Creator failed to point out that one of the challenges of large castings is they need to be made without the need for heat treating. Heat treating a large casting leads to warping, i.e., the potato chip effect, no two are the same. With the cooperation of a SpaceX metallurgical engineer Tesla developed their own aluminum alloy for casting that does not require heat treating. Also, in addition to the reduction in parts, there is a significant reduction in the number of robots required for welding stamped parts together.
@@Chad_Max On some in the US. Not on the ones made outside the US. Also, this part is under the skin. The Tesla in the US has a problem consistently and with quality making the car assembled, but the parts itself does not follow this problem.
They didn't mention that the aluminum cast rejects can be re-melted and shot again. You cannot do the same thing with steel and aluminum stamping, since the factory uses rolls of sheet steel and aluminum and does not have the capability to create another roll of metal, whereas they DO have the ability to melt down aluminum and re-use it.
Most videos that focus on technology from Tesla are positive. It's the videos that focus on the business and marketing aspects that are generally less positive.
@@jbbuzzable yup, the media is to blame. The reason is CNBC and others receive millions in advertising revenue from legacy car manufacturers. So don’t bite the hand feeding you and if possible make the one “Tesla” not buying advertisement suffer from an orchestrated negative campaign. Did you noticed we barely hear about recalls affecting Ford, GM, Jeep, Chrysler? Btw, most car reviewers do the same.
Most people don't know who Sandy Munro is, or insert other popular EV/Tesla people. Most people have never driven an EV yet. So many people don't understand the advantages because they haven't test driven one yet. Unfortunately, many of these people have formed opinions based on politics and media about EVs. And then they just parrot whatever negativity they hear (as if it were their own thought or experience).
Chapter 1 + 2, is for catchup. Chapter 3 is the news. Watch the whole video. It's true Tesla is now slowing down on Gigacasting, because of some downsides.
@@kenmore01 aluminum melts at a lower temp than steel,there are 10 yr old Ford pickups with aluminum bodies that look as the day they came out the factory and rusty GM steel pickups of the same year.
This process gives-rise to the $40,000 dent repair, we have seen in some vids (rivian being the most infamous one). I don’t know if they’re using gigacasting, but the reason why the dent repair was $40,000 is because, even for a fist sized dent next to the tailgate, they had to replace the full right side skin, bumper to bumper. This required full disassembly of all systems on that side of the vehicle …and there were only like five shops in the US that could even do it. The quote came back at $40,000. Painless dent repair guy who did the video did it for about five. It wasn’t factory-fresh, but 98% convincing. A decent trade off for $35k, or having your basically brand new truck totaled by a fist-sized dent.
lol umm, except that "$40k dent repair" was for Rivian, which doesn't use casting. It was also a bogus quote/very blind estimate that was actually repaired much cheaper (PDR etc)
@@AthleticHobo-br4qh You get dents in (exterior) BODY PANELS. Not (interior) CAST FRAME members! Castings also still have separate crush cans etc on them to absorb front/rear end impacts, w/o damaging the casting itself...
@@cgamiga Again, I am speaking only based on the information provided in the video I saw, and a Rivian driver...It's not a gigacasting, I realize...but the way I understand it, the entire side-skin of the car is one stamping (akin to a gigacasting, in that it is one ginormous piece. Hence the reason that to repair it "right" they wanted to disassemble that side of the vehicle and replace the whole side-skin. Which equalled megabucks, obviously. Even if they did go through with it, can you imagine the leaks, bumps-in-the-night, rattles and mis-alignment troubles that truck would have after having half it's soul sucked out?
Tesla hasn't announced any plans for a "single-piece cast underbody." This would be incompatible with the "unboxed" method they were striving for at the time. It was an incorrect report in the US that was a mistranslation of a Chinese article, which mentioned a "single-piece cast rear underbody." One missing word makes a huge difference.
Tesla gigacasting uses a new alloy that has a lower defect rate. Also many are finding repairing a casting isn't that difficult. Welding can work more often than people realise. Although replacing castings may be easier.
Welding cast materials is difficult, specialised, and costly to maintain the structural properties of the cast piece. Without preheating and correct post weld heat treatment welding cast materials is difficult - without taking into account warping or movement in the whole part during welding - especially large relatively thin cross section casts. On risk analysis replacement would be safer for the vehicle owner in a crash rather than welding, but this of course is expensive which is why cars with these large cast structures are written off instead of repaired.
When the Chinese benchmark a car they go to a Tesla car , not a legacy auto makers car. Two companies they go to are Caresoft and Munro Associates who does COST ANALYSIS to the nuts and bolts of a car, that includes the cost of labor and assembly.
Great point! Love it or hate it, Tesla is single handedly changing the traditional car manufacturing. And the traditional car makers are annoyed and don't want to change!
@@shobhitdixit991 So true, look at the differences between SpaceX and Boeing. Similar to car manufacturers, Musk was starting a catch up race. Traditional car makers already had infrastructure in place, those are 30-50 year investments. That is why Volvo slowly is moving to giga casting, but only for newer models because they have to setup a new production line anyway. Any production process has pro and cons. Besides when was the last time BMW called you to ask if you prefer smaller parts or large casting parts. People like Volk are the problem. They claim to think for their customers. The customer only cares about one thing, price. It is very much possible to replacing an entire underbody might be faster than replacing all individual parts. BYD is also using large casting techniques and it won't be long before Chinese car brands will starting flooding the American market with cheap cars, despite 100% tariffs put in place by the current administration to protect the big 3. Look at the issues Tesla is facing in selling a car without a dealer network. If traditional car companies don't start incorporating many techniques introduced (or made much more known), they will become the new Boeing and be obsolete in 20 to 30 years. The world is changing fast. We at the forefront of the 4th industrial revolution (robotics and AI). Henry Ford started the 2nd revolution with his assembly line. But those were very expensive to build, setup and maintain, so they were introduced slowly. The 3rd revolution came with computers which helped design (CAD), improved calculations and simulations. The 3rd revolution was faster than the 2nd because mainframes were still expensive, so administrative personal could still be taught how to work with computers. Look at how ChatGPT is changing how we work. Yes, it still has many faults, but it main introduction was only in fall 22. Less than two years ago. The rate at which AI is starting to replace low wage jobs is scary and question is if society can keep up. I'm the CEO of an IT firm and all my employees have a paid subscription to ChatGPT. Production output has almost doubled. They do have to check if the provided answers are correct, but they also have to do that if they get answers from Stack Overflow or Reddit. Tesla already wanted to employ many robots in early 2017, but that was too soon. However the vertical integration gamble of Tesla of building almost everything themselves was the main reason why market share of Tesla was still growing during the pandemic. They were hit less hard by the disrupted supply chain. And oh my god, who doesn't remember those first parallel landing of SpaceX. I don't like Musk on a personal level, but I have huge respect how he is changing the world with Tesla and SpaceX and is not afraid to do things differently. Sometimes it will back fire, but Musk has a pretty good track record.
Yeah... Tesla made a "deal with the devil" when it built its Shanghai factory with significant help and encouragement from the Chinese government... It basically saved the company from bankruptcy, but it gave the Chinese a front row seat to see how the next-generation of cars will be built.
it really isnt. Where do you want to put the huge heavy battery? On the roof? Obviously for a car you want to have your heavy weight low and central, a toddler could figure that.
@@otavongryf1379 I think you are misunderstanding. Other EV manufacturers use to build a normal car frame, with a traditional floor, and then left space for the battery in the floor. Tesla was the first to make the battery the entire structure of the floor. This means that the battery is load bearing, and actually acts as the vehicles main support structure. This was a completely new idea. Tesla has been doing it for years, and so far only Chinese EV's have copies the idea successfully.
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Well Tesla are still using the same casts to make the same dated looking cars- that's the problem. It's not that nobody thought of it before, it's just not practical if you want to actually update your body styles now and again.
@@user-jb2om7cm8m I prefer Tesla update the software after I bought it. Updates the internal hardware. Updates the computer. Updates the charging components. Updates the battery system. Updates the cameras. Updates the price. You just want to pay more for a body panel change and keep everything 10 years old inside. Have you seen the interior of a "NEW" car? They still have buttons. BUTTONS! Why? Can't they make it simpler? Easier to use? Tesla is doing it right. Almost everything can be done with just one cheap to replace, easy to use button.
@@davidbeppler3032 'cheap' being the operative word. Bolting a touch screen to the dash instead of real physical controls is obviously far cheaper, but far less convenient to use. Real controls and instruments also require a lot more design skill and experience that many EV startups lack. EV makers do this because it's very difficult to sell EVs at a profit. New normal cars can afford to put in more sophisticated things like physical controls and instruments- because they are not spending so much on expensive batteries, and there is a lot more demand for the cars.
When there is heavy damage to chassis on any car it’s an insurance write off. Can smaller dents and cracks be welded with this aluminium casting is the question.
@@rkan2 They have the other sub brands to compete with the S . But surely it cost you more for maintenance and can’t match the Model S performance 😂😂😂😂😂
@@raymondschembri5042 But there isn't a competitor from any VW brand. The A6/A8 would be the competitor as an EV. Porsche Taycan/Audi Etron and some of the SUVs could regarded as some, but not a direct one.
The problem with large casting is the cost of replacement. In the event of a car crash, having to replace a larger piece is far more expensive than the traditional smaller sections. This means repair prices for cars are rising a lot. The savings in manufacturing just gets passed on as an added expense to the consumer. And this causes insurance prices to rise as well. Thats an added monthly cost to the owner as well. Companies should try to be innovative in manufacturing as well as thinking of minimizing the cost to the owner.
If the damage is so severe that the gigacasting needs to be replaced, the other repair costs to the car has likely convinced the insurance company that it should be totaled.
I don’t know about in other places, but my tesla insurance is not expensive at all. And the price lowered after the first 6 months even after being in a small accident that needed the rear trunk and bumper replaced. It was other the other drivers fault so im sure that played a role. Insurance is literally Tesla’s own car insurance
Yea in collisions where it matters you won't have anyone attempting a repair outside those crazy russian channels where they hammer and pull every part of a car back in place. Its just totalled here no matter how its made.
Yes, and writing off a vehicle even for minor damage is a huge environmental impact because of the energy lost making a car that is now unusable but the energy required to recycle what can be or it ends up in landfill and more materials and energy are required to replace the vehicle with a new one. It is just so wasteful.
WRONG! What percentage of cars are even ever in an accident? What percentage of those are only fenders benders? What percentage are mid level collisions where the casting and other inner components are still absolutely fine. Those castings are solid and don't bend. Any accident severe enough to finally crack those castings is such that the car (especially a traditional car) would long be a total write-off anyway. The expense to insurance and the consumer is actually less, way less!
There was no specific mention about safety and impact absorption. The large castings have a propensity to fracture vs pressed metal parts that can deform and absorb energy.
If 2 contractors are doing the same work but one takes twice as many hours but accomplishes the same work which one is being cheaply made? You could say Teslas are being overpaid by consumers, but when you look at the specs of the vehicles most of the other manufacturers are coming up short. I was going to buy a used Audi Q8 Etron until I saw what horrible designs they had for cooling the front/rear motors leading to high motor failure rates (see Audi forums), even on new 2024 models. I'd go with the company that has a better engineered product that has a longer MTBF than the standard warranty.
Sheet steel scrap needs to be shipped back to a steel foundry and goes into the creation of new steel. The failed aluminum casting and scrap can go right back into the factories aluminum melting furnace. This is a huge savings. Also stamped steel results in a significant amount of scrap even with 0% failures.
Half hour news program on Tesla Gigacasting and they talk to Volvo but not Tesla? I like how they quote Reuters instead of picking up the phone and calling Tesla. They just had explained why the "unboxed" process wouldn't work with a total Gigacast of the entire floor of the car and then show the Reuters headline saying Tesla was "abandoning" that very thing they just explained wouldn't work.
Integrating the parts is very cost effective idea like, we do with plastic injection molding. Automotive companies need to identify cost effective Designs in terms of tooling/ material to produce cheaper cars. This is one of example, as we learned already traditional casting parts are have some manufacturing defects and high scrap rate.I believe tesla have already implemented some advancements to overcome such issues in this manufacturing which are not completely disclosed in this video. But one of the advantage with casting is recyclability, the scrap can be reused , where as stamped process scrap can’t directly reused.
@@jbbuzzable Lol, no. All Tesla's have insurance. But Tesla offers their own insurance for Tesla vehicles. Not everyone goes with Tesla insurance, but it forces other providers to keep their rates competitive. Otherwise, every Tesla user would use Tesla insurance. Therefore, this helps keep isnurance on Tesla vehicles from getting too high.
Ahhhh, shall I call you mister FUD? You want to read up on that and you will notice that this BS was pushed to bad mouth tesla, now all of them are buying the machines to do giga castings, I wonder why? /S
@@wisemanofsorts6068 if you bothered to watch, only Volvo did, other companies are investigating it, and the latest research indicates it may actually be heavier than traditional alternatives. And there's no myth about the exorbitant costs to fix modern cars, especially Teslas. Tesla had to create their own insurance company because tradional insurers refused to insure Teslas outright because of the cost of repairs
I've never understood why enhancements like this are discussed only within the use case of EVs when they could theoretically be used for ICE vehicles as well.
Elon pushed the envelope on castings just like he did on EVs. Legacy ICE brands could have done it before Tesla but they chose to do 5% better every 6 years because customers accepted it. Now Elon has pushed Legacy to grow more than 5% and they have growing pains now. If Elon didn't exist, they would have no reason to go EV, or castings, etc.
@kylereese4822 EVs all have oil in their gear reduction boxes and final drive units some even have oil filters , all this has to be replace during maintenance. Has for the rest of your comments ,you Will find out the hard way
The short clip at 00:26 is how tesla is planning to produce their vehicles in the very near future. Instead of it being on a production line and slowly assembled as it goes down, Tesla wants to split each major piece of the car into its own production area. Once all the pieces are made, it goes to final assembly where the whole car is then put together like legos. This increases how many employees can work at each station, and means that if there is a problem or delay, it doesn’t stop all the other parts from being made. The other stations can still keep on working
@@shaider1982 nope, its not. I did a bad job explaining it so if you want to learn more I think tesla has a video where their lead engineer explains it
I've sold all my gas cars and only run three Teslas and a Porsche GT4. The best combination. You can't beat EVs for daily driving. Especially with off-grid solar. Superior in everyway
@@marylandterpz So only good for 95% of all drives the average american does? Yeah, sounds really horrible. I'll deal with the terror during a vacation I financed with all my fuel and maintenance savings.
And how many body shops around the country will have the tools and skill to replace the large castings after a collision. Tesla says they can repair them cheaper but I'll guess most shops would say that's a lie. Car manufacturers don't design cars to be repaired easily.
EVs will becoming truly throw-way car , including Tesla. If this happens insurance will go through the Roof . EVs are very cheaply make, and Tesla is leading the way to cheap ,low quality, poorly make cars
EVs last at least twice as long as gas cars, on average. It’s gas cars that are disposable, after nickel and diming the owner as it’s 2000+ parts start breaking down over time.
That’s why Teslas are basically totaled by a fender bender. Either that or they cost a fortune to insure and repair because instead of replacing just a couple of parts, you’re replacing the entire front or rear end.
the only problem is gigacasting makes any semi-major wreck a fully total job. There's almost no fixing a gigacasting. Smallish impacts turn into structural damage.
WRONG! Those castings are solid. The type of impact that it would take to damage or crack that casting is such that the car would be a total write-off anyway. That same impact on a traditional care would be obliterated and a write-off anyway as well. Everything in the outer shell around it can be removed and replaced at usual. With traditional cars the frame or chassis gets bent and that results in write-offs or very expensive to repair, rarely so with Tesla's. No additional costs to insurance or consumer. In fact costs are less, way less!
You missed on the unboxed method of manufacturing. It requires drive-by-wire, brake-by-wire, etc. There won't be any wiring harness like a traditional car but all the nodes will be connected to an ethernet. The Cybertruck already has drive-by-wire and a 48 volt low-voltage bus but the next gen car will take that even further, using nodes controlling things.
Tesla's approach with giga casting feels like a nod to Henry Ford's assembly line revolution. It's about time we see a similar leap in efficiency and flexibility in car manufacturing.
The name 'Giga Press' was first coined by Riccardo Ferrario, the IDRA Group's general manager. The IDRA group introduced the Giga Press in late 2018. It has been in their catalog since then.
Business as usual. When you work for a big company and come up with an idea or design, the company owns that, not the individual. When you come up with a thought, you don't credit an individual brain cell.
20 years R&D Injection and sheet-metal for design & manufacture specialist here. 1 - Smartest thing said here is interchangeability "inserts", interesting if they could do 'undercuts' and 'unscrewing cores'. 2 - The elephant in the room is molten alu composition is very different to 7xxx alu. modulus and still need 'post machining'. 3 - Dumbest question is not whether it can replace sheet-metal or avoid 'voids' or if it can do weight saving or high srappage rate at low yield (every new production R&D line start out low). It about if it can benefit with the entire system as a whole, if the weight penalty vs initial setup cost vs time saving assembly to justify and outweighs traditional manufacturing technique for the masses in the long run. But the conclusion is correct, "jury is out" until it is actually fully proven to the world. Right now it a very large prototype project.
Tesla has their own custom Alumnium that doesn't need any special treatment. It is a special material that is designed so that you just cast once and it is ready for use. Also can't call giga casting a "Prototype" when tesla has already made millions of vehicles with the process. They have already confirmed it is lighter, cheaper, and easier to repair. Note that "scrap" with gigacasting is just remelting the defect part and using it again in the next mold. That is another benefit of an alloy that is a just a single step of cast and use. It means it can just be melted and used again. No multi step processing for scrap reuse.
In Thailand car bodies are cheap to repair, we have a lot of 3rd party body shop to repair car bodies. But recently when a Tesla clash, people wonder why repair cost so high. We found that the car body part have to be replace, unbalbe to repair.
For an oil importing country, choosing between an ICE and an EV car is like choosing between a land-line phone (ICE car) and smart cell phone (EV car). The largest car market in the world is an oil importing country (as are 3 of the top 4 car markets). Plus, EVs will continue to get cheaper.
I'm not interested in what other western EV manufacturers have to say on this matter. I'm interested in knowing what Chinese EV manufacturers have to say as they're the only realistic competition for Tesla.
What are you talking about? Metal castings have been used for thousands of years. If a cast part breaks, you simply melt down the broken part and recast it. Recycling before it was called ‘recycle’ since 4000 bc
You clearly didn't watch the video. The repairability is better than standard parts as they can be custom cut and patched in with stronger results than old bent steel than is permanently weaker
If this becomes standard, cars will be disposable after an accident. No one will be able to afford the replacement cast section. Even if the cast section is made affordable, the labor to disassemble an entire vehicle to replace the cast section AND do the required body work will be insane. Insurance is already expensive, this will only make it more expensive.
The traditional automobile manufacturers who remain stagnant or even revert to internal combustion engine (ICE) cars are likely to face bankruptcy and eventual disappearance, similar to the fate experienced by Nokia and BlackBerry in the past.
I think we will see some mergers in the next decade, the cost of production will only keep getting higher, not to mention fully transitioning to making EVs
EV has about half the parts count of a gas car, but yet these EVs cost 2 to 5 times as much.?? Someone is making a huge profit on these simple and cheaply built cars. On top of that Ev's also have their own type of pollution ( gases from Lithium or Ultium batteries, including other specialized automotive grade batteries) and are known to expel highly toxic gases both when charging and discharging now this will add to our already polluted air. On top of that, the total operating cost of these EV's is extremely high in the long run. ... No thanks, I'll pass ... I don't want to add to the problem by adding even more toxins to the environment.
EVs are expensive because batteries are. Batteries are expensive because they are relatively new and research into this type of automotive use was quite low for a long time. Lithium-ion batteries were invented in 1976 vs 1886 for gasoline powered cars, so a lot of time to optimize and make production cheaper. Also these batteries do not produce gasses, unless they are damaged. ICE vehicles produce more gasses, they literately produce pollution when running. And finally EVs are generally cheaper over their lifespan compared to an ICE, they have a lot less moving parts, they do not produce explosions hundreds of times a second, so maintenance is a lot cheaper. Also electricity is cheaper than gas, especially when you charge at home and during hours that electricity is the cheapest. Though EVs are not better in all use cases, mainly large vehicles, but that comes down to my first point, not enough research to make batteries more power dense and use cheaper materials. Btw most trains are EVs and those that aren't are mostly hybrids.
@@craftbox9276 the problem is people aren't willing to pay more for that, this is still a cost issue, even if they're interested in EV, they still go for hybrids instead, it's easy to say EV is cheaper in the long run, but buyers don't care about that comparison, they want the value for the car they're getting
Sounds to me like car manufactures are doing what computer companies did a few years ago when they started incorporating components as part of the motherboard, in order to reduce their cost. Good luck trying to fix them!
Exactly just means Tesla have pushed the price back onto consumers through car insurance prices. Either way us consumers are getting shafted that's why you should check all costs before committing to a large purchase. I wanted a Tesla, but I realised the cost of Insurance in the UK for a Tesla is so high I'm best going with a different car overall even if the other car costs a bit more than a Tesla
If your crash is big enough to deform the casting your insurance would have probably written off an equivalently sizable impact in a more traditional car anyway.
For collisions the casted pieces are far stronger and so Teslas save more lives than almost any car, so this is maybe the highest value to an owner. The casted pieces can endure a lot more pressure before it dents than an assembled structure that will give way usually at the point of the spot weld. Tesla is a smart car so with FSD it will "not" have so many collisions as FSD doesn't get drunk, get high, get emotional, have a heart attack or play with the phone.
Vehicle frame is stronger too, with the unit body molding manufacturing technique. There was a case that a Tesla fell from a California cliff and all four occupants survived.
Filling castings and casting designs has now been improved with the use of A.I. It uses computer aided flow rates with cooling rates. To have the most effective casting with the least amount of flow traps (flaws).
one bumper bender and the whole car is totaled. I'll be staying away with any cars with gigacasting. only one benefit from this is the auto makers. Expect the insurance rates to doubled once this evolution is in full motion. How much cheaper the car needs to get to make consumer benefit from this?
Using single castings instead of multiple welds increases structural rigidity (compressive and standing loading forces). So it may cost more for the car to be repaired or be written off at a high rates but that 4 inches of less cabin penetration during a side impact is the difference between eating from a feeding tube the rest of your life or leaving the hospital after 4 hours. There is a cost to everything. Decreased repairability at times, increased safety at times. A "bumper bender" won't total a car though unless it's a Fisher Price brand. If you're totaling a unibody frame vehicle with enough damage to significantly damage the casting more than the residual value of vehicle it would most likely have been totaled by a conventionally welded vehicle. Labor isn't getting any cheaper. But to your point the worst of both worlds would be a car that doesn't offer any additional safety and costs more to repair.
@@Tokamak3.1415 That might be how the auto makers will advertised it. but why don't we all drive semi-trailer for commute if your take is safety over everything. Giga casting auto makers will show how a car is safer when it's hit with a non giga casting car. But is it that much safer if most cars are structured the same way? cars will be hit with much more "structural rigidity" during side impacts
9:22 one big casting would go against unboxed process. It lends itself to maybe 4 castings that get bolted together at the end. Tesla was also dialing down the risk a bit making sure they can make the car before they go all out. Scrp rates only cost Tesla time mainly because they can melt the casting and try again. Stamping they can't remelt and they only get pennies on the dollar for recycling that material.
Sure, the usual BS! For starters, aluminium is much more expensive than steel. Repairing vehicles in aluminium is extremely costly. It is NOT going to bring down any prices, that's for sure.
Maybe and maybe not. Depends on what needs replacement. You could also design it for ease of repair...it would depend on the manufacturer. Having many smaller parts (as per traditional manufacturing) doesn't mean it is better...it could still cost a lot and a lot more knowledge, tools and resources required. When there is enough advancement in gigacasting and design...people will learn the best way to use this new tech and then things will be even better. Give it a fair go.
NO! Those castings are solid. The type of impact that it would take to damage or crack that casting is such that the car would be a total write-off anyway. That same impact on a traditional care would be obliterated and a write-off anyway as well. No additional costs to insurance or consumer. In fact costs are less, way less!
Another HUGE innovation coming in Tesla’s manufacturing is the removal of the CAN-bus. This means instead of hundreds of wires worming their way through and across the vehicle, there are controllers at every important part, which get connected together by ribbon cables.
Yup, they literally save kilometers of wiring and kilos of weight. They also combine a lot of controllers into one larger controller for each section of a car.
Q: Why did they not mention that GM has already started megacasting with the Cadillac Celestiq? A: because they don't know about it. and really GM's already employed LARGE castings in their Gas vehicles. it's already used in the Alpha Chassis which underpinned the 6G Camaro way back in 2016 (which is now already out of production) and both the Cadillac CTS and CT5. and it's used even MORE EXTENSIVELY starting in the 2020 Corvette C8... GM has long produced these parts at their Bedford Casting Operation in Bedford Indiana, so it's "old hat" as far as their concerned and NOT something they would ever think they needed to "crow about" like a Start-Up operation who's "baby young to the world" of manufacturing.
GM did aluminum casting previously. That’s nothing new. Lots of products use casting. MEGAcasting was used on the 2024 Celestiq, years after Tesla. You may or may not like Tesla but please don’t blatantly lie.
@@juliahello6673 re: "You may or may not like Tesla but please don’t blatantly lie." you may LOVE Tesla (and desire to give Elon hand release) but please stop lying to keep the Stock from going in the toilet. the Robo-Taxi's not coming in August, which surprises NO ONE.
Wow, CNBC puts politics aside to praise Tesla. Hope other outlets follow suit. We should be fair to anyone regardless his/ her own opinions. Tesla is the best company on earth, not only with cars but also with AI, robotics, power storages and other technologies
I would think a simple fender bender in one of these cars could total it. I would say one of the biggest issues for EVs right now is lack of places that service them, not to mention charge them. Many would have to have their cars towed hundreds of miles for even a moderate repair and wait a long time to get it back. Most seem to have both types of vehicles just in case. They are still not a viable option for the average car buyer.
You charge an EV at home though ? And service that an EV requires is at most washer fluid top off. If you need to service an EV in a shop, well then, congrats on surviving a car crash.
Creator failed to point out that one of the challenges of large castings is they need to be made without the need for heat treating. Heat treating a large casting leads to warping, i.e., the potato chip effect, no two are the same. With the cooperation of a SpaceX metallurgical engineer Tesla developed their own aluminum alloy for casting that does not require heat treating. Also, in addition to the reduction in parts, there is a significant reduction in the number of robots required for welding stamped parts together.
And yet the build quality sucks…
@@Chad_Max Haters will Hate 😎
@@Chad_Max I've owned a Model 3 and currently a Model Y. Build quality has been excellent on both.
@@Chad_Max On some in the US. Not on the ones made outside the US. Also, this part is under the skin. The Tesla in the US has a problem consistently and with quality making the car assembled, but the parts itself does not follow this problem.
@@Chad_Max Sandy Munro says the quality matches legacy autos and so does CareSoft they do Benchmarking analysis .legacy auto is fuked
They didn't mention that the aluminum cast rejects can be re-melted and shot again. You cannot do the same thing with steel and aluminum stamping, since the factory uses rolls of sheet steel and aluminum and does not have the capability to create another roll of metal, whereas they DO have the ability to melt down aluminum and re-use it.
A positive Tesla video😲, oh my times have changed
Well it’s about its engineering, not its CEO.
@@jermgat least CNBC forgot about politics this time
@@JaceTran cnbc was always positive on tesla.
Most videos that focus on technology from Tesla are positive. It's the videos that focus on the business and marketing aspects that are generally less positive.
The light bulb has slowly lit up at CNBC, what retail investors saw ten years ago, CNBC is just starting to realize.
Weird that CNBC haven’t made this video the last 2-3 years because for Tesla this is oooooold news.
I would say it’s more pushing past 5 years old news.
To some people this is old news, but many don't have a clue.
@@jbbuzzable yup, the media is to blame.
The reason is CNBC and others receive millions in advertising revenue from legacy car manufacturers.
So don’t bite the hand feeding you and if possible make the one “Tesla” not buying advertisement suffer from an orchestrated negative campaign.
Did you noticed we barely hear about recalls affecting Ford, GM, Jeep, Chrysler?
Btw, most car reviewers do the same.
Most people don't know who Sandy Munro is, or insert other popular EV/Tesla people. Most people have never driven an EV yet. So many people don't understand the advantages because they haven't test driven one yet. Unfortunately, many of these people have formed opinions based on politics and media about EVs. And then they just parrot whatever negativity they hear (as if it were their own thought or experience).
Chapter 1 + 2, is for catchup. Chapter 3 is the news. Watch the whole video. It's true Tesla is now slowing down on Gigacasting, because of some downsides.
This video fail to tell you that the scrap pieces can be reused as molten metal. It’s not all doom and gloom on the scraps.
That's all metal in a car
True, but it costs extra to re-melt it and lower yield.
Indeed we know how casting works. 😅
@@kenmore01 I'm sure you have to melt steel scraps too, 😂
@@kenmore01 aluminum melts at a lower temp than steel,there are 10 yr old Ford pickups with aluminum bodies that look as the day they came out the factory and rusty GM steel pickups of the same year.
This process gives-rise to the $40,000 dent repair, we have seen in some vids (rivian being the most infamous one).
I don’t know if they’re using gigacasting, but the reason why the dent repair was $40,000 is because, even for a fist sized dent next to the tailgate, they had to replace the full right side skin, bumper to bumper.
This required full disassembly of all systems on that side of the vehicle …and there were only like five shops in the US that could even do it.
The quote came back at $40,000. Painless dent repair guy who did the video did it for about five.
It wasn’t factory-fresh, but 98% convincing. A decent trade off for $35k, or having your basically brand new truck totaled by a fist-sized dent.
lol umm, except that "$40k dent repair" was for Rivian, which doesn't use casting. It was also a bogus quote/very blind estimate that was actually repaired much cheaper (PDR etc)
His logic still stands that repairing dents in gigacasts would naturally be much more expensive to fix.
@@AthleticHobo-br4qh You get dents in (exterior) BODY PANELS. Not (interior) CAST FRAME members!
Castings also still have separate crush cans etc on them to absorb front/rear end impacts, w/o damaging the casting itself...
@@cgamiga Again, I am speaking only based on the information provided in the video I saw, and a Rivian driver...It's not a gigacasting, I realize...but the way I understand it, the entire side-skin of the car is one stamping (akin to a gigacasting, in that it is one ginormous piece.
Hence the reason that to repair it "right" they wanted to disassemble that side of the vehicle and replace the whole side-skin. Which equalled megabucks, obviously.
Even if they did go through with it, can you imagine the leaks, bumps-in-the-night, rattles and mis-alignment troubles that truck would have after having half it's soul sucked out?
FALSE, you can't ever DENT a Gigacasting.
a impact had ZERO effect.
the crush cans are REPLACEABLE.
Can you gigacast a megachad?
But can a gigachad megacast the megachad?
Can a megachad gigacast a terachad?
No, you can only gigacast a gigachad or megacast a megachad
@@teoengchin thank you for clarifying
No the double chin always messes it up
Tesla hasn't announced any plans for a "single-piece cast underbody." This would be incompatible with the "unboxed" method they were striving for at the time. It was an incorrect report in the US that was a mistranslation of a Chinese article, which mentioned a "single-piece cast rear underbody." One missing word makes a huge difference.
Even i can see that Teslas quality control is Bad . Looks like very cheap components and panel gaps are numerous
that's FALSE in 2024.
Gigacasting allows for PERFECT alignment.
The casting company is idra group
Idra was 30% owned by the Intesa Sanpaolo Bank, with 70% of the remaining shares acquired by LK Machinery based in HK (aka Chinese)
Tesla gigacasting uses a new alloy that has a lower defect rate.
Also many are finding repairing a casting isn't that difficult. Welding can work more often than people realise. Although replacing castings may be easier.
If the damage extends to the gigacasting it is likely that there is enough damage to already total the car.
@@snaplashNo. Tesla designed castings to be repaired in 1/10th the time, at 1/3rd the cost of ICEbergs…😂
Welding cast materials is difficult, specialised, and costly to maintain the structural properties of the cast piece. Without preheating and correct post weld heat treatment welding cast materials is difficult - without taking into account warping or movement in the whole part during welding - especially large relatively thin cross section casts. On risk analysis replacement would be safer for the vehicle owner in a crash rather than welding, but this of course is expensive which is why cars with these large cast structures are written off instead of repaired.
@@jbbuzzable Did you see the video? Tesla can fix the casting in house.
@@regularjoegamer Of course. I'm just not sure how often this repair will be needed.
When the Chinese benchmark a car they go to a Tesla car , not a legacy auto makers car. Two companies they go to are Caresoft and Munro Associates who does COST ANALYSIS to the nuts and bolts of a car, that includes the cost of labor and assembly.
Great point! Love it or hate it, Tesla is single handedly changing the traditional car manufacturing. And the traditional car makers are annoyed and don't want to change!
Shout out to Sandy Munro! We still miss Cory though…
@@RayNLA we hope he is doing well @ Lucid.
@@shobhitdixit991 So true, look at the differences between SpaceX and Boeing. Similar to car manufacturers, Musk was starting a catch up race. Traditional car makers already had infrastructure in place, those are 30-50 year investments. That is why Volvo slowly is moving to giga casting, but only for newer models because they have to setup a new production line anyway.
Any production process has pro and cons. Besides when was the last time BMW called you to ask if you prefer smaller parts or large casting parts. People like Volk are the problem. They claim to think for their customers. The customer only cares about one thing, price. It is very much possible to replacing an entire underbody might be faster than replacing all individual parts. BYD is also using large casting techniques and it won't be long before Chinese car brands will starting flooding the American market with cheap cars, despite 100% tariffs put in place by the current administration to protect the big 3. Look at the issues Tesla is facing in selling a car without a dealer network.
If traditional car companies don't start incorporating many techniques introduced (or made much more known), they will become the new Boeing and be obsolete in 20 to 30 years. The world is changing fast. We at the forefront of the 4th industrial revolution (robotics and AI). Henry Ford started the 2nd revolution with his assembly line. But those were very expensive to build, setup and maintain, so they were introduced slowly. The 3rd revolution came with computers which helped design (CAD), improved calculations and simulations. The 3rd revolution was faster than the 2nd because mainframes were still expensive, so administrative personal could still be taught how to work with computers. Look at how ChatGPT is changing how we work. Yes, it still has many faults, but it main introduction was only in fall 22. Less than two years ago. The rate at which AI is starting to replace low wage jobs is scary and question is if society can keep up. I'm the CEO of an IT firm and all my employees have a paid subscription to ChatGPT. Production output has almost doubled. They do have to check if the provided answers are correct, but they also have to do that if they get answers from Stack Overflow or Reddit.
Tesla already wanted to employ many robots in early 2017, but that was too soon. However the vertical integration gamble of Tesla of building almost everything themselves was the main reason why market share of Tesla was still growing during the pandemic. They were hit less hard by the disrupted supply chain.
And oh my god, who doesn't remember those first parallel landing of SpaceX. I don't like Musk on a personal level, but I have huge respect how he is changing the world with Tesla and SpaceX and is not afraid to do things differently. Sometimes it will back fire, but Musk has a pretty good track record.
Yeah... Tesla made a "deal with the devil" when it built its Shanghai factory with significant help and encouragement from the Chinese government... It basically saved the company from bankruptcy, but it gave the Chinese a front row seat to see how the next-generation of cars will be built.
The casting and using the battery as the floor is genius.
You are welcome
Perfect to keep your feet warm when the batteries fail
it really isnt. Where do you want to put the huge heavy battery? On the roof? Obviously for a car you want to have your heavy weight low and central, a toddler could figure that.
@@otavongryf1379why do you assume OPs comment is sarcasm?
@@otavongryf1379 I think you are misunderstanding. Other EV manufacturers use to build a normal car frame, with a traditional floor, and then left space for the battery in the floor.
Tesla was the first to make the battery the entire structure of the floor. This means that the battery is load bearing, and actually acts as the vehicles main support structure. This was a completely new idea. Tesla has been doing it for years, and so far only Chinese EV's have copies the idea successfully.
Finch at 4ra is a masterstroke. Cricket fans like us can relate so much more!
insurance repairs are no-go. OVERALL costs including insurance is still too high
ZERO repair needed for Gigacasting.
they don't EVER dent.
crush cans are REPLACEABLE.
Got to admit, Finch's involvement in 4RA made me a regular. Can't miss out on his match insights!
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The Model 3 does not use Gigacastings for either the front or the rear assembly. Only the Model Y and CyberTruck.
You guys are like 5 years late with this story.
And there's no big bet. It's just working more effeciently. And it's not the only piece of the puzzle.
Well Tesla are still using the same casts to make the same dated looking cars- that's the problem. It's not that nobody thought of it before, it's just not practical if you want to actually update your body styles now and again.
@@user-jb2om7cm8m I prefer Tesla update the software after I bought it. Updates the internal hardware. Updates the computer. Updates the charging components. Updates the battery system. Updates the cameras. Updates the price.
You just want to pay more for a body panel change and keep everything 10 years old inside. Have you seen the interior of a "NEW" car? They still have buttons. BUTTONS! Why? Can't they make it simpler? Easier to use?
Tesla is doing it right. Almost everything can be done with just one cheap to replace, easy to use button.
@@davidbeppler3032 'cheap' being the operative word. Bolting a touch screen to the dash instead of real physical controls is obviously far cheaper, but far less convenient to use.
Real controls and instruments also require a lot more design skill and experience that many EV startups lack.
EV makers do this because it's very difficult to sell EVs at a profit. New normal cars can afford to put in more sophisticated things like physical controls and instruments- because they are not spending so much on expensive batteries, and there is a lot more demand for the cars.
They just got paid to burn Nio and hype Tesla… so now they are on a roll 😊
so just a crack on that one piece the entire section is damaged
yeah, just a crack leads to catastrophic failures in entire systems
They cut it off and put another piece on that area. They have cut off points. Also catastrophic damage owners usually buy new anyway.
same goes for any otther type of car. this parts are never dissasembled.
When there is heavy damage to chassis on any car it’s an insurance write off.
Can smaller dents and cracks be welded with this aluminium casting is the question.
@@michaelcoyne3700 Supposedly they can. But i assume the tech will be perfected until it works well. I mean that would be de bet.
Tesla has been using Gigacastings for a couple of years now and Germans are still busy arguing if it's a good choice or not.
I still remember every so called BIG BOY ridiculed Tesla's decision on Gigacastings. It is funny to see that the table has turned now. LOL
None of the German manufacturers have a competitor for the Model 3 yet, VW doesn't have a Model S competitor after 14 years :D
@@rkan2 They have the other sub brands to compete with the S . But surely it cost you more for maintenance and can’t match the Model S performance 😂😂😂😂😂
@@raymondschembri5042 But there isn't a competitor from any VW brand. The A6/A8 would be the competitor as an EV. Porsche Taycan/Audi Etron and some of the SUVs could regarded as some, but not a direct one.
Why tesla looks like s Porsche then or using aluminium like Audi did
Can't wait for the 5 year late video in 2029 about how Tesla is betting big on autonomy and how everyone else is just starting to try and copy them
fr lmao
🤣 Tesla is *FAR* behind Hyundai in autonomy.
@@JaySee5 bruh
@@JaySee5 lmaooooo. you clearly haven't tried FSD.
@@JaySee5 can Hyundai make an unprotected left hand turn? can it make a U turn? can it drive in a parking lot? can it even make a right turn? exactly.
The problem with large casting is the cost of replacement. In the event of a car crash, having to replace a larger piece is far more expensive than the traditional smaller sections. This means repair prices for cars are rising a lot. The savings in manufacturing just gets passed on as an added expense to the consumer. And this causes insurance prices to rise as well. Thats an added monthly cost to the owner as well. Companies should try to be innovative in manufacturing as well as thinking of minimizing the cost to the owner.
If the damage is so severe that the gigacasting needs to be replaced, the other repair costs to the car has likely convinced the insurance company that it should be totaled.
I don’t know about in other places, but my tesla insurance is not expensive at all. And the price lowered after the first 6 months even after being in a small accident that needed the rear trunk and bumper replaced. It was other the other drivers fault so im sure that played a role.
Insurance is literally Tesla’s own car insurance
Yea in collisions where it matters you won't have anyone attempting a repair outside those crazy russian channels where they hammer and pull every part of a car back in place. Its just totalled here no matter how its made.
Yes, and writing off a vehicle even for minor damage is a huge environmental impact because of the energy lost making a car that is now unusable but the energy required to recycle what can be or it ends up in landfill and more materials and energy are required to replace the vehicle with a new one. It is just so wasteful.
WRONG! What percentage of cars are even ever in an accident? What percentage of those are only fenders benders? What percentage are mid level collisions where the casting and other inner components are still absolutely fine. Those castings are solid and don't bend. Any accident severe enough to finally crack those castings is such that the car (especially a traditional car) would long be a total write-off anyway. The expense to insurance and the consumer is actually less, way less!
Insurance, insurance, insurance will go out of sight
All of this fancy tech and yet Tesla vomits out the Cyber Truck.
You may not like the looks or style of Cybertruck, but it's manufacturing techniques are actually some of the most advanced in the industry.
Over 2 millions pre orders. Billions in net profits is vomit? Only shallow people who think that.
And yet it's a piece of junk. I hope to have an electric vehicle some day but I'd never buy a Tesla.
There was no specific mention about safety and impact absorption. The large castings have a propensity to fracture vs pressed metal parts that can deform and absorb energy.
yes Tesla is very cheaply made. people are overpay for it.
If 2 contractors are doing the same work but one takes twice as many hours but accomplishes the same work which one is being cheaply made? You could say Teslas are being overpaid by consumers, but when you look at the specs of the vehicles most of the other manufacturers are coming up short. I was going to buy a used Audi Q8 Etron until I saw what horrible designs they had for cooling the front/rear motors leading to high motor failure rates (see Audi forums), even on new 2024 models. I'd go with the company that has a better engineered product that has a longer MTBF than the standard warranty.
Sheet steel scrap needs to be shipped back to a steel foundry and goes into the creation of new steel. The failed aluminum casting and scrap can go right back into the factories aluminum melting furnace. This is a huge savings. Also stamped steel results in a significant amount of scrap even with 0% failures.
I was about to correct him on that.. ingots are cheaper than sheet metal and yes you just cut up the failed casting and chuck it back in duh!
When the vehicle crashes you are gigafu*ked😂
Half hour news program on Tesla Gigacasting and they talk to Volvo but not Tesla? I like how they quote Reuters instead of picking up the phone and calling Tesla. They just had explained why the "unboxed" process wouldn't work with a total Gigacast of the entire floor of the car and then show the Reuters headline saying Tesla was "abandoning" that very thing they just explained wouldn't work.
Hahahahaha.... Its CNBS what did you expect.... they are a bunch of muppets.
Tesla problably didnt want to be a part of the program.
Integrating the parts is very cost effective idea like, we do with plastic injection molding. Automotive companies need to identify cost effective Designs in terms of tooling/ material to produce cheaper cars. This is one of example, as we learned already traditional casting parts are have some manufacturing defects and high scrap rate.I believe tesla have already implemented some advancements to overcome such issues in this manufacturing which are not completely disclosed in this video. But one of the advantage with casting is recyclability, the scrap can be reused , where as stamped process scrap can’t directly reused.
And then insurance will be too expensive for anyone to afford because the most minor accident will require totalling the car
Which is why Tesla manages insurance internally, and ensure rates are not too high.
So the millions of Teslas on the road have no insurance?
@@jbbuzzable Lol, no. All Tesla's have insurance. But Tesla offers their own insurance for Tesla vehicles. Not everyone goes with Tesla insurance, but it forces other providers to keep their rates competitive. Otherwise, every Tesla user would use Tesla insurance. Therefore, this helps keep isnurance on Tesla vehicles from getting too high.
Ahhhh, shall I call you mister FUD? You want to read up on that and you will notice that this BS was pushed to bad mouth tesla, now all of them are buying the machines to do giga castings, I wonder why? /S
@@wisemanofsorts6068 if you bothered to watch, only Volvo did, other companies are investigating it, and the latest research indicates it may actually be heavier than traditional alternatives. And there's no myth about the exorbitant costs to fix modern cars, especially Teslas. Tesla had to create their own insurance company because tradional insurers refused to insure Teslas outright because of the cost of repairs
CNBC should marketing these more! They are great.
I've never understood why enhancements like this are discussed only within the use case of EVs when they could theoretically be used for ICE vehicles as well.
Because Tesla. The first ones to do it at scale was Tesla. Now it's a discussion.
Because it's about stock promotion, not engineering advances. Think of it as a Ponzi scheme. The minute you stop getting new investors you're screwed.
Elon pushed the envelope on castings just like he did on EVs. Legacy ICE brands could have done it before Tesla but they chose to do 5% better every 6 years because customers accepted it. Now Elon has pushed Legacy to grow more than 5% and they have growing pains now. If Elon didn't exist, they would have no reason to go EV, or castings, etc.
@@annoyedok321 huh
@@fcv1967 amen brother. Hit the nail on the head.
Teslas are poorly made. We sold ours , cost too much to maintain and operate
Cap detected. They may be poorly made but they don't cost anything to maintain, why are you lying?
You are about to find out the hard way ,like thousands and thousands of anothers @@evg3nius
@@evg3nius we got rid of our Tesla money pit. They're very hard to sell used. Nobody wants old batteries
@@evg3nius Poorly made, means you spend money trying to correct the flaws... or worse fix the damage caused by the flaws..
@kylereese4822 EVs all have oil in their gear reduction boxes and final drive units some even have oil filters , all this has to be replace during maintenance. Has for the rest of your comments ,you Will find out the hard way
The short clip at 00:26 is how tesla is planning to produce their vehicles in the very near future. Instead of it being on a production line and slowly assembled as it goes down, Tesla wants to split each major piece of the car into its own production area. Once all the pieces are made, it goes to final assembly where the whole car is then put together like legos.
This increases how many employees can work at each station, and means that if there is a problem or delay, it doesn’t stop all the other parts from being made. The other stations can still keep on working
Isn't this being done in manufacturing? I mean it's the basis of lean production methods as a whole as pioneered by Toyota.
@@shaider1982 nope, its not.
I did a bad job explaining it so if you want to learn more I think tesla has a video where their lead engineer explains it
Winning IPL lottery on 4RBT is thrilling with Finch supporting 4ra adds to the fun.
I've sold all my gas cars and only run three Teslas and a Porsche GT4. The best combination. You can't beat EVs for daily driving. Especially with off-grid solar. Superior in everyway
Yep!
Also safety in crashes are the highest in the world.
Evs only good for low mile trips. Nobody wants to waste thousands of hours of their life just to charge
@@marylandterpz So only good for 95% of all drives the average american does? Yeah, sounds really horrible. I'll deal with the terror during a vacation I financed with all my fuel and maintenance savings.
Hi Will. Appreciate your rants.
/Fellow ranter
Gigacasting body parts are cheaper to make. however, minor collision damage can result in total loss, therefore higher insurance costs.
And how many body shops around the country will have the tools and skill to replace the large castings after a collision. Tesla says they can repair them cheaper but I'll guess most shops would say that's a lie. Car manufacturers don't design cars to be repaired easily.
@@samuelbutterworth4303 Tesla has it's own insurance service so the have vested interest in making repairs cheaper
Don’t matter you like Tesla or not, but the fact is they are leading auto industrial, and everyone will follow and copy.
@@TheClarkes-kd8be Mercedes was the first car
If it’s easier and faster to repair a Tesla, why is the insurance way higher than the regular cars?
Because most insurance companies have a prejudice against EVs and teslas. Tesla own insurance is quite cheap
EVs will becoming truly throw-way car , including Tesla. If this happens insurance will go through the Roof . EVs are very cheaply make, and Tesla is leading the way to cheap ,low quality, poorly make cars
Past data tells a different story. Tesla has been making cars for many years now.
@@jbbuzzableyes! And we know already they depreciate faster than they accelerate.
@Kashchey1 Incentives made resale value go down. A few years ago Teslas had the highest resale value of any vehicle.
EVs last at least twice as long as gas cars, on average. It’s gas cars that are disposable, after nickel and diming the owner as it’s 2000+ parts start breaking down over time.
That’s why Teslas are basically totaled by a fender bender. Either that or they cost a fortune to insure and repair because instead of replacing just a couple of parts, you’re replacing the entire front or rear end.
More expensive to repair
FALSE, zero repair needed.
@@markplott4820 a simple, millimeter damage to a cast. You will have to replace the whole cast.
@@jackbauer562 - NOPE , zero Damage.
even in IMPACT.
🥴 Its aluminum, not a bullet proof metal cast
the only problem is gigacasting makes any semi-major wreck a fully total job. There's almost no fixing a gigacasting. Smallish impacts turn into structural damage.
Thats so no true m8
WRONG! Those castings are solid. The type of impact that it would take to damage or crack that casting is such that the car would be a total write-off anyway. That same impact on a traditional care would be obliterated and a write-off anyway as well. Everything in the outer shell around it can be removed and replaced at usual. With traditional cars the frame or chassis gets bent and that results in write-offs or very expensive to repair, rarely so with Tesla's. No additional costs to insurance or consumer. In fact costs are less, way less!
Tesla has the worst build quality, have you seen the body panel gaps on their vehicles?
Very, very poor build
You missed on the unboxed method of manufacturing. It requires drive-by-wire, brake-by-wire, etc. There won't be any wiring harness like a traditional car but all the nodes will be connected to an ethernet. The Cybertruck already has drive-by-wire and a 48 volt low-voltage bus but the next gen car will take that even further, using nodes controlling things.
Tesla's approach with giga casting feels like a nod to Henry Ford's assembly line revolution. It's about time we see a similar leap in efficiency and flexibility in car manufacturing.
Until Musk is replaced by Tesla shareholders and board, I have no interest in stories about Tesla, and no interest in buying a Tesla.
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The name 'Giga Press' was first coined by Riccardo Ferrario, the IDRA Group's general manager. The IDRA group introduced the Giga Press in late 2018. It has been in their catalog since then.
This video is soo 4 years ago ....
Made in 🇺🇸. Proud.
Didn't Tesla cancel gigacasting efforts? Because it made no sense?
All the Model Y's are two piece cast. They only cancelled casting the entire vehicle.
Trusting my bets more at 4RBT now that Finch is in the squad. Feels like batting with a safety net!
There are over a thousand Teslas in the docks here in Australia that they can't give away, because Australians have realised they're rubbish.
Hahahahahahaha.....the force is weak in you Luke.
Over a thousand... omg, wow, unbelievable....
Mate, I don't think that's the scandal you think it is.
They never mention the actual people who come up with these ideas, only the company
Well those people do so while working for those companies. Which means that intellectual property belongs to the company.
It was Elon Musk who came up with the idea, when looking at a toy car.. ofcourse CNBC wouldn't want others to know
Business as usual. When you work for a big company and come up with an idea or design, the company owns that, not the individual. When you come up with a thought, you don't credit an individual brain cell.
@@nickns732 can still show them the respect of mentioning them
@@kenmore01 can still give them credit
20 years R&D Injection and sheet-metal for design & manufacture specialist here.
1 - Smartest thing said here is interchangeability "inserts", interesting if they could do 'undercuts' and 'unscrewing cores'.
2 - The elephant in the room is molten alu composition is very different to 7xxx alu. modulus and still need 'post machining'.
3 - Dumbest question is not whether it can replace sheet-metal or avoid 'voids' or if it can do weight saving or high srappage rate at low yield (every new production R&D line start out low). It about if it can benefit with the entire system as a whole, if the weight penalty vs initial setup cost vs time saving assembly to justify and outweighs traditional manufacturing technique for the masses in the long run.
But the conclusion is correct, "jury is out" until it is actually fully proven to the world. Right now it a very large prototype project.
Tesla has their own custom Alumnium that doesn't need any special treatment. It is a special material that is designed so that you just cast once and it is ready for use.
Also can't call giga casting a "Prototype" when tesla has already made millions of vehicles with the process. They have already confirmed it is lighter, cheaper, and easier to repair.
Note that "scrap" with gigacasting is just remelting the defect part and using it again in the next mold.
That is another benefit of an alloy that is a just a single step of cast and use. It means it can just be melted and used again. No multi step processing for scrap reuse.
In Thailand car bodies are cheap to repair, we have a lot of 3rd party body shop to repair car bodies.
But recently when a Tesla clash, people wonder why repair cost so high.
We found that the car body part have to be replace, unbalbe to repair.
This video failed to explain when cars get those minor fender benders, the cast cannot be repaired and the entire car will be declared total.
Why would the cast be affected from a minor fender bender? Makes zero sense so that's maybe the reason they didn't mention it.
If you damage a gigacasting in a car crash, then you are lucky to survive that
For an oil importing country, choosing between an ICE and an EV car is like choosing between a land-line phone (ICE car) and smart cell phone (EV car).
The largest car market in the world is an oil importing country (as are 3 of the top 4 car markets). Plus, EVs will continue to get cheaper.
Giga Casting = Giga Repair Bills.
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Everybody wants to sell expensive cars with cheap materials
I'm not interested in what other western EV manufacturers have to say on this matter. I'm interested in knowing what Chinese EV manufacturers have to say as they're the only realistic competition for Tesla.
The already said something. by simply copying gigacasting. while traditional manufacturers wasted their time presuming they had something superior
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Note that they interviewed Volvo Cars, almost implying that Volvo was European when it has been Chinese for a decade. (Geely)
And when the cars are in an accident the whole car is totaled because the parts cant be replaced
No.
The problem is that the frame is completely not repairable.
Not if you ban human drivers.
CNBS is 5 years late with this video.
very well said. give credit where it's due.
......and have they checked the scrappage/insurance rate since ?
Now they push... Watch the stock. Moon time
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For me the biggest issue is repairability. I simply don't trust castings, and likely never will.
What are you talking about? Metal castings have been used for thousands of years. If a cast part breaks, you simply melt down the broken part and recast it. Recycling before it was called ‘recycle’ since 4000 bc
@@evildrizzt1 If I pay thousands of dollars for a car, I'm NOT interested in "recycling" it, I want to be able to REPAIR it!
I hope this guy doesn’t find out about 1930s mills, lathes, and power hammers which have been refurbished and are still in use today.
You clearly didn't watch the video.
The repairability is better than standard parts as they can be custom cut and patched in with stronger results than old bent steel than is permanently weaker
@@PizzaMan5000 so you're saying any panel beater down the road able to fix & patch damaged aluminum cast sections ?
Ev are a joke
Musk is selfdestructing and taking Tesla with him
In the event of an accident = total loss.
Wrong
@@juliahello6673 what do I know right?
Betting just one one technology is bog risk, automakers should research different techniques of making cars in the future.
Great video ❤❤
If this becomes standard, cars will be disposable after an accident. No one will be able to afford the replacement cast section. Even if the cast section is made affordable, the labor to disassemble an entire vehicle to replace the cast section AND do the required body work will be insane. Insurance is already expensive, this will only make it more expensive.
Its just like any other modern car. Once you need to replace the subframe its deemed totaled.
The traditional automobile manufacturers who remain stagnant or even revert to internal combustion engine (ICE) cars are likely to face bankruptcy and eventual disappearance, similar to the fate experienced by Nokia and BlackBerry in the past.
I think we will see some mergers in the next decade, the cost of production will only keep getting higher, not to mention fully transitioning to making EVs
To produce Aluminium, cost insane amounts of electric energy!
EV has about half the parts count of a gas car, but yet these EVs cost 2 to 5 times as much.?? Someone is making a huge profit on these simple and cheaply built cars. On top of that Ev's also have their own type of pollution ( gases from Lithium or Ultium batteries, including other specialized automotive grade batteries) and are known to expel highly toxic gases both when charging and discharging now this will add to our already polluted air. On top of that, the total operating cost of these EV's is extremely high in the long run. ... No thanks, I'll pass ... I don't want to add to the problem by adding even more toxins to the environment.
EVs are expensive because batteries are. Batteries are expensive because they are relatively new and research into this type of automotive use was quite low for a long time. Lithium-ion batteries were invented in 1976 vs 1886 for gasoline powered cars, so a lot of time to optimize and make production cheaper. Also these batteries do not produce gasses, unless they are damaged. ICE vehicles produce more gasses, they literately produce pollution when running. And finally EVs are generally cheaper over their lifespan compared to an ICE, they have a lot less moving parts, they do not produce explosions hundreds of times a second, so maintenance is a lot cheaper. Also electricity is cheaper than gas, especially when you charge at home and during hours that electricity is the cheapest. Though EVs are not better in all use cases, mainly large vehicles, but that comes down to my first point, not enough research to make batteries more power dense and use cheaper materials. Btw most trains are EVs and those that aren't are mostly hybrids.
@@craftbox9276 the problem is people aren't willing to pay more for that, this is still a cost issue, even if they're interested in EV, they still go for hybrids instead, it's easy to say EV is cheaper in the long run, but buyers don't care about that comparison, they want the value for the car they're getting
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One word pie in the sky
Sounds to me like car manufactures are doing what computer companies did a few years ago when they started incorporating components as part of the motherboard, in order to reduce their cost. Good luck trying to fix them!
I have only once had such an issue, and that was solved by just buying a separate networking card... :)
the problem with casting such large pieces is when the car gets into a crash how will the part get replaced?
That's the neat part, you will not
they weld in there is a line drawn where to cut behind that line the whole thing gets changed but at that much force its bend anyway
Exactly just means Tesla have pushed the price back onto consumers through car insurance prices. Either way us consumers are getting shafted that's why you should check all costs before committing to a large purchase. I wanted a Tesla, but I realised the cost of Insurance in the UK for a Tesla is so high I'm best going with a different car overall even if the other car costs a bit more than a Tesla
If your crash is big enough to deform the casting your insurance would have probably written off an equivalently sizable impact in a more traditional car anyway.
You just cut out a new part and patch it in. It is currently being done cheaper than standard welded parts
For collisions the casted pieces are far stronger and so Teslas save more lives than almost any car, so this is maybe the highest value to an owner. The casted pieces can endure a lot more pressure before it dents than an assembled structure that will give way usually at the point of the spot weld. Tesla is a smart car so with FSD it will "not" have so many collisions as FSD doesn't get drunk, get high, get emotional, have a heart attack or play with the phone.
Vehicle frame is stronger too, with the unit body molding manufacturing technique. There was a case that a Tesla fell from a California cliff and all four occupants survived.
Filling castings and casting designs has now been improved with the use of A.I. It uses computer aided flow rates with cooling rates. To have the most effective casting with the least amount of flow traps (flaws).
They still sending cars to customers with door panels not alligned priperly, all within the secret spec, worst customer service ever.
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one bumper bender and the whole car is totaled. I'll be staying away with any cars with gigacasting. only one benefit from this is the auto makers. Expect the insurance rates to doubled once this evolution is in full motion. How much cheaper the car needs to get to make consumer benefit from this?
Using single castings instead of multiple welds increases structural rigidity (compressive and standing loading forces). So it may cost more for the car to be repaired or be written off at a high rates but that 4 inches of less cabin penetration during a side impact is the difference between eating from a feeding tube the rest of your life or leaving the hospital after 4 hours. There is a cost to everything. Decreased repairability at times, increased safety at times. A "bumper bender" won't total a car though unless it's a Fisher Price brand. If you're totaling a unibody frame vehicle with enough damage to significantly damage the casting more than the residual value of vehicle it would most likely have been totaled by a conventionally welded vehicle. Labor isn't getting any cheaper. But to your point the worst of both worlds would be a car that doesn't offer any additional safety and costs more to repair.
@@Tokamak3.1415 That might be how the auto makers will advertised it. but why don't we all drive semi-trailer for commute if your take is safety over everything. Giga casting auto makers will show how a car is safer when it's hit with a non giga casting car. But is it that much safer if most cars are structured the same way? cars will be hit with much more "structural rigidity" during side impacts
9:22 one big casting would go against unboxed process. It lends itself to maybe 4 castings that get bolted together at the end. Tesla was also dialing down the risk a bit making sure they can make the car before they go all out. Scrp rates only cost Tesla time mainly because they can melt the casting and try again. Stamping they can't remelt and they only get pennies on the dollar for recycling that material.
Sure, the usual BS!
For starters, aluminium is much more expensive than steel.
Repairing vehicles in aluminium is extremely costly.
It is NOT going to bring down any prices, that's for sure.
Did you watch the video? The additional costs are offset by greater cost reductions in other areas.
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What happens when you are in an accident. It might be more expensive or harder to fix a car since you can’t replace panels easily.
Maybe and maybe not. Depends on what needs replacement. You could also design it for ease of repair...it would depend on the manufacturer. Having many smaller parts (as per traditional manufacturing) doesn't mean it is better...it could still cost a lot and a lot more knowledge, tools and resources required. When there is enough advancement in gigacasting and design...people will learn the best way to use this new tech and then things will be even better. Give it a fair go.
NO! Those castings are solid. The type of impact that it would take to damage or crack that casting is such that the car would be a total write-off anyway. That same impact on a traditional care would be obliterated and a write-off anyway as well. No additional costs to insurance or consumer. In fact costs are less, way less!
Castings aren't panels, if you damage a casting then congrats on surviving that car crash, it was brutal, the other driver didn't survive
Another HUGE innovation coming in Tesla’s manufacturing is the removal of the CAN-bus. This means instead of hundreds of wires worming their way through and across the vehicle, there are controllers at every important part, which get connected together by ribbon cables.
Yup, they literally save kilometers of wiring and kilos of weight. They also combine a lot of controllers into one larger controller for each section of a car.
Why did they not mention that GM has already started megacasting with the Cadillac Celestiq?
Q: Why did they not mention that GM has already started megacasting with the Cadillac Celestiq? A: because they don't know about it. and really GM's already employed LARGE castings in their Gas vehicles. it's already used in the Alpha Chassis which underpinned the 6G Camaro way back in 2016 (which is now already out of production) and both the Cadillac CTS and CT5. and it's used even MORE EXTENSIVELY starting in the 2020 Corvette C8...
GM has long produced these parts at their Bedford Casting Operation in Bedford Indiana, so it's "old hat" as far as their concerned and NOT something they would ever think they needed to "crow about" like a Start-Up operation who's "baby young to the world" of manufacturing.
GM did aluminum casting previously. That’s nothing new. Lots of products use casting. MEGAcasting was used on the 2024 Celestiq, years after Tesla. You may or may not like Tesla but please don’t blatantly lie.
No. Casting is only possible with MASS production. GM execs have no comprehension of mass production.
@@juliahello6673 re: "You may or may not like Tesla but please don’t blatantly lie." you may LOVE Tesla (and desire to give Elon hand release) but please stop lying to keep the Stock from going in the toilet. the Robo-Taxi's not coming in August, which surprises NO ONE.
The German automobile industry may experience a significant decline in sales.😅
nope, some people buy premium brand, there Chinese companies have to go long way to prove their trustworthiness
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You could make them smaller? Average occupancy of a private vehicle on the road has got to be below 30%
I would think a simple fender bender in one of these cars could total it. I would say one of the biggest issues for EVs right now is lack of places that service them, not to mention charge them. Many would have to have their cars towed hundreds of miles for even a moderate repair and wait a long time to get it back. Most seem to have both types of vehicles just in case. They are still not a viable option for the average car buyer.
You charge an EV at home though ? And service that an EV requires is at most washer fluid top off. If you need to service an EV in a shop, well then, congrats on surviving a car crash.