Can you Tell if it's Sample A or Sample B that is using the FX Loop? Timestamps: 0:00 SAMPLE A: Clean (Classic Gain Channel) 2:12 Corona Chorus - 2:25 Joyo Tremolo - 2:37 Boss DD-7 - 2:49 All 3 Combined - 3:00 Dirt (Ultra Gain Channel) Corona Chorus - 3:31 Joyo Tremolo - 3:47 Boss DD-7 - 4:03 All 3 Combined - 4:20 SAMPLE B: Clean (Classic Gain Channel) 4:39 Corona Chorus - 4:51 Joyo Tremolo - 5:03 Boss DD-7 - 5:15 All 3 Combined - 5:27 Dirt (Ultra Gain Channel) Corona Chorus - 5:56 Joyo Tremolo - 6:12 Boss DD-7 - 6:28 All 3 Combined - 6:45
yeah, when I heard that Delay in sample B with overdrive, it immediately gave it away for me. Couldn't even imagine effects loop would affect the tone so drastically
SHOCKED on two different levels: 1) I found "B" to be more intense and have more depth and then to see it was the INPUT Version?? Wow!! and 2) Very surprised to see that many of your visitors preferred A over B . Yes, B was a little muddy and you can turn down the bass a little and treble up BUT you can't dial in the "DEPTH" Perspective. To "my" ear I liked B better. Thanks Lando - Great Video!!
You can get by with either, but if the FX loop is there use it. It cleans things up nicely. The very last notes of the demo using the B loop proves this as it was very muddy compared to A. Especially as you stacked the effects.
I was unsure but guessed right that A was in the loop. More articulated chorus and delay. I prefer it. But it wasn’t easy to tell and I think 3 out of 10 times I and many would guess wrong.
It was cool hearing this... largely confirmed what people usually say. The delay sounded really distorted and unpleasant when it was put into the front of the amp (at least to my ears anyway). On the clean sounds there was much less difference but the effect of the tremolo on the dirty sound was huge too. That's what gave it away for me, the tremolo and the delay with the gain. For what it's worth, I preferred the tremolo into the amp because instead of just changing the volume of the guitar, it was actually changing the gain structure and cleaning up the signal a little bit. I've very rarely played with delay in the past so I've never really felt the need for having an effects loop. With that said, I'll definitely consider using it in the future if my amp has it and if I'm using delay. Thanks for making such a useful video!
I hear the difference however I prefer no loop! However I tend to listen with my personal tone in mind and I love an abrasive almost clipping distortion no matter the genre. GREAT video thank you for this
Very interesting. But it’s clear if you want to use the amp dirt channel for drive then use the loop. If you have a collection of drive pedals do it old school and run them in the front of a clean amp it’s a touch more dynamic that way and a lot of rock music was made using this method. In the front of the amp is best if you have a single channel amp with no loop you can make it a two channel amp and not using the loop keeps things simple.
I was surprised I preferred B , which was No loop , right ? From experience with my ancient JTM30's , any modulation pedals I use (I have that Joyo Tremolo too) work much better in the FX loop , especially if on the drive channel . Interesting.
I have amps with effects loops but I have never used them. I was always cool with running in the front. The only way I could tell which was which ,was by the way the delay sits in the dirty channel.
I make this point, a lot, in /r/guitar. Any amp that has internal FX should have an effects loop for no other reason other than to use a looper pedal. Case in point is the Boss Katana. If you want to be able to use a looper pedal with a Katana you have to buy the 100W with an effects loop. Without an FX loop, and having to use the looper pedal in front of the amp, every time you change the patch, to alter the sound, it changes all the previously recorded patches as well.
Jack I didnt understand. You ment If you use only looper pedal on FX, and after you record somethin, then change setting on amp, sound from looper pedal will be the same as before. But if you connect them in input jack, then sound from looper pedal will be changed as you soon as you start messing with settings on amp?
@@zvonimirsarcevic7928 Exactly, the effects are part of the pre-amp, so any signal before that will change when you change the effects you're using. Putting a looper pedal in the FX loop of the amp places it after the pre-amp, so you can have different sounds on different layers of your loops.
If you don't have the patience to work all the parameters for each of all your effects do not use send and return just go through the front and it'll be a lot easier your sound won't be as "clean and crisp" but it works fine. When you use the effects send and return you will notice all your guitar playing mistakes much more, I think it'll make you a better player but you have to put a lot of time into each and every effects parameter. Experiment for hours on end and you might find what you like best, then come back a day later and still work on it. A downside to send and return is that every guitar will need its own sound because not all pickups are the same but if you have the time and the patience it will pay off. Again this is just my own experience.
Well, let me clarify something here, if i may When you ran both A&B clean the difference was nothing. You needed distortion to hear the difference, and here's why. When you play through a clean amp,with no FX loop, and has no independant gain control, you have to turn the master volume up enough for the preamp tubes to push the drive / gain tubes to achieve distortion. This is what is refered to as NATURAL GAIN. Anytime you plug into the front of any amp and turn it up to natural gain your time based modulation pedals sound out of series because they are. All the FX loop is doing is placing the signal from the pedals between the preamp stage and the drive / gain stage . So , how is this resolved on a clean amp that has no FX loop like a Fender Prinston ? Use an overdrive pedal in front of the FX pedals and your back in series . I set the volume on my clean amp to 3 and i use the volume and gain on my pedal to drive the tubes This is why guy's like David Gilmour never bothered with the FX loop because they used various distortion pedals like the ProCo Rat , or a Fuzz Face. So, why bother buying a clean amp.? Why not just buy a dirty amp.? Becaus the cleans on a tube driven clean amp are generally preferable to the ear. And despite not having a FX loop , a good clean tube driven amp makes for a great pedal platform, particularly if you use buffered analog pedals VS digital pedals. Its the digital pedals that sound beter in FX loops. Though you can use either . If im plugged in front i prefer analog. And just so you know , the A/B test in this demonstration did not include the use of a Gain / Distortion pedal.
Revealing tests, I think there is a very very marked difference in how the effects react 4:266:51, but at the same time it is something that will not matter much when you are playing, but for recording environments a stricter order of the pedals and the preamplification of the AMP is necessary.
B is without. A is with. A is clearer and effects more intense. B is muddy and with gain getting varied rather than volume with effects. I loath my delay in the front, it just turns to mud fest.
One great reason to have an amp with an effects loop is that if you are a gigging musician you may run into times where the venue has bad wiring and thus causes noise through the amps. With an effects loop and a good noise reduction pedal you can gate before the preamp and after the preamp so you can get the lowest amount of noise going out into the venue.
The delay was terrible with no FX loop! Holy crap! This was useful to actually hear and now I know with all the modulations I use, FX loop IS necessary
With FX loops sometimes yes sometimes no depends on the pedal. If the amp is a simple one like a Fender pro junior then you only option is everything in the front. But some pedals work better in the loop like the very popular Boss MT-2 which with a tube amp definitely sounds better through the FX loop using it as a preamp to drive the power tubes. The last test sounded not so great. Yes delay out of the loop not great either.
Dirty channel makes it obvious. When playing clean, the front is not awful, but with any gain, pedal or amp, the difference is huge. Bypassing the preamp is almost a must when using most effects. Great video. I would be willing to bet the majority of people that won't buy an amp without an effects loop play hard rock or metal.
He use amp distortion thats why sounds like that but if you use a overdrive or distortion pedal all in front with the correct pedal order will be sound without problems but like you said its frustrating buying a amp and cant use the drive channel with modulation pedals
Its easy to tell, when you use dirt and no FX loop, the effects are thin and almost unnoticeable like chorus and tremolo, and delay is just out of wack. I never knew about FX loop until a few years ago and if I use modulations or time based effects, they have to be in FX loop, and my EQ at the very end!
This is a great test.. F/X loops are much cleaner to use.. you can't run time based effects like Delay and Reverb straight into the preamp section first.. it makes a big audio mess of things!!!! (unless that's what you're aiming for)! The f/x loop separates the preamp and power sections..and dumps your f/x between them... making your effects more useable!
Oh wow I had it backwards… specifically on the chorus pedal at the end B sounded so much clearer. I bounced back and forth between the two and A sounded kinda muddy so I thought that had to be without the loop.
I always need an effects loop, because I run a Synergy preamp system to ADD two channels to my existing amplifier. I doubt I’ll ever have the loot to buy a Dumble, or even a Morgan AC, so I’ll always have an amp with an effects loop as my “main” amplifier, so I have that ability. Never had a chance to A/B the Dumble preamp, but the Morgan is close enough to make me happy. Plus, the built in XLR out makes it great for any gig. I use a 1x12 as a monitor. It’s perfect, for me.
Great video. Thanks for doing it. I can definitely hear the difference and could tell A was through the effect loop with the first pedal. In the end, it all depends on what sound you're looking for since different effects sound different in front of the amp or going through the effect loop (as your video showed). I play around with running mine with different settings in front or through the loop (HT Stage 100 MKII) just to experiment. Just part of the fun of playing guitar.
Question. Can the "no-fx-loop" acheieve a similar tone to "fx-loop" by lowering the delay level and the reverb mix? I mean... the overdrive wiull be sent through the delay and reverb, but if they are subtle... you might not even notice it.
To me its a distinctive difference that I could tell on a blind ear, the chorus and delay sound very specific on a dirty channel with where they're placed. I think at the very least chorus sounds best in fx loop (and in stereo)
One thing I ask is, with NO EFX loop did you adjust the levels on the effects accordingly or were they set the same for both A&B, Coincidentally I used my effects loop today for the first time, a marshall origin 50, i reduced the levels of the rev, dely, trem when going in the front-end and liked it better than the loop, after watching this tomorrow i'll mess with it again
Wow, I preferred the non-fx loop every single time. Settles that for me. My effects loop return jack is broken, but sounds like I’ll just run it into the front anyways from here on out
Great examples, love the licks. But I wish you would’ve dialed in the effects. Of course, going through the front you’ll have to shorten up those delay tails, and the repeats, etc. Hard to find a good comparison video, don’t get much out of running everything set at noon. But thanks.
Cool video idea! Imo it depends on what effects you're using. Delays and reverbs definitely sound better through an FX loop - especially when you're using gain. As for modulation...I think it's more of a taste thing.
Have a high gain amp and playing a tele so I just got the boss ns-2 and using the 4 cable method for dirt in front and chorus, delay and looper in the effects loop and all is nice and quiet. Effects loop is definitely best for delay and chorus in my set up. Thanks for taking the time to post these videos. Take good care
Wow great video! I could finally tell the difference in what everyone is talking about and it is definitely what I do not currently like about my tone.(i.e. not having an effects loop) There is a bit too much muddiness, gain, etc. which I hate because for me it occurs in my clean tone which is exactly the opposite reason I bought my current amp.
Effects loop: Sucks in the brightness and volume of the amp but it’s a tad bit quieter than no loop (unwanted noise specially from a tube amp). No effects loop: You get all the brightness and grittiness (gain) of your amp but with more noise (unwanted noise specially from a tube amp) even with a noise gate. You can definitely hear a difference in noise between looped or non looped.
fx loop or no fx loop - it seems it is a matter of personal choice and what you the individual player wants to do with it. no fx loop does seem to sound better with the clean channel.
GREAT...im screwed. The marshall dsl15 has a 12 inch speaker but no effects loop. The dsl5 has an effects loop but but a 10inch speaker. The dsl20 has both but i'm to broke to afford it... JUST AMAZING!
For me is the sound without fx loop better. By Fx Loop the Bottum End is to bassy. In my case I put Reverb and Delay in the FX loop and Chorus and Flanger in front of the AMP. So it sounds better in my ears. But its a question of individual taste.
Thanks for doing this, great video. In the loop much quieter as a far as ambient pedal noise. Can I be the first to say how much I hate that tremolo pedal? :D
The biggest difference is because with the fx loop the distortion is before the other effects so it'd be interesting to compare the same but with the gain coming from a distortion put before the other pedals
I don't use the "gain" on the amp, I'm a plex/tweed guy, if you're not using pedals I prefervthecamps natural distortion, i hate to say it, but, Eddie Van Halen had that shit down, so did Angus Young
I'm old school, when the levels are adjusted properly I like everything in the front end, doesn't sound like he adjusted the levels accordingly. Homework for tomorrow
The A sample has the FX loop and The B is with out FX loop. I can definitely hear the Clarity on the A sample with all three effects playing with distortion.
Mod fx are generally put in the signalpath after od/ds, even if these go through the pre amp. In the loop their not affected by gain and eq of the pre amp, this is what you noticed.
I got it right. B was very much more muddled up than A especially with gain added. I’ve found the same thing on my Katana 100. It’s better when you run gain and od through the front with the effects in the loop. Otherwise it gets messy. 👍
@@heyjarrod going through the front with overdrive and distortion pedals and using the effects loop for timed effects like delays, reverb, Univibe and chorus etc is the conventional and optimal setup for clarity. It works for me in my digital amp and tube amp. But there’s absolutely no reason why a person couldn’t chop and change things to get their own individual tones 👍😃
As a noob just looking at the routing putting overdrive and distortion in the loop is a bad idea. You insert these after modulating fx as time based fx. My idea is through little experience is to use od/ds front (into pre amp) and modulation and time based fx in the loop (between pre and power amp).
Defiantly different. With loop was better in all accounts. Odd part for me was it made the tremolo tolerable with dirt in the signal. Made it even more god awful when clean.
I don't use the "gain" on the amp, I'm a plexi/tweed guy, if you're not using pedals I prefer the amps natural distortion, i hate to say it, but, Eddie Van Halen had that shit down, so did Angus Young
Wow, B sounded better to me. But so many classic players have used effects with amps without effects loops. I liked the intensity of the distorted tone your amp provided in this video.
huh........no effects loop = dry sound period if using no effects or crap sound trying to run delay or reverb through the front of a gained up amp. effects loop fixes all of that. Some effects can run through the front gained up some cant. I don't own but one amp with no effects loop but its a jazz chorus all clean. All other's MUST have an effects loop unless you want to hear a dry sounding tone that you can't put into a mix of a recording unless you add effects then. And it is easy to hear how bad the samples were running delay through the front.
@@landonbailey I was surprised with the Delay for B Dirty. That's gotta be the FX Loop, as it was the most accented in all clips. Nope. In Front. Great demo.
Can you Tell if it's Sample A or Sample B that is using the FX Loop?
Timestamps: 0:00
SAMPLE A:
Clean (Classic Gain Channel) 2:12
Corona Chorus - 2:25
Joyo Tremolo - 2:37
Boss DD-7 - 2:49
All 3 Combined - 3:00
Dirt (Ultra Gain Channel)
Corona Chorus - 3:31
Joyo Tremolo - 3:47
Boss DD-7 - 4:03
All 3 Combined - 4:20
SAMPLE B:
Clean (Classic Gain Channel) 4:39
Corona Chorus - 4:51
Joyo Tremolo - 5:03
Boss DD-7 - 5:15
All 3 Combined - 5:27
Dirt (Ultra Gain Channel)
Corona Chorus - 5:56
Joyo Tremolo - 6:12
Boss DD-7 - 6:28
All 3 Combined - 6:45
Lando27Music The Tremelo sound in the loop doesn’t sound as good to me, but the delay sounds better in the loop.
yeah, when I heard that Delay in sample B with overdrive, it immediately gave it away for me. Couldn't even imagine effects loop would affect the tone so drastically
Yep, its a "distorted delay" instead of a "delayed distortion" if you know what I mean.
SHOCKED on two different levels: 1) I found "B" to be more intense and have more depth and then to see it was the INPUT Version?? Wow!! and 2) Very surprised to see that many of your visitors preferred A over B . Yes, B was a little muddy and you can turn down the bass a little and treble up BUT you can't dial in the "DEPTH" Perspective. To "my" ear I liked B better. Thanks Lando - Great Video!!
hey thanks! ya there's a use for all tones no matter if people love or hate them. all personal taste 🎸👍
Thats true. The sound of Version A was clear and clean.
By Version B I heared more base.
The Distorded Sound was not so clear and crisp.
Delay was so ugly on B distorted
COOOOOL! I think the effects loop did a huge difference. I'll be trying mine out tonight. Cant wait!
Awesome video my friend!
So glad someone finally did this. I have a great amp with no fx loop and was debating whether or not to keep it. Now I've decided to keep it.
Glad I could help!
You can get by with either, but if the FX loop is there use it. It cleans things up nicely. The very last notes of the demo using the B loop proves this as it was very muddy compared to A. Especially as you stacked the effects.
I was unsure but guessed right that A was in the loop. More articulated chorus and delay. I prefer it. But it wasn’t easy to tell and I think 3 out of 10 times I and many would guess wrong.
It was cool hearing this... largely confirmed what people usually say. The delay sounded really distorted and unpleasant when it was put into the front of the amp (at least to my ears anyway). On the clean sounds there was much less difference but the effect of the tremolo on the dirty sound was huge too. That's what gave it away for me, the tremolo and the delay with the gain.
For what it's worth, I preferred the tremolo into the amp because instead of just changing the volume of the guitar, it was actually changing the gain structure and cleaning up the signal a little bit.
I've very rarely played with delay in the past so I've never really felt the need for having an effects loop. With that said, I'll definitely consider using it in the future if my amp has it and if I'm using delay.
Thanks for making such a useful video!
I hear the difference however I prefer no loop! However I tend to listen with my personal tone in mind and I love an abrasive almost clipping distortion no matter the genre. GREAT video thank you for this
cheers!
Very interesting. But it’s clear if you want to use the amp dirt channel for drive then use the loop. If you have a collection of drive pedals do it old school and run them in the front of a clean amp it’s a touch more dynamic that way and a lot of rock music was made using this method.
In the front of the amp is best if you have a single channel amp with no loop you can make it a two channel amp and not using the loop keeps things simple.
I was surprised I preferred B , which was No loop , right ? From experience with my ancient JTM30's , any modulation pedals I use (I have that Joyo Tremolo too) work much better in the FX loop , especially if on the drive channel . Interesting.
I have amps with effects loops but I have never used them. I was always cool with running in the front.
The only way I could tell which was which ,was by the way the delay sits in the dirty channel.
Same here, I never use the loop even when I have one available. But I'm a clean player, who loves to chug occasionally
I make this point, a lot, in /r/guitar.
Any amp that has internal FX should have an effects loop for no other reason other than to use a looper pedal. Case in point is the Boss Katana. If you want to be able to use a looper pedal with a Katana you have to buy the 100W with an effects loop. Without an FX loop, and having to use the looper pedal in front of the amp, every time you change the patch, to alter the sound, it changes all the previously recorded patches as well.
I was wondering about that myself.
Jack I didnt understand. You ment If you use only looper pedal on FX, and after you record somethin, then change setting on amp, sound from looper pedal will be the same as before. But if you connect them in input jack, then sound from looper pedal will be changed as you soon as you start messing with settings on amp?
@@zvonimirsarcevic7928 Exactly, the effects are part of the pre-amp, so any signal before that will change when you change the effects you're using. Putting a looper pedal in the FX loop of the amp places it after the pre-amp, so you can have different sounds on different layers of your loops.
@@JackDaniels10101 damn..and I have 3 amps with no FX loop.. :)
@@zvonimirsarcevic7928 You can always use effects pedals in front of the looper pedal :)
If you don't have the patience to work all the parameters for each of all your effects do not use send and return just go through the front and it'll be a lot easier your sound won't be as "clean and crisp" but it works fine.
When you use the effects send and return you will notice all your guitar playing mistakes much more, I think it'll make you a better player but you have to put a lot of time into each and every effects parameter.
Experiment for hours on end and you might find what you like best, then come back a day later and still work on it.
A downside to send and return is that every guitar will need its own sound because not all pickups are the same but if you have the time and the patience it will pay off.
Again this is just my own experience.
Well, let me clarify something here, if i may
When you ran both A&B clean the difference was nothing. You needed distortion to hear the difference, and here's why.
When you play through a clean amp,with no FX loop, and has no independant gain control, you have to turn the master volume up enough for the preamp tubes to push the drive / gain tubes to achieve distortion. This is what is refered to as NATURAL GAIN.
Anytime you plug into the front of any amp and turn it up to natural gain your time based modulation pedals sound out of series because they are. All the FX loop is doing is placing the signal from the pedals between the preamp stage and the drive / gain stage .
So , how is this resolved on a clean amp that has no FX loop like a Fender Prinston ?
Use an overdrive pedal in front of the FX pedals and your back in series . I set the volume on my clean amp to 3 and i use the volume and gain on my pedal to drive the tubes
This is why guy's like David Gilmour never bothered with the FX loop because they used various distortion pedals like the ProCo Rat , or a Fuzz Face.
So, why bother buying a clean amp.?
Why not just buy a dirty amp.?
Becaus the cleans on a tube driven clean amp are generally preferable to the ear. And despite not having a FX loop , a good clean tube driven amp makes for a great pedal platform, particularly if you use buffered analog pedals VS digital pedals. Its the digital pedals that sound beter in FX loops. Though you can use either .
If im plugged in front i prefer analog.
And just so you know , the A/B test in this demonstration did not include the use of a Gain / Distortion pedal.
Revealing tests, I think there is a very very marked difference in how the effects react 4:26 6:51, but at the same time it is something that will not matter much when you are playing, but for recording environments a stricter order of the pedals and the preamplification of the AMP is necessary.
B is without. A is with.
A is clearer and effects more intense.
B is muddy and with gain getting varied rather than volume with effects.
I loath my delay in the front, it just turns to mud fest.
One great reason to have an amp with an effects loop is that if you are a gigging musician you may run into times where the venue has bad wiring and thus causes noise through the amps. With an effects loop and a good noise reduction pedal you can gate before the preamp and after the preamp so you can get the lowest amount of noise going out into the venue.
good tip! 🎸👍😊
The delay was terrible with no FX loop! Holy crap! This was useful to actually hear and now I know with all the modulations I use, FX loop IS necessary
People need to hear this!
With FX loops sometimes yes sometimes no depends on the pedal. If the amp is a simple one like a Fender pro junior then you only option is everything in the front. But some pedals work better in the loop like the very popular Boss MT-2 which with a tube amp definitely sounds better through the FX loop using it as a preamp to drive the power tubes.
The last test sounded not so great. Yes delay out of the loop not great either.
Do you think the difference can be helped a bit by fiddling with the settings on the peddle a bit?
Dirty channel makes it obvious. When playing clean, the front is not awful, but with any gain, pedal or amp, the difference is huge.
Bypassing the preamp is almost a must when using most effects. Great video. I would be willing to bet the majority of people
that won't buy an amp without an effects loop play hard rock or metal.
He use amp distortion thats why sounds like that but if you use a overdrive or distortion pedal all in front with the correct pedal order will be sound without problems but like you said its frustrating buying a amp and cant use the drive channel with modulation pedals
Its easy to tell, when you use dirt and no FX loop, the effects are thin and almost unnoticeable like chorus and tremolo, and delay is just out of wack.
I never knew about FX loop until a few years ago and if I use modulations or time based effects, they have to be in FX loop, and my EQ at the very end!
This is a great test.. F/X loops are much cleaner to use.. you can't run time based effects like Delay and Reverb straight into the preamp section first.. it makes a big audio mess of things!!!! (unless that's what you're aiming for)! The f/x loop separates the preamp and power sections..and dumps your f/x between them... making your effects more useable!
Oh wow I had it backwards… specifically on the chorus pedal at the end B sounded so much clearer. I bounced back and forth between the two and A sounded kinda muddy so I thought that had to be without the loop.
I always need an effects loop, because I run a Synergy preamp system to ADD two channels to my existing amplifier. I doubt I’ll ever have the loot to buy a Dumble, or even a Morgan AC, so I’ll always have an amp with an effects loop as my “main” amplifier, so I have that ability. Never had a chance to A/B the Dumble preamp, but the Morgan is close enough to make me happy. Plus, the built in XLR out makes it great for any gig. I use a 1x12 as a monitor. It’s perfect, for me.
Great video. Thanks for doing it. I can definitely hear the difference and could tell A was through the effect loop with the first pedal. In the end, it all depends on what sound you're looking for since different effects sound different in front of the amp or going through the effect loop (as your video showed). I play around with running mine with different settings in front or through the loop (HT Stage 100 MKII) just to experiment. Just part of the fun of playing guitar.
Question. Can the "no-fx-loop" acheieve a similar tone to "fx-loop" by lowering the delay level and the reverb mix? I mean... the overdrive wiull be sent through the delay and reverb, but if they are subtle... you might not even notice it.
To me its a distinctive difference that I could tell on a blind ear, the chorus and delay sound very specific on a dirty channel with where they're placed. I think at the very least chorus sounds best in fx loop (and in stereo)
One thing I ask is, with NO EFX loop did you adjust the levels on the effects accordingly or were they set the same for both A&B, Coincidentally I used my effects loop today for the first time, a marshall origin 50, i reduced the levels of the rev, dely, trem when going in the front-end and liked it better than the loop, after watching this tomorrow i'll mess with it again
I don’t even remember making this video! 🤣
Wow, I preferred the non-fx loop every single time. Settles that for me. My effects loop return jack is broken, but sounds like I’ll just run it into the front anyways from here on out
Great examples, love the licks. But I wish you would’ve dialed in the effects. Of course, going through the front you’ll have to shorten up those delay tails, and the repeats, etc.
Hard to find a good comparison video, don’t get much out of running everything set at noon. But thanks.
Seemed like B was out of control once all the pedals were on especially the delay. Was intense as noted in the comments below!
Thanks for this great blind comparisson.
👍🎸
Cool video idea!
Imo it depends on what effects you're using. Delays and reverbs definitely sound better through an FX loop - especially when you're using gain. As for modulation...I think it's more of a taste thing.
that's exactly what I've noticed after attempting this 👍🎸
@@landonbailey same here.
Have a high gain amp and playing a tele so I just got the boss ns-2 and using the 4 cable method for dirt in front and chorus, delay and looper in the effects loop and all is nice and quiet. Effects loop is definitely best for delay and chorus in my set up.
Thanks for taking the time to post these videos.
Take good care
Wow great video! I could finally tell the difference in what everyone is talking about and it is definitely what I do not currently like about my tone.(i.e. not having an effects loop) There is a bit too much muddiness, gain, etc. which I hate because for me it occurs in my clean tone which is exactly the opposite reason I bought my current amp.
With a clean preamp it doesn't matter but with a dirt preamp I prefer modulation and time pedals to the loop
i think I'm going to buy a blues junior but it doesn't have an fx loop, what should i do... i hate the delay on the front
ya don't get a Blues Junior in that case
I think it works great if you get your gain from a pedal while using the amp purely as a clean channel to keep things “in order”.
My amp has no fx loop, please tell me the cheapest solution to not get that muddy distortion tone
tremolo and delay without efx loop to my ears sound totally wrong. Tremolo seems to have no effect and delay is totally out and distorted. Good video.
Tremolo into a dirty amp is basically playing with the gain knob instead of the volume knob. Dunno when you would want that?
It was very obvious the first one was FX Loop! Most definitely a better sound!
I only liked the term in the loop.
Effects loop: Sucks in the brightness and volume of the amp but it’s a tad bit quieter than no loop (unwanted noise specially from a tube amp).
No effects loop: You get all the brightness and grittiness (gain) of your amp but with more noise (unwanted noise specially from a tube amp) even with a noise gate.
You can definitely hear a difference in noise between looped or non looped.
Killer idea for video man!
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I guessed right but only by the delay on dirty sample B being so much fuller, and not in a good way!
fx loop or no fx loop - it seems it is a matter of personal choice and what you the individual player wants to do with it. no fx loop does seem to sound better with the clean channel.
Leaving settings the same on pedals?
yes
The tone in sample A is much more contained but I love a much more pronounced tone so I'll go with sample B!
GREAT...im screwed. The marshall dsl15 has a 12 inch speaker but no effects loop. The dsl5 has an effects loop but but a 10inch speaker. The dsl20 has both but i'm to broke to afford it... JUST AMAZING!
For me is the sound without fx loop better.
By Fx Loop the Bottum End is to bassy.
In my case I put Reverb and Delay in the FX loop and Chorus and Flanger in front of the AMP.
So it sounds better in my ears.
But its a question of individual taste.
Thanks for doing this, great video. In the loop much quieter as a far as ambient pedal noise. Can I be the first to say how much I hate that tremolo pedal? :D
Me too. The tremelo pedal sounds like garbage. The others were great.
The biggest difference is because with the fx loop the distortion is before the other effects so it'd be interesting to compare the same but with the gain coming from a distortion put before the other pedals
I don't use the "gain" on the amp, I'm a plex/tweed guy, if you're not using pedals I prefervthecamps natural distortion, i hate to say it, but, Eddie Van Halen had that shit down, so did Angus Young
I have a train wreck Liverpool and a marshall 2204s so a fx loop is not a option for me .
I'm old school, when the levels are adjusted properly I like everything in the front end, doesn't sound like he adjusted the levels accordingly. Homework for tomorrow
The A sample has the FX loop and The B is with out FX loop. I can definitely hear the Clarity on the A sample with all three effects playing with distortion.
I'll definitely need an FX loop for a cleaner modulation sound. dang.
Mod fx are generally put in the signalpath after od/ds, even if these go through the pre amp. In the loop their not affected by gain and eq of the pre amp, this is what you noticed.
I got it right. B was very much more muddled up than A especially with gain added. I’ve found the same thing on my Katana 100. It’s better when you run gain and od through the front with the effects in the loop. Otherwise it gets messy. 👍
But going through the front of your amp isn’t using the effects loop? Or maybe you meant something different. 🤘🏻🎸
@@heyjarrod going through the front with overdrive and distortion pedals and using the effects loop for timed effects like delays, reverb, Univibe and chorus etc is the conventional and optimal setup for clarity. It works for me in my digital amp and tube amp. But there’s absolutely no reason why a person couldn’t chop and change things to get their own individual tones 👍😃
As a noob just looking at the routing putting overdrive and distortion in the loop is a bad idea. You insert these after modulating fx as time based fx. My idea is through little experience is to use od/ds front (into pre amp) and modulation and time based fx in the loop (between pre and power amp).
Defiantly different. With loop was better in all accounts. Odd part for me was it made the tremolo tolerable with dirt in the signal. Made it even more god awful when clean.
I liked no fx loop for the clean and fx loop for the dirty channel.
Do i need an effects loop to plug a loop pedal, or can it go straight into the amp’s guitar input?
strait in. Looper and FX Loop have nothing to do with each other, but I can understand the confusion
Delay makes it obvious. Pushes the repeats way too much
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I preferred B and was surprised that it was not the FX Loop. I got it wrong.
Me exactly the same O_o
Me too, i couldn't believed it
i love how the chorus pedal's name really predicted the future.
Dirt with delay pedal is a dead giveaway I think that sample B is in front of the amp.
WHAT EXACTLY IN THE TONE with the Delay was the give away ?? Just curious - Thanks.
I liked the A (FX loop) better, less shrill. Conclusion, better if the amp has the FX loop.
I'm very new to this but even I could easily tell that sample A was better.
I don't use the "gain" on the amp, I'm a plexi/tweed guy, if you're not using pedals I prefer the amps natural distortion, i hate to say it, but, Eddie Van Halen had that shit down, so did Angus Young
I’ve had many amps with it but I’ve never used the effects loops, tried it once or twice didn’t care for it.
Wow, B sounded better to me. But so many classic players have used effects with amps without effects loops. I liked the intensity of the distorted tone your amp provided in this video.
cool! 👍🎸
You should put like for like next to each other, this is where all these tests go wrong.
I prefer timestamps. you can click back and forth
The Delay sounded better through the loop for sure
delay is more dirty en sample B, more clrear in sample A.
Buen vídeo
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Sample a sounds better. The dirty with all pedals for sample b is too muddy
First set of dirt in effects loop
A is great. We need effectloop
I liked them all as I play with a wide range of tones. The larger the palette is always better for me.
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Instead of hearing all the A and then all the B, you should've compared for example Chorus A and then Chorus B, then tremolo A and then tremolo B...
there's timestamps. you can hop around
@@landonbailey You're right, thank you
:) that's why I made them. cheers!
Every time I use effects with my amp I think about how Im letting down NOFX.. ☹️
I think amp A sounded awesome in a bad way and amp B sounded bad in an awesome way. 😂
Damn bro go easy on the crack
A is much better.
A
huh........no effects loop = dry sound period if using no effects or crap sound trying to run delay or reverb through the front of a gained up amp. effects loop fixes all of that. Some effects can run through the front gained up some cant. I don't own but one amp with no effects loop but its a jazz chorus all clean. All other's MUST have an effects loop unless you want to hear a dry sounding tone that you can't put into a mix of a recording unless you add effects then. And it is easy to hear how bad the samples were running delay through the front.
Delay effect without fx loop is freaking bad !
corona chorus did not age well
yeah that pedal's name did predicted the future.
I dint hear difference ...
Listen to the delay samples
@@landonbailey I did..once.. Second time I switch some from A-B at similar point, and if there is any..its marginal..
@@landonbailey I was surprised with the Delay for B Dirty. That's gotta be the FX Loop, as it was the most accented in all clips. Nope. In Front.
Great demo.
Am i the only one who cant hear a difference