Someone needs to tell the present King Charles that it's never too late to realise Wren's vision! Allan, I feel lucky to have found your site early on; and am so pleased to hear that you are getting the millions of views you deserve!
Plus the fact that this space was eventually used by Queen Victoria for one of her sons, so it doubtful that will be disturbed. Also, if this is over the current royal vault, there could be problems with excavating the supports that would be needed underneath such a grandiose structure.
Thanks for including that humourous cartoon of George IV inspecting poor Charles I's remains!! It made me chuckle!! Thanks again for teaching me something new, Allan!! ❤💞👍
Deeply fascinating Allan. It is no wonder so many people are now tuning in to your channel. All your work is so thoroughly researched and beautifully presented.I expect Charles I never imagined he would end up confined with Henry VIII and Jane Seymour!
You may find it interesting that the pattern of the knitted undershirt that Charles I wore when he was executed is still used today. To this day, King Charles Brocade is one of the most popular knitting stitch patterns for sweaters, scarves, hats, mittens, blankets, etc. I've used it myself many a time.
It would have been a stunning building but in my opinion not in keeping with the chapel. It would have looked fantastic in amongst the other memorials at Frogmore though
I think it's rather ironic that Henry VIII and Charles I should be buried together in one vault - under the one the royal power in England reached its greatest extent, and under the other that power was completely eclipsed. The link between the two is not coincidental, as Charles's failure was to a great extent caused by the religious situation in the country which Henry's actions had given rise to.
The "rest of the story" so to speak. Thank you, Allan, for this most fascinating look into history. I couldn't help but see shades of St. Paul's in the proposed monument by Wren.
Great piece. Thank you. The greatest tribute to King Charles I, as well as to his his son and namesake, has been the decision of Her Late Majesty to bestow their name on her son and heir, restoring it to full rank for a new era.
One shudders to think that but for the grace of God that St. George's Chapel wasn't a completely wrecked shell by 1660, like Holyrood Abbey would be a generation or two later.
So informative! this reminds me that Geoffrey Robertson QC, well-known lawyer, author and broadcaster, wrote a book in 2005 called "The Tyrannicide Brief: The Story of the Man Who Sent Charles I to the Scaffold" . The subject was John Cooke, one of those arrested by Charles II in retribution for his involvement in the killing of Charles 1. Charles II had Cooke hung drawn and quartered, one of the cruellest official methods of execution ever adopted. Robertson as usual makes this story fascinating (he also talks about it online).
Nice! I do have two questions. Who was the fourth coffin? Where did those cartoons come from and whaly did it seem that they were mocking the excavations?
I’m no expert on 18th/19th century cartoons, however I think these were by Gilray ( someone correct me if I’m wrong). The Prince Regent ( later George IV) was a popular object of cartoonist satire - often showing him as fat and debauched, so these cartoons, mocking his interest in exhuming his dead ancestors, was just par for the course at the time!
One of Queen Anne's many children who was stillborn or died in early infancy. The child is mentioned on the black ledger slab covering the vault but the name and sex aren't mentioned - it just says "An infant child of Queen Anne"
I've long been fascinated by the 4th burial here - an infant of Queen Anne. All of her other children are buried together, so why was this child buried separately? It was neither her first nor her last child, no special circumstances that marked this pregnancy as different, no lack of room at the other burial site. It's not like it's a major historical event, but it bothers me that this one poor child was buried separately. It just makes no sense, but there had to be SOME reason for the decision. I've asked many a historian but no one knows and apparently no one has ever asked. 🤔
How poignant and moving is this story. That the King was taken to a semi derelict chapel and lowered with no prayers or words. Interesting to see the coffin and body when the vault was opened. The samples of hair and drawing of the King's head are intriguing. Thank you for adding these extra details which bring such emotion to your stories. ❤
In my humble opinon, one of your very best accounts, Dr Barton; history, architecture and witness accounts of events. Many thanks for your evidently diligent research, most lightly worn!
The illustration of King Charles's coffin being carried up the "wide" west steps of St Georges Chapel is inaccurate. The steps were quite narrow, but the present wide steps were built in the reign of Queen Victoria.
Quite so, as is clear from the Hollar engravings of the 17th century. A lot of the details are inaccurate in both of these 19th century paintings, don't get me started on the acolytes in surplices carrying candles!
Fascinating to see Wren's designs for Charles I's Mausoleum - though I can't help feel such a grandiose building would look out of place next to the Perpendicular Gothic splendour of the present St George's Chapel.
Wrens monument would have been magnificent indeed, but stylistically it would have 'sorted ill', with the perpendicular gothic of St George's Chapel, and [a century or so later], would have presented the gothicising George iv [and his architect, Jeffry Wyatville], with a dilemma -keep its baroque exterior unaltered, or dress it up in a more 'suitable' medieval garb ?
Fascinating as always, thank you. It breaks my heart to learn of the destruction of historical places and documents as described here, Cromwell and particularity Henry VIII were vandals of the highest order.
Thank you for another video stuffed with fascinating information. I did enjoy your description of the four vices crushed under the marble slab, I wonder what was in the minds of the soldiers who despoiled the chapel? Were they acting from principle, or were they simply yobs who enjoyed being able to destroy things of beauty? Lastly, do we know whose was the fourth coffin?
It was one of Queen Anne's ill-fated babies. Why this one was buried here while the other 16 are buried together is a mystery that fascinates me. I've asked many a historian but no one seems to know.
Wren’s monument would have been beautiful in London. I am glad it wasn’t added at Windsor. I think it would have been very incongruous with the chapel, castle, and town of Windsor. Thank you for another superb video! I always learn something 😊
Both explanations for locating the vault of Henry VIII could be correct. The old man showed the approximate location followed by a Lord tapping the area until he heard a hollow sound. A fascination and informative video. Many thanks
After the Restoration some of the magistrates who signed the king's death warrant fled old England for New England. Three in particular sought shelter in New Haven in the colony (now state) of Connecticut, but Charles II's justice sought them even there. They hid for a time atop a bluff above New Haven; the "Judges Cave" remains a marked historical site to this day. They fled north several miles on a ridge that hikers today know as the Regicides Trail. I have hiked it myself from the trailhead at the Judges Cave. Streets are named for them in New Haven: Whalley, Dixwell, and Goffe. Whalley and Dixwell Avenues in particular are major thoroughfares.
I have no words and lots of words at the same time regarding the wanton destruction perpetrated by the Protestants, not just here but years before this, too. I also really wish that people would let the dead rest in peace. 🤨 Ok, end of rant. I do love that portrait of Charles II.
Same as the iconoclasts before them. Heretics never change. "The truth is to be found nowhere else but in the Catholic Church, the sole depository of apostolic doctrine. Heresies are of recent formation, and cannot trace their origin up to the apostles." - St. Irenaeus, Against Heresies, A.D 180.
Thank you for the answer about whether his head was reattached. I have told several people, over the years, how difficult it is to do this for an embalmer even now, i can't imagine it being done back then.
I remember In the Late eighties the London Dungeon had an wax exhibit showing the embalmer sewing on Charles I head back on to his body......the Dungeon got that wrong!
Thank you for this. There is a story that when Victoria was Queen, Prince Albert ordered the coffin removed and he took a piece of Charles I. When Victoria found out about it, she ordered him to put it back. He thought it amusing, she was NOT amused.
Thank goodness that monstrosity of a mausoleum was never constructed! That sculpture would have been particularly inaccurate and mean-spirited. Charles I was a treacherous and deceitful king full of his own unwarranted view of his relation with God. If he'd been a better man then the Civil War could easily have been avoided. Far from being a saint. Those who ,opposed him were driven to extreme measures by his intransigence. Mind you they were mostly a bunch of religious fundamentalists, which is always a very bad thing.
Wrong 🤬🤬 wrong wrong! Dont state your peasant opinion as fact, please. Just because you can express your stupidity in public, doesn't mean you should! Pick up a book, your views are not only erroneous, they are outright FUNNY! Cromwell for you then? Good, go be beside him at Tyburn!
Thde vindictive viciousness of Charles II is in stark contrast with the way the parliamentarians treated his father. They could have behaved as did the bolsheviks towards the Romanovs... I know I won't be popular saying this here though.
I don't think your popularity has much to do with it. They beheaded Charles I, that sounds pretty vindictive and vicious to me. Not sure where you are getting the "stark contrast" from?
@@ghostinthemachine8243 He was vindictive and vicious as many oligarchs still are. The ruin practised by the parliamentarians was also a tragedy for the nation and its' heritage. The treasures belonged to the nation and should have been put in a museum along with the rest of the archaic system of monarchy for future generations to enjoy. There is so much that was beautiful that has been lost out of spite or simple poe facedness.
The damage the Roundheads did to historical items still makes me ill...
Rubbish
The Victor's do Wright the history after all iam affraid 😮
Damn were you really around all that time ago?
As was the destruction of Edward v1
No it doesn't... Such rubbish.
What a monument this would have been if it had been created! Thank you for an excellent piece!
It hurts my heart to think of the glorious St. George's Chapel being looted and ransacked. 😢
That’s Cromwell for you a treacherous weasel
It is one of the most stunning places on earth. To be there is to be with God and all his perfection.
I agree 😞.
Mr. Barton, your historical research and videos are excellent. Thank you, Sir, for your very educational information.
Thank you very much.
@@allanbarton You deserve every accolade you receive. You have a fabulous channel.
Someone needs to tell the present King Charles that it's never too late to realise Wren's vision! Allan, I feel lucky to have found your site early on; and am so pleased to hear that you are getting the millions of views you deserve!
Do you really think it would go down well in this day and age for the monarch to commission large vanities? No chance
Thanks very much!
@@accountnamewithheld No I don't. We'll never see monumental structures like this again.
Plus the fact that this space was eventually used by Queen Victoria for one of her sons, so it doubtful that will be disturbed. Also, if this is over the current royal vault, there could be problems with excavating the supports that would be needed underneath such a grandiose structure.
Another excellent film. Fascinating. Thank you
Glad you enjoyed it!
Just amazing as usual. Never knew that about St. George's Chapel, it is so beautiful today. ❤
Thanks for including that humourous cartoon of George IV inspecting poor Charles I's remains!! It made me chuckle!!
Thanks again for teaching me something new, Allan!! ❤💞👍
Glad you enjoyed it!
Deeply fascinating Allan. It is no wonder so many people are now tuning in to your channel. All your work is so thoroughly researched and beautifully presented.I expect Charles I never imagined he would end up confined with Henry VIII and Jane Seymour!
Brilliant story. Thanks for sharing, Allan
Glad you enjoyed it!
You may find it interesting that the pattern of the knitted undershirt that Charles I wore when he was executed is still used today. To this day, King Charles Brocade is one of the most popular knitting stitch patterns for sweaters, scarves, hats, mittens, blankets, etc. I've used it myself many a time.
Wonderful information as always and so beautifully detailed, Thank you 🙏 ❤❤
Glad you enjoyed it!
It would have been a stunning building but in my opinion not in keeping with the chapel. It would have looked fantastic in amongst the other memorials at Frogmore though
Wow! What a statue! Such beautiful symbolism as well. What a pity it was never built!
Very well done! Informative and presented in an interesting manner.
Thanks very much, glad you enjoyed it!
It is amazing to think this chapel was damaged by zealots.
3.5 mil views on the other vid! Thats amazing and well deserved! Hope all your vids do similarly well or better.😊
Thanks very much!
Excellent work it's such a treat when I get a notification from Allan Barton 😊😉
Very kind of you to say so , thank you!
I think it's rather ironic that Henry VIII and Charles I should be buried together in one vault - under the one the royal power in England reached its greatest extent, and under the other that power was completely eclipsed. The link between the two is not coincidental, as Charles's failure was to a great extent caused by the religious situation in the country which Henry's actions had given rise to.
The "rest of the story" so to speak. Thank you, Allan, for this most fascinating look into history. I couldn't help but see shades of St. Paul's in the proposed monument by Wren.
He was certainly testing out potential designs he would later use.
Great piece. Thank you.
The greatest tribute to King Charles I, as well as to his his son and namesake, has been the decision of Her Late Majesty to bestow their name on her son and heir, restoring it to full rank for a new era.
One shudders to think that but for the grace of God that St. George's Chapel wasn't a completely wrecked shell by 1660, like Holyrood Abbey would be a generation or two later.
Dr. Barton thank you very much for another fantastic history lesson. Beautiful pictures too. Martha
Glad you enjoyed it 😊
Very interesting video - thanks for sharing your knowledge!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Been waiting for you to do an episode about King Charles I. Finally!
Excellent video. Fascinating to see what could have been built.
So informative! this reminds me that Geoffrey Robertson QC, well-known lawyer, author and broadcaster, wrote a book in 2005 called "The Tyrannicide Brief: The Story of the Man Who Sent Charles I to the Scaffold" . The subject was John Cooke, one of those arrested by Charles II in retribution for his involvement in the killing of Charles 1. Charles II had Cooke hung drawn and quartered, one of the cruellest official methods of execution ever adopted. Robertson as usual makes this story fascinating (he also talks about it online).
I think it's very interesting that we know so many details of something that happened so long ago.
I love these historic documentaries. You keep me mesmerized by this history! Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Nice! I do have two questions.
Who was the fourth coffin?
Where did those cartoons come from and whaly did it seem that they were mocking the excavations?
The fourth coffin, which is small, is an infant child of Queen Anne (1665 - 1714).
I’m no expert on 18th/19th century cartoons, however I think these were by Gilray ( someone correct me if I’m wrong). The Prince Regent ( later George IV) was a popular object of cartoonist satire - often showing him as fat and debauched, so these cartoons, mocking his interest in exhuming his dead ancestors, was just par for the course at the time!
One of Queen Anne's many children who was stillborn or died in early infancy. The child is mentioned on the black ledger slab covering the vault but the name and sex aren't mentioned - it just says "An infant child of Queen Anne"
I've long been fascinated by the 4th burial here - an infant of Queen Anne. All of her other children are buried together, so why was this child buried separately? It was neither her first nor her last child, no special circumstances that marked this pregnancy as different, no lack of room at the other burial site. It's not like it's a major historical event, but it bothers me that this one poor child was buried separately. It just makes no sense, but there had to be SOME reason for the decision. I've asked many a historian but no one knows and apparently no one has ever asked. 🤔
How poignant and moving is this story. That the King was taken to a semi derelict chapel and lowered with no prayers or words. Interesting to see the coffin and body when the vault was opened. The samples of hair and drawing of the King's head are intriguing. Thank you for adding these extra details which bring such emotion to your stories. ❤
Glad you appreciated this!
In my humble opinon, one of your very best accounts, Dr Barton; history, architecture and witness accounts of events. Many thanks for your evidently diligent research, most lightly worn!
Thanks very much for your kind comment! Glad you're enjoying my channel!
It was gruesome but very interesting.
So interesting, Allan. Thank you 🙏
You are very welcome
Its ironic that Charles' father, James the First, was buried in a similar manner with Henry the VIII's father, Henry VII.
I thought that as well there is a drawing of that as well.
Very interesting! Thanks for the excellent video! 👍🏻
Glad you enjoyed it!
The illustration of King Charles's coffin being carried up the "wide" west steps of St Georges Chapel is inaccurate. The steps were quite narrow, but the present wide steps were built in the reign of Queen Victoria.
Quite so, as is clear from the Hollar engravings of the 17th century. A lot of the details are inaccurate in both of these 19th century paintings, don't get me started on the acolytes in surplices carrying candles!
❤❤❤❤ glad to run across this!
Glad you liked it!
Fascinating to see Wren's designs for Charles I's Mausoleum - though I can't help feel such a grandiose building would look out of place next to the Perpendicular Gothic splendour of the present St George's Chapel.
Excellent work!
Thanks very much!
Thanks!
Wrens monument would have been magnificent indeed, but stylistically it would have 'sorted ill', with the perpendicular gothic of St George's Chapel, and [a century or so later], would have presented the gothicising George iv [and his architect, Jeffry Wyatville], with a dilemma -keep its baroque exterior unaltered, or dress it up in a more 'suitable' medieval garb ?
Thanks Allan
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you for this educational video.
Glad you appreciated it!
Fascinating as always, thank you. It breaks my heart to learn of the destruction of historical places and documents as described here, Cromwell and particularity Henry VIII were vandals of the highest order.
They really were. Glad you enjoyed the video!
Amazing video
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you for another video stuffed with fascinating information. I did enjoy your description of the four vices crushed under the marble slab,
I wonder what was in the minds of the soldiers who despoiled the chapel? Were they acting from principle, or were they simply yobs who enjoyed being able to destroy things of beauty?
Lastly, do we know whose was the fourth coffin?
It was one of Queen Anne's ill-fated babies. Why this one was buried here while the other 16 are buried together is a mystery that fascinates me. I've asked many a historian but no one seems to know.
HI Allan! Charles certainly had the lion's share of bad luck. Beautifully told indeed.
Thanks Terry, glad you enjoyed it!
Nice vid, thank you
Glad you liked it!
@@allanbarton I did mate, thank you
Very interesting.
Wren’s monument would have been beautiful in London. I am glad it wasn’t added at Windsor. I think it would have been very incongruous with the chapel, castle, and town of Windsor. Thank you for another superb video! I always learn something 😊
Both explanations for locating the vault of Henry VIII could be correct. The old man showed the approximate location followed by a Lord tapping the area until he heard a hollow sound. A fascination and informative video. Many thanks
After the Restoration some of the magistrates who signed the king's death warrant fled old England for New England. Three in particular sought shelter in New Haven in the colony (now state) of Connecticut, but Charles II's justice sought them even there. They hid for a time atop a bluff above New Haven; the "Judges Cave" remains a marked historical site to this day. They fled north several miles on a ridge that hikers today know as the Regicides Trail. I have hiked it myself from the trailhead at the Judges Cave. Streets are named for them in New Haven: Whalley, Dixwell, and Goffe. Whalley and Dixwell Avenues in particular are major thoroughfares.
How interesting, thanks for sharing!
The Round Tower was open to the skies!
I have no words and lots of words at the same time regarding the wanton destruction perpetrated by the Protestants, not just here but years before this, too. I also really wish that people would let the dead rest in peace. 🤨
Ok, end of rant. I do love that portrait of Charles II.
Same as the iconoclasts before them. Heretics never change. "The truth is to be found nowhere else but in the Catholic Church, the sole depository of apostolic doctrine. Heresies are of recent formation, and cannot trace their origin up to the apostles." - St. Irenaeus, Against Heresies, A.D 180.
Thank you for the answer about whether his head was reattached. I have told several people, over the years, how difficult it is to do this for an embalmer even now, i can't imagine it being done back then.
I remember In the Late eighties the London Dungeon had an wax exhibit showing the embalmer sewing on Charles I head back on to his body......the Dungeon got that wrong!
That must have been quite the moment when the open left eye disintegrated. "Now let's lift his head out and have a closer look." 👀
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There was so little beauty.
So much Suffering!
How Tragic Period Times!
Thank you for this. There is a story that when Victoria was Queen, Prince Albert ordered the coffin removed and he took a piece of Charles I. When Victoria found out about it, she ordered him to put it back. He thought it amusing, she was NOT amused.
The damage done to English history and culture by Henry VIII and Roundheads is heartbreaking. It’s fortunate that we have as much as we do.
It's gross and disrespectful to mess with these people's bodies. Smh. 😮
Why? Serious question, as people in the past would disagree.
Do we know who is allowed to enter the burial chambers now ?
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King Charles III is still alive so how come you mention his funeral in your VT?
What do you mean? The video is about Charles I's funeral.
The thousands of men who died due to the obstinate nature of a King prepared to use mercenaries against his own people is what makes me angry
Why did they cut King Charles I nose????
They didn’t, the cartilage rotted away.
Do we know the identity of the child in the Henry VIII Vault?
Yes, a stillborn child of Queen Anne.
Thank you. One of many she lost.@@allanbarton
17:26 these need dna done to them to find out what he ate. How he lived.
Who belonged in the child’s coffin?
It is a baby of Queen Anne.
What happens when ignorance uses populism as a platform.
They found a child's coffin in the vault - who did that belong to?
According to another comment - one of Queen Anne's babies
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Try reloading it, or check the device you are watching on.
Finally it came up.@@allanbarton, thank you. The video was quite interesting.
Poor Charles..Shame the monument was never made. One day they'll do right by him.
take note woke monsters and demons - the enemies of good and that which is right may win but only for a short period of time -
Charles Second Watched His Father Charles First King Of England Executed
Roundheads
Puritans
Parliamentarians
“White snow, the colour of innocence” - for a convicted traitor.
Amazing how quickly the brown nosing of tyranny happens.
Convicted by a rebellious religious nutter, who was worse than Charels.
And how long sniveling totalitarian lickspittles hang on to justify violence and treason.
Charles was no tyrant, and nobody could be tried by that court, it had no legal standing at all! Charles was a good man, you are not.
Thank goodness that monstrosity of a mausoleum was never constructed! That sculpture would have been particularly inaccurate and mean-spirited. Charles I was a treacherous and deceitful king full of his own unwarranted view of his relation with God. If he'd been a better man then the Civil War could easily have been avoided. Far from being a saint. Those who ,opposed him were driven to extreme measures by his intransigence. Mind you they were mostly a bunch of religious fundamentalists, which is always a very bad thing.
The Protestants were extremist nutters.
Wrong 🤬🤬 wrong wrong!
Dont state your peasant opinion as fact, please.
Just because you can express your stupidity in public, doesn't mean you should!
Pick up a book, your views are not only erroneous, they are outright FUNNY!
Cromwell for you then? Good, go be beside him at Tyburn!
You obviously know nothing about Charles if you think that about him!
Thde vindictive viciousness of Charles II is in stark contrast with the way the parliamentarians treated his father. They could have behaved as did the bolsheviks towards the Romanovs... I know I won't be popular saying this here though.
I agree that it was a total dick move by Charles II to posthumously execute the leading Parliamentarians. It makes him look small and petty.
I don't think your popularity has much to do with it.
They beheaded Charles I, that sounds pretty vindictive and vicious to me.
Not sure where you are getting the "stark contrast" from?
Sounds like woke logic.
@@ghostinthemachine8243 He was vindictive and vicious as many oligarchs still are. The ruin practised by the parliamentarians was also a tragedy for the nation and its' heritage. The treasures belonged to the nation and should have been put in a museum along with the rest of the archaic system of monarchy for future generations to enjoy. There is so much that was beautiful that has been lost out of spite or simple poe facedness.
Down down with the mitre and the crown!
they cut off his head for being a dictatorial traitor and yet they bury him as a king should have been thrown in a paupers grave.
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