My understanding is that for centuries, infants who died at birth (or were miscarried) were quite often secreted in other people's coffins because, since they were unbaptised, they could not legally be buried in consecrated ground.
Yes. Some years ago now, I regularly visited a former colleague of my father, with my parents. She was a lovely older women who lived in a huge house that had once been a Doctors Practice in Bristol, England, long before the NHS. Her father had bought the practice and the house when she was a child, circa 1930s, and so she inherited it from him. When work was done on the courtyard of the house they discovered a well, and inside the well were the bones of multiple babies and pre-term foetuses. In the UK, at least, it was common to put stillborn, miscarried, aborted, and even sometimes simply unwanted, babies in unused or dry wells.
About the grandson, I was watching a video made by a funeral director earlier this year and she mentioned that she often places infants with adults in the mortuary so as to not leave them alone.
What a life this man lived. To have the grandson buried with him must have given the parents much relief. I’m glad they didn’t bury him but instead put him behind the clock. Hello, I’m from Mississippi and got your magazine. I have not read it yet but will this weekend with a cup of tea next to me.
What an insightful expose Allan! I always learn something new. It seems the Danish/Swedish burial practice worked in Bishop Peder Winstrup's favour. The use of aromatic herbs, still preserved, seems to have been essential in his preservation, despite the insects! His features and clothing are still so distinct after such a long time. The tender inclusion of his grandson is so touching. Very fitting that they still lie together above ground in the cathedral. Fascinating as always.
What a well-preserved bishop! His beard and gloves are almost perfect, and how wonderful, to have all the mixed plant remains in the coffin, too...thanks for not interrupting the story with a channel ad near the start, by the way: I understand everyone has to sell themselves nowadays but I wasn't liking that at all.
It is a case of bald economics - I offer my videos for free on TH-cam. However, I have a wife and three children to support, and the channel ad helps increase my reach and subscriptions, which, in turn, allows me to put food on the table and continue to research, write and make more videos for free.
Its awe-inspiring and grounding to see that old portrait,then to see the physical person himself. There is something rather beautiful about it, though I can't quite articulate what it is. The herbs mentioned would assist sleep and help releive respiratory blockage and phlegm,so maybe it was the bedding where he spent his final days.
Thank you so much for this. What a magnificent cathedral and crypt that is, and what a remarkable preservation. How touching that the grandson was buried there too, a moving little story sensitively told, thank you.
My Grandmother told me that her baby brother who only lived about an hour after birth was buried in the coffin of a lady who was unrelated and unknown to their family. This was around 1926. She said she was about seven years old at the time and that her Mother had told her that the lady would look after the baby as she had been a mother herself. He isn’t named on the headstone and I doubt he would be even listed in the grave records. It seemed like he was just slipped into the coffin by the undertakers.
That was a very interesting and poignant video. The preparers of the bodies had no inkling that their efforts would be looked upon again in 340 some odd years. It’s just remarkable! Thank you for the video.
I just want to remark, how funny the pictures of the experts lifting the coffin lid off is. Looks just like a modern rendition of that one engraving of the antiquaries lifting the lid of the coffin of king Edward. I guess antiquaries are the same ever since.
I wasn't all too surprised to see the baby in with Bishop Winstrup! My own great-great-great-great-grandfather, whose name was Harry Smith, died in 1914, and is the eternal guardian of a nine-hour old boy whose name was Richard Lees; his family and ours may have had some connection, or they may have had none - that, I suspect, is far more likely - but I like to think these two gentlemen are very well acquainted by now! Anyway, I love things like this - they remind us that these were real people, who saw and heard and spoke, and thought, and felt, and pondered, and wondered, and mumbled and grumbled when life got on top of them, and stopped to savour the beauty of an incredible sunrise from time to time. They lived.
Besides the practicality of burying the grandchild in with the Bishop, I'd like to think the parents hoped the grandfather would "take care" of her in death. 😥On a side note, the Lund astronomical clock was really cool looking. Thanks ♑
Your video was a new one on my feed, and I found your narration to be very well done. The story was both interesting and historically fascinating. I subscribed so I wouldn't miss another video. Thank you!
A very well preserved mummy in spite of being buried with all his internal organs in place--what we would call "freeze-dried" now. Thank you for the informative video, I always learn something new on your channel.
Thank you, Allan. I marvel at your discovery and elucidation of these fascinating bits of history be it British, Danish/Swedish, or anything in between. The preservation of the bishop's body has much to say about the conditions at the time and the efficacy of plant material in helping with that preservation.
As always, Allan, you provide such wonderful documentaries. Interesting, incredibly good and some glorious pictures. Would he have been incorrupt?? Stay safe, dear friend ♥️🇬🇧
Fascinating as always, Dr Barton. My own maternal grandmother lost an infant child (i.e., one of my uncles) and his remains were buried in the same grave as his own maternal grandmother, who had died young. Later, they were joined by my maternal grandfather and an inscription commemorating the infants own uncle, who was lost in action on the Somme, is also included on the gravestone.
I always love your videos. I saved this one to right before I go to sleep. Your voice is so soothing that I relax and am ready to sleep. Thank you for another fascinating video. This bishop looks great, considering how long he has been deceased and the grandson in there with him is so touching.
What an interesting and touching story (and what a beautiful cathedral). And while I'm sure those herbed-up pillows were indeed meant to stave off the scents of decay, I would very much like them for my own decay-free bed, please.
I understand that it was considered an act of mercy to bury an unbaptized infant with any Christian as unbaptized persons could not be buried in consecrated ground otherwise.
Excellent video and absolutely fascinating how modern medicine and equipment can tell us so much about a man who died 330 odd years ago. A very interesting glimpse into the past.
While I find it fascinating, it also bothers me that we uncover people from their eternal resting places. They even removed his burial clothing and took him out of the coffin to examine him.
So about that Danish pronunciation you asked for in your last video (in that one I would have simply recommended Forvo): when we are talking about Peders (and Pedersens) who are this old, I feel rather confident in saying that we are dealing with the infamous Danish soft d. The infamy is unearned, since you only have to pronounce Peder (and his son Pedersen) as if the d were a 'th' from 'the.'
Whatever happened to ‘rest in peace?’ It saddens me to see the dead treated with such disrespect in this increasingly irreligious world. The bishop would have been horrified to have seen such prurient behaviour and disregard for Christian burial.
He wouldn't have been fazed at all. What you are expressing is in all respects a modern sentiment, and only recently part of the Christian tradition - and then primarily in the USA and UK. Christ himself was buried in a tomb designed to allow the decay of the body and then the collection of bones for placement in ossuaries or bone holes - a practice that still continues in Christian communities in the Middle East. Exhumation was a commonplace feature of Western Christian European mortuary tradition until the 19th century - it only ceased to be normal practice in the 1850s. What mattered to Christian people in the past was that they were laid to rest in consecrated ground, not that there human remains were undisturbed forever more. Watch this video where I explore this subject in more depth. th-cam.com/video/4s2LjpXGNZU/w-d-xo.html
I disagree entirely. “Rest in Peace” is about the soul, not the body. There is nothing wrong with learning through respectful study of the remains of anyone, no matter what their personal beliefs may have been. Professionals who carry out this type of research treat the subject with incredible care and sensitivity, returning the body to its original resting place once their investigations are complete. One must also remember that no one marched into the church and took the body by force. They were given permission by the clergy to carry out the study. If they had no problem with it, then why should you? 😢🤷♂️
I just have to point out that his name is pronounced wrong.. Peder is pronounced pretty much the same way as Peter. The only difference I noticed in my time living there (my Dad's from Denmark, so I had a bit of an in for temporary residency) was the accent.
Do we really need to disturb peoples graves? we should really let them rsst in ppeace I would hate to have people opening my coffin ..and having people gawping at me. Especially nowadays when people find the macarbre and deaths ..funny, exciting and entretaining..... ..without consent 9r thought for the dead. I always get angry when we dont respect the wishes of these people who have passed. Particularly Egypt, where tombs have been raided and stripped bare We need to stop this We dont need all this knowlegdge ... I thought it was a body found somewhere outside ...but its a priest who was safe in his coffin. Why open it? Even today i seem so many peoppe whipping cameras .and phones out instantly to record the sick ,dying , dead people at funerals etc.. People have become too desensitised to it all. I dont feel conservation needs to be done Just let the shells of peoples bodies deteriorate naturally Its even worst when people use embalming methods..... ..using plastic chemicals which destroys nature and earth. ..just for vanity reasons .
I have no time for embalming or for the bizarre American modes of preservation in steel and concrete. My personal preference would be for a natural burial - however, one day the earth will explode and my remains with all others will disappear. So, I can’t get hung up with the idea of being dug up for people to learn from me. Exhumation of the dead has been part of human culture since the very beginning and I have a number of videos on this practice. The idea that someone should ‘rest in peace’ in one grave is a 19th century response in the Anglophone world, to the hideousness of urban burial grounds and the shocking 18th century practice of body snatching for dissection. Partial exhumation and reuse of burial grounds has long been the general practice in Europe. I have a video about that too!
At 6:03 one of the investigators has let her mask slip below her nose. This infuriates me. It’s a big screw you to protocol and colleagues. The mask is admittedly less about damaging the corpse and more about not inhaling any contaminants. However this is a big flashing alarm to me. Arrogance at its worst. Apart from that…..great video.
Because it's traumatic and dangerous. High blood pressure, hemorrhaging and small pieces of placenta left behind that starts to rot and kills the mother.
The Protestants were not yet an ideology. The reformation had not occurred until after 1579 when MartinLuther posted his grievances. So, this church leaders were Catholic.
Luther posted his theses in 1517! The Lutheran church of Denmark was established in 1536. This bishop died in 1679! He was very Lutheran and not at all Catholic.
My understanding is that for centuries, infants who died at birth (or were miscarried) were quite often secreted in other people's coffins because, since they were unbaptised, they could not legally be buried in consecrated ground.
Yes. Some years ago now, I regularly visited a former colleague of my father, with my parents. She was a lovely older women who lived in a huge house that had once been a Doctors Practice in Bristol, England, long before the NHS. Her father had bought the practice and the house when she was a child, circa 1930s, and so she inherited it from him. When work was done on the courtyard of the house they discovered a well, and inside the well were the bones of multiple babies and pre-term foetuses. In the UK, at least, it was common to put stillborn, miscarried, aborted, and even sometimes simply unwanted, babies in unused or dry wells.
About the grandson, I was watching a video made by a funeral director earlier this year and she mentioned that she often places infants with adults in the mortuary so as to not leave them alone.
This is very common in my experience. From not leaving babies/children alone in the morgue all the way to burying them in the same grave as an adult.
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At is unreasonably moving.
What if she's left them with a closet p-e--dough? I know dead, but still…..?
What a life this man lived. To have the grandson buried with him must have given the parents much relief. I’m glad they didn’t bury him but instead put him behind the clock. Hello, I’m from Mississippi and got your magazine. I have not read it yet but will this weekend with a cup of tea next to me.
So touching. And I am grateful they took them out of the public eye.
How poignant about the baby. Being secretly put with Grandfather is so touching. ❤. Thanks for sharing. ❤❤❤❤❤
What an insightful expose Allan! I always learn something new. It seems the Danish/Swedish burial practice worked in Bishop Peder Winstrup's favour. The use of aromatic herbs, still preserved, seems to have been essential in his preservation, despite the insects! His features and clothing are still so distinct after such a long time. The tender inclusion of his grandson is so touching. Very fitting that they still lie together above ground in the cathedral. Fascinating as always.
Excellent, precise, and clear review of the subject.
Thank you.
Two of my infant daughters are buried at the feet of my father in law, although not in the same grave. This is a tradition of the ages.
Heartwarming that he's able to spend eternity with two of his granddaughters.
Love this! Grandpa and baby together forever
Stunning video, I'm curious if other luminaries buried like him in similar places up north have a similar remarkable state of preservation.
What a well-preserved bishop! His beard and gloves are almost perfect, and how wonderful, to have all the mixed plant remains in the coffin, too...thanks for not interrupting the story with a channel ad near the start, by the way: I understand everyone has to sell themselves nowadays but I wasn't liking that at all.
It is a case of bald economics - I offer my videos for free on TH-cam. However, I have a wife and three children to support, and the channel ad helps increase my reach and subscriptions, which, in turn, allows me to put food on the table and continue to research, write and make more videos for free.
Its awe-inspiring and grounding to see that old portrait,then to see the physical person himself. There is something rather beautiful about it, though I can't quite articulate what it is. The herbs mentioned would assist sleep and help releive respiratory blockage and phlegm,so maybe it was the bedding where he spent his final days.
Thank you so much for this. What a magnificent cathedral and crypt that is, and what a remarkable preservation. How touching that the grandson was buried there too, a moving little story sensitively told, thank you.
Stories such as this one reminds me we are not all...mindless twits. Blessings on all, vote blue. Please!
My Grandmother told me that her baby brother who only lived about an hour after birth was buried in the coffin of a lady who was unrelated and unknown to their family. This was around 1926. She said she was about seven years old at the time and that her Mother had told her that the lady would look after the baby as she had been a mother herself. He isn’t named on the headstone and I doubt he would be even listed in the grave records. It seemed like he was just slipped into the coffin by the undertakers.
You had me at "mummified bishop"! Utterly fascinating as always, Allan.
I’m Danish and had no idea! Many thanks
Me too, I have never heard of this, it is interesting. 😊
Almost 100k! Ive loved watching this channel grow! 🎉❤😊
Thanks Jill, it is getting there - you wouldn't believe how excited my youngest son Teddy is about it.
That was a very interesting and poignant video. The preparers of the bodies had no inkling that their efforts would be looked upon again in 340 some odd years. It’s just remarkable! Thank you for the video.
Thank you, Allan. I found the burial practices used with Winstrup's body amazing.
I just want to remark, how funny the pictures of the experts lifting the coffin lid off is. Looks just like a modern rendition of that one engraving of the antiquaries lifting the lid of the coffin of king Edward.
I guess antiquaries are the same ever since.
Isn’t it - you can sense the excitement!
@@allanbartoni found it a bit sad 10 people plus camera crew. Quite unnecessary
That is a magnificent looking coffin
A glorious object, worthy of a video in its own right.
@@allanbarton if you make it i'll watch it, your Chanel is great
Another splendid and fascinating video! Thanks Allan!
As always interesting and well worth watching.
Thank you.
I wasn't all too surprised to see the baby in with Bishop Winstrup! My own great-great-great-great-grandfather, whose name was Harry Smith, died in 1914, and is the eternal guardian of a nine-hour old boy whose name was Richard Lees; his family and ours may have had some connection, or they may have had none - that, I suspect, is far more likely - but I like to think these two gentlemen are very well acquainted by now! Anyway, I love things like this - they remind us that these were real people, who saw and heard and spoke, and thought, and felt, and pondered, and wondered, and mumbled and grumbled when life got on top of them, and stopped to savour the beauty of an incredible sunrise from time to time. They lived.
1914?
@@l00k69what i thought I'm 62 my great great great great grandfather was born around 1760
Yeah your family is having kids very young every generation, u put the wrong year or your lying lol
last 2 sentences 🥹
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If you give 20 years between them, & the OP is 20, the old fellow could have been born in 1884 & died at 30 in 1914. It can work. 🤔
RIP to both of them. 🙏
Despite your problems with names, this was so enjoyable.
Swedish historian👍
Besides the practicality of burying the grandchild in with the Bishop, I'd like to think the parents hoped the grandfather would "take care" of her in death. 😥On a side note, the Lund astronomical clock was really cool looking. Thanks ♑
I love learning about things like this. So fascinating
Very interesting! His body is amazingly preserved. Thanks for the video cheers🍻
You spoil us Dr Barton. Really enjoyed this thank you for your immaculately researched hard workx
Your video was a new one on my feed, and I found your narration to be very well done. The story was both interesting and historically fascinating. I subscribed so I wouldn't miss another video. Thank you!
Thank you, and welcome!
A very well preserved mummy in spite of being buried with all his internal organs in place--what we would call "freeze-dried" now.
Thank you for the informative video, I always learn something new on your channel.
Great storytelling as usual👌
Obviously they had gone to some trouble to help preserve his body, even though he was not eviscerated. Very interesting Alan. Thank you.
Very interesting thanks. 👍
Allan, another great video from you, thank you! The care and craftsmanship that you put into your productions are greatly appreciated!
Thank you, Allan. I marvel at your discovery and elucidation of these fascinating bits of history be it British, Danish/Swedish, or anything in between. The preservation of the bishop's body has much to say about the conditions at the time and the efficacy of plant material in helping with that preservation.
This video gets a 12/10 from me! Very high caliber and so well done Allan! Be proud of yourself!
Barried with his grandson. Together into eternity. ✝️
Wow that was an interesting episode Allan
Thank you Denise -,I’ve been sitting in this subject for about a year waiting to produce this video.
Well done Allan ! Very interesting and informative 😊
Thank you, that was very interesting.
This was really interesting! Great work!
Absolutely fascinating glimpse into the past and the customs they practiced. Thank you so much😊
Glad you appreciated it!
I really enjoyed your videos. Thank you 🙏
Fascinating! He is so well preserved that his skin is still white. Every mummy I have seen before had very dark, leathery skin.
Very interesting video,amazing condition😊
As always, Allan, you provide such wonderful documentaries. Interesting, incredibly good and some glorious pictures. Would he have been incorrupt?? Stay safe, dear friend ♥️🇬🇧
Thank you for yet another wonderful video!
I do wish they would stop moving people's tombs
Fascinating as usual, Allan. Thanks for uploading :)
This was very interesting. Especially the part about the grandson.
Glad you appreciated it!
Fascinating as always, Dr Barton. My own maternal grandmother lost an infant child (i.e., one of my uncles) and his remains were buried in the same grave as his own maternal grandmother, who had died young. Later, they were joined by my maternal grandfather and an inscription commemorating the infants own uncle, who was lost in action on the Somme, is also included on the gravestone.
I always love your videos. I saved this one to right before I go to sleep. Your voice is so soothing that I relax and am ready to sleep. Thank you for another fascinating video. This bishop looks great, considering how long he has been deceased and the grandson in there with him is so touching.
Thanks!
As always a fascinating and interesting video
This was so interesting, thank you
Very interesting video. Thanks so much for posting, regards, John.
What an interesting and touching story (and what a beautiful cathedral). And while I'm sure those herbed-up pillows were indeed meant to stave off the scents of decay, I would very much like them for my own decay-free bed, please.
Such beautiful illustrations.
Absolutely fascinating. Thanks Allan.
I understand that it was considered an act of mercy to bury an unbaptized infant with any Christian as unbaptized persons could not be buried in consecrated ground otherwise.
Excellent video and absolutely fascinating how modern medicine and equipment can tell us so much about a man who died 330 odd years ago. A very interesting glimpse into the past.
Thank you, Dr. Barton.
You are very welcome 😊
Very interesting as usual, thanks ❤
Glad you enjoyed it!
Excellent. Well done.
His body moves around more than I do!
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Very interesting! Thanks for sharing! Happy Fall everyone!
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Bishop Ramses
While I find it fascinating, it also bothers me that we uncover people from their eternal resting places. They even removed his burial clothing and took him out of the coffin to examine him.
Curiosity of eating habits, viruses and bacteria and whatever else they want to find out. Maybe extract dna for cloning
That's the way I used to look after a heavy night! Let the guy sleep 💤 it off.....
So about that Danish pronunciation you asked for in your last video (in that one I would have simply recommended Forvo): when we are talking about Peders (and Pedersens) who are this old, I feel rather confident in saying that we are dealing with the infamous Danish soft d. The infamy is unearned, since you only have to pronounce Peder (and his son Pedersen) as if the d were a 'th' from 'the.'
Amazing video
The Bishop was remarkably preserved!!
I'm trying to remain open minded that the 1600's is considered "Modern European"
In 1600 they considered themselves to be throughly modern.
fascinating, thank you
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you 🙏
RIP
And why could the coffin not remain where it was, I wonder
A very good question, I simply don't understand why they needed to move him, unless people's squeamishness couldn't deal with it.
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Thanks for the sub!
Eu gostei de ver o corpo bem preservado.
This is the first time I've heard of hyssop being used (after death) anywhere except for the Bible. I wonder if it was used because he was a Bishop?
Whatever happened to ‘rest in peace?’ It saddens me to see the dead treated with such disrespect in this increasingly irreligious world. The bishop would have been horrified to have seen such prurient behaviour and disregard for Christian burial.
He wouldn't have been fazed at all. What you are expressing is in all respects a modern sentiment, and only recently part of the Christian tradition - and then primarily in the USA and UK. Christ himself was buried in a tomb designed to allow the decay of the body and then the collection of bones for placement in ossuaries or bone holes - a practice that still continues in Christian communities in the Middle East. Exhumation was a commonplace feature of Western Christian European mortuary tradition until the 19th century - it only ceased to be normal practice in the 1850s. What mattered to Christian people in the past was that they were laid to rest in consecrated ground, not that there human remains were undisturbed forever more. Watch this video where I explore this subject in more depth. th-cam.com/video/4s2LjpXGNZU/w-d-xo.html
I disagree entirely. “Rest in Peace” is about the soul, not the body. There is nothing wrong with learning through respectful study of the remains of anyone, no matter what their personal beliefs may have been. Professionals who carry out this type of research treat the subject with incredible care and sensitivity, returning the body to its original resting place once their investigations are complete. One must also remember that no one marched into the church and took the body by force. They were given permission by the clergy to carry out the study. If they had no problem with it, then why should you? 😢🤷♂️
I just have to point out that his name is pronounced wrong.. Peder is pronounced pretty much the same way as Peter. The only difference I noticed in my time living there (my Dad's from Denmark, so I had a bit of an in for temporary residency) was the accent.
How will the technological revolution eventually effect the field?
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The å in skåne is pronounced like a surprised oh so skohne 👍
Did I miss something? Why is the date on the plinth 1638 - 1679 when he was born in 1605? 🧐
That was the year he was appointed bishop of Lund!
I believe it coincides with his ecclesiastical career since1638 marked his doctorate.
the roman catholics would have beatified this bishop because his body is what they call uncorrupted.
just google pede estonian meaning,its intresting name
Do we really need to disturb peoples graves?
we should really let them rsst in ppeace
I would hate to have people opening my coffin
..and having people gawping at me.
Especially nowadays when people find the macarbre and deaths
..funny, exciting and entretaining.....
..without consent 9r thought for the dead.
I always get angry when we dont respect the wishes of these people who have passed.
Particularly Egypt, where tombs have been raided and stripped bare
We need to stop this
We dont need all this knowlegdge ...
I thought it was a body found somewhere outside
...but its a priest who was safe in his coffin.
Why open it?
Even today i seem so many peoppe whipping cameras
.and phones out instantly to record the sick ,dying , dead people at funerals etc..
People have become too desensitised to it all.
I dont feel conservation needs to be done
Just let the shells of peoples bodies deteriorate naturally
Its even worst when people use embalming methods.....
..using plastic chemicals which destroys nature and earth.
..just for vanity reasons .
I have no time for embalming or for the bizarre American modes of preservation in steel and concrete. My personal preference would be for a natural burial - however, one day the earth will explode and my remains with all others will disappear. So, I can’t get hung up with the idea of being dug up for people to learn from me. Exhumation of the dead has been part of human culture since the very beginning and I have a number of videos on this practice. The idea that someone should ‘rest in peace’ in one grave is a 19th century response in the Anglophone world, to the hideousness of urban burial grounds and the shocking 18th century practice of body snatching for dissection. Partial exhumation and reuse of burial grounds has long been the general practice in Europe. I have a video about that too!
At 6:03 one of the investigators has let her mask slip below her nose. This infuriates me. It’s a big screw you to protocol and colleagues. The mask is admittedly less about damaging the corpse and more about not inhaling any contaminants. However this is a big flashing alarm to me. Arrogance at its worst. Apart from that…..great video.
A great unknown recipe for hummus?
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"There's a dead bishop on the landing, dad !" 😂
Why did so many women die on child birth? I mean why was it so common before modern times?
Because it's traumatic and dangerous. High blood pressure, hemorrhaging and small pieces of placenta left behind that starts to rot and kills the mother.
@@shellbythesea12Exactly right.
Giving birth is still one of the most dangerous things a woman can go through.
He could use a little jerkins lotion 🤕
The Protestants were not yet an ideology. The reformation had not occurred until after 1579 when MartinLuther posted his grievances. So, this church leaders were Catholic.
Luther posted his theses in 1517! The Lutheran church of Denmark was established in 1536. This bishop died in 1679! He was very Lutheran and not at all Catholic.
He’s in the coffin, still saying he wants lapis lazuli for his tomb.
Bishop of Lund, died in childbirth
The amusing thing is that no matter what the burial practices were and how well his body was preserved, he is still; dead. LOL