Manual vs. Automatic 2022 GR 86 Premium - POV Comparison
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 มิ.ย. 2024
- 2022 GR 86 Specifications & Info:
6-Speed Manual Transmission or 6-Speed Automatic
Horsepower:
228 hp @ 7,000 rpm (SAE NET)
Torque: 184 lb-ft @ 3,700 rpm
2.4-liter, 4-cylinder, boxer, aluminum alloy block and head. DOHC 4-valves per cylinder with Dual Variable Valve Timing
Bore x Stroke: 94 x 86 mm
Compression Ratio: 12.5:1
Fuel System: D-4S (Direct and Sequential Port Injection)
Required Fuel: Premium Fuel
Estimated Fuel Economy (city/hwy/combined MPG): 19/26/21 (6-Speed M/T) 20/30/24 (6-Speed A/T)
Suspension:
Front - independent MacPherson strut
Rear - independent double wishbone style multi-link rear suspension
Stabilizer Bar - Diameter: 18.3 mm/14 mm (front/rear)
Electric Power Steering (EPS)
- Overall Ratio 13.5
- Turns (lock-to-lock) 2.5
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Turning Circle Diameter:
35.4 ft. (curb-to-curb)
Brakes -
Power-Assisted Ventilated Disc
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Front Diameter: 11.6 in.
Rear Diameter:
11.4 in.
Wheel Size:
GR 86: 17 x 7.5 in /
GR 86 Premium : 18 x 7.5
Tire Size:
GR 86: 215/45 R17 / GR 86 Premium: 215/40 R18
Tire Type:
GR 86: Michelin Primacy HP / GR 86 Premium: Michelin Pilot Sport 4
Spare Tire/Wheel:
None (Tire Repair Kit)
EXTERIOR DIMENSIONS:
Wheelbase: 101.4 in.
Overall Length: 167.9 in.
Overall Width: 69.9 in.
Overall Height: 51.6 in.
Width: Front/Rear 59.8/61.0 in.
Ground Clearance: 5.1 in.
Coefficient of Drag: 0.276
INTERIOR DIMENSIONS
Seating Capacity - 4
Headroom, Front/Rear:
37.0/33.5 in.
Legroom, Front/Rear:
41.5/29.9 in.
Shoulder Room, Front/Rear:
53.6/51.7 in.
EPA Passenger Volume:
77.19 cu. ft.
Cargo Volume (Trunk): 6.26 cu. ft.
WEIGHTS AND CAPACITIES:
Curb Weight: Base MT - 2,811 lbs.;
Premium MT - 2,833 lbs.
Base AT - 2,851 lbs.;
Premium AT - 2,868 lbs.
Fuel Capacity - 13.2 gal.
Engine Oil Capacity - 6.2 quarts
Engine Oil w/Filter Change: 5.1-5.3 quarts
GR 86 PREMIUM STANDARD EXTERIOR FEATURES
• Duckbill Rear Spoiler
• LED Headlights with Adaptive Front Lighting
• 18 x 7.5-in. 10-spoke alloy wheels
• Michelin Pilot Sport 4 tires (sized 215/40R18 85Y)
• 11.6-/11.4-in. front/rear brakes
STANDARD INTERIOR FEATURES
• Black and silver-trimmed telescoping steering wheel with red contrast stitching
• Black and silver-trimmed heated sport bucket seats with side bolsters
• Parking brake and leather cover with silver contrast stitching
• Ultrasuede door upper and armrest with synthetic leather door accents
• Leather gearshift boot with red or silver contrast stitching
• Aluminum sport pedals and scuff plates
GR 86 PREMIUM AUDIO SYSTEM
• 8 in. touch-screen display, AM/FM player, 8 speakers, auxiliary audio jack, USB 2.0 port with iPod® connectivity and control, voice recognition with voice training, hands-free phone capability and music streaming via Bluetooth® wireless technology, HD Radio™, wired Apple CarPlay and Android Auto compatibility, and steering wheel audio controls.
BASIC LIMITED WARRANTY COVERAGE
• 3-year/36,000-mile Comprehensive
• 5-year/60,000-mile Powertrain
• 5-year/Unlimited-mileage Corrosion Protection
• ToyotaCare - Complimentary maintenance plan with the purchase or lease of every new Toyota. For 2 years or 25,000 miles, whichever comes first, every new Toyota will be covered for all normal factory scheduled service, as well as 24/7 roadside assistance.
0:00 Manual
3:23 Automatic
6:57 Final Thoughts
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Getting denied with those downshifts in the automatic is truly a painful sight.
Yeah, with plenty of rpm to go before downshifting into redline! I think the old auto had better programming
@@TheTopher does it auto up shift? If so that’s a total deal breaker. I know the RC does that and it was extremely aggravating when I drove it
@@bijan4697 Didn't seem like it. I thought the RC doesn't auto-upshift if you have it in Sport+?
@@bijan4697 5:16 it does have standard automatic
@@ryanhuang6838 the one I drove constantly did it, no matter the mode I was in.
For everyone who's worried or afraid of manual, honestly just go for it. It's so much fun. I've recently bought a manual for the first time after driving auto for nearly 15 years. It only took me a few days to build muscle memory and it's the best decision I've made, driving wise. So much more engaging!
Lol, I’m scrolling through comments just looking for one like yours to nudge me over the edge to MT. Looks awesome but I’ve never owned one
@@texasclawhammer6578 haha! You'll love it man. Most new cars got anti-rollback systems so you won't have the stress of doing handbrake starts. Beginner tip: little bit of gas first (just as much as you would on an auto to take off from a stop) before releasing the clutch and you'll never stall.
sold. i learned on a manual. been auto ever since(so cal traffic). i may have to shift like 600+ times but i feel when im in my hometown ill enjoy the driving experience.
did you already have knowledge of when to upshift, when to downshift, rev matching etc before buying a manual transmission vehicle? Making a manual transmission car move isn't the issue, its knowing when to upshift and downshift, and coming to a complete stop and then going uphill from a stop, etc that gets to be confusing and overwhelming, especially in real world situations like in traffic. How did you overcome all of that?
Nah. I'm disabled recently, and even though I can physically drive stick, it's not worth it. This isn't some super car, you guys are trying to get way too much out it. Get a Supra.
Getting stuck in a hour long traffic jam made me see the value of the automatic. The stick is only fun to drive in a world without bumper to bumper traffic.
Ig if you’re old
What a crybaby
People who don't know this definitely have never been stuck in a traffic jam with bumper to bumper conditions where you only move a meter every minute.
Sure manual is fun for sure, but let's see if it's fun if you have to have a left leg day every day for 30min - 1 hour during peak traffic hour in major cities.
@@pineapple0427 my city is exactly like that, bumper to bumper traffic anytime of the day. Although tiring, I still enjoy driving manual very much
@@jW-kr5xn Manual is fun only if there's no traffic.
If 90% of the time driving is in bumper to bumper conditions, it is anything but fun. :)
I can guarantee a million views to the first video that disconnects the artificial engine sound speaker and records a lap with the natural engine sound
It’s a race!
When TheTopher uploads a POV video on a Toyobaru and MX-5, I instantly press like and comment for the algorithm ;)
Yaay good job. You want a cookie?
@@jerbsherb4391 Looks like I touched a nerve of a butthurt keyboard warrior to start trolling
@@jerbsherb4391 Hey neckbeard, how's life living in your mom's basement at 43?
Definitely make a beginner's tutorial for MT! Also show us how you drive around town and different situations like start-stop in traffic, hill starts etc etc. I've watched your heel toe tutorial and it is awesome, just missing the basics now! I'll be one of those people who will be getting the GR 86 in MT who has driven automatic for years and just now switching to MT and I'm sure I won't be the last one. Also do you think Toyota will upgrade the manual dash a bit, mostly because when you shift, the gears definitely come on late.
definitely need this!
There’s no need to look at the gauges to know what gear you’re in anyway. I’m not sure why it’s even included in the manual model.
Its so easy, if you have even a little understanding of how the manual works you can drive it off the lot fairly easy.
Gear indicator is not required, you always know what gear you're in
If you are going to be in traffic a lot don’t get manual.
Love the 86 reviews. Can’t wait to see you driving the BRZ.
Definitely the manual is better for track work (unless it’s a Porsche PDK), however people usually need these cars to drive in a lot of heavy traffic so a manual is a massive pain in the arse.
Driving a manual in traffic keeps me even more alert
@@jakeq3530 Does it really matter if you’re more alert in traffic? It’s slow so you’re not going 30 mph trying to watch out if you’re going to hit someone and all you really need to do is watch the car in front of you inch up or see if someone is lane changing in front of you which is pretty easy to see half asleep.
@@moomer2675 basically, he’s saying it keeps his focus on the road and not elsewhere. I love driving my standard in traffic. Keeps my hands from reaching for my phone
@@Samanosuke1138 what you need is self control not a manual
@@MotorYardtraphik Don't be a butthole.
great way to keep the content comming!
Definitely getting the manual
Absolutely beautiful driving!
Looking forward to your comparison with the BRZ!
Just drove a manual for the first time today. The most funnest and interesting moment of my life lmao. So much stalling but was still having fun. I daily a v6 automatic Mustang, and it was a WRX manual that I drove
Where did you get to test drive one?
i dont even have my license yet and ive driven a manual twice and haven't stalled
@@cammed46 cool story bro thanks for sharing
@@jasonpapa6300 just saying maybe he needs to learn to be more accurate with that left foot
@@cammed46 you don’t even have a license yet you’re dragging people that actually put in work and have vehicles while you’re failing your high school classes
There are lots of good reasons to buy the Automatic like I did. 1. You have an injury that doesn’t allow you to drive a manual 2. Your wife will let you buy it and auto let’s her drive it too 3. Plan to take on long trips and all the goodies are a huge plus 4. Stop and go traffic is a major part of your life 5. It’s still awesome! I have a 2019 BRZ Manual that is tuned and all of that. I bought an Automatic BRZ 2023 yesterday and it is everything I need it to be. Fun, fast enough and the shifts are clean and sport mode is aggressive. Shift with the manual stick mode is better than the paddles and just as good of a launch as my manual BRZ. F all the noise about the Automatic being shit. Car people don’t get that none of us have ever had a Porsche or Supra, you won’t notice. It’s a 30,000 car!
cope harder
@@igisanchez265 cupholder, yes
@@igisanchez265 glazing is crazy
@@igisanchez265 he has a manual and an automatic
All he said was how it's still a nice car
It doesn’t look like you had it in Sport mode. In Sport mode it down shifts when breaking and holds the gears longer. Track mode doesn’t automatically engage sport mode. The 2022 transmission is leaps and bounds better than the 2020.
That Hakune facelift 86 though off to the side🤤.. Love the green and bronze
That correction at 4:32 was beautiful!
I’m 6’3 and the auto is so much more comfortable cause that empty area where the clutch would be makes a world of a difference on where I can put my left foot to rest. The auto gr86 was more fun than I thought, just not sure if I would trade for my sti
Subscribed, tks for the video, enjoyed it thoroughly
Hey Topher, do you have any insight as to the oil temps on the engine after hard track use? And what were the ambient temps? I'm talking like a full sessions will it ever pass, say, 260/270F?
Oil temps were solid all day, never got over 250 with the oem cooler. Besides pads and fluid you’re track day ready in this new gr86.
The manual's dash was a little slow at updating which gear you're in.
yo, goddamn, now I can't unsee it
Its likely Toyota isnt using a hall effect sensor like other vehicles do for shift indication - and instead using a Speed and RPM calculation - so it needs to wait for the clutch to be fully in for a half second.
@@yyyyyeeeee4060 Same thing as my ND Miata, it just takes a sec, nbd after you get used to it
This is normal in manual cars. The numbers don't show up until you are fully engaged in gear. Just because your shifter is in 3rd doesn't mean you are actually in 3rd. You have to wait for the clutch. This is the same thing on all manual cars, G80 M3/M4, Subaru STI, Honda Type R, etc.
@@kevinzeng9606 there does seem to be a light delay between where the clutch is fully released (you see it in his leg movement) and where the number changes. like half a second or so. not that it matters, since you should feel the gear you're in and remember it automatically
Bro, can you do some beginner videos for manual transmission? Would be helpful
Nice kid! Learn that manual, don’t get frustrated and put in the seat time. I recommend practicing super early in the morning 5am in an empty parking lot
@@R3c0nf1gur3d I agree ;)
@@MrTheKrafter JT agrees with JT
@@R3c0nf1gur3d also, I'm in India, where almost all of us drive manual, so yeah, it's more of a requirement lol. Dad got a Volkswagen Polo, so that's a good one to practice
Is it a good idea to buy a new car with manual if I’ve never driven a manual before? I’ve heard that once I get used to it, I’ll enjoy it a lot more than an auto/cvt.
The GR86 Premium was ny first car ive ever owned. I learned manual on it. I dont regret it AT ALL. Its an amazing car. Im loving every second of it. No need to be afraid or manual.
Love this new 22 GR86!
Does anyone know if any tuning will adjust the rev limiter in between shifting? The car definitely needs to be able to hold full gears, at a full rev range limit imo.....
I'm sensing a slight lag on the tachometer in both the manual and automatic. I'm assuming the cars are still pre-production and haven't worked out all the issues, could be wrong.
As for the automatic gear ratios, it's normal for downshifts to be denied at certain RPMs, it's an overrev protection. Those ratios are longer than the manual, especially the final drive.
Would take one with Primacy tires or the one with PS4 tires? Great video!
Atleast with the automatic GT86, you need to have it in sport mode if you are going to use it on track. Track mode doesn’t actually do much or anything at all to the transmission. Put it in sport mode and it is completely different. Something that was killing the experience for you was that it wouldn’t hold the rpms. Put it in sport mode, and it won’t do that. Seems sluggish only Because you had the transmission in regular drive mode. Sport drive mode wakes it up much so much more. Great video and keep up the good work!
Meh, it's an 86, you shouldn't even consider an auto
I saw that too. He short changed the review because of that. I had the 2020 and now the 2022 auto and the 2022 is a blast in sport mode. Actually the 2020 was fun too but the 2022 is definitely an upgrade
@@philspaghet why
@@richardseaman9086 the auto is slower, upshifts when you don't want, makes the car altogether feel more sluggish, is FAR less fun to drive, costs more, Subaru Eyesight sends your data back to Subaru making it a privacy risk, etc.
@@philspaghet Really? Have you driven both of the new GR86 versions?
This and the Miata are cars that getting the manual is a requirement
I'd take the automatic. 😉👍🏻
Agreed, but at least the auto in the miata is modern. The auto in the GR86 is horrendously slow.
@@hecticphusion I had the last generation auto and I found it excellent on the street. I didnt do track days though but I found it really reponsive.
@@mileslynch that's exactly what I said lmao
@@darrenmacwhirter1706 in which car? The BRZ/FRS? If that's the case, you're just lying to yourself. If you're talking about the miata, then yes that's exactly what I was trying to say.
So the manual trans in this rev matches for you? And are you not able to blip the throttle with the automatic to rev match since it’s preventing shifting in to lower gear at a higher rpm?
Looks like so much fun.
Could you plz do a tutorial series for driving manual, like from square 1, for us noobs who wanna learn manual for the first time lol
I’ve needed to do this for ages. I’ll do it in my Volvo!
@@TheTopher can’t wait! Looking forward to it, thanks man!
Push clutch pedal in, Select gear, release clutch, accelerate
@@lvpo8866 what about heal-toe down shifting, rev matching etc. I see different things form different people regarding that on TH-cam. As far as shifting up is concerned, yeah what you said is right, simple enough. But I think it’s the other stuff we’d like to find out abt and all the little quirks u have to worry abt driving manual
@@HisMajesty99 those are more advanced techniques so I would focus on learning how to start and get through the gears first. Basically heal-toe is rev-matching while braking so I would first try rev matching by itself. Drive along and shift from 4th to 3rd over and over to practice. Then when you get that down you can practice braking and rev matching (heel toe). There’s a good video from the smoking tire teaching how to drive a manual but hopefully Topher will make one too. The more the better!
i love my auto brz, yes i wish i had a manual like 25% of the time but when im driving in traffic or highways the subaru eyesight and adaptive cruise control is worth it since its my only car and my daily. still a lot of fun for what it is
My 2c
I know the denied downshifts are annoying, but you are downshifting like you would for a first gen…where all the power is above 5k and anything below that is quite useless.
The thing is, the new engine has some goodness around 3-4, amazingly. And as you know, the earlier you can put the power down, the better. And you don’t need all the torque right away when you first get on the gas…on a gen1, it’s not enough. But now it is.
Plus the gear ratios are longer…so we wait a little longer before downshifting. We finally have oomf low in the rev range. It works.
Great behind the wheel demo! With the taller gears in the automatic, do you notice a any less of that push back in the seat when accelerating at full throttle? Car and Driver magazine timed the 5-60 rolling start at about the same for both, but the manual spends more time in between gears, so I would think the manual feels faster in between shifts. Anyone notice a difference in Gs?
It doesn’t want to downshift because your shifting too early. I used to do the same in my auto 86 on a track. Once you get used to the ratios (longer than the manual) it is very fluid. If you want to go fast on a track the auto is a perfectly reasonable choice - it makes sense to shift sequentially with both hands on the wheel when you're on the limits.
exactly, he surprisingly needs to work on his paddle shifts. I daily a wrx cvt lol and even I notice he was either letting off the throttle before the upshifts, or was rushing the downshifts...just seemed off
Let’s face it any transmission is going to take some dialing into especially on a track… I’d be curious to try that WRX cvt! Don’t get them in the UK as far as I know
Or just get the manual, the objectively better choice 🤷
@@tompilsworth3753 it's very fun brother! Drives very much like a single clutch id say. Def doesn't "shift" as quickly as a dual clutch, but in manual mode they feel like real gears. You can fully rev out and downshift just like in any other manual mode in dual and single clutches. Only downside is you can't really upgrade them without compromising the transmission. But very underrated car imo, doesn't deserve the hate. There's some smaller youtubers who do track their wrx cvts, mainly in Asian countries, if you wanna look it up!
@@impreza0109 manual is the objectively better choice for fun, sure. But not daily...it's nice to at least have an auto option for people who can't afford 2 cars
I know you probably don't like the audible gear shift notification, but I could really do with something like that in my mx5.
I find it hard to pay attention to the rev counter when my full focus is on the road.
I'm surprised there isn't an option like this available outside of an o.e.m installation.
I've googled but can only find l.e.d based rev notification kits.
I kinda like the over rev protection on the auto adds a layer of mechanical sympathy to the car I want to enjoy the car long term
Hm, I know this is slightly off-topic, but are those not the same round air vents on the interior as the ones in the 2021+ Lexus IS? If so, that's pretty random!
Really wish I could see you push the auto in manual mode for a lot longer.
I actually wanted to buy an automatic GR86, but in Korea, the GR86 is only sold as a manual model and does not have an automatic model, so I bought the manual model.
But after watching this video, I can be sure that I made a really good choice.
It is cruel that Toyota requires downshifting to 4,000 rpm.
In fact, the rpm allows for 2-speed shifting in a manual mode.
Of course I’d only get this car with the manual transmission. I think if you are going to give a performance car an automatic transmission, it should be a quick shifting and fun automatic that you can actually enjoy like a dct or a zf8. I personally thought the Gti was better with the dsg and the f10 M5 was better with the dct than the manual. I wonder how this car would’ve been with a dct or Zf8, otherwise it just doesn’t make sense to me for such a car.
Elitist garbage
Nice reveiw
The shift programming on the auto acts exactly like my 2014 camry, wont let you downshift unless it can put the revs at least like 500 rpm below redline
@@Peter-ff1tp Wont allow you to downshift even into nearly 1k under redline. I've seen the same thing in a lot of Lexus/Toyotas. They just play it super safe/boring when it comes to auto programming.
What do you think about the clutch pedal feel in a stop-go city traffic? Would it feel terrible/heavy?
Sporty cars seem to have quite light feeling clutches.
For the Automatic.
Track mode is like halfway between traction off and traction on, it lets you have more slip before it cuts power.
The button on the far left is Sport mode which alters the revs allowing it be higher and down shift itself into higher rpms. I am not sure if it matters if you're in Manual shift mode though, would be a good test.
I might have to test this myself when I have time, as I own the first gen automatic and have done track days without much issues.
Edit: So I tried out different modes, with Sport mode on and in Manual mode, I still get denied some down shifts. Ideal spirited driving while not in manual mode would be both Sport and Track buttons on driving in "D". Manual mode should be paired with track mode. Overall, get a manual transmission if you plan on doing track days or live in an area that works for you. The auto is really for daily driving with a few weekends on some twisty roads, it's a compromise if you live in a high traffic or hilly area where you have to parallel park on steep hills but still want to throw a fun car around.
Yeah it's the auto for me with this LA traffic and some fun canyon driving. No track days for me.
@@coreyfreeman6226 Yep, auto for me to.
I think it would be more convenient for me to get the automatic. I always wanted paddle shifters either way
@@tobiasdelafuente2032 get what you prefer do not go by what others want at the end of the day you have to be happy with your purchase.
same@@limitededition3278
The automatic would be awesome if they added a dual clutch or something more advanced than the six speed, the extra weight would be compensated by better gear ratios and speed.
Any car that is isnt insanely fast out the box will be more fun in stick than auto, which is why I would never buy a car that is in that range as an automatic. Even a car with 100hp in manual would be more fun than a 100hp auto even if the auto can do the job better in shifting etc..
If only the manual mode in the automatic would let you shift as you’d like without intervening. But it kinda won’t let you down shift when you’d like it and that its kind of a let down.
Thanks!! Might just be time to replace the FRS👍
Those extra safety features the Auto has helped my insurance payment immensely.
Can I just ask a question….. in the manual when you shifted to 2nd you were basically always shifting at 50mph. But in the auto you were trying to go into second at 60 mph. But if you kept yourself constant with the shifts like you did in the manual you would have been able to downshift into second at 50mph without having it deny you. The arrow indicator seems to come on at 55mph to allow a downshift near the gear number letting you know where you can downshift. And again it comes on at 30mph to allow downshift into first. If you drove the car knowing the shift points and seen the information given to you for when downshift was allowed could you have been faster in the auto on another lap against your original auto run? It’s easy to trash a car if the system isn’t understood. So an updated video would be appreciated with more experience on understanding it’s dynamics. I can’t go off your opinion of the auto because I clearly saw where your mistakes were made. Driver error isn’t good feedback if you didn’t have an understanding of the system. And if you did have an understanding of the system then it would be a shame to know because then the video could have relayed better information but instead got misguided information. I love your videos keep up the work. But just wanted to point this out because the outcome could have been different in my opinion.
Agreed
Looks like confirmation bias going on here. Driving in automatic mode just produces the obvious results. Putting the automatic in manual mode changes the game, that is if you take the time to learn how to drive it. If track day is a priority, there is only one choice. If the car spends most of the time in the real world on the road, the automatic transmission is a serious option. An important thing to consider is that the gear ratios are different, so you just can’t hop in an automatic after driving the manual and get anywhere close.
For the manual, can we turn the engine noise off?
Anybody else notice that the automatic version has a spot to hold your phone in front of the cup holder but not the MT? Seems kind of weird. Is there something about the MT that causes Toyota to not put the same feature there?
How is the clutch? Does it feel sharp or soft?
that edit before the hairpin turn at 1:41 made my stomach drop for a second there! 😅
Cant wait to see one of these in person. With a manual, of course.
A go pro on side back wheel could be interesting.
What the hell is with the RPMs dropping basically whenever you left off the gas? Almost as if its clutching in. Is it honestly...upshifting that aggressively?
Are the brakes better than the brembo brakes of the previous car?
Can you make these kinds of videos for the 2022 BRZ pls
GR86 manual vs BRZ manual? I'm so confused. Word on the street is GR86 has more oversteer?
Which type of automatic transmission have?? Is it a ZF??? Torque converter?
Wonder if using the stick when seq shifting in AT is faster than paddle shifters
More satisfying prolly
I’m not confident enough in my coordination to drive manual but damn this car makes me want to learn after seeing how bad the shift paddles are.
If you can walk, you can drive a stick!
Trying to learn manu for this car brooo it looks like a lot of funn forsure gonna try stick
Gr86 manual or Mazda Miata manual for fun driving around town?
In the AT, The paddles are not that great... However, In the manual mode shifting with the stick is FAR more responsive than the paddles. Using the stick does not hold you back when trying to downshift etc. The paddles do, For whatever reason.
How would you say this new 86 compares to the current Miata in terms of driving around town and on the track?
Still has heavier controls, better steering, doesn’t feel as light and tossable as the Miata, but it’s great to feel similar power out of the 86 now. Basically it comes down to whether you want a convertible or a more practical sports car. I think you’ll have equal amounts of fun in both
@@TheTopher thank you! Definitely love the way the Miata drives, but don’t care for the convertible and prefer the space of the 86/BRZ.
Funny on the FRS/86 overall sales only 33% choose the manual, while on the BRZ camp it’s 70%.
What track is this? Looks cool
@Topher - what watch do you have there?
damn dude you weren't kidding when you said it didn't really wanna downshift...
I bought the auto, honestly love it. But ima VQ, GTR guy so might trade in when the Z comes out. Perhaps even wait for a NISMO to come out.
How has the auto treated you? Good for a fun daily driver?
Your voice sounds exactly like the English dub Takumi Fujiwara in Initial D.
It sucks that they don't offer the manual with adaptive cruise, and that the mpg is so different between the two. It's a tough decision if you daily drive the car in traffic, use it for road trips or have a spouse who doesn't do well with manual transmissions (I've tried).
Thanks for this comparison. I know everyone says go for the manual but I'm sticking with auto ;) no choice here lmao
is the road noise getting better?
It’s just a question of how often do we go to trucks, or more accurately, do we go to tracks at all. My wife is thinking about 86 automatic and I’m all for that choice. This is a car that can make going to grocery shopping enjoyable and that’s a viable reason for this car to exist. She’ll never go to trucks but she’ll enjoy her driving experience every time she uses her car and I’m happy for her for that.
The old one was meant to be loose. It rode on Prius tires for a reason
When it denies a paddle down, it sounds like getting an answer wrong on Jeopardy. 🤣
8:11 which specific Michelin Primacy tires were you talking about?
I assume its the Michelin Primacy HP that comes with the base model
So i need to hear opinions i live in florida and traffic is bad asf. But im in a 50/50 if I should go manual or auto
Does this Toyota 86 generation came with auto-revmatching? I would love to buy this MT in the futute if it gets older because I think it is a fun tuner car :)
If you want you could blip the trottle slightly when you downshift the paddle and it improves the auto rev matching it feels like
@@OhKnow379 I much prefer this car to have a manual gearbox because the Supra is automatic only (plus Supra is way overpriced). What I meant is the auto-revmatch feature which you don't need to heel toe downshift on fast curves. Thanks for informing how to operate paddles faster by the way.
@@clxx1302 no problems feel free to ask me anything
@@clxx1302 ohh on the car I’m not sure haha I misread.
Nope, the new GR86 does not have any automatic rev-matching on the manual models. The automatic does though.
I would buy the automatic so I can turn it into a 40+ mpg RWD hybrid.
For daily drive in city, do you still suggesting the manual one
No, driving manual in city traffic is anything but fun and comfortable.
I think the worst part about getting the GR86 in manual... is that all the ones available around me are all auto :)
This car looks like a blast, a serious track weapon, but I can't see myself wanting this over an ND2 Miata or a 2021 Type R
It will be cheaper than both of those cars and a type R is a significantly different experience. Couldn't go wrong with any of those choices though
2021 Civic Type R is $60,000 out the door includes taxes, fees, dealer mark up, and dealer installed accessories.
Why not?
You can disconnect the in cabin speaker for the engine noise, gotta go to Toyota though
Is that for American cars or for cars in other countries???
Thx for the review I was rly interested to see the automatic…not as bad as before but the manual is still better especially for the fact that you have more control…anyway have a nice day 🙂
He looks like he had just as much fun sliding it in auto
Well, it's subjective.
honestly he needs some practice with paddles. He wasn't shifting at the right times lol. Or looked like he was getting off the throttle and then upshifting. So used to a manual that his paddle work is lacking
@@deez3063 he was pulling the paddle to downshift and it would deny him a lower gear… I’m sure the auto is reliable but it doesn’t seem “sporty”
@@carlshoemaker8967 they should use a faster torque converter…
When you're so early the vid is in 144p
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@@CrossfireGamingNetwork Hello 😀
Hope it sounds better in person.
The exhaust note and actual engine sound on this car is really quite good from what I've seen but the fake noise doesn't do it any justice. First step is disabling the fake noise.
could you go in depth more about why you prefer base instead of premium?
it's cuz the tires are not as sticky so it's easier to drift and have fun with the car
I see the automatic gave you some challenges that made you race drive. Which I found it to be more entertaining than the manual. Though realistically these car's are made for driving and not made for tracking.
HOW DOES IT COMPARE TO FRS/BRZ WITH UEL HEADER AND TUNE, with & without E85?!?!
Give us the comparison other car reviewers can’t…
Much more torque down low and continues to pull to redline. I’d love to line them up sometime soon but until then I’m saying the new GR 86 feels like a noticeably quicker car than one that’s been tuned with a header
As a daily driver with occasional spirited driving, I feel the automatic isn’t too bad at all
Nah, don't even bother, get the manual NO MATTER WHAT.
@@philspaghet that’s horrible logic bud
@@ErockHQ Well barring disabilities there's no reason to get the auto. Even in this video, it was infuriating seeing the auto deny shifts like that. Plus even acceleration is slower than the manual
@@philspaghet once again, shitty ass logic
@@ErockHQ meh, it's a RWD low power Japanese sports car, anything else just doesn't fit
Gr 86 Manual is the way to go imo
Would this be a good first manual car to get??
Yes one of the best for a first manual. Up there with GTI or WRX.
I like Toyota 86 / Subaru BRZ because it's affordable with reasonable mpg. Now the new one has bigger engine which is more expensive and worse mpg. In JPN zeikin (yearly tax) and shaken (2 year inspection) depends on engine capacity. Some 86/BRZ drivers want bigger engine with turbo for faster acceleration and higher top speed which make others confused. If you want those why don't you modify the the car after you buy it? Most Japanese cars are meant to be modified according to your taste. Or get a Supra. If you still cant' get enough, just get a V8 Mustang.
I have a 2014 automatic FR-S, and damn, that translogic seems horrible compared to what my car has. It doesn't fight me nearly as much as that looks like it does on downshifts. That said, I'll be getting the manual with the new model.
4:37 honestly as long as the car has enough power and good setup to do that with the automatic, I’m happy.
I want to drift the thing anyways! 😂
In the manual, what was the flashing light next to the gear number?
That would be an up shift indicator. As I was pointing out in my comment above that the auto has those indicators on the whole time telling you where the shift points are. And he was clearly missing the shift points the whole time in the auto. It was telling him every time at 55mph it was safe to downshift. But he was trying to at 60.