that in season 2 and 3, now we need a bigger fish.
The shows been canceled because Seth can't keep up with running 3 shows and Orville costs more than American Dad and Family Guy combined plus they didn't want to continue the show without Norm Macdonald and ended it as a tribute... This has been public knowledge for a few months now.
If there is a fourth season to The Orville, I think two interesting stories would be how the Moclans fair with being expelled from the Union and how the Union deals with the loss of Moclan tactical experience and firepower.
My own take on the Moclans is this:- A long time ago the Moclans were 2 sexes, male and female, an advanced race came along and genetically engineered the Moclans into 1 sex with the children having a quick childhood so that they could become soldiers faster, and this other race would have a ready supply of troops, for whatever reason they didn’t or they barely got round to using the Moclans. The females who are being born is nature’s way of trying to correct what was done to the Moclans. I also reckon that the Moclan high council know this and it's why they have zero tolerance for any deviation which could spell the end of their rule. It would make for an interesting episode to show that Moclus was built on a lie.
Awsome theory I thought that because moclus has such harsh enviorment they thought females wont survive which is why they perform the surgery but over the years it changed fromsurvival to hate
@@072kratos From whats been said in the episodes the Moclans haven't really cared about the damage done to their environment by the various weapons tests that have been done over the years.
I know that this is the basis for the Jem Hadar in Star Trek DS9. Genetically Engineered soldiers and races have become a Sci-Fi troupe over the past decades and it would be an interesting take on the Moclans
it colud explain the massive gender dimorphism between the two, and how the ones who have the surgery mutate so much to be come basically men without any follow-up in their teen years and the egg thing easier shipping
It might not even involve another species. The all-male Moclans could be a result of past Eugenics experiments. They may have thought of females as too weak and tried to breed them out of their population.
This season was insanely good. The way this series went from a fun space faring comedy, to sci fi drama was so cool to behold. I'm glad they didn't completely remove the comedy but it's very much subdued, that's for sure. I loved this episode. From Bortus' show of emotion to Moclus finally getting the shaft. The only thing that made me sigh was Klyden's return. It made perfect sense but still... Klyden. Ugh, he's the absolute worst. 😅
Having viewed some other clips, it looks as though he's made a change for the better, he reconciles with his daughter. I really ought to watch the show.
@@asvarien Very true, I'm glad he reconciled with his daughter. But he was such a pain the the butt leading up to that point. Always upset about one thing or another. So annoying.
Kylden WAS the worst.....except for the smoking episode and when he and Bortus were dancing in the holo suite, bc that was hilarious. I will say at the end of this episode and the rest of the season he really did do a 180. It's easy to forget but Klyden was also born female and didn't have a say in what happened to him either. He went through all the same emotions Toppa did, but didn't know why until much later in his life. He's spent most of his life pushing these feeling down and it just left him bitter. I really hope if we get a season 4 (please give us season 4) that we see more of him dealing with his past trauma and trying to be a good partner and father to Bortus and Toppa.
Bortus' actor absolutely nailed this scene. The pain and conflict he had to go through with unlearning his own prejudice for the sake of his child, and having the people he once believed were good take his daughter from him and nearly kill her. Bortus is the MVP of the orville no doubt
can we talk about how damn talented the whole crew of the orville really are each actor shows immense emotion and almost every part of the show i think its awesome.
Dont know why but the music (trumpets, starting probably around 2:34 ) made me think about the exact same tempo and type as from Saving Private Ryan. Love it.
Some people in the comments were hoping for the delegate to die in ritualistic combat but it would have taken from this wonderful moment of sincerity. Like when Worf spared Toral’s life. It demonstrated how far he came from that bloodthirsty Klingon who killed Duras to becoming a truly honorable man.
2:05 for a man so reserved, to see tears welling up in his eyes when he shouts "And you must Answer For Your Crimes!", and then to see literal streaks flowing down his face at 3:19
Probably the strongest entrance in any council chamber since Ambassador Sarek's in "Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home" and Colonel Blair's in "Wing Commander IV: The Price of Freedom".
Peter Macon is fantastic in this scene. It’s in his voice and even under all that makeup, it’s clear what he’s expressing. It’s not just the rage of a father whose child was hurt. It’s the sadness over the trauma Topa experienced, its the betrayal by his people, his helplessness in the face of being unable to prevent what happened and to make the galaxy a safe place for his daughter to live. And above it all? The guilt. The insurmountable parental guilt for failing to protect her from all of it. Peter Macon deserves an Emmy for his role as Bortus. He’s often played as a joke in many scenes, but scenes like this? In only a few lines, he evoked more emotion and sympathy than I’ve felt on TV in many years. I can only hope his talent is truly recognized.
Best part about this scene is that after all that bluster and grandstanding from the maclon representatives, once bortus came in with his kid they knew they lost all credibility and standing in the union.
For me, besides the incredible writing of this episode, this is one of the two most emotional scenes ever shot and Adrian Pawlicki was in both. The other is Marvel's Agents Of Shield "A Spy's Goodbye"
I have never seen anything else Peter Macon's been in, but this show, this season, and this episode specifically have made him one of my favorite actors.
I just looked up his IMDB profile and didn't realize the number of shows and games I've seen and heard him in. Mind you it's been a long time since I've seen those shows and games, but it's cool to look back and see what he's been in.
As a trans man, Topah's story made me cry proper rolling tears. Never in my life have I seen media depict anything close to the politicization of gender identity in such a darkly accurate, yet optimistic light. I felt seen. I still do. Thank you Seth. You did real good.
You still aren't a man and will never know our problems. You have your own problems. You don't need to identify as a man. You can identify as wanting to be a man but it is just as immuteable as race.
"Ayo, meeting's going on. You can't-(sees Topa's face) Gods above! Well, just...wait for a minute, I'll check if there's a proper-(Overhears Moclan speech) Okay, that's-that's now. Get in, get in. Hey kid? You're brave, you know that?
It takes a skilled writer to immerse us in the world of alien governments but if they do they manage to pull off something special. Kudos to that moclan senator actor for pulling off this scene and seth for having such love for star trek he managed to pull this off.
That stare at 3:20. That was the stare of "You're only still standing because someone has to go back and warn the others to avoid crossing paths with me for the next 200 years."
When the Orville started, I always hated it when they focused on Bortus and the Mocclans as it always seemed to devolve into juevenile humour. It says a lot that not only is this one of my favourite scenes of the season, but they've made me care a lot more about Bortus and the Mocclan storyline since those early days. Season 3 has been great for so many reasons, including bringing in Bruce Boxleitner (one of my favourite actors) as president of the union, but we can all agree the writing is perhaps where this season shined the most.
1 of the best scenes of The Orville: Bortus stod up to his species when they went too far. I do hope Season 3 of The Orville gets a DVD release. A tv-series SHOULD have ALL its seasons released on DVD. I dont wanna knee infront of streaming-services & i dont wonna rely on them when i wanna see something, I wanna have them on Physical-Media & i STILL support Physical-Media! I also hope for MORE seasons of The Orville & i hope MORE Star Trek actors like William Shatner, Patrick Stewart & John DeLancie will guest appear on it to.
Even without the context of the episode but particularly when watching this as part of the episode this scene is so powerful, easily one of if not the most powerful of the season. I'm almost through with a rewatch of the entire series, this time on Disney+, and I already want to start again. It's just such an excellent show.
The Kaylong aren't really analogous to the Borg, but at the same time, it would still make sense because nobody is less racist than the Borg. They literally take anyone.
There wouldn't be the show "The Orville" if the creator didn't overslept. This is what I heard. On September 10, 2001, Seth MacFarlane got drunk. On September 11, 2001, he was so drunk that he overslept in his hotel room and missed his flight. That flight is one of the planes that flew into the World Trade Center in New York. That is one of stories that came to a good end.
Damn I want to learn about all these races, who they are and why they're in the Union. Does anyone else think Union Central could be its own spinoff series similar to B5 or DS9? Diplomatic and political drama in space as the Union tackles the hard issues that threaten to divide it?
Im'a stop you right there, and tell you to leave fanfic land. Because that's a terrible idea. If you wags write a series of stories based on original characters all on a space station go right ahead, first set the tone, then the theme, then the ruled. Then decide each of your characters personalities, then write the story, giving realistic consequences for each characters actions and decisions. Don't use characters other people created to tell a story that they reasonably wouldn't be part of. We've got enough of that shit already.
You know you F'd up when the Cenobite representatives from the Hellraiser world think you went too far.
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They were the first ones up too after Bortus shouted.
They do look like cenobites
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I love how Bortus doesn’t ignore just how prejudice Moclus truly is and that they often play the victim when they don’t get their way.
We went all the way from Bortus being mystified with Rudolph in S1..
So Bortus is a Liberal
@@brianmiller5750 bortus is a reformer he sees something wrong and it needs to change in a fundamental way. That's not the same.
@@808INFantry11X that's pretty much the definition of progressivism.
@@brianmiller5750 Get out of the echo chamber, my guy.
I really think that Seth McFarlane really just wanted to write Star Trek, so he disguised the early episodes of The Orville as "a parody", and by the time it was clearly no longer a parody, it was too much of its own thing to call a ripoff. And it leads to awesome moments like this.
I think "Lower Decks" was Trek's response to the first season of "The Orville".
This is partially accurate. Seth MacFarlane did want to write Star Trek. He was an extra in Star Trek Enterprise and was a huge fan of TNG and with the direction the Abrams/Kurtzman Trek was going he did want the Orville to counter it and bring back a better version of Star Trek closer to Rodenberrrys vision. However it was actually FOX at the time that forced the comedy into the Orville they wouldn't back it without it! I just hope that if there is a Season 4 that Disney doesn't ruin it by injecting their crap into it!
I think it's very similar to galaxy quest in that way. Something born out of love for the original show was created with such enthusiasm and care that it became in and of itself a piece of that show.
Honestly I just treat this series as canon to Star Trek. Inconsistencies be damned.
@zazelby Indeed. He offered to do Star Trek but in their short-sightedness they turned him down, so he made _'The Orville.'_
For years I have been telling people that this show is the true follow-on to _'The Next Generation'_ Era and rightful inheritor of the Star Trek legacy.
Not Fake Trek: Duhscovery or Fake Trek: Pretendcard (Seasons 1&2. Season 3 of Picard made an honest effort to course correct and honor canon and the fans).
Simply powerful, not only was he defending his daughter, but the way he stared down his people, you can tell he was officially renouncing his entire planet.
What father wouldn’t seeing such horrors that were inflicted on their child?
Hell hath no fury, like a Father's wrath.
He even put the union in a rough spot with the "member of THIS UNION" quote. he wasn't only accusing the moclans, but also the unions for never acting against maclus and basically giving them a pass. Every single thing the Moclans do represent the Union as long as moclus is part of it
Even more powerful - so did Klyden. His love for his daughter overcame his loyalty to his planet and their doctrine.
@@profchaos91 Exactly this. He purposely addressed them that way to tell the Union that if they condone this, they are part of it.
Chills and tears when Bortis shouts, "You are Liars, and you are butchers. And you must answer for your crimes!"
2:16-2:26 Do I hear a second on that?
imagine his self restraint, not to jump over that table to take his revenge on them.
A truly great actor.
@@Juidodin Hell hath no fury, like a father's wrath.
I have said many times as a father of two daughters. You do not fuck with a father's daughter and expect no repercussions.
Season 1 - Leaned more towards comedy
Season 2 - Big improvement, less comedy
Season 3 - Strong focus on story and conflict with a tinge of comedy.
Really love how the Orville has grown.
or if you wanna go a different route, then the first season is the awkward faze of the show. and of the Orville Crew hence the need to create a form of comedy to laugh certain things off, however the longer the crew worked togheter the more they got to know each other and the less need for awkward comedy, and then finaly the crew is now a close knit group or just no longer that awkward bunch and the comedy is now more of means of what they originaly connected under so it will always have a bit of meaning in the series while the rest is starting to fall proper in theyr roles
like all of the great star trek series, the first season stumbles a bit before they catch their stride.
I just hope the popularity of the third season is enough for them to renew again, the studio has been silent ever since season 3 came to an end.
I love all of the Orville but Season 3 is truly incredible. The tinge of humor is just perfect in this season. But also, the story as well as character development of this season was extremely satisfying!
Also it was marketed in the commercials as a comedy. Then I watched it, and I was like wait, this IS Star Trek.
“A bully has few friends when he needs them most.” -Mass Effect
You know what’s ironic depending on your choices in that game the one that spoke those lines ended up alone and saved by the very one they called a bully
Ahh "Friends" we have dismissed this claim.
@@kreigguardsman3355 wasn’t that the salerien diplomat in Mass effect 3?
Said by the bully in that situation
@@jacknapier8201 from everyone’s point of view, often the other is the bully.
The emotion Bortus showed was strong, and you can tell from the looks of the council members that they finally ran out of patience and tolerance for Moclus
The emotion is all the stronger based on just how restrained Bortus always tries to be.
What I like about that scene too is how they showed Captain Mercer's face when Bortus started talking since he too is a father of a daughter that's in the mist of a fanatical ideological society.
But yeah that emotion... I couldn't help but feel rage for Bortus.I felt like he really wanted to hurt lot of more of his people for what they did to Topa.
I thought the Union Council members, after they'd stood up, would do what the Klingons do: Shun the Moclans by turning their backs to them.
@@hagamapama Hell hath no fury, like a father's wrath.
Superdeath25 No matter how different their ideologies, I think very few of those alien societies are okay with the kidnapping, torturing, and potential murder of a child.
I think the most satisfying part about their expulsion was that it was a member of their own race… one raised on their traditions… not only standing up to them, but calling them out for all the injustices they’ve done. Not just to his daughter but for every female they’ve wronged, and for every action that they’ve taken on other matters too.
All thanks to Rudolph the red nose reindeer
@@reptile1687 Partially. While Rudolph did indeed change his line of thought, he would have also been outraged had he seen his child tortured like this even while being a traditionalist. He may have been slightly hesitant to storm the black site, but this is still his child, and it's clear that both he and Klyden love her regardless of their beliefs.
Always remember who stood first. The Dakeeli was having non of that Moclus nonsense.
Makes sense, wasn't their whole thing self-determination and the Moclan's attitudes are the antithesis of that.
In the legendary words of Captain Jean Luc Picard: “The line must be drawn here! This far, no further!!!”
And also the words of Quark, Son of Keldar, leader of the House of Quark, for a few hours, but still!
sorry but I read that in Sheldon Coopers voice haha
Picard would love the universe of the Orville
In the words of Steve Rogers: "Plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world - 'No, you move.' "
Good quote but, bad example. I mean, Picard was wrong when he said that. x_x
"You must ANSWER.. for your CRIMES!" Oh man when Bortus speaks with passion, you can just FEEL it. The character is usually so controlled, you KNOW that when he's trying hard to hold it together and he's still getting emotional, it's a big deal!
Through speech alone he conveyed the emotions of a man allocating every single milligram of self-control he had to not just throttle every Moclus in that delegation.
@@tanall5959 He "conveyed" that any Moclus not leaving that room in a box was a bloody miracle.
"If anyone can credibly dispute the legality of our position, let him stand now!"
Next minute. Standing.
You know in the first season they used the Orville's sensors to find the Moclan Female. Couldn't they use them to find the Moclan's who had been surgically altered? Cause I am sure the alterations are not perfect. The captain could have had the scans on the down low and then release that information at the hearing like 20 % of the moclans are born female or some number so huge it would shock everyone.
The way Peter Macon's (Bortus) voice went from cracking taking about his daughter, to absolute rage at the Mochlan's brutality shows what an excellent actor he is. Well done!
Man seeing Bortus barely contain his anger and hurt hit HARD. Amazing acting!
Bortus' actor knocked this scene out of the park.
by far one of the best scene in the series that hits you in the feels.
All the more impressive, conveying barely controlled anger and outrage through prosthetic make up.
Nothing is scarier than the fury of a good man. Especially if that good man's child is hurt, then even demons and monsters will quake in fear.
Considering Bortus already beat the crap out of the man *directly* responsible for torturing his daughter, this was comparatively easy for him.
I loved the part at the end, any other show would have had the Union compromise their ideals for the sake of drama. Not this show. It was made very clear that the Union’s chances without the Moclans was very close to zero, but after seeing what the Moclans did they stood anyways.
Indeed the Moclans weapon development was the reason the Union were hesitant to stand up to them especially with the threat of Kaylon but they knew they had given the Moclan's too much without getting anything in return so they had to expel them. Luckily thanks to Moclans joining the Krill allowed the Union to team up with the Kaylon and in the end the void the Moclan left is filled with the Kaylon
We don’t response to bullies but we sure as hell make it known you won’t get away with it. That’s the beauty of this
From the joke of peeing once a year, to turning it into a badass ceremony, to this... Incredible.
just wish they didn't take 5 bloody years to get serious
@@ravinraven6913
Set McFarlane wanted The Orville to be like the third season right of the bat, but he had no choice to sell it as a comedy spoof for the first two.
Bortus' saying "... my child! .." is just a dagger through the heart. Peter Macon killed those two words.
Thankfully the Moclans didn't
@@KazBarVT😭
"By unanimous decision, this council declares the planet of Moclus expelled from the Planetary Union."
Fun fact: this was filmed in the Walt Disney concert hall auditorium. Behind the banner is a weird pipe organ
i can understand the rage of a father towards beings he thought were honorable that harmed his child
We need more seasons of The Orville, this show is such a genuine love letter to Star Trek and it’s so good
This was a great scene. I swear, if the actor who plays Bortus doesn't get some kind of award for his acting, then there truly is no justice in the world
He won't
It's going on 4 decades that science fiction can get awards for makeup, special effects, score, and technical aspects.
But TV absolutely detests rewarding acting in science fiction. Not when daytime soaps and streaming dramas are what critics admit to watching.
This is another example of unappreciated acting in a science fiction series...
...unappreciated when it comes to award nominations.
@@varianschirmer9375It’s so aggravating too. The condescension sci-fi gets, no matter how high the quality of emotionality they tell us you need for recognition.
This right here is why The Orville is truly more Star Trek that modern star trek actually is.
The pain and Anger you feel towards the Mochlans, that only gets worse when you see Topa enter. Then Bortus's speech breaks your heart.
Then slowly you feel the hope as the committee starts to stand in solidarity. And when you find out the Mochlans have been expelled from the Union you're happy and just relieved.
Then finally, like all good star trek always did, the episode leaves you hopeful for a better tomorrow. BUT still leaves you with questions about the outcomes of the decision and where this universe you're watching will find itself next week.
The Fall, Rise and Leveling out of the hopes and dreams for a better tomorrow that Star trek has sadly forgotten.
Perfection.
Honestly, this is more ethnically dubious and inspiring than anything star trek ever did.
The Federation always *compromised*.
The Union didn't. They didn't lose the Moclans. They kicked them the fuck out.
This honestly feels like Berman era Trek. The acting, the themes, the music. It's glorious.
@@ItCameFromTheSkyBeLo Compromise isn't a bad thing though. In the End it is the only thing that can bring people together. We won't find anyone we agree with 100% of the time. So if we always stand on our own principles and ideas, we won't get anywhere. Compromise is needed.
@@arnewengertsmann9111 It isn't ALWAYS a bad thing. But it very much can be. There are people who we should never compromise with. There's a reason 'appeasement' is a dirty word in Europe.
AActually more. I was thinking about why Star Trek kind of bothers me, and looking at Orville I can see why. The Moclans aren't 'allies' they are part of the Union, but their attitudes are abysmal. But they make all the weapons meaning the Union has tolerated this behaviour for decades or centuries. Star Trek always plays up the idea of humans just being perfect, that they have 'evolved' to a perfect moral climate, which means when they do horrible things it is always 'for a good cause' and they are never wrong. But here the Union has actively done wrong and the conflict is how much longer they can tolerate being complicit with an act of barbarity. So they change, they do something which in Star Trek they wouldn't do. In Star Trek culture is supposed to be sancrosant, unchanging, so long as humans are 'perfect.' Here the humans know they are flawed, they fucked up, and now they have to either adhere to their principles or admit they don't have any, if they can allow this to continue. If this was Star Trek I don't think they'd admit to making a mistake.
After everything that's happened in the show before now, seeing Moclus getting kicked out was incredibly satisfying 😊
Made me tear up
I've watched this scene several times and I still get misty... bruh....
Made me smile.
It so was. I was even more psyched when Gordon went off on the ambassador.
and now pretty much there seat now is taken up by the Kaylon who orginally were the union's strongest allies against then, how's that for irony.
Bortus must be so confused-
"Wait. Why is everyone standing up?"
Yes, but once someone explains it to him, he will not only understand but will be gratified for the support.
As a father that defended his child, I think he knew.
Be afraid of a soft spoken man brought to shout.
Fun fact , the water pitchers on the tables are same ones used in the movie galaxy quest
neat
And Babylon 5.
Either you are high or you don't know what Fun, Fact or same means. The same ones, mean the exact ones they used. Same type would be closer to truth. Galaxy quest has the hole in the middle but its top is basically level, minus the spout. These are angled. And only the same in the sense they have a hole in the middle and the part that holds the liquid is the handle. Otherwise, the word same cannot be used if you're using the definition of the word...which is why we use those words.
So that means its not a fact, and not the same. Now onto the word fun...how is that supposed to bring people pleasure and happiness? it doesn't? so this is why I think you're high, since you are using the other words correctly...
@@ravinraven6913 you out here hating harder than Kendrick, over something you could’ve just corrected him on
@@ravinraven6913 my dude you are a clown
Love that everyone in that room regardless of differences was united in disgust against a government that allows the torture and murder of children.
All people can agree that torture and torture and/or murder of children is a great evil.
@@roguejester4986agreed.
It’s a universal no no.
Bortus was incredible, but the moment that made me cry was when literally everyone stood. All these different people from all these different worlds putting side their differences to stare into the face of something truly terrible and say “no more” They don’t even think about it.
Before this, Moclan actions in enforcing their mono-gender society were just stories to many. Now, the evil of their actions is actually seen on a child's body and face. There are few things that will inspire rage in a moral being faster than the abuse of a child.
This whole season was expertly written. Seth was once a Star Trek fan and he wrote this as a fan of Star Trek. But this season shows, he not only wrote a great Trek, he outwrote Star Trek. The only regret I have is that the first season was too humorous. But like TNG, The Orville had to mature into the greatness it has become.
I only watched a few episodes of Season 1 and was convinced it was a send up of Star Trek or simply a barely there comedy. In view of this, I might reconsider later seasons.
@@geoffroberts1126 You won't regret it. Just as season 1 of TNG is not representative of the rest of the show the same is true of The Orville.
@@danielyeshe Oddly enough I was fine with S1 of TNG, but it did improve as well. The first two episodes of The Orville bordered on slapstick to me, so I didn't bother with anymore. This is more like what it should be I think.
@@geoffroberts1126 I wonder if, in the beginning, The Orville needed to be a comedy. That way it has its own identity. Now it is established as its own thing it doesn't need the crutch.
On another vid a commenter noted, and I paraphrase, "Seth probably had to make this a comedy even to get it made, even though all he really wanted to do was his own Star Trek show."
The anger in Bortus's voice, his heartfelt devastation and betrayal by his species, was a gut-punch to my soul the first time I watched this.
Not just towards his species. "Members of this UNION planned to kill my child." He was basically calling out the entire Union and telling them to finally step to their stated ideals rather than give Moclus another pass because they needed Moclan weapons.
if they had more stuff like this I wouldn't have stopped watching half way through the first season, it was just too much family guy still.
It's incredible how powerful this show can be. To think it was first presented as something like a Star Trek comedy. My dad didn't get it at first until I explained you needed to watch it understanding this is what it would be like with regular schmucks in Starfleet. I think the comedy element really helped it find its footing and better separate itself from Star Trek. I mean the whole idea of moclans started as a joke. "A whole race of men only? LOL!" And now look at how they evolved that.
Another example is the Joke of Bortus singing. He once casually proclaimed „I sing“ and it was just random and thus funny. Then we had the interrupted Karaoke, yet again hilarious.
When he finally sings it is beautiful, somber and all for his daughter. It makes you cry your eyes out.
@@DarthFerder And I can't empathise enough how amazing Bortus is as a singer. 🙂
The only thing that would have made this scene better is if you knew that the first race to stand up was either really close to the Moclans, believed to be the next targets of the Kaylon, or well known for staying neutral in galactic politics; that for them this issue was more important that the other stuff.
“You are LIARS…. And yooooouuu are BUTCHERS…. And you must ANSWER FOR YOUR CRIMES!!”
People have been rightfully calling out how great this line is, but what stands out the most to me is specifically that "yoouuuhh." You can feel how close he is to losing language completely and just going nuts.
This began as joke about a masuculine alien laying and sitting on an egg.
This season of The Orville was a tour de force... and honestly in my opinion, the best sci fi we've had since the reimagined BSG. This season was FILLED with brilliance, heart and gut wrenching moments just like this and with the fan reaction being so overwhelmingly good, I really, really hope that Hulu are paying attention and renew this show without delay. Because it will be an absolute travesty if they do not.
well this means they won;t renew it
Next season! Nuff said
Strange this started out as a comedy but evolved to fill the void of no decent Sci Fi, Lord knows Star Trek Discovery or Picard does not.
@@deanfirnatine7814 I know, right? Discovery and Picard are ridiculously bad. I've no idea how you take something with so much potential and completely fook it up. Strange New Worlds however, was very good... but it still wasn't a patch on The Orville and it's writing.
...what about The Expanse?
The Orville went from "what if star trek, but silly" to "what if star trek, but good" XD
I loved Bortus' speech and impassionate words. I loved the courage of his daughter. I love that the Council all supported them. The Moclus needed to know "it is great to be female" also.
I love how much emotion Bortus put into this. His normally stoic attitude really sets the stage for surprise.
I have to say, when this series first started, I wrote it off as a generic Star Trek rip off told through the lens McFarlane's Family Guy puerile humor. I'm glad to have been proven wrong. Orville really does deliver some solid storytelling episodes. I hope they get a season 4. They deserve it!
same here. I didn't even start it for several years cause I too wrote it off as comedic star trek. And seeing it was created by the guy who created Family Guy, a show I absolutely loathed, only served to write me off more.
But then I was at a friend's house and they were watching the Orville. And they asked if I was concerned about spoilers, which I said no cause I wasn't interested in watching the show. So they saw the season finale of season 1 with me along for the ride. That moment changed my life.
I went home that day, asked my gf for her Hulu account, and straight binged the first 2 seasons. And absolutely loved the 3rd season. I couldn't believe how good it was. Forget sci-fi, I think Orville put out some of the finest tv overall with the 2nd half of season 2 and all of season 3.
In fairness, that sort of humour was injected into the first few episodes, so I think a lot of us wrote it off to begin with… but I’m really glad I stuck through them, because even the majority of season 1 was good, and the show just got that much better in season 2.
This season, despite Covid and the extra long wait between seasons, endured through and came out stronger than ever.
Here’s to hoping that the higher ups realise that and renew the show for a long time to come!
I must agree I really didn’t take the first season that seriously
Same here. SO glad I was wrong.
wel i started watching it because it was what star trek should be not wat it is now and so far the doing what was promised good star trek the even building some good lore how ever moor ship ship models need it fast every species got 2 /3 models it stands out when u do epic space battles
I've stuck with The Orville since season one and have watched it mature into what it is today. The emotion of this season and watching the characters grow into strong people as well as a strong storyline is nothing short but amazing. We weren't sure when we first started watching, but in time we grew to love the characters and everything that goes into this show. They really do cover a lot of ground in every episode and make the show well worth watching. I really hope Seth keeps this show running for a while, because this is really something worth watching. The characters themselves are so diverse and I love it!
Every season gets better imo, I hope they do another
How many TV shows have the balls to delve into the quagmire of TG politics and handle it with sensitivity and honesty? well played Seth well played indeed.
Seth handled these topics with such care and humility. Unlike ST Discovery who practically shoved it down our throats and acted like they were the first to portray it. Sorry but ST has been incorporating these matters for over 30 years in the same way Seth has done in The Orville.
@@reidtyndall4953 Poor baby, show us on the doll where ST hurt you.
I don’t care about culture wars and would consider myself more ‘woke’ then incel. I thought this was done well. Discovery was terrible and so was Picard.
@@jamesbuchanan4414 he literally just told you what the problem is :D you can take your dolls and childish behaviour
They don't beat you over the head with it, that's what i like. They handle it in a way that won't scare off people. When a show gets preachy, that's when I tune out.
This was one of the best , most powerful scenes on the orville series.
One of the best in recent memory .
Bravo
" let HIM stand now" notice the use of pronoun in the speech. Very Moclan dialogue since they are a prodominately male race. Also notice it is Bortus who speaks which is a male who is accusing his own species of the brutality. Very subtle, whether intentional or coincidental is for you to decide.
Either way, the power of this scene cannot be denied.
I love this show. It's my new star trek. I hope there will be a season 4. They say the future of this show rests on the viewers. So I continually watch this show every night in support.
I need to rewatch it now
I have watched all episodes at least three times on Hulu. Now I’m working on watching all for the second time around on Disney+ because I think Disney will ultimately decide on a season 4 since they now own Hulu.
I hope so too. Between Orville season three and the first season of Strange New Worlds, it's good to have two good Star Trek shows atm. Lower Decks isn't bad either. But Strange New Worlds finally feels like Star Trek again. And the Orville is just a joy to watch. They almost make up for Discovery and Picard's poor writing.
@@TomGallagherSuperboyBeyond Have you ever checked out Prodigy? It's aimed for younger audiences but I find it to still be enjoyable for older audiences because it doesn't dumb things down.
@@thegoose1005 I actually checked it out not too long after my old comment. And i agree, it's great. Probably the current era Trek show that feels most like a Burman production. Though with the serialisation that makes DS9 so great to binge. Yeah. Love it. The episode with time dilation and different parts of the ship are moving at different speeds. Absolutely incredible. Especially the sadness of it's ending. "too long."
I hereby decree that The Orville shall no longer be declared a spoof but a true successor to Star Trek, for those who agree with this statement say "Aye" but for those who disagree, speak now or forever hold your peace.
Edit: Then it has been decided... From this day forth even after it's series finale, The Orville shall be known as the the true successor of Star Trek while other Star Trek series that failed to live up to it's names such as "Star Trek: Discovery" and "Star Trek: Picard" shall be terminated. Thank you all for your cooperation and may you all boldly go where no man has gone before!
Aye
Aye.
aye, indeed.
Aye!
*Fists to chest.* Qua’plah!
This show desperately needs to be extended out! Such a masterpiece of storytelling!
Every episode got better and better and better. There has to be a season 4, Five, 6........
Exactly. It's time to take all the established races and find a common threat that they can ally, betray, fight and discuss for a couple seasons. The Kaylon were that in season 2 and 3, now we need a bigger fish.
The shows been canceled because Seth can't keep up with running 3 shows and Orville costs more than American Dad and Family Guy combined plus they didn't want to continue the show without Norm Macdonald and ended it as a tribute... This has been public knowledge for a few months now.
They say the future of this show rests on the views. So do what I do and watch an episode every night in support
@@hagamapama Calivon?
@@monkeysgame172 Literally cannot remember their name. It's like Ed and that one guy, "hey, there he is!"
Dang, just... DANG! Bortus' actor is such a badass for this scene. Just pure emotion and talent.
If there is a fourth season to The Orville, I think two interesting stories would be how the Moclans fair with being expelled from the Union and how the Union deals with the loss of Moclan tactical experience and firepower.
I'd like to see the Moclans vs Jaleesi
Firepower is now the Kaylons
My own take on the Moclans is this:-
A long time ago the Moclans were 2 sexes, male and female, an advanced race came along and genetically engineered the Moclans into 1 sex with the children having a quick childhood so that they could become soldiers faster, and this other race would have a ready supply of troops, for whatever reason they didn’t or they barely got round to using the Moclans. The females who are being born is nature’s way of trying to correct what was done to the Moclans.
I also reckon that the Moclan high council know this and it's why they have zero tolerance for any deviation which could spell the end of their rule.
It would make for an interesting episode to show that Moclus was built on a lie.
Awsome theory
I thought that because moclus has such harsh enviorment they thought females wont survive which is why they perform the surgery but over the years it changed fromsurvival to hate
@@072kratos From whats been said in the episodes the Moclans haven't really cared about the damage done to their environment by the various weapons tests that have been done over the years.
I know that this is the basis for the Jem Hadar in Star Trek DS9.
Genetically Engineered soldiers and races have become a Sci-Fi troupe over the past decades and it would be an interesting take on the Moclans
it colud explain the massive gender dimorphism between the two, and how the ones who have the surgery mutate so much to be come basically men without any follow-up in their teen years and the egg thing easier shipping
It might not even involve another species. The all-male Moclans could be a result of past Eugenics experiments. They may have thought of females as too weak and tried to breed them out of their population.
This season was insanely good. The way this series went from a fun space faring comedy, to sci fi drama was so cool to behold. I'm glad they didn't completely remove the comedy but it's very much subdued, that's for sure. I loved this episode. From Bortus' show of emotion to Moclus finally getting the shaft. The only thing that made me sigh was Klyden's return. It made perfect sense but still... Klyden. Ugh, he's the absolute worst. 😅
Having viewed some other clips, it looks as though he's made a change for the better, he reconciles with his daughter. I really ought to watch the show.
@@asvarien Very true, I'm glad he reconciled with his daughter. But he was such a pain the the butt leading up to that point. Always upset about one thing or another. So annoying.
Kylden WAS the worst.....except for the smoking episode and when he and Bortus were dancing in the holo suite, bc that was hilarious. I will say at the end of this episode and the rest of the season he really did do a 180. It's easy to forget but Klyden was also born female and didn't have a say in what happened to him either. He went through all the same emotions Toppa did, but didn't know why until much later in his life. He's spent most of his life pushing these feeling down and it just left him bitter. I really hope if we get a season 4 (please give us season 4) that we see more of him dealing with his past trauma and trying to be a good partner and father to Bortus and Toppa.
The rage of a father should never be underestimated. I have seen good and honorable men, do horrific and sickening things to protect their children.
This show went from being a fan’s take on Star Trek to an improvement on the franchise as a whole.
Thank you for recutting this!
2:22 tear up EVERY time.. EVERY time..
Bortus grew to be one of my Favorite characters on this show!
Same here.
When Bortus yells, you listen.
Such a powerful scene.
Bortus' actor absolutely nailed this scene. The pain and conflict he had to go through with unlearning his own prejudice for the sake of his child, and having the people he once believed were good take his daughter from him and nearly kill her.
Bortus is the MVP of the orville no doubt
can we talk about how damn talented the whole crew of the orville really are each actor shows immense emotion and almost every part of the show i think its awesome.
Moclus would never had been allowed to become a member of the United Federation of Planets.
Well it wasn't allowed to be a member of the Union either, not when the truth came out.
Moclus' entire culture would be considered a violation of the Sentient Rights portion of the Articles of Federation.
Dont know why but the music (trumpets, starting probably around 2:34 ) made me think about the exact same tempo and type as from Saving Private Ryan. Love it.
It's scenes like this that make me want to see a season 4
Some people in the comments were hoping for the delegate to die in ritualistic combat but it would have taken from this wonderful moment of sincerity. Like when Worf spared Toral’s life. It demonstrated how far he came from that bloodthirsty Klingon who killed Duras to becoming a truly honorable man.
2:05 for a man so reserved, to see tears welling up in his eyes when he shouts "And you must Answer For Your Crimes!", and then to see literal streaks flowing down his face at 3:19
Probably the strongest entrance in any council chamber since Ambassador Sarek's in "Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home" and Colonel Blair's in "Wing Commander IV: The Price of Freedom".
You have great taste!
@@vguyver2 Thanks. :-)
This clip is what got me into the Orville. What an absolute treasure of a show.
Peter Macon is fantastic in this scene. It’s in his voice and even under all that makeup, it’s clear what he’s expressing. It’s not just the rage of a father whose child was hurt. It’s the sadness over the trauma Topa experienced, its the betrayal by his people, his helplessness in the face of being unable to prevent what happened and to make the galaxy a safe place for his daughter to live. And above it all? The guilt. The insurmountable parental guilt for failing to protect her from all of it.
Peter Macon deserves an Emmy for his role as Bortus. He’s often played as a joke in many scenes, but scenes like this? In only a few lines, he evoked more emotion and sympathy than I’ve felt on TV in many years. I can only hope his talent is truly recognized.
Best part about this scene is that after all that bluster and grandstanding from the maclon representatives, once bortus came in with his kid they knew they lost all credibility and standing in the union.
Such an underrated series! It's hilarious and filled with heart!
An absolute masterful performance by Peter Macon.
I’ll say it once, & I’ll say it again, the only thing more terrifying than a villain, is an angry father
For me, besides the incredible writing of this episode, this is one of the two most emotional scenes ever shot and Adrian Pawlicki was in both. The other is Marvel's Agents Of Shield "A Spy's Goodbye"
I have never seen anything else Peter Macon's been in, but this show, this season, and this episode specifically have made him one of my favorite actors.
I just looked up his IMDB profile and didn't realize the number of shows and games I've seen and heard him in. Mind you it's been a long time since I've seen those shows and games, but it's cool to look back and see what he's been in.
As a trans man, Topah's story made me cry proper rolling tears. Never in my life have I seen media depict anything close to the politicization of gender identity in such a darkly accurate, yet optimistic light. I felt seen. I still do. Thank you Seth. You did real good.
You still aren't a man and will never know our problems.
You have your own problems. You don't need to identify as a man. You can identify as wanting to be a man but it is just as immuteable as race.
If you haven't, you should watch the Next Generation episode "The Outcast." It's remarkably ahead of its time.
Still fake gay
And you are still a prick.@@doge1590
You will never know what it is like to grow up as a male. All of your memories will be of when you were growing up as a female.
Just a truly underrated series. Cerebral, compelling, emotional...
Imagine being the guards outside the door trying to decide if they should just let these three people walk into the meeting.
"Ayo, meeting's going on. You can't-(sees Topa's face) Gods above! Well, just...wait for a minute, I'll check if there's a proper-(Overhears Moclan speech) Okay, that's-that's now. Get in, get in. Hey kid? You're brave, you know that?
Bortus is pretty scary when he's not doing all the funny stuff.
Another powerful moment from an amazing show. Please let there be a fourth season!!
"Answer for your crimes!" Was delivered perfectly.
All governments are guilty of things like this and it is sad and disgusting hurt a child in the ignorance of hate you lose hard!
I need more Orville. It's quickly become of my favorite shows
Come on! One more season! -Frank
It takes a skilled writer to immerse us in the world of alien governments but if they do they manage to pull off something special. Kudos to that moclan senator actor for pulling off this scene and seth for having such love for star trek he managed to pull this off.
I always love how the representative of Earth were the first to stand when Bortus, Topa, and Kelly enter the room.
That stare at 3:20. That was the stare of "You're only still standing because someone has to go back and warn the others to avoid crossing paths with me for the next 200 years."
When the Orville started, I always hated it when they focused on Bortus and the Mocclans as it always seemed to devolve into juevenile humour. It says a lot that not only is this one of my favourite scenes of the season, but they've made me care a lot more about Bortus and the Mocclan storyline since those early days. Season 3 has been great for so many reasons, including bringing in Bruce Boxleitner (one of my favourite actors) as president of the union, but we can all agree the writing is perhaps where this season shined the most.
1 of the best scenes of The Orville: Bortus stod up to his species when they went too far. I do hope Season 3 of The Orville gets a DVD release. A tv-series SHOULD have ALL its seasons released on DVD. I dont wanna knee infront of streaming-services & i dont wonna rely on them when i wanna see something, I wanna have them on Physical-Media & i STILL support Physical-Media! I also hope for MORE seasons of The Orville & i hope MORE Star Trek actors like William Shatner, Patrick Stewart & John DeLancie will guest appear on it to.
Can't get enough of this clip. Very powerful!
The way his voice breaks even as he yells really hits hard
It’s the look on the Moclan Ambassador’s face for me
The “oh shit we can’t lie anymore” look 😂
I started watching this with zero context, but the scene was absolutely beautiful and magnificent.
Even without the context of the episode but particularly when watching this as part of the episode this scene is so powerful, easily one of if not the most powerful of the season. I'm almost through with a rewatch of the entire series, this time on Disney+, and I already want to start again. It's just such an excellent show.
Such a smart show !
The moment when the Federation and the Borg work together to fight misogynists and racist zealots
The Kaylon are very much not the Borg. they're more like if Soong type androids had a powerful nation state.
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few... Or the one. Eh 🤔🤷 Borg are just Vulcan extremists.
@@hagamapama and laser eyes
The Kaylong aren't really analogous to the Borg, but at the same time, it would still make sense because nobody is less racist than the Borg. They literally take anyone.
@@DoremiFasolatido1979 no they didn’t they refused to take the kazon
There wouldn't be the show "The Orville" if the creator didn't overslept. This is what I heard. On September 10, 2001, Seth MacFarlane got drunk. On September 11, 2001, he was so drunk that he overslept in his hotel room and missed his flight. That flight is one of the planes that flew into the World Trade Center in New York. That is one of stories that came to a good end.
The anger and pain in bortus's voice is truly heart breaking in a way whoever the actor is who played him bravo
2:20-2:22
I love Peter Macon’s accent.
And more importantly, his emotions and acting.
Damn I want to learn about all these races, who they are and why they're in the Union.
Does anyone else think Union Central could be its own spinoff series similar to B5 or DS9? Diplomatic and political drama in space as the Union tackles the hard issues that threaten to divide it?
Babylon 5 was a spinoff? What was the original show?
@@rexstocephirxiii4263 He means a spinoff show modeled after B5.
That would be cool
Any kind of spinoff of this show would be amazing
Im'a stop you right there, and tell you to leave fanfic land. Because that's a terrible idea. If you wags write a series of stories based on original characters all on a space station go right ahead, first set the tone, then the theme, then the ruled. Then decide each of your characters personalities, then write the story, giving realistic consequences for each characters actions and decisions.
Don't use characters other people created to tell a story that they reasonably wouldn't be part of. We've got enough of that shit already.