Extreme DIESEL car cold starts all bellow -30*C - Hard starts!
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3: • Kia Sportage дизель хо...
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Cold start performance mainly comes down to how good your battery is and oil viscosity.
And how good your Glow Plugs are and how good the compression is, especially in diesel engines.
@@Alteshaus21 You all forget the most important thing. THE STARTER!
right .. and engineering in the car .. these diesels are solid
@@berufskampftrinker2792 most important thing in cold start is preheater.
Unless you have a proper heater, then starting is easy in any weather.
Why are coldstarts so fascinating?
I don't know but I love them.
they're not... people who do find this fascinating, have no life
@@SantanKGhey1234 and why are you here?
There's something about listening to an engine overcome the cold that's so satisfying. It's basically a real-world torture test.
@@ayhan8137 EXACTLY. Pot's calling the kettle black.
I can't even imagine the amount of engineering required to make something work in like -40c during winter and then possibly like +50 or even higher in direct sunlight during summer. And just in general the engine having really small tolerances for things like compression but still managing to work with what basically could be a 140c temp difference between cold and operating temperature
I wonder how long the push button cars will actually crank since they seem to keep going for a while, never thought what would happen if your car didn't fire up for some reason. I assume it would stop after a few seconds
It stops automatically, the time depends on the car itself and the amount of battery because if the system detects a low level of battery life then it either won't crank at all or it might turn for 2-3 seconds and stop if the engine doesn't start.
well the principle works for more then 100 years now. The skill really is only to get the engines smaller and make the process of starting quicker. easier and automaticly. Tolerance is not even a matter for start ups. small tolerance only plays out in terms of top end performance and efficiency.
This is one reason I am going into engineering. How can someone design these cars to perform in 150 degree farenheit air above hot asphault on a sunny day, then perform in -40 degree air. And to top it all off, keep the driver comfortable and last a long time as well. It is so crazy that we can even acheive these feats of engineering, especially since cars have only been around for 100 years. Which in the grand scheme, is not very long for development. I love engineering for these reasons.
yeah...interesting... as I read this comment of yours I remembered one speech, and that is that the one and only God has put down to us an iron in which there is benefit and strength for people. I'm muslim... If someone want read this capture (capture 25), he can look at surah Hadid (El-Hadid) - (Iron) in the Quran.
Old russian ladas start In every weather
The KIA Sportage sounds like an older tractor but it’s cold so it’s just before the engine is warm
Note to kia owner FOOT ON BIG PEDAL DONT LET IT STALL KEEP REVING
@@porscha901 Note to kia owner: Get a proper car
@@porscha901let it do its thing , you Never force a cold engine! 🥶 😮😮😮😮
why do you call renault megane for "Kia sportage"?
That Kia Sportage starting on the button was either suffering from waxing fuel or alternatively a glow plug had failed. A rarer problem I have seen is that the secondary glow plug system had failed. Its not widely appreciated, even by some technicians, that most modern diesels have secondary signal from the ECU to discretely reactivate the glow plugs (sometimes at a lower current) immediately after the engine starts in really low temperatures. No warning lamp appears on the instruments when it does this. It significantly improves cold running in the first few minutes after start and also improves emissions in that time. Its a problem that only really shows itself in extreme low temperatures where the engine starts and then runs really rough or stops. I have worked on a couple of cars that have had this problem. We test it by running a 12v 5w light bulb on a wire into the drivers compartment direct from the glow plug bus bar on the engine. If the bulb illuminates immediately after a cold start for 2-3 minutes all is good. If it doesn't then there is likely a problem.
My mercedes starts in the -30's all the time. And it doesn't come with a block heater. As long as your battery is good it's fine.
I think the engine mounts take the hardest beating in these cold starts
Yes, Also engine belts..
@@abhinchandra7208Also the starter
also your mom
@@mark5432 THE BATTERY?? HELLOO???
Все резиновые детали.либо надо прогревать всё,что бы не по трескалось.либо тёплый гараж
4:30 that bmw started up like a legend
Mine was not even starting last winter!
Most likely it was preheated. Having said that my old 315 started on first turn even in -32c. But it consumed gasoline more than I quaff beer. And that's A LOT.
They make pretty good diesel engines
@@WayToManyAssassins yep
The way the rev needle immediately snapped to attention was like something from an advert for erectile dysfunction pills.
1.5 DCi really is a master piece.
The 1.5 dCi started really easily, well done Renault 😍😍
Used to have that engine in a scenic, fantastic engines
Coz it has smallest engine, its easier to start
@@robloxfan4271 lmao worst engine ever in term of long term reliability
@@gtavgraphicsdemo6987 any diesel engine from volkswagen is worse
@@erikh1041 are you srs 🤣🤣🤣 tdi are fucking reliable, only adblue is messy
The car computer said " It's cold as hell! Please stand by! ".
The sportage sounds like its dying 😂
Kinda concerned it sounded more like lack of oil pressure than a struggling cold start 😅
He doesn’t apply any gas, that’s why… idk why he’s letting it idle
i know right . its like nooo . i dont want to run today .. hahahahaaa
KIAs are simply junk
@Jannis N do you live in that weather brother.
Ahhh so cold you can hear the engine turning without oil moving between…
Harder for older indirect injection engines like the Benz at 7.00 with pre chambers.
Not necessarily.
The company Mercedes Vito started fine at -10 C with a broken common + wire for all glow plugs.
It came back repaired but I was not able to tell the difference.
Common rail or direct injection could be blocked by diesel wax because they have a finer spray.
The happiest moment in life is when your car engine starts in winter at around -30.
So entertaining and fascinating to watch! I do wonder if it would make a difference to perform the pre-heat phase more than once before actually starting the engine.
it makes a difference. i did 3 full cycles before starting my 2.0tdi in cold. started like it was +20 outside.
Makes a difference for sure. Some people get carried away with the number of cycles lol but it definitely helps
@@stewiegriffin88 Thanks for your answer. But wouldn’t it be the same to perform 5 cycles of say 10 seconds instead of just leaving the ignition on for the whole 50 seconds (while the pre-heater light has already turned off automatically during this time)? I hope I’m making some sense here 🤔
@@GerardHennemann when the pre-heater light turns off the coils stop heating so no. its better to do a few cycles than one full one. you heat the coil right up and it holds its temp good. I tested it with my friends because we were wondering why and what happens. so im not talking some bs.
What are you talking about ???
The glow plugs are working in cycle, around 40 seconds.
What do you see, when the icon is going off - the computer calculated that engine CAN be started.
There is no need for multiple on/off, it does not make any sense.
@@adi326
I don’t think I’ve ever heard a KIA sound like that in my life. Sounds like the poor engine was suffering lmao
Even a gasoline KIA sounds like this lol. Very poor engines and even worse driving cars.
That's probably just a bad spark plug. The engine is neglected. Kias are good cars if you don't treat them like a Subaru rustbucket.
@@one_step_sideways
spark plugs in a diesel engine?!!!
@@joycelima3051 idk, i haven't owned a diesel. or a car for that matter.
@@one_step_sideways Diesel engine ignition is caused by compression, which is why it is also more difficult to start when cold.
this is interesting, how do you pre heat glowplugs if you have start/stop button only?
If you press the button without depressing the brake pedal, you will only turn on the ignition. But I believe most modern cars won’t start until it has gone through the glow sequence, so when you press start there’ll be a few seconds delay before the starter tries to start the engine
They heat the glowplugs automatically.
Its an automatic Startup.
You have nothing more to do than push the startbutton.
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@@floriankruger5174 But sometimes you need to heat glowplugs 2-3 times in a row before ignition, and you cannot do that with start button. But, then again, you cannot do a lot of things to modern cars that helped with cold start in the past - no push starts, no putting gasoline in tank to combat gelling..
some cars start heating the glow plug when you unlock the doors
7:18 Mercedes-Benz W124 always starts, it just takes a bit👍
Skoda Octavia Scout 2016 here, and it also will start in these conditions except a few occations. I believe the battery is still the original one, so it doesn't surprise me if I need to use the battery booster a couple times during the winter(even though I have measured the voltage).
I've stopped using the webasto heater because it drains so much battery that you quickly end up with no power to start the car, and then what's the point. It also doesn't really warm up the inside, just slightly melting the ice on the front windshield. Way better to just start up the car and let it heat up that way so you won't have to deal with flattening the battery.
I got a Noco GB70 that will kick it back to life no issues even in -35C, and I also carry it with me any time I'm out driving in the coldest periods because you never know when you may need it(or someone else for that matter) Never rely on the car alone, because it sucks to sit there in -35C with a flat battery. Having a battery charger as well is pretty mandatory.
Man, am I glad I live in a place where we don't get negative temperatures, these engines were SUFFERING
Should've bought a petrol car and converted it to run on propane. Gas is used for the cold start and it switches to propane (which costs half as much to run on compared to petrol) once the engine reaches 70C. And it will reach it at -30C, no need to worry.
@@one_step_sideways propane? Not LPG? Wow I had never heard of that, how do you fill up? Or do you just swap the propane tank like in stoves?
@@goncaloferreira6863 Obviously propane is LPG, it comes in this liquid-gas form. An easy way to convert your car to propane is to use a toroidal tank to replace your spare tire because the pressure of a full tank is only like 125psi. The people in Russia who drive around for very long distances across the entire country and generally just use cars as proper tools buy stationwagons like the Lada Largus (that are modeled from the european-style delivery vehicles, because Lada was owned by Renault-Nissan similar to Dacia) and put the spare tire on the back like on an off-road Jeep Wrangler to put a big toroidal LPG tank under the trunk. That way you're not sacrificing any free space inside the car and are able to transport either a bunch of items, sleep inside the car (in case you're into this, or you're staying in a forest with wild animals or if it's very cold outside and a tent won't cut it, though you're only limited to 2 persons), or have 7 people in the car, because you can have a 7-seat option to carry your wife and 5 children, which is based and Christpilled. There are many LPG stations all over Russia now and thankfully it still saves a lot of money to run on propane because the normies either simply don't know about it or are scared to put it in their cars, especially the foreign makes of cars because of the stigma of LPG being dangerous to drive around with and because it greatly devalues your car on the used market partly because of this. Not that it matters because the city folk driving around in various SUVs alone and wasting time in traffic jams don't even drive around too often or too far (not to mention that they're afraid to push the cars hard because what if they crash it, they bought it on credit), and the actually experienced drivers that do, are all driving cars like the Lada Granta/Renault Logan/Datsun On-Do or the Lada Largus (with the better models being Lada Largus Cross for better off-road capabilities that are very much needed in remote Russian suburbs, if you wish to invest in it).
My dad has a Lada Granta since 2011 and he now converted it to run on LPG because he's got his 4th child and because the car is always being used now every day. Having two cars isn't actually needed, but a bigger car capable of transporting 7 persons all around the city every day is. The mentality of Russians is to use a car like an instrument that gets you places and is easy to fix and that's why the European folk doesn't appreciate Ladas much (they don't have vast untapped territories, and you can generally just bike around the city). And I would also like to have many children of my own before the end times hit and the antichrist comes, because that's what the jew fears.
@@one_step_sideways oh okay, I had never heard anyone refer to LPG as propane and that's why I was confused. I know quite a lot of people with cars converted to run on it and it's something that I haven't totally discarded either
@@goncaloferreira6863 Some cars also run on CNG (methane) which is even cheaper and even more eco-friendly, much more so than even LPG, but it requires a large, expensive and heavy cylindrical tank capable of handling stupidly high pressure (because it's all gas) and it only really is good for use in busses and trucks. It requires frequent refueling too. Though some taxi drivers convert the cars to run on methane because they don't need lots of space in the trunk or access to a spare tire, and that greatly improves not just efficiency, but also the cost to maintain the engine as there are way less contaminants (so oil change isn't needed nearly as frequently as it is on conventional cars) and overall the engine would be fine running on methane, though some engines do better with it than others. But the more important reason why more people don't install methane is because they lose 30% of the engine's horsepower. That means that the engines need to have at least 100hp to be viable to install methane, so lower power engines won't cut it. Again, taxi drivers don't require too much horsepower in the cities and they hardly have all 5 seats occupied by heavy passengers. So CNG is for the taxi and bus drivers that drive around for a living (it takes many more kilometers for the CNG conversion to pay off and start being profitable) and LPG is for the average Ivan.
The diesel engine works a lot w/inside temp of engine. The battery is more important to spin the pistons and to create the necessary temp. for diesel explosion. The quality of diesel is important. The preheating inside engine is important. The diesel engine is not made to start often. It is to work continuu. Quick start stuff is good ideea to start a diesel engine. Syntetic oil 0W must be used. Block heater for engine, pan heater for oil pan, battery heater, etc. can be used to start easy the engine. Do not force the starting engine on the very cold condition. Before to start create good contitions to start the engine. Good luck.
Kia starts like 70 year old tractor
That Sportage sounded lovely
Laguna 1.5 DCI is top!
That engine is legendary!
I can't get people saying that diesels do not sound great, it's awesome
Diesel sound is disgusting
Most smaller engines sounds bad, but some others sounds really good, like the om602
I love how virtually everything else struggles... and the BMW just fires right up.
this feels like ancient technology with electric cars just starting and being preheated already.
Never had any trouble starting my Kia Sorento in Polish winters ! It is 14 years old , and has been to Poland 32 times and back to England !
так у вас сколько зимой?😂😂 -15 есть???😂😂
Hello to everyone. One very important factor that we must take into account, is the quality of the fuel. That is another reason why some cars start easier and the engine keeps running and others need a second or third try.
and engine oil !!
@@mortenmerstrand5473 I totally agree with you.
@mesies5905 is why in the USA there is people that monitor and test the fuel sold at all station to ensure these places are selling proper fuels that are formulated to specific standards. Even this doesn't help.because corporations control all of this and the fuels quality is not as good here as in Europe 😊
Imagine you are in a deserted and cold place. At that moment, the car starting will make you happy.
I'm guessing that's why in some places they actually leave the diesel engine running indefinitely to keep it running and warm😮😮😮
That VW Toureg is so quiet!!
The Kia Sportage sounds like the diesel is waxing up
i think you are right
can't imagine it to be good for an engine to go through this
Oh sh*t, im sorry.
Obviously it's not good but it is often necessary
It's also impressive that electronics work that well with - 40°
Electronics generally like the cold, it's moisture they don't like. Batteries don't like the cold at all.
My old corolla 1997 E11 burns to the touch and it can be -30 degrees. Old cars are indestructible, newer ones already have problems
Fantastic :-) - the Pajero sounds like a lawn mover, my favourites: Land Cruiser, 320d, Touareg - surprised the Mercedes was struggling that much but it came through 🙂 (battery issue?)
That toyota fired up quickly
It’s a land cruiser so it probably won’t break. Speaking from experience 😅
Of course it did, it's Toyota!
At -35c The BMW once started, turns in such regular way!!! As the engine was already warm. I’m really surprised
Korean car can't start eternally🤣🤣
My car starts right away, even -30C. Once, -35C, it took maybe 3 seconds. but then it roared. It idles like 2k! Sounds like a lion while I let it warm up 2-3 minutes on idle. The computer is smart. When the RPM starts to drop to a reasonable 1200 or less (in cold weather, warm it's 600-700), then I'll engage the gears.
11:14 man that annoying chime would do my head in
CAPTAIN ENEMY TORPEDO IN THE WATER
0:27 You now, you normally start a diesel, after the sign of the glow plug has turned off...
True
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I dont live in a extreme cold weather zone but when you do, you buy gasoline cars, and you get cars that have the engine block heater, even my ford comes with that extra and i do not need it.
dizel araç -10 dereceden daha soğukta çalışabiliyorsa yakıtın kalitesinden dir. -8 de benim depodaki yakıt gres ya gibi olmuş.
Because where you got the fuel from didn't follow that additive mixing levels that are required for cold weather operations. Many countries enforce fuel quality standards for this reason. 😊
Mb 250/300d and laurel 2,8d also those vw t4 2.4 and 2.5tdi cars of my childhood 😢
cycle you ignition a few times and let the glow plugs get red hot!!!
im thnking the kia sportage just had to step on the throttle a little bit because more fuel would make a bigger explosion and it will push the pistons down and start it up easier. it works like that on my car because the battery is also a bit too weak for only rotating the key, i have to press the throttle for it to start up easily
the 1st clip guy didnt even wait for the glow plugs to warm, he was lucky to start it personally. but sounds a little sick indeed
A car should start and run in winter time and not talk to you! There is nothing so Reliable like an old Mercedes diesel
Corecct
yeah, Mercedes used to make very solid diesel engines many years ago
Looks like people don’t use/have winter diesel . My 20yo golf mk4 started perfectly at -30 using winter additives . And it looks like most have bad or worn batteries , judging from the hard cranking . 😢
The station should already have their fuel formulated correctly for the conditions. If not that should be reported to the proper agency for investigation before people's vehicles get messed up. 🙄
that freezing cold oil is going to take some time to actually circulate in such a cold start, I cant imagine the sort of wear you're putting on the engine with no preheat
Preheat how?
@@simd510 Electric block heater or fuel fired
@@oskich but block heater doesn't get the oil hot does it?
@@simd510 Mine heats the coolant that is circulated in the engine block by an electric pump. This makes the oil flow as well, and you can buy an extra contact heater for the oil pan if you live in really cold places.
@@oskich gotcha. Yea I have to make sure my oil gets heated because its for my tractor and it has some thick oil in it. 15w40
bro new cars berly starts while old cars are like we do not care
The main issue here is the battery.
Opt for an AGM and charge it weekly with a smart charger in such a climate
Some of these car doing crazy sound 🙈
you can help it by accelerating it to 1250 rmp if it doesnt hold its rpm.for first 30 seconds!
La verdad que entiendo el frío, pero sos un bestia que no sabe tratar a los gasoleros, hasta que el indicador de los precalentadores no se apaga no tenes que arrancar el auto!!! Tengo un polo diesel y después de que el rulo se apaga sigue calentando los precalentadores por 3 minutos!! Te quedas sin batería por poner y sacar de contacto tantas veces.... Y después le das arranque y no paras hasta que la batería queda muerta, tenés cosas que aprender
a miracle that the batteries can take it😅😄
usually you take the battery inside your home.
Waiting for the glow plug light to go out would help
Great content! Make them smoke! 😎
TH-cam recommended a video i watched 3 years ago 😂
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That Kia sportage was NOT happy =D
I'd be worried even a gas car struggling to start. Keep that battery on charge continuously in such temperatures.
Не правильно запускаете мотор. Зимой нужно выждать больше времени после того как погаснет лампочка накала, дабы свеча раскалилась докрасна и максимально( от 20 до 30 и более секунд в целом, в зависимости от древности мотора и свеч). Тогда запуск будет легче в разы.
Многие просто считают что если лампочка свечей погасла то и свечи отключились.
То есть достаточно одного включения зажигания, но ждать секунд 30 после погасания лампочки?
@@serega_orlov смотри, если все с в порядке со свечами и тд и тп, то да, достаточно. Если за авто не следить и там все менять надо, то, конечно, это не поможет
@@serega_orlov th-cam.com/video/59xxQZNOHjg/w-d-xo.html, посмотрите пример
Never understood gunning the engine especially in those temperatures...A steady flow on the accelerator is one thing...But to keep high revving it will eventually blow the engine
Yes it’s stupid and I see it too often, should be left to revs as low as possible
Baffles me in times like these how the starter can tell the exact moment the engine is about to spin itself in order to get out of the way
Load meter, ECU .... and i'm pretty sure it could be mechanically achievable aswell , by modifying the gear tooth so it would push the little gear backwards above a certain RPM.
@@kisspeteristvanit's all mechanical. Look up how a Bendix drive works, that's the most common type on car engines.
Do you mix the Diesel with additives, it should be like gel at -35 degrees? What kind of motor oil do you use?
No one mention the quality of diesel sold at stations which was problematic in winter 40 years ago ! You had to add 1liter of petrol to the gasoil when it was so cold.
Beim kia vielleicht mal das Licht beim Starten ausmachen
Car starts up: "awh, the pain..."
I knew that toyota would start no problem
Did you not suppose to wait until the glow plugs are ready?
i wonder why they dont have block heaters on all these cars to plug them into the outlet and they keep the motor at a war temp all the time
The W124 most likely does have a block heater, they just didn't use it for the video.
This was a Land Cruiser’s dream
Потому что это КИА)) 1.6 HDI в -30 с пол оборота...как будто летом...никогда таких проблем не было))
Просто все исправно должно быть, и не будет проблем.
I would have been out there 6 times during the night ,I do that any way when it gets to freezing down in the states
Peugeuot 406 2L . HDI. -26 заводил схватывала 2 раза на третий завёл. Дело было в Беларуси.
My record was starting a Peugeot 206 1.4HDi in -23°C . It started , but i had to crank it long 2 times (before ignition i did the preheat sequence 6-7 times i think), and on the 3rd it started , 20 seconds rattling and then OK . .Under -15 or so the led display gets really lazy :D . When it's over -10°C it always starts on the first try . We get maybe 2 months with nights around -10 -20.
Now i have a Renault laguna 3 with 2.0 DCi , the coldest was -11 so far , it started without skipping a beat . Funny thing is the renault has 2.5 times the mileage and seems like it starts more easy :D
-23 это не мороз😂😂
@Виталий-д2д7и then what do you think about 38 degrees in the summer ?
@ это очень жарко😅😅
наше лето было очень жаркое 30-35
@@Виталий-д2д7и :D . To me -23 is cold as fu** :D :D . But also the +38 is waay to hot . I guess i'm weak or something :))
@ Мне -15 уже холодно😂😂
Я имел ввиду что для машины исправной -23 это не мороз😅😅
shout out to all the starters In struggle 🙏🏼
Pushbutton in a diesel is a terrible idea.
Pushbutton is always a terrible idea
Toyota Land Cruiser King!
Land cruiser ❄💪
Cool Video 👍
Toyota is the best
REV REV REV DONT LET IT STALLLLL REV REV REV
Зачем запускать если ещё свеча не погасла..?
долболобы, сэр.
i am a little surprised not many people take the time to cover there cars in cold weather, just something to help aid the cars a little more
I never cover my car but i either use a webasto or block heater + interior heater if the car doesn't have webasto.
In russia even the cars seem to be rusky
dios como podeis aguantar ese frio!!!!
У меня старая калдина 98года, дизель 3-CE, заводилась в минус -32 с брелка. Просто нужно любить и уважать свой дизель, он всегда тебя порадует.
Privet i SPASIBO iz Romania! There's no reason for not to buy a diesel engined car!
Bro that Kia was screaming in pain 😢
When you want to scrap your engine, do everything what do that guy.
У меня 1.6D JK 1986 года Фольксваген запускается в любой мороз как летом, а тут современные автомобили еле еле крутят
i wonder how my miata would do in this conditions
it starts right up no problems every day in the winter
but never had -30
gas engines have fewer issues to start in cold temperatures.
@@silimarina. ye i know
VW Golf 4 1.9tdi startował po nocy, kiedy było -29 stopni - po 2 podgrzaniach świecami cylindrów - od pierwszego strzału! Na początku trochę "kulał" ale za chwilę było OK! A ten tu męczy się dość długo! 🤡
Polski, popo vollski. 😘
You should have a block heater
This is why diesels blow