Ok. She's Amazing. I really wanted the EU side of issues to be spoken and understood in relation to Muslims . This was such a good wrap up about the EU and Islam/Muslim issue. Thank you to Mehreen and Thinking Muslim for this. Very informative and knowledgeable discussion.
Just as Allah reminds us "O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted."(49:13)
And as allah tells us, he gives us 8 contradicting verses of how he created man. Let alone 25% of quran makes no sense at at... the same quran which is full of errors, contradictions, gramamaric errors and errors in arabic that is before we consider how many different contradicting qurans there are.
It was a pleasure listening to Mehreen Khan on the podcast today. She is incredibly intelligent, full of energy, and knowledgeable about Islamic and European issues. Not only does she have a strong command of European matters, but she also understands her religion and the socioeconomic issues related to it.
But she's deceptive. France is right to prevent the kind of Islamic thuggery that Britain is seeing. Some of ISIS' worst psychopaths were raised in British mosques, where radical Islam is protected by the state. Compared to the Middle East where dictators clamp down on this infectious religious ideology. Islamists aren't adorable helpless creatures. They're malevolent and exploitative. As is Mehreen.
DISCUSSION SUMMARY AND NOTES Introduction 00:00 The concept of "whiteness" as a civilizational identity is often contrasted with Islamic civilization in modern Europe 00:00 Neutrality is used to criticize European Muslims, implying a distinction between "us" and "them" 00:09 The nature of a Muslim is defined by prioritizing God above the state, and Islam is what binds Muslims across different countries 00:17 The European Union and Muslim Unity 00:34 The European Union is sometimes seen as a model for Muslim unity, with the idea of pooling economic and political sovereignty to create a zone of prosperity 00:44 However, the EU's unity is fracturing under the weight of "Euro whiteness," which marginalizes Muslims and views the outside world as a threat 01:12 The EU's failings and what it stands for need to be understood, particularly in the context of Muslim unity and pan-Islamic unity 02:03 Euro Whiteness 02:24 The concept of Euro whiteness refers to the racial element in European politics, particularly in relation to Islam and the perceived threat of migrants from non-white countries 02:45. The term Euro whiteness was coined by Hans Kudani, who argues that European politics has taken on a "civilizational turn" since the migration crisis in 2016 02:55. This turn is characterized by a proliferation of thinking among European countries about what kind of continent they want to become, with a focus on closing borders and restricting migration from non-white countries 03:12. The concept of Euro whiteness is linked to the idea of Judeo-Christian civilization, which is seen as being under threat from Islam and Muslims 05:30. The origins of the term "European" can be traced back to the Battle of Poitiers, where it was used to describe the people fighting against the Moors, marking the beginning of a hostile interaction between Muslims and non-Muslims in Europe 05:59. Throughout European history, Muslims have been seen as the "other", representing a different skin tone and a parallel, often conflictual, ideological inheritance 06:50. Muslims have been written out of the history of modern Europe, with their contributions to the Renaissance and Enlightenment being erased or downplayed 07:50. The concept of Euro whiteness remains a litmus test for what it means to be European, with Muslims still being seen as outside the schema of European identity 08:33. Neutrality and Hijab ban 08:42 The concept of neutrality in the European Union is used to define europeanness, but it excludes basic manifestations of muslimness, such as the hijab 09:01 The European Court of Justice ruled that employers can ask Muslim women to remove their hijab in the workplace, citing the concept of neutrality 09:45 The definition of neutrality is based on a historicized version of what Europeans have been, leaving no room for Muslims in the workplace, schools, and public institutions 10:32 Euro whiteness 11:47 The concept of Euro whiteness is evident in the way European institutions and bureaucrats identify themselves and their values 11:55 An example of Euro whiteness is the choice of colors used by European institutions, with blue being associated with europeanness and green being associated with Islam 12:50 This self-identification of what europeanness looks like is felt in the way Muslims are treated and perceived in European societies 13:18 Islamophobia in France 13:52 The French government has implemented legislation that targets Muslims, including a law against separatism that is difficult to define and falsify 15:31 The French president, Macron, has made statements that cast a wide net, including every single person who identifies as a Muslim, and has been accused of dog whistling and criminalizing Muslims 17:20 An article written about Macron's speech was taken down at the behest of the French government, highlighting the challenges of calling out islamophobia in France 17:04 European Islam? 18:29 European governments are trying to establish a national form of Islam, such as "Belgian Islam" or "French Islam," by setting up institutes and certifying imams to promote a version of Islam that prioritizes the state over God 18:44. This approach is seen as an attempt to control and regulate Islam, similar to how colonial powers used to approve and certify imams in colonized Muslim countries 20:20. The idea of creating a national form of Islam is considered ridiculous, as it is not possible to create an institutionalized religion by fiat 20:05. Secularism - France’s religion 20:35 Secularism in France is seen as a form of control, where the state mandates and approves forms of religion, and prosecutes non-approved versions 21:14. The concept of secularism in France is historically specific and contingent on the French State's relationship with the Catholic Church, and is not applicable to the current situation with Muslims 21:34. The use of the state's power against Muslims is seen as an asymmetrical power struggle, where the state is using its power against a disempowered and marginalized group 22:50. What is EU? 23:38 The European Union (EU) is a post-war political project with elements of supranationalism, a system of law above its 27 member states, and institutions such as the European Commission and European Parliament. 24:31 The EU is a halfway house between a supranational body with federal powers and a collection of nation-states with their own powers. 24:58 The EU has a more integrated body called the Euro Zone, consisting of 20 countries that share a currency, central bank, and monetary policy. 26:47 EU Ideology 27:16 The EU has an ideological component, driven by a neoliberal vision of creating prosperity and growth through low regulations, free movement of people, and free movement of capital. 28:30 The EU's ideology is rooted in the post-war era and the triumph of neoliberalism in the 1980s, which is why people on the left still have grievances about the EU's operation. 31:02 The EU's single market and customs union are based on neoliberal ideas, and its construction has been shaped by ideological battles between the right and the left. 29:50 The Left 31:17 The left's support for the EU is attributed to a shift towards the center, favoring technocracy and bureaucracy over policies, and a shallow version of cosmopolitanism 32:00. The left's ideology has been hollowed out, making it perfect for the modern European Union, leading to the decline of left Euroscepticism from the '90s and 2000s onwards 34:16. The left's embracing of the market and free movement of labor has led to high degrees of migration, which has contributed to the left's support for the EU 33:20. EU Success 34:44 The European Union's success is a matter of perspective, with some countries, like Poland, experiencing economic growth after joining the EU, while others, like France, have not seen significant economic improvement 34:50. The EU's single market has led to convergence between poorer and richer countries, but there are still frictions and incompleteness in the market, particularly in services and banking 36:23. The EU's appeal to poorer Muslim nations lies in its potential to create a convergence process, allowing them to share in the prosperity of richer countries, but this comes with consequences such as brain drain 36:53. Binding structures 38:05 The European Union is not a federal organization, and its federalization is hindered by the strength of its member nation-states 38:19. In contrast, many Muslims share a common ideology and identity, which could potentially work in favor of a unified structure 38:50. What binds Europeans together is their membership in the European Union and geographical contiguity, whereas for Muslims, it is their shared faith, particularly Sunni Islam 39:43. Commonalities and differences 40:12 The European Union has geographical contiguity and a common trauma from World War I and II, which binds its member states together 40:22. Muslim countries lack a common trauma and have a more mixed history, with some experiencing the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire as traumatic and others as liberating 41:53. Muslims are still uncomfortable with the concept of separate nation-states and often identify more with their tribe or faith than their nationality 42:18. Identity and sovereignty 42:35 The US is an example of a federal system where sovereignty can be both shared and closely held, which might be more comfortable for Muslims 42:41. Muslims have traditionally had a more flexible relationship with authority, which is reflected in the American political system 43:23. A potential future Muslim unity or political structure would need to balance individual freedoms with federal authority 44:06. Europeanness vs Muslimness 44:48 European identity is often defined by what it is not, with Islam being a key factor in this negative identity 45:12. The European Union has expanded its definition of Europe to include Orthodox Christianity, but it is argued that it will never truly accommodate Islam 46:58. The concept of EUR whiteness is introduced as a civilizational identity that excludes Islamic civilization, contributing to Europe's problem with Muslims inside and outside of Europe 47:08. EU on Gaza 47:40 The European Union's response to the Gaza issue is seen as hypocritical, with individual nationalisms and historical ties influencing countries' stances rather than a unified European identity 48:20. The European Commission President's actions on the Gaza issue are attributed to her German instincts rather than her role as a European representative 48:36. Countries with strong Pro-Palestinian constituencies, such as Ireland and Spain, are acting in ways that break away from the German-led approach 49:05.
Media on Gaza 50:03 The media response to Gaza has been inadequate, with a lack of nuance and diversity in coverage, despite the hiring of Muslim journalists 50:47. Western journalists are unable to access Gaza, resulting in a lack of reporting from the region, which should be explicitly stated in news coverage 51:24. The media should be more transparent about their limitations in reporting on Gaza and campaign for access to the region, similar to campaigns for journalists arrested or captured by foreign governments 52:08. The Rise of Islamophobic Parties in Europe 54:31 The rise of Islamophobic parties across Europe is a concerning trend, with the media and politicians contributing to the problem through their narratives and reactions to refugee crises 54:31. Islamophobia and Optimism 54:32 Far-right parties in Europe are attaching themselves to the idea of Euro whiteness and cultural superiority, winning elections on an anti-Islamic ticket 54:36. Even liberal parties in Britain have not strongly condemned Islamophobia, as there may be a currency in appealing to a base that holds such views 55:20. The center, rather than the right, is more concerning, as liberals often make political choices about who to target with advocacy, and may not strongly condemn low-level Islamophobia 56:02. Muslims in Europe are undergoing an evolution in the racism they face, from being seen as newcomers to being seen as a threat due to their increasing visibility and success 57:44. This evolution is a sign of success, but also attracts more existential angst from the majority, similar to what Jewish communities have faced 58:58. Despite challenges, there is reason to be optimistic about the prospects of Muslims in Europe, particularly in Britain, where they are becoming more visible and vocal 57:26.
Thank you for this wonderful post. MashaAllah, sister Mehreen Khan is amazing. This is so far the best presentation that I've come across so far on this topic. Although I cautiously share her optimism and agree with her wholeheartedly, our situation in Europe or in the western hemisphere would not improve unless our Muslim lands are significantly in good order. To earn mutual respect we need to have better standing in the world.
@@marcusj9947because unlike the west didn't go through what the mid East is going through. The mid East needs complete liberation from Russia/ west/ yisrael/ despotic regimes backed by them. No interfere.
They did it by secularism, science and reason. And the Muslim world is 1000 years behind because it sticks to religion and violence. What Muslim nation manufactures even a single car? How do you claim to have any role in advancing the West when you're the most backwards people on Earth? Non-Muslim Asia is ahead, non-Muslim West is head. The only pit is the Muslim world.
The indoctrination starts at the school level. They go straight from Caesar to Queen Victoria, skipping over the 1,000 years in between when a bar of soap was a rarity in Europe, while the East was building architectural marvels and producing profound literature. And then we know who came to loot it all.
سِالُتتكِ بّالُلُُه 💔الُجْلُيَلُ الُجْبّارَ انَ تْنَقًذَنَا قًبّلُ انَ نَمٌوَتْ مٌنَ شِدِتْ الُجْوَع انَتٌْخيَكِ انَيَ دٌِخلُةِ ْعلُى الُلُُه تْمٌ ْعلُيَكِ انَيَ فَيَ وَجُْهك انَـيَ اخـتْكِ انَـيَ اتْرَجْـاكِ اتْـوَسِـلُ الُـيَـكِ انَـقًـذَنَا لُـوَجُْـه الُـلُُـه. يَــشِــُهدِ الُــلُــُه يَاٌخـيَ انَ مٌنَ الُــصّــبّاحُ حُـتْا الُـانَ يَــحُــرَمٌ ْعـــلُيَـنَـا الاكل غير الماء والله اني ما كتبت هذا الكلام الا من الضيق وقسوت الضروف اني طالبه من الله ثم منك لاتردني خايبه يا اخي ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' اخي اول كلامي انا اقسم بالله على كتاب الله اني لااكذب عليك ولا انصب ولا احتال اني بنت يمنيه نازحين من انا واسرتي بيننا ایت الشهرب 20 الف يمني والان علينا 60 الف حق 3 شهور وصاحب البيت من الناس الي ماترحم والله يا اخي انه يجي كل يوم يبهدلنا ويتكلم علينا ويريد من البيت للشارع لانناماقدرنا ندفعله الأجار شافونا الجيران نبكي ورجعو تكلمو الجيران ومهلنالاخره الأسبوع معادفعنا له حلف يمين بالله هذا بيخرجنا إلى الشارع رحمه واحنا. بلادنا بسبب هذا الحرب ولانجد قوت يومنا وعايشين اناوامي واخوتي سفار والدنا متوفي الله يرحمه ومامعنا أحد في هذا الدنيا جاانبنا في هذه الظروف القاسيه اخوتي الصغار خرجو للشارع وشافو الجيران ياكلو واوقفو عند بابهم لجل يعطوهم ولو كسره خبز والله الذي له ملك السموات والارض انهم غلفو الباب وطردوهم ورجعو یبکو ایموتو من الجوع ما احد رحمهم وعطلة ردها لقمت عیش والان لوما احدنا ساعدنا في إيكيلو دقيق اقسم بالله انموت من الجوع فيا اخي انا دخيله على الله ثم عليك واريد منك المساعده لوجه الله انشدك بالله تحب الخير واتساعدني ولو بما تستطيع بارك الله فيك مع تراسلي واتساب على هذا الرقم 00967711500090 وتطلب اسم بطاقتي وترسلي ولاتتاخر وايعوضك الله بكل خير اخواني سغار شوف كيف حالتهم وساعدنا وأنقذنا قبل أن يطردونا في الشارع تتبهدل أو نموت من الجوع وانا واسرتي نسالك بالله لولك مقدره على مساعد لاتتاخر علينا وجزاك الله خيرا.:،،،،،.،.؛؛؛٪٪٪٪٪،،،،،،،،&/;&😭||😭😭|😭|😭|\π☪️_☪️_☪️=😢=😢==😢😢=😭||😭|💔💔•،،،….ا™°°°😢😢😢😢.،♢♦|π،،،،،،،،،،،،،،,,,,,
Please bring her more often, she talks sense. I sense that in the future bad times are coming for muslims living in the west especially those who live in europe.
Ya brother Jalal, you should bring someone on to talk about the horrendous direction the Quebec government is taking , including anti federalist and anti constitutional, blatantly racist and islamophobic newly adopted laws.
Asking a muslim in Europe whether they place *Secularism* in higher regard than Sharia *is* like asking a zionist to actually successfully prosecute *netanyahu* in the *illegally occupied holy land*
Tired of people who claim Islam is not a European religion but Christianity is. Christianity is not native to Europe, paganism is. It's a Middle Eastern religion based on worshipping a Middle Eastern man. So why is Islam incompatible with Europe?
This was a very informative podcast. Mehreen is very eloquent and knowledgeable in the way she describes these complex dynamics. May Allah swt preserve her and grant her and us the highest ranks of Paradise.
I honestly think that the last year and a half should have been important lesson to the Muslims what Europe thinks and wants for them… Against incoming refugees, but supporting wars that creates them. They want subjugation and outright destruction. I also think that having strong and stable Muslim countries in ME and Asia are the only way to save Muslims from what they might have planned.
If Muslims feel they're history has been ignored by Europe and Europeans they might be correct. It has. But it's without question FAR more true and accurate to state that the history of Christians and Jews has not only been ignored, but consciously, wilfully and intentionally OBLITERATED in the entire Muslim world; from Morocco to Indonesia and every place in between. Thanks.
Well these Muslim countries that you mention have been colonized by European countries for decades or centuries and these colonizers have held immense amount of power where they have socially engineered the entire populations in various ways and then funneled it's natural resources back to home. You will see lots of pockets of Christian populations in different parts of Asia. A lot of the times the Portuguese would invade countries oppress the natives and make them christian through the missionaries that they would bring.This happened in Goa, India for example. This way they would bring catholic churches or other churches to foreign lands where they can project power and influence the countries internal politics. Stronger based countries like Japan was able to stop this type of foreign penetration by the The Sakoku Edict of 1635. Now why I am calling this merely a foreign invasion and not preaching Christianity, is because these colonizers wouldn't treat there subjects fairly and according to Christianity. Christianity was a tool that they could use to just "control" these foreign people. These christian soldiers and diplomats would all the time contradict there own beliefes and do the opposite of Teachings of Jesus Christ. As for Jews leaving there homelands from Muslim majority countries, is due to the creation to the state of Israel which was result of European colonization of Middle-east. After the colonization of most of the Muslim world, it left these countries poor and politically unstable, so the Jewish people of those countries for economic reasons moved out and currently occupy Palestine.
can a priest/ monk/ rabbi/ bhuddist monk go into an office to work in his religious dress? or do they have to dress up in neutral casual/suit with no visible religious clothing?
All Muslims should remember the importance of unity, irrespective of our differences in terms of madhhab (schools of thought) or levels of practice, whether one is more or less observant, pious, or otherwise. The key to our collective strength and influence lies in unity, which is often lacking in many societies. Having lived in a non-Muslim country for years, I witnessed the profound beauty of unity among the Muslim minority, primarily composed of expatriates. Why can we not set aside our origins and differences to embrace a unified global community? This could amplify our voice and ensure it is heard, even by those who remain ignorant. Cliché? Sure. We all know the answer, it’s just that we haven’t reached that point yet.
Ich möchte mich zunächst sehr für die deutsche Übersetzung bedanken. Wenn ich eine Bitte äußern darf, so wäre es die, ob Sie nicht ein besseres Übersetzungsprogramm finden könnten, dieses hier ist oft schwer zu verstehen. Zu dem Gespräch möchte ich nur anmerken, daß der Elefant im Raum nicht verstanden wird. Ausgehend von einer Analyse des prozessierenden Kapitalprozesses, spielt das Weißsein überhaupt keine Rolle. Die Religiosität (gepaart mit einem Rechtsverständnis) spielt dort eine Rolle wo Länder für ihre Bewohnerschaft eine Verfassung haben die bestimmte Rechtsverhältnisse festlegt. Das höchste Organ ist dann das Verfassungsgericht. Der Staat hat die Pflicht auf die Einhaltung der Verfassung zu achten. Dabei hilft ihm die Polizei. Solche Verfassungen, gibt es in Deutschland in jedem Bundesland. Üblicherweise muß es bei der Konzeption einer Verfassung eine breite Dikussion unter den Bürgern geben, diese müssen schließlich über die Verfassung abstimmen. Die Verfassungen sind so konzipiert, daß ökonomische Macht ( Mächtige ) nicht infrage gestellt werden kann. Der Rechtskanon der Verfassung ist die höchste Instanz in jedem Europäischen Staat!!! Gleichzeitig wird z.B. in der deutschen Verfassung eine Rechtsgleichheit festgeschrieben, die real nicht besteht, da ja die ökomomische Macht eine Vorrangstellung einnimmt, die als Liberalität definiert ist. In Deutschland herrscht der Sonderfall, daß die Nachkriegs-Verfassung nie vom Volk zustimmend entschieden wurde, sondern von den USA genehmigt wurde. Verfassungsartikel werden im Laufe der Jahre von der Politik ( den Vertretern der Parteien in der Regierung ) geändert. Der Widerspruch zwischen dem Gleichheitspostulat und dem liberalen Rechtsgrundsatz (ökonomische Macht) wird mit "Demokratiefloskeln" überspielt. Daher können wir in Deutschland von einer "simulierten Demokratie" sprechen. Die EU ist eigentlich ein US-Projekt. Ein Projekt zur Festigung der ökonomischen und daher auch ideologischen US-Vorherrschaft. Die EU und Ihre schrittweise Einbeziehung von immer mehr Ländern dient einzig und allein der ökonomischen Ausbeutung.
Brilliant. I love the fact that knowledgable and well spoken modern Muslims have this platform to demonstrate their perspectives and the ability to smash the stereotypes the white populous have of the true inheritors of the earth ❤❤❤
This lady is definitely very smart but I did not understand why she could not understand the question from the European minister. He pointed out a very relevant and fundamental notion. "Anyone who believes in Sharia". He's not asking anyone, Are you Brown or Are you Muslim or Are your forefathers from Pakistan. He's asking about the socio-economic system you subscribe to. For people to live in one country they should subscribe to the same socio-economic system. It's not about whether you believe if Allah is the God or the concept of Trinity is valid or the Prophethood is real or heaven and hell or real. The question he asked is about what you think of the rules that make up a nation. Sharia is not just a religious system that tells you how to pray and fast. It's a socio political system whose edicts are in complete contradiction to modern European values. If one believes in Sharia, it means, one believes that interest is sinful and should be abolished, leaving Islam should be a criminal offense, openly gay and lesbians should be executed, consensual sex outside of wedlock should be prosecuted, Muslim women cannot marry any one other than Muslim men and the list goes on and on. This is Sharia. If one subscribes to Sharia they do not agree with the modern European or any secular constitutions then they cannot be part of a cohesive society. Either she does not understand what subscribing to Sharia means or the Sharia she thinks about is different from the documented Muslim main-stream understanding.
Are only Muslims complaining about the liberal values you mentioned? If so, what are these new political parties we have seen in the last 10-20 years and who supports, votes these parties which defend family values and anti-LGBTQ act? Aren't they European? But it seems like they are coming to power one by one in EU Countries. Sweden, Italy, Hungary, Polland and i think Germany and France next. If it continues like this, the only thing will remain for Europeans to share in common is alcohol consumption. If you don't know, non-Muslims are allowed to sell and use it in Islamic countries,
@@baynuman Very stupid argument. Tell me one country that has sharia law implemted where econmy is good and people are free and feel free? Has there ever been sych a countr in teh last 100 years?
This world belongs to all humans and no one can close the borders and stop any country or nation and region’s people stop go anywhere they choose to go provided they support themselves and relying upon others.❤
What is so difficult to understand? You owe loyalty to the state and nothing else. If you put religion above the state, that makes you a traitor. If you don't like it, go live with your Ummah...outside Europe. You do not, as a Muslim have the right to make any alterations to the social tissue of a sovereign country, simply because you think your religion tells you to.
Who's making the alterations to the social tissue of a sovereign nation? Any religious person would put God's command first before the nation they inhabitant and also can peacefully coexist and abide by constitutional laws governing their citizens.
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Ok. She's Amazing. I really wanted the EU side of issues to be spoken and understood in relation to Muslims . This was such a good wrap up about the EU and Islam/Muslim issue. Thank you to Mehreen and Thinking Muslim for this. Very informative and knowledgeable discussion.
Most of the sisters think deep and we will love more sisters on board!
As for the brothers please don’t procrastinate!
Another outstanding,and informative podcast with our brother Jalal,Masha Allah,barakallahu fikum
Most of the sisters think deep and we will love more sisters on board!
As for the brothers please don’t procrastinate!
EU and descendants? 🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂😭! What can the world say? Let’s talk about history and where shall we start plus look at the numbers they murder etc?
Just as Allah reminds us
"O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted."(49:13)
And as allah tells us, he gives us 8 contradicting verses of how he created man. Let alone 25% of quran makes no sense at at... the same quran which is full of errors, contradictions, gramamaric errors and errors in arabic that is before we consider how many different contradicting qurans there are.
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It was a pleasure listening to Mehreen Khan on the podcast today. She is incredibly intelligent, full of energy, and knowledgeable about Islamic and European issues. Not only does she have a strong command of European matters, but she also understands her religion and the socioeconomic issues related to it.
But she's deceptive. France is right to prevent the kind of Islamic thuggery that Britain is seeing. Some of ISIS' worst psychopaths were raised in British mosques, where radical Islam is protected by the state. Compared to the Middle East where dictators clamp down on this infectious religious ideology. Islamists aren't adorable helpless creatures. They're malevolent and exploitative. As is Mehreen.
Absolutely wonderful conversation.
Mehreen is well spoken and intelligent. She should have her own channel.
DISCUSSION SUMMARY AND NOTES
Introduction 00:00
The concept of "whiteness" as a civilizational identity is often contrasted with Islamic civilization in modern Europe 00:00
Neutrality is used to criticize European Muslims, implying a distinction between "us" and "them" 00:09
The nature of a Muslim is defined by prioritizing God above the state, and Islam is what binds Muslims across different countries 00:17
The European Union and Muslim Unity 00:34
The European Union is sometimes seen as a model for Muslim unity, with the idea of pooling economic and political sovereignty to create a zone of prosperity 00:44
However, the EU's unity is fracturing under the weight of "Euro whiteness," which marginalizes Muslims and views the outside world as a threat 01:12
The EU's failings and what it stands for need to be understood, particularly in the context of Muslim unity and pan-Islamic unity 02:03
Euro Whiteness 02:24
The concept of Euro whiteness refers to the racial element in European politics, particularly in relation to Islam and the perceived threat of migrants from non-white countries 02:45.
The term Euro whiteness was coined by Hans Kudani, who argues that European politics has taken on a "civilizational turn" since the migration crisis in 2016 02:55.
This turn is characterized by a proliferation of thinking among European countries about what kind of continent they want to become, with a focus on closing borders and restricting migration from non-white countries 03:12.
The concept of Euro whiteness is linked to the idea of Judeo-Christian civilization, which is seen as being under threat from Islam and Muslims 05:30.
The origins of the term "European" can be traced back to the Battle of Poitiers, where it was used to describe the people fighting against the Moors, marking the beginning of a hostile interaction between Muslims and non-Muslims in Europe 05:59.
Throughout European history, Muslims have been seen as the "other", representing a different skin tone and a parallel, often conflictual, ideological inheritance 06:50.
Muslims have been written out of the history of modern Europe, with their contributions to the Renaissance and Enlightenment being erased or downplayed 07:50.
The concept of Euro whiteness remains a litmus test for what it means to be European, with Muslims still being seen as outside the schema of European identity 08:33.
Neutrality and Hijab ban 08:42
The concept of neutrality in the European Union is used to define europeanness, but it excludes basic manifestations of muslimness, such as the hijab 09:01
The European Court of Justice ruled that employers can ask Muslim women to remove their hijab in the workplace, citing the concept of neutrality 09:45
The definition of neutrality is based on a historicized version of what Europeans have been, leaving no room for Muslims in the workplace, schools, and public institutions 10:32
Euro whiteness 11:47
The concept of Euro whiteness is evident in the way European institutions and bureaucrats identify themselves and their values 11:55
An example of Euro whiteness is the choice of colors used by European institutions, with blue being associated with europeanness and green being associated with Islam 12:50
This self-identification of what europeanness looks like is felt in the way Muslims are treated and perceived in European societies 13:18
Islamophobia in France 13:52
The French government has implemented legislation that targets Muslims, including a law against separatism that is difficult to define and falsify 15:31
The French president, Macron, has made statements that cast a wide net, including every single person who identifies as a Muslim, and has been accused of dog whistling and criminalizing Muslims 17:20
An article written about Macron's speech was taken down at the behest of the French government, highlighting the challenges of calling out islamophobia in France 17:04
European Islam? 18:29
European governments are trying to establish a national form of Islam, such as "Belgian Islam" or "French Islam," by setting up institutes and certifying imams to promote a version of Islam that prioritizes the state over God 18:44.
This approach is seen as an attempt to control and regulate Islam, similar to how colonial powers used to approve and certify imams in colonized Muslim countries 20:20.
The idea of creating a national form of Islam is considered ridiculous, as it is not possible to create an institutionalized religion by fiat 20:05.
Secularism - France’s religion 20:35
Secularism in France is seen as a form of control, where the state mandates and approves forms of religion, and prosecutes non-approved versions 21:14.
The concept of secularism in France is historically specific and contingent on the French State's relationship with the Catholic Church, and is not applicable to the current situation with Muslims 21:34.
The use of the state's power against Muslims is seen as an asymmetrical power struggle, where the state is using its power against a disempowered and marginalized group 22:50.
What is EU? 23:38
The European Union (EU) is a post-war political project with elements of supranationalism, a system of law above its 27 member states, and institutions such as the European Commission and European Parliament. 24:31
The EU is a halfway house between a supranational body with federal powers and a collection of nation-states with their own powers. 24:58
The EU has a more integrated body called the Euro Zone, consisting of 20 countries that share a currency, central bank, and monetary policy. 26:47
EU Ideology 27:16
The EU has an ideological component, driven by a neoliberal vision of creating prosperity and growth through low regulations, free movement of people, and free movement of capital. 28:30
The EU's ideology is rooted in the post-war era and the triumph of neoliberalism in the 1980s, which is why people on the left still have grievances about the EU's operation. 31:02
The EU's single market and customs union are based on neoliberal ideas, and its construction has been shaped by ideological battles between the right and the left. 29:50
The Left 31:17
The left's support for the EU is attributed to a shift towards the center, favoring technocracy and bureaucracy over policies, and a shallow version of cosmopolitanism 32:00.
The left's ideology has been hollowed out, making it perfect for the modern European Union, leading to the decline of left Euroscepticism from the '90s and 2000s onwards 34:16.
The left's embracing of the market and free movement of labor has led to high degrees of migration, which has contributed to the left's support for the EU 33:20.
EU Success 34:44
The European Union's success is a matter of perspective, with some countries, like Poland, experiencing economic growth after joining the EU, while others, like France, have not seen significant economic improvement 34:50.
The EU's single market has led to convergence between poorer and richer countries, but there are still frictions and incompleteness in the market, particularly in services and banking 36:23.
The EU's appeal to poorer Muslim nations lies in its potential to create a convergence process, allowing them to share in the prosperity of richer countries, but this comes with consequences such as brain drain 36:53.
Binding structures 38:05
The European Union is not a federal organization, and its federalization is hindered by the strength of its member nation-states 38:19.
In contrast, many Muslims share a common ideology and identity, which could potentially work in favor of a unified structure 38:50.
What binds Europeans together is their membership in the European Union and geographical contiguity, whereas for Muslims, it is their shared faith, particularly Sunni Islam 39:43.
Commonalities and differences 40:12
The European Union has geographical contiguity and a common trauma from World War I and II, which binds its member states together 40:22.
Muslim countries lack a common trauma and have a more mixed history, with some experiencing the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire as traumatic and others as liberating 41:53.
Muslims are still uncomfortable with the concept of separate nation-states and often identify more with their tribe or faith than their nationality 42:18.
Identity and sovereignty 42:35
The US is an example of a federal system where sovereignty can be both shared and closely held, which might be more comfortable for Muslims 42:41.
Muslims have traditionally had a more flexible relationship with authority, which is reflected in the American political system 43:23.
A potential future Muslim unity or political structure would need to balance individual freedoms with federal authority 44:06.
Europeanness vs Muslimness 44:48
European identity is often defined by what it is not, with Islam being a key factor in this negative identity 45:12.
The European Union has expanded its definition of Europe to include Orthodox Christianity, but it is argued that it will never truly accommodate Islam 46:58.
The concept of EUR whiteness is introduced as a civilizational identity that excludes Islamic civilization, contributing to Europe's problem with Muslims inside and outside of Europe 47:08.
EU on Gaza 47:40
The European Union's response to the Gaza issue is seen as hypocritical, with individual nationalisms and historical ties influencing countries' stances rather than a unified European identity 48:20.
The European Commission President's actions on the Gaza issue are attributed to her German instincts rather than her role as a European representative 48:36.
Countries with strong Pro-Palestinian constituencies, such as Ireland and Spain, are acting in ways that break away from the German-led approach 49:05.
Media on Gaza 50:03
The media response to Gaza has been inadequate, with a lack of nuance and diversity in coverage, despite the hiring of Muslim journalists 50:47.
Western journalists are unable to access Gaza, resulting in a lack of reporting from the region, which should be explicitly stated in news coverage 51:24.
The media should be more transparent about their limitations in reporting on Gaza and campaign for access to the region, similar to campaigns for journalists arrested or captured by foreign governments 52:08.
The Rise of Islamophobic Parties in Europe 54:31
The rise of Islamophobic parties across Europe is a concerning trend, with the media and politicians contributing to the problem through their narratives and reactions to refugee crises 54:31.
Islamophobia and Optimism 54:32
Far-right parties in Europe are attaching themselves to the idea of Euro whiteness and cultural superiority, winning elections on an anti-Islamic ticket 54:36.
Even liberal parties in Britain have not strongly condemned Islamophobia, as there may be a currency in appealing to a base that holds such views 55:20.
The center, rather than the right, is more concerning, as liberals often make political choices about who to target with advocacy, and may not strongly condemn low-level Islamophobia 56:02.
Muslims in Europe are undergoing an evolution in the racism they face, from being seen as newcomers to being seen as a threat due to their increasing visibility and success 57:44.
This evolution is a sign of success, but also attracts more existential angst from the majority, similar to what Jewish communities have faced 58:58.
Despite challenges, there is reason to be optimistic about the prospects of Muslims in Europe, particularly in Britain, where they are becoming more visible and vocal 57:26.
Thanks for this!
Thank you for this wonderful post. MashaAllah, sister Mehreen Khan is amazing. This is so far the best presentation that I've come across so far on this topic. Although I cautiously share her optimism and agree with her wholeheartedly, our situation in Europe or in the western hemisphere would not improve unless our Muslim lands are significantly in good order. To earn mutual respect we need to have better standing in the world.
I loved listening to Mehreen! Thank you! I share in her optimism✨
The West thinks they went from the Dark Ages to Modern Ages through a mysterious magic tunnel
Well then tell us why the same Muslims cannot transform their societies with this knowledge you speak of?
@@marcusj9947 guess why
@@marcusj9947because unlike the west didn't go through what the mid East is going through.
The mid East needs complete liberation from Russia/ west/ yisrael/ despotic regimes backed by them. No interfere.
They did it by secularism, science and reason. And the Muslim world is 1000 years behind because it sticks to religion and violence. What Muslim nation manufactures even a single car? How do you claim to have any role in advancing the West when you're the most backwards people on Earth? Non-Muslim Asia is ahead, non-Muslim West is head. The only pit is the Muslim world.
The indoctrination starts at the school level. They go straight from Caesar to Queen Victoria, skipping over the 1,000 years in between when a bar of soap was a rarity in Europe, while the East was building architectural marvels and producing profound literature. And then we know who came to loot it all.
سِالُتتكِ بّالُلُُه 💔الُجْلُيَلُ الُجْبّارَ انَ تْنَقًذَنَا قًبّلُ انَ نَمٌوَتْ مٌنَ شِدِتْ الُجْوَع انَتٌْخيَكِ انَيَ دٌِخلُةِ ْعلُى الُلُُه تْمٌ ْعلُيَكِ انَيَ فَيَ وَجُْهك انَـيَ اخـتْكِ انَـيَ اتْرَجْـاكِ اتْـوَسِـلُ الُـيَـكِ انَـقًـذَنَا لُـوَجُْـه الُـلُُـه. يَــشِــُهدِ الُــلُــُه يَاٌخـيَ انَ مٌنَ الُــصّــبّاحُ حُـتْا الُـانَ يَــحُــرَمٌ ْعـــلُيَـنَـا الاكل غير الماء والله اني ما كتبت هذا الكلام الا من الضيق وقسوت الضروف اني طالبه من الله ثم منك لاتردني خايبه يا اخي ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' اخي اول كلامي انا اقسم بالله على كتاب الله اني لااكذب عليك ولا انصب ولا احتال اني بنت يمنيه نازحين من انا واسرتي بيننا ایت الشهرب 20 الف يمني والان علينا 60 الف حق 3 شهور وصاحب البيت من الناس الي ماترحم والله يا اخي انه يجي كل يوم يبهدلنا ويتكلم علينا ويريد من البيت للشارع لانناماقدرنا ندفعله الأجار شافونا الجيران نبكي ورجعو تكلمو الجيران ومهلنالاخره الأسبوع معادفعنا له حلف يمين بالله هذا بيخرجنا إلى الشارع رحمه واحنا. بلادنا بسبب هذا الحرب ولانجد قوت يومنا وعايشين اناوامي واخوتي سفار والدنا متوفي الله يرحمه ومامعنا أحد في هذا الدنيا جاانبنا في هذه الظروف القاسيه اخوتي الصغار خرجو للشارع وشافو الجيران ياكلو واوقفو عند بابهم لجل يعطوهم ولو كسره خبز والله الذي له ملك السموات والارض انهم غلفو الباب وطردوهم ورجعو یبکو ایموتو من الجوع ما احد رحمهم وعطلة ردها لقمت عیش والان لوما احدنا ساعدنا في إيكيلو دقيق اقسم بالله انموت من الجوع فيا اخي انا دخيله على الله ثم عليك واريد منك المساعده لوجه الله انشدك بالله تحب الخير واتساعدني ولو بما تستطيع بارك الله فيك مع تراسلي واتساب على هذا الرقم 00967711500090 وتطلب اسم بطاقتي وترسلي ولاتتاخر وايعوضك الله بكل خير اخواني سغار شوف كيف حالتهم وساعدنا وأنقذنا قبل أن يطردونا في الشارع تتبهدل أو نموت من الجوع وانا واسرتي نسالك بالله لولك مقدره على مساعد لاتتاخر علينا وجزاك الله خيرا.:،،،،،.،.؛؛؛٪٪٪٪٪،،،،،،،،&/;&😭||😭😭|😭|😭|\π☪️_☪️_☪️=😢=😢==😢😢=😭||😭|💔💔•،،،….ا™°°°😢😢😢😢.،♢♦|π،،،،،،،،،،،،،،,,,,,
Very good point about Ursula Von der Leyen and the german instinct, please more about this phenomenon
Brilliant episode
Outstanding presentation
Mash'Allah ❤️
She is an excellent speaker!
Thank you The Thinking Muslim channel. You are a brilliant light in a maelstrom of darkness. 🙏
Please bring her more often, she talks sense. I sense that in the future bad times are coming for muslims living in the west especially those who live in europe.
shes amazing!!
Wow! What an amazingly intelligent,insightful and articulate woman! Great show! learned loads! Well done!!
Ya brother Jalal, you should bring someone on to talk about the horrendous direction the Quebec government is taking , including anti federalist and anti constitutional, blatantly racist and islamophobic newly adopted laws.
Bloody hell she is smart!
Asking a muslim in Europe whether they place *Secularism* in higher regard than Sharia *is* like asking a zionist to actually successfully prosecute *netanyahu* in the
*illegally occupied holy land*
Tired of people who claim Islam is not a European religion but Christianity is. Christianity is not native to Europe, paganism is. It's a Middle Eastern religion based on worshipping a Middle Eastern man. So why is Islam incompatible with Europe?
wait wait, is this the same Mehreen Khan who does the football podcast?" wow I love that podcast. This is a great find sir.
She knowledgeable and intelligent
Reform candidate of the Muslim umma.
Wow!
This was a very informative podcast. Mehreen is very eloquent and knowledgeable in the way she describes these complex dynamics. May Allah swt preserve her and grant her and us the highest ranks of Paradise.
MashaAllah❤
Great podcast. The guest was able to discuss the matter really well/.
I honestly think that the last year and a half should have been important lesson to the Muslims what Europe thinks and wants for them…
Against incoming refugees, but supporting wars that creates them. They want subjugation and outright destruction.
I also think that having strong and stable Muslim countries in ME and Asia are the only way to save Muslims from what they might have planned.
Not only strong stable ME. muslims need iron curtain between Muslim world and West.
If Muslims feel they're history has been ignored by Europe and Europeans they might be correct. It has. But it's without question FAR more true and accurate to state that the history of Christians and Jews has not only been ignored, but consciously, wilfully and intentionally OBLITERATED in the entire Muslim world; from Morocco to Indonesia and every place in between. Thanks.
Well these Muslim countries that you mention have been colonized by European countries for decades or centuries and these colonizers have held immense amount of power where they have socially engineered the entire populations in various ways and then funneled it's natural resources back to home.
You will see lots of pockets of Christian populations in different parts of Asia. A lot of the times the Portuguese would invade countries oppress the natives and make them christian through the missionaries that they would bring.This happened in Goa, India for example. This way they would bring catholic churches or other churches to foreign lands where they can project power and influence the countries internal politics.
Stronger based countries like Japan was able to stop this type of foreign penetration by the The Sakoku Edict of 1635. Now why I am calling this merely a foreign invasion and not preaching Christianity, is because these colonizers wouldn't treat there subjects fairly and according to Christianity. Christianity was a tool that they could use to just "control" these foreign people. These christian soldiers and diplomats would all the time contradict there own beliefes and do the opposite of Teachings of Jesus Christ.
As for Jews leaving there homelands from Muslim majority countries, is due to the creation to the state of Israel which was result of European colonization of Middle-east. After the colonization of most of the Muslim world, it left these countries poor and politically unstable, so the Jewish people of those countries for economic reasons moved out and currently occupy Palestine.
Yeah, except that you just made that up inside your own head.
Religion is destroying the world.
They had no problem colonizing other nations but they don’t like it when those same people they colonize travel to Europe
can a priest/ monk/ rabbi/ bhuddist monk go into an office to work in his religious dress? or do they have to dress up in neutral casual/suit with no visible religious clothing?
the hate and propaganda against others who came to the west is ridiculous
She is one smart lady. Well done little sis
They want justice from the world
All Muslims should remember the importance of unity, irrespective of our differences in terms of madhhab (schools of thought) or levels of practice, whether one is more or less observant, pious, or otherwise. The key to our collective strength and influence lies in unity, which is often lacking in many societies. Having lived in a non-Muslim country for years, I witnessed the profound beauty of unity among the Muslim minority, primarily composed of expatriates. Why can we not set aside our origins and differences to embrace a unified global community? This could amplify our voice and ensure it is heard, even by those who remain ignorant. Cliché? Sure. We all know the answer, it’s just that we haven’t reached that point yet.
European is a Greek word, Ancient Greek at that.
Mareen Khan is correct. Islam is thriving in the USA.
Ich möchte mich zunächst sehr für die deutsche Übersetzung bedanken. Wenn ich eine Bitte äußern darf, so wäre es die, ob Sie nicht ein besseres Übersetzungsprogramm finden könnten, dieses hier ist oft schwer zu verstehen.
Zu dem Gespräch möchte ich nur anmerken, daß der Elefant im Raum nicht verstanden wird. Ausgehend von einer Analyse des prozessierenden Kapitalprozesses, spielt das Weißsein überhaupt keine Rolle. Die Religiosität (gepaart mit einem Rechtsverständnis) spielt dort eine Rolle wo Länder für ihre Bewohnerschaft eine Verfassung haben die bestimmte Rechtsverhältnisse festlegt. Das höchste Organ ist dann das Verfassungsgericht. Der Staat hat die Pflicht auf die Einhaltung der Verfassung zu achten. Dabei hilft ihm die Polizei. Solche Verfassungen, gibt es in Deutschland in jedem Bundesland. Üblicherweise muß es bei der Konzeption einer Verfassung eine breite Dikussion unter den Bürgern geben, diese müssen schließlich über die Verfassung abstimmen. Die Verfassungen sind so konzipiert, daß ökonomische Macht ( Mächtige ) nicht infrage gestellt werden kann. Der Rechtskanon der Verfassung ist die höchste Instanz in jedem Europäischen Staat!!! Gleichzeitig wird z.B. in der deutschen Verfassung eine Rechtsgleichheit festgeschrieben, die real nicht besteht, da ja die ökomomische Macht eine Vorrangstellung einnimmt, die als Liberalität definiert ist.
In Deutschland herrscht der Sonderfall, daß die Nachkriegs-Verfassung nie vom Volk zustimmend entschieden wurde, sondern von den USA genehmigt wurde. Verfassungsartikel werden im Laufe der Jahre von der Politik ( den Vertretern der Parteien in der Regierung ) geändert.
Der Widerspruch zwischen dem Gleichheitspostulat und dem liberalen Rechtsgrundsatz (ökonomische Macht) wird mit "Demokratiefloskeln" überspielt. Daher können wir in Deutschland von einer "simulierten Demokratie" sprechen.
Die EU ist eigentlich ein US-Projekt. Ein Projekt zur Festigung der ökonomischen und daher auch ideologischen US-Vorherrschaft. Die EU und Ihre schrittweise Einbeziehung von immer mehr Ländern dient einzig und allein der ökonomischen Ausbeutung.
Brilliant.
I love the fact that knowledgable and well spoken modern Muslims have this platform to demonstrate their perspectives and the ability to smash the stereotypes the white populous have of the true inheritors of the earth ❤❤❤
If you really think then you won't be one.....keep up the pretence.
This lady is definitely very smart but I did not understand why she could not understand the question from the European minister. He pointed out a very relevant and fundamental notion. "Anyone who believes in Sharia". He's not asking anyone, Are you Brown or Are you Muslim or Are your forefathers from Pakistan. He's asking about the socio-economic system you subscribe to. For people to live in one country they should subscribe to the same socio-economic system. It's not about whether you believe if Allah is the God or the concept of Trinity is valid or the Prophethood is real or heaven and hell or real. The question he asked is about what you think of the rules that make up a nation. Sharia is not just a religious system that tells you how to pray and fast. It's a socio political system whose edicts are in complete contradiction to modern European values. If one believes in Sharia, it means, one believes that interest is sinful and should be abolished, leaving Islam should be a criminal offense, openly gay and lesbians should be executed, consensual sex outside of wedlock should be prosecuted, Muslim women cannot marry any one other than Muslim men and the list goes on and on. This is Sharia. If one subscribes to Sharia they do not agree with the modern European or any secular constitutions then they cannot be part of a cohesive society.
Either she does not understand what subscribing to Sharia means or the Sharia she thinks about is different from the documented Muslim main-stream understanding.
So well said.
Are only Muslims complaining about the liberal values you mentioned? If so, what are these new political parties we have seen in the last 10-20 years and who supports, votes these parties which defend family values and anti-LGBTQ act? Aren't they European? But it seems like they are coming to power one by one in EU Countries. Sweden, Italy, Hungary, Polland and i think Germany and France next. If it continues like this, the only thing will remain for Europeans to share in common is alcohol consumption. If you don't know, non-Muslims are allowed to sell and use it in Islamic countries,
@@baynuman Very stupid argument. Tell me one country that has sharia law implemted where econmy is good and people are free and feel free? Has there ever been sych a countr in teh last 100 years?
Thats the culmination of my hopes and dreams , producing a woman like that.
Mehreen Khan, please spend 1 year living in Afghanistan under so called ‘Islamic rule’ then talk. 😂
Yawn. Such insight.
Is that before *Britain and America* invaded or after ?
Muslims were never *keen on poppies*
Who let the Hero-
In?
First to comment..
This world belongs to all humans and no one can close the borders and stop any country or nation and region’s people stop go anywhere they choose to go provided they support themselves and relying upon others.❤
Most of the sisters think deep and we will love more sisters on board!
As for the brothers please don’t procrastinate!
What is so difficult to understand? You owe loyalty to the state and nothing else. If you put religion above the state, that makes you a traitor. If you don't like it, go live with your Ummah...outside Europe. You do not, as a Muslim have the right to make any alterations to the social tissue of a sovereign country, simply because you think your religion tells you to.
Who's making the alterations to the social tissue of a sovereign nation? Any religious person would put God's command first before the nation they inhabitant and also can peacefully coexist and abide by constitutional laws governing their citizens.
@@rizwanaziz8562 Religion has a place. At home and nowhere else. Certainly not in the government.
@@rizwanaziz8562 This was true 1000 years ago
This interview can only make sense when you do it in Afghanistan or Pakistan. Ok📌
Most of the sisters think deep and we will love more sisters on board!
As for the brothers please don’t procrastinate!