The Making and Opening of the Tomb of King John
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- When King John died in 1216 he was unlamented by his nobles and the populace. He was brought to Worcester Cathedral for burial and in the 1230s a tomb was erected over his grave by his son Henry III. In this video I explore the difficult last years of his reign, how and where died, the reason for his burial in Worcester. I look at the construction and reconstruction of his tomb and look at the opening of the tomb in 1529 and 1797 and what insights this provides about his burial.
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How fascinating and careful account of King John, his death, and burial. I tend to agree that John was not so bad as history has made him out to be, but something of a victim of his time. In any case, you have done us all a huge favour with this video, Allan. Many thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I am decended from King John, & his mother, Eleanor. My older son is a genealogist.
Mmmm, I do wonder, but certainly the French continued to claim England and the nobility in England were half French with a vested interest. Both Richard and John had injurious rates of taxation which were complained about. And then there is the little matter of Arthur, so able administrator he may have been but it did not help. It was not uncommon for monarchs to secure their position in relation to familial threats, but I fear he learned little from his father.
What chance did he have inheriting what he inherited and in the time he inherited it. This was not a time of subtle politics and kindness. @@leoroverman4541
@@allanbarton I'm not disagreeing, that's what I'm trying to say. Arthur was perceived as a threat and was dealt with accordingly, that threat was French driven.
It is always wonderful when we are given the realistic look at this "Bad King"; You presented him as a flesh and blood man. Thank You.
I've always had a soft spot for King John ever since I read this poem (and absolutely loved it as a child). So I'm very pleased to hear he was properly honoured in death.
Thank you Allan, seems like a visit to Worcester will figure this year.
King John's Christmas
King John was not a good man --
He had his little ways.
And sometimes no one spoke to him
For days and days and days.
And men who came across him,
When walking in the town,
Gave him a supercilious stare,
Or passed with noses in the air --
And bad King John stood dumbly there,
Blushing beneath his crown.
King John was not a good man,
And no good friends had he.
He stayed in every afternoon...
But no one came to tea.
And, round about December,
The cards upon his shelf
Which wished him lots of Christmas cheer,
And fortune in the coming year,
Were never from his near and dear,
But only from himself.
King John was not a good man,
Yet had his hopes and fears.
They'd given him no present now
For years and years and years.
But every year at Christmas,
While minstrels stood about,
Collecting tribute from the young
For all the songs they might have sung,
He stole away upstairs and hung
A hopeful stocking out.
King John was not a good man,
He lived his live aloof;
Alone he thought a message out
While climbing up the roof.
He wrote it down and propped it
Against the chimney stack:
"TO ALL AND SUNDRY - NEAR AND FAR -
F. Christmas in particular."
And signed it not "Johannes R."
But very humbly, "Jack."
"I want some crackers,
And I want some candy;
I think a box of chocolates
Would come in handy;
I don't mind oranges,
I do like nuts!
And I SHOULD like a pocket-knife
That really cuts.
And, oh! Father Christmas, if you love me at all,
Bring me a big, red, india-rubber ball!"
King John was not a good man --
He wrote this message out,
And gat him to this room again,
Descending by the spout.
And all that night he lay there,
A prey to hopes and fears.
"I think that's him a-coming now!"
(Anxiety bedewed his brow.)
"He'll bring one present, anyhow --
The first I had for years."
"Forget about the crackers,
And forget the candy;
I'm sure a box of chocolates
Would never come in handy;
I don't like oranges,
I don't want nuts,
And I HAVE got a pocket-knife
That almost cuts.
But, oh! Father Christmas, if you love me at all,
Bring me a big, red, india-rubber ball!"
King John was not a good man,
Next morning when the sun
Rose up to tell a waiting world
That Christmas had begun,
And people seized their stockings,
And opened them with glee,
And crackers, toys and games appeared,
And lips with sticky sweets were smeared,
King John said grimly: "As I feared,
Nothing again for me!"
"I did want crackers,
And I did want candy;
I know a box of chocolates
Would come in handy;
I do love oranges,
I did want nuts!
And, oh! if Father Christmas, had loved me at all,
He would have brought a big, red,
india-rubber ball!"
King John stood by the window,
And frowned to see below
The happy bands of boys and girls
All playing in the snow.
A while he stood there watching,
And envying them all ...
When through the window big and red
There hurtled by his royal head,
And bounced and fell upon the bed,
An india-rubber ball!
AND, OH, FATHER CHRISTMAS,
MY BLESSINGS ON YOU FALL
FOR BRINGING HIM
A BIG, RED,
INDIA-RUBBER
BALL!
A. A. Milne
My 25th great grandfather knew King John I of England personally. My 25th great grandfather not only knew King John I personally, he also had floor length hair. My 25th great grandfather was absolutely devastated when King John I died at age 49 in late 1216. My 25th great grandfather mourned the death of King John I of England for decades. May they rest together in peace. 💐🌷🌹🌺🌸🌼
@@kashfiaislam9995 FOXTROT OSCAR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
William Marshall ( The Greatest Knight) stood by King John so that's good enough for me.
@@lazyhazeldaisy9596 My 25th great grandfather knew King John I of England personally. My 25th great grandfather not only knew King John I personally, he also had floor length hair. My 25th great grandfather was absolutely devastated when King John I died at age 49 in late 1216. My 25th great grandfather mourned the death of King John I of England for decades. May they rest together in peace. 💐🌷🌹🌺🌸🌼
Coif-gate amazed me.
I knew that the coif was worn by all sorts of high and mighty folk - the metal in crowns and in mitres can be nasty on the forehead. At school we were taught that King John (“a bad king”) was buried in the habit of a Franciscan friar, and between two saints, so much was either his awareness of a grim reign and/or of his piety.
I could understand my teacher’s point, but something niggled within me on this issue.
So, thank you for highlighting this cause of much dissension in a bleak Lancashire Grammar School. Arguments on such points may once have lead to bloodshed!
He's not the worst king, he's just the best king he could be...
Well put. I get a little tired of the Veneration of the Magna Carta. It did Nothing for the ordinary man, and was more about a bunch of over entitled individuals demanding more. Nothing changes does it? I think that for his day John was probably as good as they allowed him to be. He was certainly better than the 'saintly' Lionheart, who spent only 6 months in England, but treated it as his own personal piggy bank. John was left with that mess. He also had to raise the money to get spoiled boy ransomed. I suspect if you were a serf, life under John was actually marginally better. Until the Barons put a stop to that kind of nonsense!
Murdered his nephew the rightful heir Arthur
My 25th great grandfather knew King John I of England personally. My 25th great grandfather not only knew King John I personally, he also had floor length hair. My 25th great grandfather was absolutely devastated when King John I died at age 49 in late 1216. My 25th great grandfather mourned the death of King John I of England for decades. May they rest together in peace. 💐🌷🌹🌺🌸🌼
It was not intended to benefit the ordinary man! The barons were hoping not to be drawn into abritrary wars. Ordinary men were represented by Town Councillors not barons. The serfs were tied to estates which changed hands from time to time and they appealed for protection to their lords , some of whom were barons. These were not the Saxon Laws but since 1066.that was how things were administered. @@hogwashmcturnip8930
@@kashfiaislam9995 Nursey s calling.Off you go and get your meds.
You're an excellent narrator, Allan. I find the history of King John fascinating, thank you, greetings from Australia.
Thanks very much, glad you enjoyed it!
@@allanbarton, I would imagine that the amount of research you have done for the videos is time-consuming. Many thanks again.
My 25th great grandfather knew King John I of England personally. My 25th great grandfather not only knew King John I personally, he also had floor length hair. My 25th great grandfather was absolutely devastated when King John I died at age 49 in late 1216. My 25th great grandfather mourned the death of King John I of England for decades. May they rest together in peace. 💐🌷🌹🌺🌸🌼
Having been born and bred in Worcester and visited King John's tomb many times I can only thank you for an excellent, informative video I so enjoyed watching also as a resident of the Faithfull City I now have a far better understanding of King John , definitely in my saved folder . Many thanks and well done.
Glad you appreciated it!
The thing that's always struck me about John is how William Marshall stuck by him. Now whilst there's a tsunami of negative opinion about John, there's a similar amount of positive opinion about Marshall. We know Marshall appears to have been a hugely influential politician throughout the late Angevin period and was loyal to Young King Henry, Richard and John in turn.
He appears to have been hugely important in bringing the King and his rebellious barons together at Runnemede.
Now here's the thing: if John was so utterly useless and despicable, why would a man like William, whose reputation continues to shine through the centuries, continue to stand by him? Chivalry? Duty? Or was it because he understood the impossible scenario John was in?
Millions of modern Britons are descended from both John and William Marshall (great grandfather of Robert the Bruce) which makes it personal for many of us.
If I could meet one person from history it would be William Marshall. I'd love to see the real man behind all the positive stories and comments.
I am descended from both John and William Marshall
@ludovica8221 hello cousin!
Possibly out of sense of loyalty to the English crown and not wanting to see a prolonged civil war. Memories of the Anarchy must still have been repeated.
I visited this church years ago and also saw the tomb. I didn’t know the story behind it so thank you for the explanation. I now have a completely different view of King John. Martha
Glad you appreciated this!
My 25th great grandfather knew King John I of England personally. My 25th great grandfather not only knew King John I personally, he also had floor length hair. My 25th great grandfather was absolutely devastated when King John I died at age 49 in late 1216. My 25th great grandfather mourned the death of King John I of England for decades. May they rest together in peace. 💐🌷🌹🌺🌸🌼
@@kashfiaislam9995
Sure, sure. 😂
This blew me away. Thank you for revealing so many details that we all want to discover.
I enjoy so much the historical facts of these monarchs. I’m not a Hollywood fan of their interpretations. You obviously put so many hours into these searches. Thank you so much! I recently purchased a couple of earlier The Antiquary magazine. Just beautiful and very interesting. Well done!
Glad you enjoyed the magazine, and thanks for watching!
My 25th great grandfather knew King John I of England personally. My 25th great grandfather not only knew King John I personally, he also had floor length hair. My 25th great grandfather was absolutely devastated when King John I died at age 49 in late 1216. My 25th great grandfather mourned the death of King John I of England for decades. May they rest together in peace. 💐🌷🌹🌺🌸🌼
I can't help feeling vaguely offended on his behalf at all the depredations and still wanting to have the whole thing open again to have it adequately analyzed. Great video as ever.
May I say that,since royalty are one of the privileged to have an embalming & a grave/monument like these ones, it might be just ‘human curiosity ‘ to want to open them after so many years?They are a part of history so maybe that ‘comes with the job’? I mean, the bodies of us normal folks aren’t treated with the respect they had and still have?
Another fascinating video. My bias against king John was due to watching too many Robin Hood films. Good to hear about the real King John 😊
It’s hard for the fans of King John to compete with Errol Flynn.
This is opposite world.
My 25th great grandfather knew King John I of England personally. My 25th great grandfather not only knew King John I personally, he also had floor length hair. My 25th great grandfather was absolutely devastated when King John I died at age 49 in late 1216. My 25th great grandfather mourned the death of King John I of England for decades. May they rest together in peace. 💐🌷🌹🌺🌸🌼
@@ericsonhazeltine5064 My 25th great grandfather knew King John I of England personally. My 25th great grandfather not only knew King John I personally, he also had floor length hair. My 25th great grandfather was absolutely devastated when King John I died at age 49 in late 1216. My 25th great grandfather mourned the death of King John I of England for decades. May they rest together in peace. 💐🌷🌹🌺🌸🌼
@@theoryofpersonality1420 My 25th great grandfather knew King John I of England personally. My 25th great grandfather not only knew King John I personally, he also had floor length hair. My 25th great grandfather was absolutely devastated when King John I died at age 49 in late 1216. My 25th great grandfather mourned the death of King John I of England for decades. May they rest together in peace. 💐🌷🌹🌺🌸🌼
Absolutely fascinating. Once again Allan brings us a quirky interesting piece of History. I can thoroughly recommend his magazine the Antiquary. Thank you for posting ❤
Thanks very much, glad you enjoyed the video!
Since my mother was born in Martley - a small village 10 miles West of Wocester - I've had occasion to visit Worcester Cathedral and have seen the tomb of St. John. The cathedral is very beautiful as it sits next to the Severn.
Of course, I meant KING John.
Thank you for another fascinating video. There are so many scurrilous stories about John, not all of which are likely accurate. At least his burial was kingly.
Kind of sad he was disturbed so many times after death.
I’ve just finished Unruly by Alan Mitchell. Brief histories of the rulers of England from the early Saxon rulers to Queen Elizabeth I. Very funny but interesting perspectives and decent history. A nice diversion 😮
Thankyou .I love history
I had read that he lost his treasure whilst facing pursuit in some Norfolk/Lincolnshire marshland that is now the Wash. What joy it would be to find it, albeit the Crown (Treasury) would claim it for sure. If any town in England deserves the prefix 'Royal' it is Newark(-on-Trent), a fine town, the last hold-out of the Royalists in the Civil War.
Fantastic video as usual! Your channel is a treasure and I greatly enjoyed learning about this misunderstood man. Thank you again for illuminating the shadowy medieval era that so fascinates myself and many others. You really make history come alive. Greetings from northern Florida!
Thank you very much! I'm so glad you're enjoying my videos!
My 25th great grandfather knew King John I of England personally. My 25th great grandfather not only knew King John I personally, he also had floor length hair. My 25th great grandfather was absolutely devastated when King John I died at age 49 in late 1216. My 25th great grandfather mourned the death of King John I of England for decades. May they rest together in peace. 💐🌷🌹🌺🌸🌼
John certainly had style. Look at the jaunty angle of his crown in that first portrait!
The Plantagenets in general had style- they cut a swathe through history.
I liked that too- looked like he'd just got back from a good party.
I don’t know why, but John has held an affinity with me. From birth, he obviously knew he wouldn’t have what his elder brothers had, but fate brought that on. John was an excellent administrator & was fascinated with law. Because he had lost lands in France….something which would have gone sooner or later…he stayed much more in England (to the annoyance of the barons). He also showed he could be as swift as his father when his mother, Eleanor of Aquitaine was under siege & rescued her. Many thanks for your upload!
My 25th great grandfather knew King John I of England personally. My 25th great grandfather not only knew King John I personally, he also had floor length hair. My 25th great grandfather was absolutely devastated when King John I died at age 49 in late 1216. My 25th great grandfather mourned the death of King John I of England for decades. May they rest together in peace. 💐🌷🌹🌺🌸🌼
Love your videos, Dr. Barton. Thanks.
Thank you Nina.
I think it's fascinating that we have so much information about individuals who actually lived such a very long time ago. To actually know where they are buried. For the most part, in my family, anyone born and died before the 18th century, we know who they were, have no idea where they are buried.
Excellent video! Thank you for your hard work on this.
My pleasure, it is such a fascinating subject.
That was such an interesting video. I'm descended from John so I'm always interested in watching videos about him, or more importantly his mother.
Glad you appreciated this!
I’m a descendant too, Sandra - obviously there’s quite a few of us about! 😊
Lots of us decendents of the Royals
My 25th great grandfather knew King John I of England personally. My 25th great grandfather not only knew King John I personally, he also had floor length hair. My 25th great grandfather was absolutely devastated when King John I died at age 49 in late 1216. My 25th great grandfather mourned the death of King John I of England for decades. May they rest together in peace. 💐🌷🌹🌺🌸🌼
@@tbolt2948 My 25th great grandfather knew King John I of England personally. My 25th great grandfather not only knew King John I personally, he also had floor length hair. My 25th great grandfather was absolutely devastated when King John I died at age 49 in late 1216. My 25th great grandfather mourned the death of King John I of England for decades. May they rest together in peace. 💐🌷🌹🌺🌸🌼
Gee wiz. This was fascinating. My mind is stuck on treasure hunters finding that crown!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Why folk have an urge to open tombs is beyond me. Mind you it's been done for centuries. Thanks for a fascinating video.
Because its fascinating ? lol.
And wonderful scientific knowledge
They needed the space. or were doing building renovations, I expect
Very interesting to learn about why King John was buried at Worcester and how his tomb ended up with such a prominent position within the cathedral. Given that he was never expected to be king and that he inherited a mess of an empire, he never stood much chance of being a stellar sovereign. Thanks as always for teaching me something!
My 25th great grandfather knew King John I of England personally. My 25th great grandfather not only knew King John I personally, he also had floor length hair. My 25th great grandfather was absolutely devastated when King John I died at age 49 in late 1216. My 25th great grandfather mourned the death of King John I of England for decades. May they rest together in peace. 💐🌷🌹🌺🌸🌼
@@kashfiaislam9995 You Sir are a bloody nuisance. Go away!!!!!!!!!!.
It's amazing how many of the features in the (Ordnance Survey?) map @6:30 can be discerned in the LIDAR image at right: the roadways, stone walls, the Abbey's foundations (and burial ground?), and the Park House, . The Fish Ponds, and structures associated with the Spring, the Tithe Barn, and associated fence/stone wall lines are also evident. Boy, I know where I'd like to do my Archaeology research. Is that the remnants of a Motte & Bailey fort on the high ground to the west of the Fish Ponds???
Thanks for this very informative and wonderfully researched work. I have often wondered which English King has the earliest surviving tomb. I remember a story that during Henry III's reign bones thought to be those of the legendary King Arthur were found and later ceremoniously re-interred by his son Edward I at Glastonbury Abbey. I may have some of those details wrong, but I was wondering if that re-interment is still extant and whether any study has ever been done to discover the veracity of the tale. I know that King Arthur is considered a legend and not reliable history, but Edward I certainly existed and appeared convinced that the bones were genuine. Just wondering. Thanks or another great video!
Video coming on that in due course, it is fascinating.
Very interesting
Thank you
Excellent production and presentation. Thanks.
Thank you kindly!
That was fascinating, especially as I’ve just returned from a weekend at Worcester where I was part of a visiting choir singing the weekend services at the Cathedral. I hadn’t realised that his tomb hadn’t always been situated before the high altar.
A really interesting and well presented account thank you. And for anyone who might be thinking about it- the Antiquary magazine is beautifully produced and a joy to receive every month.
Thank you very much - glad you like the monthly comic!
Lynn did not receive the appellation "King's" until the reign of Henry VIII. Prior to this it was known as Len Episcopi (Bishop's Lynn).
Indeed so, but it would be confusing to have talked about a place using an older appellation. I should do a video about King's Lynn, such an interesting palce.
I have wondered why the area close to where I reside in Westmere, Auckland, is called Grey Lynn and West Lynn. It is clear that the French and English colonisers were carrying their long long emnity into this New Zealander. Poor Lacklander. He really was a pawn who made it right across the board of the Chess game of his day. Once again a superbly researched and dispassionately presented video.
I’m always appalled at the disrespectful way some royal bodies have been treat over the years, thus allowing their grave goods & body parts to be removed. Great video though 👍
Thank you for another fascinating slice of history. The moment that brought me up short was the photo of the leicestershire field where you suggest his heart and viscera were. It made me think how many remains there must be under the ground on former battlefields as well as under long gone monasteries and abbeys. Imperial Caesar, dead and turned to clay!
Thank you for such an interesting programme. Worcester was our county town, we grew up in the area.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you for a great video.
I always enjoy your fascinating videos. Thank you.
This is a marvelous channel. Thank you .
Thank you very much, glad you're enjoying it!
My college professor used to quote to us passages about King John from a book entitled "The Bedside Book of Bastards". In the 40 years since then I've never read anything that made me think he did not deserve to be included in that book.
My 23x Great Grandad! ,, Thank you so much for this! I didnt know Beaulieu Abbey was first choice (I live very near there) but inlight of the Dissolution, its better he was in a cathedral, or there would be nothing now to see
My 25th great grandfather knew King John I of England personally. My 25th great grandfather not only knew King John I personally, he also had floor length hair. My 25th great grandfather was absolutely devastated when King John I died at age 49 in late 1216. My 25th great grandfather mourned the death of King John I of England for decades. May they rest together in peace. 💐🌷🌹🌺🌸🌼
Wonderful as always.
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it!
Wonderful as we've come to expect bravo🎉🎉
Wonderful! I knew most of this information already, but this beautifully drawn together!
Glad you enjoyed it 😊
Excellent! Really enjoyed this episode. Looking forward to part 2
Fascinating. And nicely done.
Many thanks!
Hi Allan! Your research yielded some interesting bits indeed. Nice work!
It was in a very round about way that I found your channel, but I am thoroughly enjoying your videos, thank you for posting them.
Thanking you for all your amazing videos.Love them all. Patricia
You're very welcome, glad you're enjoying them!
King john is my 26th Great grandfather, 70+ seperatly over. I felt sorry for King John ❤
So what so are the other millions of People related to him🤔
My 25th great grandfather knew King John I of England personally. My 25th great grandfather not only knew King John I personally, he also had floor length hair. My 25th great grandfather was absolutely devastated when King John I died at age 49 in late 1216. My 25th great grandfather mourned the death of King John I of England for decades. May they rest together in peace. 💐🌷🌹🌺🌸🌼
@@kashfiaislam9995 wow that's amazing thank you for sharing z
@@goonerstu35hopkins45 indeed but can they prove it though
@@kashfiaislam9995 Me personally I can't go back that far as there is so little evidence to back it up.
Your videos are chock full of interesting details and bits of history that have my attention from the start. Thank you.
Glad you're enjoying my channel!
I love when you touch on the eerie, macabre bits of history. This is what drew me to your channel initially. Much love and admiration from America 💜
Thanks very much, glad you liked this!
Wonderful video, thanks
Allan, I absolutely love your content and the obvious amount of research that must go into each video. I’d love if you’d consider a video focused on the history of ‘cloth of gold’… seems like there must be a lot there given it’s prominence in ceremonies and funeral shrouds. Thanks!
Yay! Good morning Dr Barton!
Good morning!
@@allanbartonI was finally able to take out a subscription to the monthly publication! I’m so excited 😊
@@thesparkypilot bless you, thank you - I really hope you enjoy it!
King John is my 24 x Great Grandfather, confirmed by the same company that did the research on BBC programme, who do you think you are. I have visited his tomb and the cathedral is beautiful. May not of been the best King but it is what it is. Proud of my royal blood and Saint Margaret of Scotland is also one of my Great Grandmothers.
It’s funny royal lineages work. Usually a royal is going to have more than one descendant, but the crown passes over time. Thus the latter progeny becomes more and more diffuse.
Excellent work Allan. Thank you. Worcester is on my list for a visit. No not a fan of John. Prince Arthur is the ultimate what if? ⭐️
Thank you. I am not sure there is a single medieval English monarch that is particularly appealing. The life of a king was one of survival against all odds it seems.
I love your videos.
That's great to hear, thanks for watching!
So interesting. John is my 23rd Great Grandfather. While I live in the States, I've been to some of the ancient Plantagenet tombs just to say "Hi."
Are so are the other millions of People 😂
@@goonerstu35hopkins45 - Yes, indeed they are. Although most can't trace the line, or even care to.
@@dscottsw1 Fair comment 😊
What a fabulous video, I really enjoyed it. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching 😊
Wonderful history telling thank you
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video. Thanks.
Glad you liked it!
most interesting!
Hi Alan, happy new year from Dublin. Many thanks for another great video. I've always had a lot of symapathy for John so thanks for adding to my knowledge of him. Looking forward as always to your next posting
Happy new year! Glad you liked the video 😊
Yes, I’m another one who has more favourable view of John than some historians would adhere to; but as a direct (blood) descendant of his and the Plantagenets, maybe it’s my duty! 😂 Thank you for such an interesting and in-depth video.
Amazing vídeo
Thanks very much!
Wahey! Nice! Visited Worcester not that long ago. 😊
It’s a fascinating city, did you see the tomb?
@@allanbarton I did indeed and learnt about the history behind it: very absorbing! Look forward to this one when I get around to it. Thank you for your content. 🙂
Wow! I just watched your analysis of King John! This is fascinating history. I just purchased several of your digital and print journals. I can’t wait to read this month’s article on King Edward IV. He’s my favorite English King.
I recently found a book printed in 1935 by George Smith about the coronation of Queen Consort Elizabeth Wydeville. It’s a contemporary account of her coronation and banquet. It’s a fascinating little book.
Thank you for the fascinating insight into King Johns life, death and final resting place.
Very interesting stuff. really gets you to be in a reflective mood.
Glad you appreciated this!
to have your father, who could give you any lands he wanted, call you lack land
christmas must have been fun with these guys
(see: Lion in Winter for some fun fan fiction)
Hi Allen, I just found your cannel today... I've been binge watching ever since... Cheers bro...
Welcome, I’m glad you are enjoying them!
Thank you Allan for a fascinating talk on King John, I have read a great deal on this King and he has been given a raw deal from history. I found this enthralling such a shame isn't it that people just have to desecrate graves.
I love the jaunty tilt of his crown
I have a lot of sympathy for John
My 25th great grandfather knew King John I of England personally. My 25th great grandfather not only knew King John I personally, he also had floor length hair. My 25th great grandfather was absolutely devastated when King John I died at age 49 in late 1216. My 25th great grandfather mourned the death of King John I of England for decades. May they rest together in peace. 💐🌷🌹🌺🌸🌼
Thanks, Allan!
My pleasure 😊
Oh my I seem to have found myself in a new rabbithole.
Good content!
Glad you enjoyed!
Well done Sir
Thanks =. That was interesting
Glad you enjoyed it!
Allan, thanks for this thorough account of the much maligned King John. That any of his skeletal remains have survived 800 years is a miracle in itself. The tendency for people to want to take a souvenir seems embedded in human nature. Perhaps guilt (or 'bad luck' which may have followed the desecration of a King's remains) got the better of some explaining why a few teeth and a thumb bone were returned to the cathedral! I very much appreciate the detail, thought and research you put into these videos. Many thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it!
A surfeit of peaches sounds a lot more pleasant than a surfeit of lampreys.
I think so, I wonder if along the line there has been some translation error as both are part of the tradition.
Excellent commentary thank you. I cant resist saying (in case no one else has below) that I was under the impression King John had died from a 'surfeit of lamphreys'!
Wasn't William the conqueror buried in Caen? I might be wrong but i went there last year . All thats buried is a Femur as the grave was desecrated in the French revolution .
Minor point i know , great vid as usual .
He was indeed! My memory must be getting poor. Yes very little of him left, they did a thorough job. There's not much left of the Plantagents at Fontrevaud either.
OK....need a little help here. I heard the mention of the Temple Church and the figures on the floor identified as "tombs". I have also heard that these same items were "memorials" as they had no human remains interred beneath them. Anybody know of a resource that can resolve this? Help?
If my research is correct, I’m a descendent of King John, so I have a certain fascination with him.
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King John was basically a scapegoat. Maybe he could have humbled himself before Philip but that would probably have been too much to ask.
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I like finding knowing more about monarchs I am descended from. King John is one of the last in my family. I take some pride in him being the one that signed the Magna Carte, maybe under duress, but he signed it.
My 25th great grandfather knew King John I of England personally. My 25th great grandfather not only knew King John I personally, he also had floor length hair. My 25th great grandfather was absolutely devastated when King John I died at age 49 in late 1216. My 25th great grandfather mourned the death of King John I of England for decades. May they rest together in peace. 💐🌷🌹🌺🌸🌼
Who was your 25th great grandfather?
@@allanbarton My 25th great grandfather was only 5’8” but his hair was 7’0” which was more than a foot longer than his height. My 25th great grandfather was fluent in French, Italian, and Latin and spoke to King John I in French. 🎭🩰🎨🇫🇷🇮🇹
@@allanbarton John Longhair since his hair was as long as Alena Kravchenko’s hair. He was only 5’8” but his hair was 7’0” which was longer than his height. 🎭🩰🎨 th-cam.com/video/uiAxWhnNnXM/w-d-xo.html
What a GREAT Video about King John! He had a "Post card sized will", eh? Sound like King John traveled light. Consider me subscribed, Sir!
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Glad you enjoyed it!
Recently reading Dan Jones's history of the Plantagenets and definitely John doesn't seem to be markedly worse than any of the other bad Plantagenets. I think this is a case of really bad PR that never got revisited.
King John is my 22nd Great Grandfather.
Thanks for the interesting video. He was my ancestor (like millions of others) through his daughter Joan whom he married to Llewellyn ap Iowerth therefore i must say only good things about him!
My 25th great grandfather knew King John I of England personally. My 25th great grandfather not only knew King John I personally, he also had floor length hair. My 25th great grandfather was absolutely devastated when King John I died at age 49 in late 1216. My 25th great grandfather mourned the death of King John I of England for decades. May they rest together in peace. 💐🌷🌹🌺🌸🌼
I'm related to all the Royalty. Man, talk about a disfunctional family, one half oas always beheading the other half, they were all real pain-in-the-necks!
King John is in my lineage twice. Through a legitimate and illegitimate child.
@@goonerstu35hopkins45 just stating my lineage if that’s ok with you
My 25th great grandfather knew King John I of England personally. My 25th great grandfather not only knew King John I personally, he also had floor length hair. My 25th great grandfather was absolutely devastated when King John I died at age 49 in late 1216. My 25th great grandfather mourned the death of King John I of England for decades. May they rest together in peace. 💐🌷🌹🌺🌸🌼
loved this but have a question. everything i read about John's first wife Isabel of Gloucester says that she was interred at Canterbury Cathedral. is there s monument, cenotaph or even an inscription to indicate that this daughter in law of Henry II is buried at Canterbury?
John couldn't have been that bad a king considering the Great Western Railway named one of their 6000 Class express locomotives after him.
LMS named one of theirs, "Oliver Cromwell". I don't think railway engineers were very judgemental in those days.
@@readmylisp This is true, but I think it's the railway's executives or board of directors who choose the name of the Engine.