IWD Watches Team Liquid's Breaking Point
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 เม.ย. 2022
- Welcome to a very long video - today we are checking out Team Liquid's Breaking Point video!
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I love how Piglet's mentality improving meant that he doesnt make his support cry anymore
xDD holy shit
He makes his support cry less*
You really know Dom is a jungler when he sees the most toxic and depressing situation that a squad could find themselves in, were they have a dogshit facility to play in all boxed in with no breathing room next to players they just openly hate and a pretty incompetent coaching staff and he just goes "fuck man I shouldn't have retired this looks fun as fuck"
So used to getting shit on by riot, every LCS and solo q teammate, and every coach for not ganking enough that he actually wants to get back into an environment where he gets shit on just for speaking. Sounds like a right and proper jungler xD
locco dosent look too bad in this video , but im sure this was cherry picked.
I kinda know what he means though. For some reason it seems like it'd be really interesting to be on a team like this.
I'm a person who fucking loves arguing and debating, though. Also probably weighed down by the fact that it's an unsolvable situation owing to Loco, Piglet and Dardoch, so it'd get frustrating pretty fast.
@@deadmo1 Doesn't he? Like 90% of the documentary is showing Loco having zero mental, showing zero leadership, and constantly at the focal point of all the issues in the team.
@@bostonholland3704 not loco's fault the facility they were in was shit. and he seems involved, yet calm. lots of cotches straight up shit on you like reginald from tsm and they arent even on your radar of shitty coatches. you seem like the kinda person to be a problem when you are a friend.
Hearing Dom just really get fired up on the things josh (dardoch) was saying easily makes this the best Breaking Point reaction. To think josh was Dom’s replacememt all those years ago…
Huge props to Nick Phan, the way he kept his cool when Piglet was acting like a sulky kid on the bed.. and tried to empathise with him, motivate him and get him to acknowledge his faults. Respect.
Dardoch maby didnt carry TL to great succes but he carries the shit of of this documentary
facts lmao
The way dardoch talked to big Steve like…. Idk man if you can’t get your shit under control with big Steve, Rick Fox…. I’m curious if his attitude did change or not I feel bad because dardoch has had many opportunities to prove himself and I’m curious if the behind the scenes changed a lot or not.
@@mjd3879 no evidence of him having problems with Rick tho?
@@mjd3879 Steve came at him with the standard corporate HR horseshit honestly respect on dardoch. That whole situation was fucked and he was the only one who spoke up. You can blame piglet or dardoch or any other player on the team that didnt step up but honestly loco is to blame for being such a shit coach. I mean wow that was unbearable to watch.
he is working a normal 9-5 today :) Toxic boy ruined every chance he had lol@@mjd3879
12:45 I don't mind a 5-hour banger on you giving the ins and outs of pro play in your days Dom.
This deserves more upvotes. I want ALL the stories
Locodoco sounds like a substitute teacher dealing with a class full of problematic students that he gives absolutely 0 shits about; every single moment of his job he treats as grunt work, has no personality, forms no bond with any student, and patronizes troubled students every chance he gets under the guise of helping them.
At 17:15 he literally comes up with an example where one of his players is being 'emo' lmao imagine your head coach calling you that in a conversation like this (also his solution is for someone else to say 'don't be passive agressive' which would obviously escalate a conflict if you do that shit lol)
it comes across to me like he fundamentally doesn't understand how to resolve conflict without making people hate eacother.
literally says it’s hard to care about you guys
@@Smonsequenses i dont think the issue was that, and I dont think dardoch cared about tbe phrasing. The issue however is the fact that there isnt even a good relationship between the players in the coach to begin with, so it just seems like this whole conversation is just pointless
Except the substitute teacher behaves younger and less mature than the students.
IWD singlehandely is getting me into the league pro-scene the casters really don't do the trick 4 me but the co-stream are always fun
HE SENSES IT
LCK casters and some LEC casters get me hooked for the game
Captain Flowers and Pastrytime kill the vibe. I miss dman and riv. When phreak leaves, league dies
@Mysmurfisdiamond Bianchini to u. Phreak is great. Captain flowers is basically JAWS.
Same I’ve played since season 4. Never watched pro play because I CBA spending that much time watching. Dom adds his own ex-pro commentary + highlights and it makes it super digestible for me.
Dude i love videos like this man. Having watched the LCS for so long, feeling the nostalgia and also hearing some inside memories, thoughts, and experiences that you've had is so entertaining. More like this please.
I’m about to watch the entire resurgence one with Dom on it
I agree that it's entertaining but for Dom to completely expose Piglet because he hates him is wrong. He's portraying Piglet like such a bad guy when he's not
no stream tap to retry
looks like it works now so excited for this
good afternoon Mr Henry quak conzalez, nice to see you here
@@blizkem9192 noooooooooo
Never thought I'd hear Dom say that Piglet was an absolute homie. I guess that Baron steal really changed his mind
5 years later, and Piglet still probably thinks he could win Worlds on the right team.
Bjergsen became a coach to pull his team to his level. He just said, "fuck it bro. I got so many words to say, I don't have time to play this shit"
48:25 when dardoch says "yeah, i mean you tell me a bunch of shit" has to be my fav dardoch line i never noticed
This is sooo good, the one by Doublelift was good but cant even touch this, since Dom was literally on the team a year before and knows all the workings of the team.
Literally played game 1 not even a year before.
@@kkkkkkkemstar since Dom was literally on the team *the year before ig
dom was literally working with this team for a few months iirc, he was like a sudo coach.
@@haoxinchao7479 Pseudo-coach
This is crazy watching this in the future. Looking back watching these while in high school and transiting out of it, just goes to clearly show you don't know everything behind the scenes. Everyone is human.
Locodoco is one of the worst coaches ever, holy hell spamming lighter gap
holy shit i never realized how shit loco was at handling that, you're a COACH man almost everything was pushed back on the players
I've never seen a team of people that openly dislike each other so much. I haven't watched too much pro behind the scenes but my god
I appreciate the times he stuck up and defended Dardoch when he was right, really puts a perspective to how messed up that team was loool.
I agree even though IWD stated that he was/is homies with TL management and coaching staff he doesn’t let it create an unnecessary bias that colors the whole video. Props to IWD for keeping it 💯💯
idk in what world TL thought that auto filling a solo queue midlaner to jungle would be better than simply integrating a high rated solo queue jungler
It was just before worlds so rosters were locked, they couldn't sign people anymore. They had to do all this random shit with who they had, and since they already released their academy team they only had Arcsecond signed as a streamer and Jynthe as a trainee I think. Hilarious stuff
@@kostaurus ah had no clue it was that bad. god damn was this org a shit show
Loved this when Monte and Thorin watched it, and i love it when Dom gives his perspective. Breaking Point really never fails to deliver
12:10
Holy fuck. I didn't pick it up on the first watch but Loco literally says "Piglet you're the best player on this team so I give you favoritism."
And then he says "why do you feel I give piglet favoritism"
The unexpected love for Fabby killed me lmao
Damn… sometimes I forget it was only 7ish years ago I was watching Dom as a pro player and not as a streamer haha u rlly lived this shit bro I love your content and everything you do
1:20:42 lmfao what a child, and dom getting angry is hilarious, I can tell how frustrating this would be
Honestly, would be great if there was a documentary like this for every pro team. Whoever made it, well fucking done, holy shit! And you Dom, thanks for the commentary, was really fun and hope you will make more content like this :)
I always feel bad for Matt whenever I watch Breaking Point
I love that people hated Dardoch and complained that he was the most toxic player on this team... When you had Piglet who literally didn't give a fuck and just slagged off all of his teammates.
Dudes literally talking back to a coach. Hell I wouldn’t wanna play with that guy in a normal game. Probably doesn’t communicate at all, that’s all loco was asking him to do. Communicate.
@@trapkingproductions The coach who openly supported some players and allowed them to do whatever they wanted (Piglet, Fenix) and criticised everyone else… Dardoch started talking back because they were being treated differently to players like Piglet who would literally refuse to communicate and would flame teammates in game.
Like the whole reason Dardoch got pissed was because of that. He was a good communicator when he was engaged in the team and wanted to be there.
Dardoch was literally a nightmare person with the maturity of a 14 year old lol
@@hippityhoppityw Piglet was absolutely worse... Even years later people still complain about how insanely toxic he was, causing players to literally breakdown in tears and yet Dardoch is hated and endless criticised. Whilst nobody gave a shit about Piglet.
Yeh ive never hated dardoch, he clearly cared A LOT about being a pro but he was way way out of line when communicating his views, talking to his boss like that but most of which were correct and valid.
He shouldve gone to EU where that type of personality is more normalised.
@46:07 jeez when he said “we decided, alright, let’s document everything he’s done and…” it gave me corporate flashbacks. That is something that you never want to be done because it is on your record forever with that organization!
Bro why is Loco Doco built like Mr Crocker from Fairly Odd Parents
If loco was my coach I would tilt to oblivion
Thank you for posting this, sad I missed that stream
Finally I’ve been waiting for this!
dom i still maintain that you are objectively one of the more innovative and interesting jungle players of all time, and wish you never retired. i would root for you making a comeback anyday.
Can we mention how idiotic this sounds, they took a random mid laner to llay jungle. Like why would they not take a fucking jungler lmao
1:39:43 is the moment Steve decided he’s selling dardoch at the end of the year
Finally, i caught the whole thing live but it's nice it's available for TH-cam only viewers too.
If locodoco was my couch that man would of been homeless. He has the social skills of a 4th grader. I truly believe that if their coach was at all a human this squad wouldn't of been dog shit. This was after loco being considered one of the only good lcs coaches. You can tell he learned alot from regi because they have similar ideas. Look at that video of regi and turtle. It's literally a repeat situation in mutiple occasions during this. Talking shit with the player sitting right there till they are just destroyer it's something else man
Love this type of content Dom!
You can tell when Dom is watching and enjoying the documentary and when he has ptsd flashbacks and gets mad
"I'm just gonna watch a bit of this while eating" ~two hours later~ wtf....
such a nostalgia trip here xD so nice to see pros that I actually know the name of again LOL.
Hey Dom, I'm a new viewer and new to League. However, I coach soccer on a volunteer basis and enjoy watching pro-League. I personally love making a group of people greater than the sum of their parts. One of those incredibly important elements is team morale to make the team more than the sum of their parts. I've noticed in this video that morale in esports teams is critical. Another example I can think of is how G2 seemed to have so much fun in playoffs this split compared to other teams or even earlier in the season. My question then is this, how important in your career and as an analyst is team morale in esports? Is it more than regular sports? How do you foster good morale in an esports team? (This may be a stupid question but I'm somewhat curious)
This is a good question but I doubt he'll see it. Best send him a donation on stream when he's live and he might answer. Preferably in between games.
YeS
@@umphfr3ak Gigachad answer. Refuses to elaborate
If you're interested in more discussion about the coaching and management decisions, Montechristo and Thorin go into that in their watch party of Breaking Point. They talk about some issues you don't face in regular sports: the players (and staff as well) are all very young and often behind in their development of social skill as they just played a lot of video games, there are not really 'veteran' players (Piglet is the oldest at 22 and he is literally whining rolling around in his bed). And it is also more difficult to punish bad behaviour. If a player on a soccer team talks to the coach like Dardoch does, saying 'he only talks bullshit', you could just make him run laps around the field (or the whole team if you really want the behaviour to stop). The whole point of doing a bootcamp in Korea in the preseason is actually precisely to build team cohesions and social bonds, it's useless to practice 18 hours a day since LCS is on a different patch anyway. You can't have a space where everyone criticizes each other (quite harshly as well) if you don't build proper trust beforehand.
Mistakes during the game are not clear in many esports which is why often times you'll find two players arguing about a simple play because they have different predictions of what the best scenario in the situation would have been. I don't think morale is necessarily more important in esports but it breaks down more easily because of what I previously stated. These are socially inept teenagers who are at the top of what they do so the pressure and ego involved is not the same as a regular youth team or a professional team of adults.
Watched that live and after that, I watched the whole TL Rebirth Season 2 and 3, such a good throwback.
banger vid would love to see him watch the previous tl content where he was part of the team and give some insight
been waiting for this for years!
If I learned anything from this it's taht Loco should not have been a coach. I get he was young, but his entire approach was to condescendingly argue with the players on any little thing. Almost all his scenes could be described as him asking what the players wanted and then responding to their requests with "well that is a bad idea", or "I haven't done anything wrong and you're dumb for thinking I did". Dardoch was literally a 17 year old kid who clearly tried to start off being respectful and hard working to eventually blowing up because he was being blatantly disrespected by everyone, and he wasn't having it. This doesn't excuse his behavior during then or in the years after on different teams, but come on. People were literally expecting a 17 year old kid who dropped out of high school to act like grown adult while they actively treated him like a child every step of the way. Like the mismanagement on this situation seems wild. I can only speculate so my opinion doesn't mean much, but unless there is more context, this could've been handled a lot better.
yea he was not the right man for the job. Everybody knew about how imature he was and he knew already before the split that he is not good enough for this shit, yet Steve begged him to do it.
What really stood out to me what how good of a leader Steve seems to be. When shit is really hitting the fan Steve is there to sort shit out in a productive and nonjudgmental way. He has the rare combo in c suite executives of empathetic leadership alongside pragmatic decision making
Oh have I ever been waiting for this.
It's a wonder that they suspended Dardoch for behavioral issues and not loco for nepotism.
Nice, this is going to be a banger
the content we didn't know we needed
I really want to hear more about Piglet’s 2013 SKT stories that he told Dom
18:05 What do you want piglet to say? "I mean words" 😂😂
Nick Phan comes outta this one looking *so* good, homie did his best on all those egos on this team god DAMN
Dardoch really was a jungler who could carry the crap out of a game. Everything he said was proven right at one point or another. But man his mental broke soooo fast. Also that TL really wasn't a very strong TL, which clearly did not make Dardoch very happy.
i mean having a weak mental in generall and not being able to just stand on top on stuff and let things go is pretty bad if you need to work within a team. but i think that this is just the product of being in a competitive enviroment, trying to win and being surrounded by toxicity and incompetence (expecially loco and the coaching staff in gernerall). Was Dardoch a good person? Most certainly not when hes put under pressure and this enviroment. Was he the best person on the team at the time? By far.
@@jugg8032how is he a better person than Lourlo or Matt tho? That weren't literally calling their teammates "$hit" or "garbage"
honestly coaching staff and steve shouldve taken his side a lot more and reassured him that they will get him far better teammates to play with while telling him that saying the shit he said was downright unacceptable and if he had any performance concerns with the team to discuss it in private outside of scrim and LCS games. He was such a wasted talent and was wrongly developed and a perfect example of why NA is a dogshit region that suppresses genuine world class talent with horrible management.
The stuff he said about fabby and matt to Steve was fully justified. The dude put his all into being a pro and expects to reap rewards out of his efforts but gets dragged down by not just underperformance but lack of effort and passion, ruining his own chances of future value to another team to continue his career.
Lol dom’s laugh when piglet said maybe
30:00 lmfao i love IWD just spitting facts about Piglet. 😂😂😂
Love Dom’a insight
was wondering when IWD will do this after DL's reaction did so good
Such an amazing documentary
Not gonna lie, one of the funniest things I remember from the vid is where Lourlo is talking about Dardoch finding out he's getting kicked from the team but when he goes and talks to him he's playing solo queue 😂
The only thing better than a 10 minute video of an LCS fiesta is a 2 hour one
Didn't Dom also watch the Smash doc at some point? Is there a vod? I would like to see his watches of the International docs as well since he watches that dota tournament.
IT HAS FINALLY ARRIVED
Holy shit Darshan pointing out what Loco is doing @ 35:20 and then Loco saying, “My bad.” And then he can’t let it rest and makes an excuse and goes after Darshan again.
Darshan? Do you mean Dardoch?
Banger incoming
As a supp main myself i feel with Matt here. Sometimes you are the best player in the game and no one can even remotly come close to you and sometimes you feel like you are fking trash. The worst about this is that both can be caused by other players and you dont know or dont feel like it. If your jgl plays good making it ez for you to land your cc or buff him popping off or when your adc doesnt listen to calls or doesnt look at the map and has pings muted. Supp is in my opinion the hardest role not gameplay dependent but working with the mentals in solo duo.
could we have Twitch chat on the corner? i would've love to see the cascade of gigachads whenever Dardoch shit-talked someone
God no twitch chat in vids is cancer
This had the makeup of some really explosive drama and seems like dom took a fact risk against his twitch channel and future orgs working with him. It wasnt too spicy but it had potential
Dom talking about Piglet in game: I could not STAND him! 😡😡😡
Dom talking about Piglet outside of game: Dude would cook and serve our portions, dude was the ultimate homie 🥰🥰🥰
28:55 Loco, you're the fucking coach. How is a coach saying "ah it's just like that they need to figure it out themselves"? Holy shit that's the worst line I've ever heard from him
This is for sure a top 10 video of all time lmfao
Dardoch is literally just saying what the coaches are supposed to say but dont. And instead of ever saying yeah you are right, its somehow more important to them to tell him he isnt allowed to say those things. Even though he only says them cause they wont adress them properly lol. Not saying its not his fault. And the things the coaching stuff and steve say are true, but in reality arent helpful at all cause what they are doing by saying that instead of "yeah you are right. Also you need to work on your communication while we fix the other stuff" is giving him a counter so he feels the need to explain himself which they see as backlash. But what do you expect when all you are answering him is "you are just angry" of course he will be frustrated because no one listens to him.
I know i cant see all the situations they had and can never have a ful picture but i think that stuff is pretty clear from what we see in the documentary
Watching breaking point is my favorite fucking thing idek how many times I’ve watched reactions to it.
Hey whoever runs the YT, The twitch link in the description is incorrect, its IWDominate not iwilldominate
35:30 Exactl what IWD said. These teams need a team psychologist.
1:43:09 , holy shit its Max Toplin (Harold Gunderson), from Suits
35:20 Holy shit you're a genius, we should get Dr. K to react to breaking point.
holy shit im dying already and not even 2 minutes in xD damn how TL has glown up since
I feel like locos way of handling this team was by pouring gasolin on the fire rather than trying to extinguish it, just look at his conversation with matt about piglett should be friendly to others.
Dardoch legit cut Steve off at first, then got angry when Steve cut him off.... wtf man...
23:20 I think the word you're looking for is accountable.
Hey I watched an ad for it to still not be working TH-cam now owes me precious time
damn, dom's take makes much more sense than many other content creators
I swear Fenix has to have one of the most cursed esports careers ever. Poor guy.
Watching this on stream was an absolute blast
Matt: we all need help getting better mentally.
Loco: shut the fuck up.
lmao.
What i take away from all these rewatchings of this is Loco as HC was the biggest problem.
kids leading kids
nailed it. There's not a single grown man involved here.
1:02:25 - 1:02:38 is the funniest part in the video LOLOLOLOL his ego was cranked HAHAHHA
The only thing I took from this is Dom slept with the academy players mothers
2 minutes in I noticed how loco didn’t know how to connect with players emotionally. When fenix was complaining he wasn’t asking for a solution but a validation from his coach. Loco needs to acknowledge his frustration before offering suggestions. Just my 2 cents
2:11:48 love how he's talking about Japanese curry in front of Steph Curry's jersey. Damn
The episode should be called "Biting Nails"
Is it true that after the boot camp loco took Zig and Lourlo out of the room and the team voted on who they wanted to keep on the team as the starting top laner?
Yea it’s true Lourlo I believe talked about it on doublelifts reaction
LMFAO
Jesus Locodoco is just so utterly incompetent it's actually hard to believe. It is utterly insane to me how many of these situations are just created by Loco refusing to talk privately to players one on one and just throwing everything into the entire team. Just get someone who developed some actual social skill to do the job, literally any normal functioning adult who didn't waste their time on video games without winning anything could do this better.
@@Smonsequenses loco is completely incompetent lmao. He was only hired only cause he was in the scene.
this was the year i fully watched and followed the lcs, this season was peak LoL. I wasnt a tl fan before the start but def in the middle of it i grew to the org bc of dardoch and Fenix lmao.
when i first saw rebirth i was like god damn this guy is the coach? JESUS this kid is something else im barely younger than josh but man that attitude and ego, fucking love it as a fly in the wall but ik it's hot garbage working with that person. Piglet wasn't worth keeping for this year should've dropped his ass. The person I feel the worst for is Fenix, dom literally said what I felt on the first watch, if piglet wasn't his teammate maybe Fenix could be greater longer bc he def picked up his bad habits
Lourlo is a nice guy :D
33:18 Agree the coach seems to just be waiting to answer not actually listen.
1:31:55 bro Dardoch is so damn funny wtf lol
Your vids are the only reason i still watch competitive. Thanks dude.