I like your video and your creativity. I think you can re-route the engine exhaust to outside of the tent so that you would have to inhale the exhaust while checking out the system. Also, I hope there is a relief valve somewhere on the discharge side of the compressor and on the gas tank inside the car.
Sir, this is a fantastic video. Thanks for sharing. Can you tell us more about the natural gas well? How did you create it? What did it cost to install? Is NG only available in certain areas in the ground? What city are you doing this in? Questions of that ilk would be great to get responses on!
This I believe is a phenominal idea and looks like what I have been wanting. I would love to correspond with you and speck this out to the point that I could build it. Most of my gas gets burned, or blown of thru a standpipe during the summer and I would much rather save it!
Commenting the end of the video. Methane is considered to be far more effective green house gas than carbon dioxide. According to different estimations the warming effect of methane is 20-40 times greater than in CO2. If being conscious, the loose CH4 could be burnt at the end of the exhaust pipe to CO2. I think that is what they do in commercial power plants. Great work!
This setup isfor natural gas motor vehicles, (CNG) The high pressure compressor could cost $7500 and the storage for 5000cuft of high pressure gas another $5000. Vehicles require 3600psi to fill their tanks. A barby, home heat etc uses .5 (1/2) pound pressure. Most people with gas wells, the well will supply home needs without storage.
Thanks Alex, for the prompt reply. I'm in the beginning stages in making a digestor system, for using our goat, sheep, rabbit, chicken, cow, horse poop to make bio-gas/methane to use in our home appliances and at one time or another convert my old truck to use the gas. That is why I wanted to know about where I can get the compressor. Thanks, I will keep in touch to find out the price.
very nice job!!! may you explain the adaptations that you made, in order to turn a regular air compressor (scuba ones) into a gnc compressor?. Many many thanks in advance!!!
This system always stores as a gas, so it is called CNG compressed natural GAS, Liquified natural gas is another process (LNG) and involves very cold temp plus high pressure.
Thank you for sharing. Do you also capture, store and pressurize for use by water heater, to cook with, gas barbeque, etc? Where would I find a little professional help in this area? It seems like everywhere I look people say not to do it. I don’t understand why.
Would it be technically possible to vent the relief gas into the tank (to act as an accumlator to control spikes in pressure) and then route that back into the low pressure gound line on the suction side of the compressor? I'm sure it would be some help to control the loss of gas not only in an environmental aspect but in a conservation aspect.
I have a similar situation as you, in that I have a small, producing oil well on my property. I use the wellhead gas to heat in the winter, cook, and heat my water. However there are times in the winter when temps get low and pressure drops to the point that all appliances will not run. In the summer there is an abundance, though. What I want to do is use a compressor system such as this to "stockpile" CNG during the summer in the equivalent of a propane storage tank. Wouldn't this be possible?
Well done ! But can you tell us what the lowest cost of a compressor would be to compress Methane gas into a propane gas bottle ? Could this be done with just a normal air compressor somehow safely ? How much PSI do propane or butane gas bottles have for camping usage ? As we could easily make Methane gas from a digester it is now only the last problem to store the Methane gas compressed in a propane bottle... Many thanks. Regards, Stefan.
You can compress methane into a propane bottle but the ammount you will have in there that can safely be stored will be very little. Propane normally is around 320psi, cng is stored at around 3000 psi, if you attempt to store cng at 3000+ psi in a conventional cylinder you will have an explosion. From my reading around and what I have learned from speaking to people, you need to modify the compressor in a coupe of ways to handle cng. 1- All low pressure piping need to be replaced with stainless including all fittings. 2- crankcase ventilation needs to be vented into the intake of the compressor to prevent laks from blowby. 3- crankshaft seal on compressor may need to be revised 4- head gaskets on compressor may need to be revised 5- provide a condensate drain 6- provide a high pressure cutout for the compressor If electrically driven, you will need a spark proof sealed motor, contactor and to operate the system in an outdoor area keeping all flames away. The most compatible type of air compressor that can be adapted from my understanding is a scuba air compressor, as most of them run higher air pressures around 4000psi meaning they have the ability to safely compress gasses at that pressure and will require little modification except for crankcase ventilation, pressure limiting adjustments and plumbing to relevant applications.
Way to go! Great vid and great idea! And, hey, I'm the first to post a comment!!! you should find a way to hook one of these up to Congress. Think of the gas you'd get ... oh, ... but it wouldn't be pollutant free. --Marty
I use natual gas to heat 2 homes. Connected to a 60 yr old well about a mile from my residence, well pressure is 5 psi. Would it be possible to use an electric compressor to pull gas in and feed a storage tank to 20 psi?
Hi I just got a 4 stage compressor, I own a CNC machine shop also. My plan is to connect the the gas line at our business to the inlet and use a filter and water trap. Then compress the gas to 3000 psi directly to the truck CNG tank. Does this sound correct. I am concerned as to what if say some air were to leak or be sucked into the compressor, could this mixture be explosive????? Thanks great setup you have
Why wouldn't you just bottle it in propane tanks and re-enginer the fuel system like a forklift, or put a Kubota diesel engine on it and swap the head for a special natty-gas head, just a thought
awesome setup, that so awesome to get free fuel, from your farm. However the answer your question about why the whole country isnt doing this its probably becuase of production. Inorder to mass produce enough gas for the whole country we would need ALOT of plants tp produce. My guess is, after a piont it isnt cost/space effective....however i could be wrong. i mean we do use alot of CNG for homes, i wonder how much of a load running all our vehicles off it would add to our current systems?
@jimschrader50 The compressor has overpressure fittings on every stage. To be safe, I installed a T fitting and a long hose to take any blowoff gas away from the machine. NG is actually easier on the machine than Air, so they will run a long time with out maintance, (except Oil)
@SaGalv United States has enough natural gas to meet ALL its motor fuel and heating needs for 100's of years. CH4 (natural gas) comes out of the ground ready to burn (like on my farm) It needs only a bit of filtering to be 100% useful. It is distributed to virtually ALL cities and towns across america by underground pipeline. If every town provided a CNG (compressed natural gas) fueling station, fed by pipeline, we could graduall eliminate our dependence on foreign oil at a cost of 800 B
why indeed isnt the world doing it, probably partly because we dont all have natural gas on our property ;) I came across your video researching how to compress wood gas to achieve similar energy density to lpg. With the amount of power it looks like is needed to compress it, it might undo the worth of the wood gas angle.
Great Video! No Need for Electricity since running on Natural Gas compressor?. Could this system be mobile on a trailer? Excellent Question to end, "If it's that easy why isn't the country doing it?" Answer: Government Serves the Oil Corporation NOT the People. Government for the Money the People.
People are blaming the government for why everyone isnt doing this...if you want the real answer look in the mirror...i purchased a civic gx in january a week later my coltri cng compressor was delivered by greenfix america and install took me 5 minutes as i already had a gas stub and a 220 v drier hookup in my garage....i did it, so can you..i drive 2500 miles a month and my gas bill is less then 30 bucks ...municipal provider for my gas is SoCal Gas
The kohler k582 engine is gasoline driven per their website info. The only natural gas engine they make is the ch740ng. So it sounds like the source for the natural gas comes from a well this farmer has drilled? Great for him but not exactly a source that most people have. I'd like to see a source that uses animal, vegetable or human waste to generate the NG. Then this would be used to power vehicles or an electrical generator that uses NG.
I have a 2002 cavalier dual-fuel, I am ordering the hydraulic cng compressor from cngpump.com...Probably the most reliable pump you can buy, not some cheap rotary electric from China that will last a month. Converting everything I own to CNG including my late model turbo diesel pickup (Fumigation induction cng). Wish I'd done this way back and before I was turning wvo into biodiesel...
@oscars97 If your scuba compressor is equipped with an automatic moisture venting system, all vent lines should be routed to the exterior. All electronics that may be present must be relocated to prevent sparks (esp relays) from becoming ignition sources. Motor should be sealed (no vents) or explosion proof rated. Oil should be mineral based only (synthetic foams in NG). Never operate the compressor in an enclosed environment (NG leaks or failures can cause accumulation / fire hazard).
I'm looking at using a small scuba compressor to set up an at home filling station to use my homes CNG to fuel my work truck. Any info would be appreciated. Thankyou
@@aaronknowlton3996 I discovered the biggest reason not to use CNG is because compressor lifetime can be short. I found somebody online that modified a large Bauer K14 block compressor to run at 1/3 speed and ran it that way for 30 years without an overhaul. I did the same and have had similar luck. Running a big compressor slower significantly increases lifespan, which makes breaking even a lot quicker and more certain. Put a 5 gallon(ish) tank on the inlet to increase throughput due to the quick inlet pulses of the compressor. If you have moisture filters on the compressor (which you should, because this is another reason why CNG has dwindled in residential settings- due to car tanks and valves failing from moisture contamination), vent them to 2 or 3 100 gal propane tanks rather than venting to air or attempting to maintain high pressure in the system. Filters hold a lot of gas. You can then relieve the tanks into the inlet on the next fill. Safer and doesn’t stink. Put the system in an outdoor shed and crack the door when running. Don’t attempt an indoor install. Leaks crop up when you least expect. Be prepared for 1-1.5 hr per gallon fill times for a residential meter. If you can get a special 2psi meter from the gas company, your fill time will fall dramatically. All electrics need to be placed away from the compressor itself, into a separate or exterior facility. If it’s a scuba compressor, all cylinder overpressure valves need to be vented to the exterior. That’s about all I can think of that may have caught me by surprise. Holler if I can be of any further assistance…. CNG is the best. If I can help it I’ll never switch back to gasoline. I wish you luck!
THERE IS A WILL!!! The big oil tycoons don't want us free of there oil!! and the cities want there road tax collected by the gas stations!! I tried to go down that road I got a huge fine for not paying road tax!!!!
I have no idea why you want to do that but the major problem would be if particles or liquids let inside compressor cylinders as they are not compressible, they may damage the system.
99% of people would burn to death for lack of knowledge. Yes we can be self sufficient with proper training. A normal person don’t know how to measure all and what pressure is
Incredibly noisy compressor, even at this small scale. Not only ill effects of loud noise but low-frequency noise (inaudible to human hearing) and its whole body effects (See Amy Mall/NRDC post 2-22-10). Gas burns clean but is not at all "clean" in its production (shale gas extraction can cause air and water pollution. Contrary to "not much of a pollutant," methane is a major worsener of greenhouse effect. Fascination with machine without seeing big picture. This fellow is misleading.
I like your video and your creativity. I think you can re-route the engine exhaust to outside of the tent so that you would have to inhale the exhaust while checking out the system. Also, I hope there is a relief valve somewhere on the discharge side of the compressor and on the gas tank inside the car.
Sir, this is a fantastic video. Thanks for sharing. Can you tell us more about the natural gas well? How did you create it? What did it cost to install? Is NG only available in certain areas in the ground? What city are you doing this in? Questions of that ilk would be great to get responses on!
This I believe is a phenominal idea and looks like what I have been wanting. I would love to correspond with you and speck this out to the point that I could build it. Most of my gas gets burned, or blown of thru a standpipe during the summer and I would much rather save it!
Commenting the end of the video. Methane is considered to be far more effective green house gas than carbon dioxide. According to different estimations the warming effect of methane is 20-40 times greater than in CO2.
If being conscious, the loose CH4 could be burnt at the end of the exhaust pipe to CO2. I think that is what they do in commercial power plants.
Great work!
This setup isfor natural gas motor vehicles, (CNG) The high pressure compressor could cost $7500 and the storage for 5000cuft of high pressure gas another $5000. Vehicles require 3600psi to fill their tanks. A barby, home heat etc uses .5 (1/2) pound pressure.
Most people with gas wells, the well will supply home needs without storage.
Thanks Alex, for the prompt reply. I'm in the beginning stages in making a digestor system, for using our goat, sheep, rabbit, chicken, cow, horse poop to make bio-gas/methane to use in our home appliances and at one time or another convert my old truck to use the gas. That is why I wanted to know about where I can get the compressor. Thanks, I will keep in touch to find out the price.
very nice job!!! may you explain the adaptations that you made, in order to turn a regular air compressor (scuba ones) into a gnc compressor?. Many many thanks in advance!!!
This system always stores as a gas, so it is called CNG compressed natural GAS,
Liquified natural gas is another process (LNG) and involves very cold temp plus high pressure.
Thank you for sharing. Do you also capture, store and pressurize for use by water heater, to cook with, gas barbeque, etc? Where would I find a little professional help in this area? It seems like everywhere I look people say not to do it. I don’t understand why.
Would it be technically possible to vent the relief gas into the tank (to act as an accumlator to control spikes in pressure) and then route that back into the low pressure gound line on the suction side of the compressor? I'm sure it would be some help to control the loss of gas not only in an environmental aspect but in a conservation aspect.
I actually wish i could visit you and learn more about what you are doing.
This is absolutely awesome... you obviously are an engineer like me :-) . Great work!
That is very cool. I was thinking of what it would cost to purchase the compressor, and where?
I have a similar situation as you, in that I have a small, producing oil well on my property. I use the wellhead gas to heat in the winter, cook, and heat my water. However there are times in the winter when temps get low and pressure drops to the point that all appliances will not run. In the summer there is an abundance, though. What I want to do is use a compressor system such as this to "stockpile" CNG during the summer in the equivalent of a propane storage tank. Wouldn't this be possible?
Well done ! But can you tell us what the lowest cost of a compressor would be to compress
Methane gas into a propane gas bottle ? Could this be done with just a normal air compressor somehow safely ? How much PSI do propane or butane gas bottles have for camping usage ?
As we could easily make Methane gas from a digester it is now only the last problem to store the Methane gas compressed in a propane bottle...
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
You can compress methane into a propane bottle but the ammount you will have in there that can safely be stored will be very little. Propane normally is around 320psi, cng is stored at around 3000 psi, if you attempt to store cng at 3000+ psi in a conventional cylinder you will have an explosion. From my reading around and what I have learned from speaking to people, you need to modify the compressor in a coupe of ways to handle cng.
1- All low pressure piping need to be replaced with stainless including all fittings.
2- crankcase ventilation needs to be vented into the intake of the compressor to prevent laks from blowby.
3- crankshaft seal on compressor may need to be revised
4- head gaskets on compressor may need to be revised
5- provide a condensate drain
6- provide a high pressure cutout for the compressor
If electrically driven, you will need a spark proof sealed motor, contactor and to operate the system in an outdoor area keeping all flames away. The most compatible type of air compressor that can be adapted from my understanding is a scuba air compressor, as most of them run higher air pressures around 4000psi meaning they have the ability to safely compress gasses at that pressure and will require little modification except for crankcase ventilation, pressure limiting adjustments and plumbing to relevant applications.
Way to go! Great vid and great idea! And, hey, I'm the first to post a comment!!! you should find a way to hook one of these up to Congress. Think of the gas you'd get ... oh, ... but it wouldn't be pollutant free.
--Marty
Awesome sir i am impressed.. :-)
Nice work u made it by urself
I use natual gas to heat 2 homes. Connected to a 60 yr old well about a mile from my residence, well pressure is 5 psi. Would it be possible to use an electric compressor to pull gas in and feed a storage tank to 20 psi?
Hi I just got a 4 stage compressor, I own a CNC machine shop also.
My plan is to connect the the gas line at our business to the inlet and use a filter and water trap. Then compress the gas to 3000 psi directly to the truck CNG tank. Does this sound correct. I am concerned as to what if say some air were to leak or be sucked into the compressor, could this mixture be explosive?????
Thanks great setup you have
Why wouldn't you just bottle it in propane tanks and re-enginer the fuel system like a forklift, or put a Kubota diesel engine on it and swap the head for a special natty-gas head, just a thought
MarxKartredge cng in propane tanks is a lethal combination.
awesome setup, that so awesome to get free fuel, from your farm. However the answer your question about why the whole country isnt doing this its probably becuase of production. Inorder to mass produce enough gas for the whole country we would need ALOT of plants tp produce. My guess is, after a piont it isnt cost/space effective....however i could be wrong. i mean we do use alot of CNG for homes, i wonder how much of a load running all our vehicles off it would add to our current systems?
@jimschrader50 The compressor has overpressure fittings on every stage. To be safe, I installed a T fitting and a long hose to take any blowoff gas away from the machine. NG is actually easier on the machine than Air, so they will run a long time with out maintance, (except Oil)
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Smart man.. wish America would catch on.
is ur suction line connected to ur natural gas line from ur house, or do u have a well ur drawing from
Like any vehicle, miles or km depends on size of the tank. In this large V8 sedan, it goes 200 miles, is that 320 KM ?
@SaGalv United States has enough natural gas to meet ALL its motor fuel and heating needs for 100's of years. CH4 (natural gas) comes out of the ground ready to burn (like on my farm) It needs only a bit of filtering to be 100% useful. It is distributed to virtually ALL cities and towns across america by underground pipeline. If every town provided a CNG (compressed natural gas) fueling station, fed by pipeline, we could graduall eliminate our dependence on foreign oil at a cost of 800 B
why indeed isnt the world doing it, probably partly because we dont all have natural gas on our property ;) I came across your video researching how to compress wood gas to achieve similar energy density to lpg. With the amount of power it looks like is needed to compress it, it might undo the worth of the wood gas angle.
Great Video! No Need for Electricity since running on Natural Gas compressor?. Could this system be mobile on a trailer? Excellent Question to end, "If it's that easy why isn't the country doing it?" Answer: Government Serves the Oil Corporation NOT the People. Government for the Money the People.
WILL...exactly. Did you patent this setup?
People are blaming the government for why everyone isnt doing this...if you want the real answer look in the mirror...i purchased a civic gx in january a week later my coltri cng compressor was delivered by greenfix america and install took me 5 minutes as i already had a gas stub and a 220 v drier hookup in my garage....i did it, so can you..i drive 2500 miles a month and my gas bill is less then 30 bucks ...municipal provider for my gas is SoCal Gas
Question, where do you source your natural gas to compress it further?
What is farm gas?
thanks for Very Decent and accurate Video!, I am also interested to use methane Gas to use in vehicles,
Fantástico trabajo es inspirador, la libertad energética es posible con conocimientos técnicos!!!! saludos desde México !!!!
Good question at the end. "Why isn't the whole country doing it"? My educated answer sir would be. "Bureaucracy Bull Shit"
Can I do that but use a less expensive scuba compressor?
Nice Fisher Regulator. Looks like an S201 or a Y690?
This compressor can compress any type of gas, not just natural gas? What kind of pressures can it compress to?
thank you for the great video
How many KM. you can drive after each fueling.
awesome video thanks
How much does that cost? Approximately?
how long does it take to fill the tank in the car
Can I get a cheep scuba compressor and use that?
How do I addapt it?
I need such compressor... where can i order one
The kohler k582 engine is gasoline driven per their website info. The only natural gas engine they make is the ch740ng. So it sounds like the source for the natural gas comes from a well this farmer has drilled? Great for him but not exactly a source that most people have. I'd like to see a source that uses animal, vegetable or human waste to generate the NG. Then this would be used to power vehicles or an electrical generator that uses NG.
We are a german dealer for BAUER compressors. Please ask for a offer. We will ship of course to the states.
I am interested in your application. I have a biogas stream, 60% nat gas, 40% C02. Do you think this could be modified for this application?
how much time it's take to full tank ie 8-9 kg at 220 barg pressure?
lets all get one
+Jeff Gervais if there is one available anywhere i will buy
Where does the gas come from? I am just wondering how a simple home buyer will ever find such a thing on piece of land.
Right .. is there natural gas under some random plot of country land? Apparently America has A LOT of gas!
Cool...........One video 12+ years ago, Big Oil must have taken him out.
natural gas is a very potent greenhouse gas. I think it is burned at most landfills for that reason.
Is it available in Pakistan?
how to made in home cng station?
plz send me the list of parts and model chart..
@balbin57 -LNG is NOT under pressure.
what kind of money was it. to make ??
how much ??, what kind of money less more haha
I have a 2002 cavalier dual-fuel, I am ordering the hydraulic cng compressor from cngpump.com...Probably the most reliable pump you can buy, not some cheap rotary electric from China that will last a month. Converting everything I own to CNG including my late model turbo diesel pickup (Fumigation induction cng). Wish I'd done this way back and before I was turning wvo into biodiesel...
WVO would still be cheaper than CNG tho
I need a compressor that can compress biogas gas into cylinders domestic use.
the only one missleading are big oil companies
do you think this polutes more
who paid fot those studies???????
@oscars97 If your scuba compressor is equipped with an automatic moisture venting system, all vent lines should be routed to the exterior. All electronics that may be present must be relocated to prevent sparks (esp relays) from becoming ignition sources. Motor should be sealed (no vents) or explosion proof rated. Oil should be mineral based only (synthetic foams in NG). Never operate the compressor in an enclosed environment (NG leaks or failures can cause accumulation / fire hazard).
I'm looking at using a small scuba compressor to set up an at home filling station to use my homes CNG to fuel my work truck. Any info would be appreciated. Thankyou
@@aaronknowlton3996 I discovered the biggest reason not to use CNG is because compressor lifetime can be short. I found somebody online that modified a large Bauer K14 block compressor to run at 1/3 speed and ran it that way for 30 years without an overhaul. I did the same and have had similar luck. Running a big compressor slower significantly increases lifespan, which makes breaking even a lot quicker and more certain. Put a 5 gallon(ish) tank on the inlet to increase throughput due to the quick inlet pulses of the compressor. If you have moisture filters on the compressor (which you should, because this is another reason why CNG has dwindled in residential settings- due to car tanks and valves failing from moisture contamination), vent them to 2 or 3 100 gal propane tanks rather than venting to air or attempting to maintain high pressure in the system. Filters hold a lot of gas. You can then relieve the tanks into the inlet on the next fill. Safer and doesn’t stink. Put the system in an outdoor shed and crack the door when running. Don’t attempt an indoor install. Leaks crop up when you least expect. Be prepared for 1-1.5 hr per gallon fill times for a residential meter. If you can get a special 2psi meter from the gas company, your fill time will fall dramatically. All electrics need to be placed away from the compressor itself, into a separate or exterior facility. If it’s a scuba compressor, all cylinder overpressure valves need to be vented to the exterior. That’s about all I can think of that may have caught me by surprise. Holler if I can be of any further assistance…. CNG is the best. If I can help it I’ll never switch back to gasoline. I wish you luck!
I'll tell ya why the whole country isn't doing it. Big oil just won't let us..
anybody know what that yellow pipe is called or made of?
+anidittakavi Looks like stainless steel with yellow coating paint.
The pipe is just normal black steel pipe. The fitting are malleable iron.
It's a coming!
we r using this mthod since last 12 year in pakistan :P
I never seen this .would u like to explain
THERE IS A WILL!!! The big oil tycoons don't want us free of there oil!! and the cities want there road tax collected by the gas stations!! I tried to go down that road I got a huge fine for not paying road tax!!!!
true you always see these revalutions on youtube but oil companies crush them because they threaten their market
you should of started the car in your video.
Este compresor puede comprimir hidrogeno
somebody know.. Max compression to natural gas for engine otto
now,LNG is popular
LNG is for storage and transport only. It's not popular it needs to be gassified for use. It's only economical where pipes cannot go.
Compressor like that 12.000
I have no idea why you want to do that but the major problem would be if particles or liquids let inside compressor cylinders as they are not compressible, they may damage the system.
The country doesn't use it because it would put big energy companies out of business.
99% of people would burn to death for lack of knowledge.
Yes we can be self sufficient with proper training. A normal person don’t know how to measure all and what pressure is
Y isn't the whole world doing it ? Coz "They" don't let u do.
Incredibly noisy compressor, even at this small scale. Not only ill effects of loud noise but low-frequency noise (inaudible to human hearing) and its whole body effects (See Amy Mall/NRDC post 2-22-10). Gas burns clean but is not at all "clean" in its production (shale gas extraction can cause air and water pollution. Contrary to "not much of a pollutant," methane is a major worsener of greenhouse effect. Fascination with machine without seeing big picture. This fellow is misleading.
Does it come out as a liquid?
No, but it's highly compressed.