@@mikosoftand back in the day he wasn’t that good, during recordings they would not air most of Joseph’s song cause it would be embarrassing…. But now he’s back and very strong. His solo album… Wow.
@@michaelshepherd885really? When he was in his prime he was insanely good. Voices age just like people. That’s what happened around 2006 through present
I give the medal to Bobby Kimball because on "I'll Supply the love " the ORIGINAL key that is , he established his style plus David Paich once said that song was Bobby's signature song and Williams never sang "I'll Supply the love " in Bobby's original key . And honestly Pamela sounds too LOW for Bobby's natural high range and Pamela is right for Joseph's vocal/range. So everyone wins.
@@Oxpost Theres No "autotune" on Bobby at the AGORA where Toto played in 1979." I'll Supply the love " was in the original key and autotune DID NOT exist back then. Bobby still owns that song vocally , in fact they lowered the key of that for Bobby on that song BEFORE Williams got his second chance with the group. So your comment still takes nothing away from Bobby.
@@Oxpost No hold on, I was referring to times when Bobby was much younger(in TOTO) which actually was before autotune ever existed and he had that unmatched, range and power Joe Williams even said last year that he and Fergie (in the 80s) lost their voices on occasion because they couldn't match Kimballs power especially going way up high , Williams said " Bobby's voice was BIG part of Totos sound. Williams unlike Paich or Lukather gave Bobby that full credit in 2021. Actually Bobby sang higher when he was in his pre-Toto group S.S Fools back in 1976 (They were on Columbia records before Toto )he also played keyboards while he sang . S.S Fools was formerly aka. 3 DOG NIGHT and the recordings and album are on TH-cam. They did appear on American Bandstand too. Not intentionally being descriptive here but as a black fan of Kimball, If I didn't know who sang on S.S Fools I would've assumed it was a black woman. Notice later TOTO used black women to sing Kimballs songs. Amazing and rare that's Bobby Kimball. Joe Williams is great also 👌 even on his solo stuff.
I've heard the SS Fools album and Bobby sounded so black for a white guy. I've heard the original demo of You Are The Flower which was a bit faster than the studio version. He sounded like Stevie Wonder at times and a woman. He had such a high range and excellent control of it.
Os dois são fantásticos, cada um com sua particularidade, joseph tem uma voz linda, suave, em algumas músicas lembram o M. Jackson, já bob kimball é a fúria em pessoa, que voz poderosa, com muita técnica e alcance vocal, então não existe um melhor do que o outro.
"Hold the line" - both sing the song fantastically, but I'd choose *Bobby Kimball* because his voice reminds me of the original version "You supple the love" - it feels as if Joseph struggles to sing the song whereas Bobby sings it with ease, but the part of Bobby is autotuned, he couldn't sing this song on pitch in the 2003-2008 era, so *Joseph W illiams* wins in this case "You are the flower" - Bobby sings this song more emotionally while Joseph gives it a more chilling vibe, so in this case it's a *draw* "Rosanna" - in this case *Joseph Williams* definitely wins, he sings this chorus with remarkable ease, especially during the 2018 version , sound fantastic "Falling in between" - *Bobby Kimball* kills it, it a real rock song, you can feel Joseph's not comfortable singing this song "Pamela" - unfortunately Bobby Kimball couldn't sing this song with such power as Joseph, his voice was trembling, unstable and he struggled to go high on "heal this time", whereas this song shows off the best qualities of Joseph's voice - the feeling, the strength, the precision; the 2013 Poland version is better than the original, especially the last chorus; it's a pity Joseph doesn't go high on "heal this time", but still definitely *Joseph Williams* "Home of the brave" - as "White sister" is Joseph's best cover of Bobby, "Home of the brave" is Bobby's best cover of Joseph, so *Bobby Kimball*
I think they’re pretty equal until Bobby started needing auto tune, from what I noticed and I’m not positive but it seemed around the early 2000’s. Bobby in the early days singing Waiting for your love was fantastic. He really had the power and the high range. But both of them in the past and now are great.
It’s not fair to compare these two singers unless each clip is from their prime singing years. Most if these clips are Bobby as a younger singer and Joe’s are from later in his career. Bobby was amazing for certain songs but would have to give it to Joe for his ability to sing so many different styles. But, it’s a bit like picking between awesome and brilliant.
I simply can't compare these 2 brilliant vocalists. Bobby and Joseph are the voices of TOTO. But I don't think that Bobby should sing Pamela and Home of the brave, these 2 songs only sounds good with Josephs voice.
Bobby sang Pamela and Home of the brave because fans wanted to hear him on those songs. Plus Kimball liked Fergie Fredericksen and Joe Williams songs so he's actually showing his admiration of people that replaced him. I do think Pamela is too low for Bobby's voice. If you heard Kimballs talking voice and then Joe Williams talking voice, my point would make better sense.
Likewise I think Bobby sounds better on Rosanna and hold the line. They each have “their” songs that they sound better for (because songs like Rosanna were written for Bobby to sing, and Pamela was made for joe)
You could never discount Bobby .His first 4 albums and live shows with Toto are still the standards in their catalog. Joe Williams would've been too young to carry the band from 1977 to 1983 (age and vocal ability). Totos greatest years. You're talking Apples 🍎 and oranges 🍊 just to compare both fellas.
He is very invested in his performance, I'm just inevitably drawn to his stage presence over Bobby, but obviously Bobby is the one on the record. Live music is always a different phenomenon, especially with a band that are such perfectionists in studio
@Chris Ducat Joe looks bloated and looks like a lumberjack. He even sings most of the songs "live" in lower keys. Kimball has Dementia now and has been out of TOTO since 2008. Comparing the two of them now is completely ridiculous and pointless. David Paich told Jim Beaudin on "Rock History" the other day, that Toto has no plans of making any more albums . They really didn't want to make/record TOTO XIV. But had to just to get out of some lawsuit they were in. That was discussed in the inner sleeve of the TOTO XIV CD 💿.
Joseph is "assisted" by a chorist for the high notes... Mabvuto Carpenter for the 2013 tour. For some songs, they even lowered the tone to make things easier for Joseph (you can hear it clearly for the song "Home ot The Brave"). Joseph remains a good singer but Bobby didn't need these tricks...
Two things 1. in Falling in between Joesph can't hit the high note at the beginning 2. in the 2007 DVD the vocals were heavily autotuned But in his prime Bobby was a slightly better singer
Bobby no doubt sounded better in his prime than Joseph… he had a powerhouse of a voice that helped Toto become so popular early on. But you see… Bobby was losing his vocal clarity over time. The fact he used Autotune in the years leading up to Toto’s first breakup is a tell tale sign. Joseph Williams in his first stint in Toto didn’t have that nice sound. Strained his voice and that’s one of the reasons why he left after a that short stint. However, Joe was able to save his voice over the years through getting vocal coaching and if anything, his voice aged well like fine wine that he can still sound like his younger self but much fuller. Each has their own merits and both have such a deep sense of respect and admiration for each other. I don’t think one’s better than the other.
Joe is a better stage presence. But listen to Bobby sing 3:05 Pamela....Close tie but Bobby's just has the unique tone. You can recognize it right off the top...That's was a good singer will do...
Unfortunately, this isn't a fair comparison. Bobby's performance of Hold The Line, I'll Supply The Love, Rosanna, Falling In Between, and Home Of The Brave are all auto tuned and pretty badly. All of Joseph's performances are truly live and unfiltered. Bobby did have a "bigger" voice in his prime but as he aged he just started yell/singing.
There’s Bobby Kimball and there’s a guy who tries to sound as good as Bobby Kimball…But there is only one Bobby Kimball. Just like there is only one Steve Perry and and only one Stevie Nicks!
No subtly in Joseph Williams performance. It’s pretty much all straight ahead, and borderline shouting. Bobby Kimball’s vocal decline is saddening, but here he walks it. Easily the superior vocalist.
Due grandissime voci. Ma, in quanto a look e presenza scenica, Joseph Williams non ha rivali. Kimball sembra il macellaio che ha la bottega sotto casa mia...
Bobby Kimball is taking too much effort, he looks and sounds like someone who can only go full power to get close. He's exhausting to listen to. Joseph Williams' style is more relaxed. He seems more in his natural habitat, doesn't have to prove himself.
I like Joe (notice he has to change to a lower key for "Home of the Brave"), but for me Bobby will always be the voice of Toto! It's too bad he now has alzheimers according to Luke.
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Both are truly GOATS..!!!
Both are fantastic, but I think Joseph's consistency for such a long stretch of Toto's history is commendable. Since '86!
Not really from '86. He left in '88 because of drugs and rejoined in 2010.
@@mikosoftand back in the day he wasn’t that good, during recordings they would not air most of Joseph’s song cause it would be embarrassing…. But now he’s back and very strong. His solo album… Wow.
bobby has way more feeling and power. He truly has a rock voice
Bobby is a monster ❤
Os dois são ótimos, mas Joe tem meu coração ❤ e ele continua INCRÍVEL hoje em dia
Bobby kimball is the best singer in the world ever
Love from Mik Roy from Denmark
I prefer Joseph Williams
Good luck
Steve Perry
Bobby hands down! He can hit the notes with great consistency not to mention his control! Original yes but so much more!
They both have "their" songs. ..I love them both.
Due voci stupende che arricchito una delle migliori band al mondo toto
Bobby inesquecível❤❤😊 amooo
When they were a lot younger, definitely Bobby. But now that they're old, it's Joe hands down.
I ❤ Bobby
Bobby. Forever!
Bobby….❤❤❤n.1
Bobby for ever...🥰
Bobby, the best Toto singer ever.
I like Bobby and I like Joe. I also like both David Lee Roth and Sammy Hagar.
Wrong
@@michaelshepherd885really? When he was in his prime he was insanely good. Voices age just like people. That’s what happened around 2006 through present
You mean the best singer of all time.
The only guy who can compares to Bobby is Freddie Mercury
Es difícil elegir creo los dos son fantásticos en diferentes etapas de Toto ❤❤❤
Man please, Bobby Kimball is The Voice 🔥
Bobby always in our hearts 🤘🤘🤘Love you Bob, you were the best of all time..
Obydwaj świetni 👍😍
Joe Williams 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 love your talent 😊
ファンなら考え、
そこに思い入れ、好み、
そして色々な、様々な感情などがこもってくる物。
ＶＳ良し、
勉強良し、
思い出の再構築良し、
楽しみ方は人それぞれ十人百(∞)色。
投稿者さんＧＪ！！！
(Ｇは、ＧＯＯＤで無く、ＧＲＥＡＴ！)
I give the medal to Bobby Kimball because on "I'll Supply the love " the ORIGINAL key that is , he established his style plus David Paich once said that song was Bobby's signature song and Williams never sang "I'll Supply the love " in Bobby's original key . And honestly Pamela sounds too LOW for Bobby's natural high range and Pamela is right for Joseph's vocal/range. So everyone wins.
The clip for I'll Supply the Love is heavily autotuned on Bobbys clip.
@@Oxpost Theres No "autotune" on Bobby at the AGORA where Toto played in 1979." I'll Supply the love " was in the original key and autotune DID NOT exist back then. Bobby still owns that song vocally , in fact they lowered the key of that for Bobby on that song BEFORE Williams got his second chance with the group. So your comment still takes nothing away from Bobby.
@@waltersimmons946 I think we're talking about different things here. I was referring to the clip used in the video.
@@Oxpost No hold on, I was referring to times when Bobby was much younger(in TOTO) which actually was before autotune ever existed and he had that unmatched, range and power Joe Williams even said last year that he and Fergie (in the 80s) lost their voices on occasion because they couldn't match Kimballs power especially going way up high , Williams said " Bobby's voice was BIG part of Totos sound. Williams unlike Paich or Lukather gave Bobby that full credit in 2021. Actually Bobby sang higher when he was in his pre-Toto group S.S Fools back in 1976 (They were on Columbia records before Toto )he also played keyboards while he sang . S.S Fools was formerly aka. 3 DOG NIGHT and the recordings and album are on TH-cam. They did appear on American Bandstand too. Not intentionally being descriptive here but as a black fan of Kimball, If I didn't know who sang on S.S Fools I would've assumed it was a black woman. Notice later TOTO used black women to sing Kimballs songs. Amazing and rare that's Bobby Kimball. Joe Williams is great also 👌 even on his solo stuff.
I've heard the SS Fools album and Bobby sounded so black for a white guy. I've heard the original demo of You Are The Flower which was a bit faster than the studio version. He sounded like Stevie Wonder at times and a woman. He had such a high range and excellent control of it.
Joseph is best for me ❤❤❤❤
Os dois são fantásticos, cada um com sua particularidade, joseph tem uma voz linda, suave, em algumas músicas lembram o M. Jackson, já bob kimball é a fúria em pessoa, que voz poderosa, com muita técnica e alcance vocal, então não existe um melhor do que o outro.
Both i like
Los temas que cantó Bobby los temas que cantó Joseph le queda muy bien a él... Por eso eso no puedo elegir a uno..
bobby is toto
"Hold the line" - both sing the song fantastically, but I'd choose *Bobby Kimball* because his voice reminds me of the original version
"You supple the love" - it feels as if Joseph struggles to sing the song whereas Bobby sings it with ease, but the part of Bobby is autotuned, he couldn't sing this song on pitch in the 2003-2008 era, so *Joseph W illiams* wins in this case
"You are the flower" - Bobby sings this song more emotionally while Joseph gives it a more chilling vibe, so in this case it's a *draw*
"Rosanna" - in this case *Joseph Williams* definitely wins, he sings this chorus with remarkable ease, especially during the 2018 version , sound fantastic
"Falling in between" - *Bobby Kimball* kills it, it a real rock song, you can feel Joseph's not comfortable singing this song
"Pamela" - unfortunately Bobby Kimball couldn't sing this song with such power as Joseph, his voice was trembling, unstable and he struggled to go high on "heal this time", whereas this song shows off the best qualities of Joseph's voice - the feeling, the strength, the precision; the 2013 Poland version is better than the original, especially the last chorus; it's a pity Joseph doesn't go high on "heal this time", but still definitely *Joseph Williams*
"Home of the brave" - as "White sister" is Joseph's best cover of Bobby, "Home of the brave" is Bobby's best cover of Joseph, so *Bobby Kimball*
listen to tokyo 2006 bobby sings pamela better than joseph
@@rishisharma5252 I've listened to this performance and unfortunately Bobby's voice here is weak, unstable and in some places Bobby was out of tune...
Bobby in good shape is the voice of Toto to me!💖
Keep in mind, bobby is about 10 years older than the others.
Bobby walks Joe in the park.
Ho sempre pensato che Bobby ha una voce più rock e Joseph più versatile...grandi entrambi
I think they’re pretty equal until Bobby started needing auto tune, from what I noticed and I’m not positive but it seemed around the early 2000’s. Bobby in the early days singing Waiting for your love was fantastic. He really had the power and the high range. But both of them in the past and now are great.
Although it is uniquely human, there is no reason to choose one over the other.
Me gustan los dos . Es que Toto fue lo maximo
Joseph is good but in his prime hands down Bobby.
Bobby, no doubt
It’s not fair to compare these two singers unless each clip is from their prime singing years. Most if these clips are Bobby as a younger singer and Joe’s are from later in his career. Bobby was amazing for certain songs but would have to give it to Joe for his ability to sing so many different styles. But, it’s a bit like picking between awesome and brilliant.
This is surreal, it's hard for me to tell apart witch one sounds better than the other one, both of them sounds good equaly!
BOBBY KIMBALL !!!
Joseph’s voice is amazing!
It seems that Bobby is better, wilder, but Joe is my favorite, because of his way of singing and integrating into everything that Toto is.
In my eyes there's no comparison as they both did it their own way
I simply can't compare these 2 brilliant vocalists. Bobby and Joseph are the voices of TOTO. But I don't think that Bobby should sing Pamela and Home of the brave, these 2 songs only sounds good with Josephs voice.
Bobby sang Pamela and Home of the brave because fans wanted to hear him on those songs. Plus Kimball liked Fergie Fredericksen and Joe Williams songs so he's actually showing his admiration of people that replaced him. I do think Pamela is too low for Bobby's voice. If you heard Kimballs talking voice and then Joe Williams talking voice, my point would make better sense.
Likewise I think Bobby sounds better on Rosanna and hold the line. They each have “their” songs that they sound better for (because songs like Rosanna were written for Bobby to sing, and Pamela was made for joe)
love both - and so happy to see how close friends they are till today - and big hugs to Bobby as he is suffering from such a terrible illness
JOSEPH WILLIAM is the TOTO'S VOICE!! Love it!!
No.
Yes!
@@marcellofinocchiaro225 No. The original voice was Bobby Kimball. The Brother of Robin Williams arrived later. This is not an opinion but a fact.
Två olika divisioner. Bobby IS ToTo
I'll Supply the Love at 0:27 is DRENCHED in auto tune.
Eu amo o Joe Willians mais gosto mais da voz do Bobby Kimball
Bobby all the way.
JW has the voice & stage presence.. not discounting any performance ever f/ bobby.
You could never discount Bobby .His first 4 albums and live shows with Toto are still the standards in their catalog. Joe Williams would've been too young to carry the band from 1977 to 1983 (age and vocal ability). Totos greatest years. You're talking Apples 🍎 and oranges 🍊 just to compare both fellas.
He is very invested in his performance, I'm just inevitably drawn to his stage presence over Bobby, but obviously Bobby is the one on the record. Live music is always a different phenomenon, especially with a band that are such perfectionists in studio
@Chris Ducat Joe looks bloated and looks like a lumberjack. He even sings most of the songs "live" in lower keys. Kimball has Dementia now and has been out of TOTO since 2008. Comparing the two of them now is completely ridiculous and pointless. David Paich told Jim Beaudin on "Rock History" the other day, that Toto has no plans of making any more albums . They really didn't want to make/record TOTO XIV. But had to just to get out of some lawsuit they were in. That was discussed in the inner sleeve of the TOTO XIV CD 💿.
@@bernlin2000 Nope. Bobby is the powerhouse of Toto.
Todos ok
Joes dad wrote music for star wars, jaws, ET, raiders. Enough for me.
Joseph is "assisted" by a chorist for the high notes... Mabvuto Carpenter for the 2013 tour. For some songs, they even lowered the tone to make things easier for Joseph (you can hear it clearly for the song "Home ot The Brave"). Joseph remains a good singer but Bobby didn't need these tricks...
Bobby is my pick!!
Too much drugs but bobby kimball is the best!
Joe can still hit the high notes !
how he is singing in lower key
Two things
1. in Falling in between Joesph can't hit the high note at the beginning
2. in the 2007 DVD the vocals were heavily autotuned
But in his prime Bobby was a slightly better singer
Joseph but Bobby is great.
Ambos talentosos, pero Bobby lejano al público... Joseph cercano, esa es la diferencia
Boby nunca pudo cantar stop loving you siempre la cantaba Tony
Bobby no doubt sounded better in his prime than Joseph… he had a powerhouse of a voice that helped Toto become so popular early on. But you see… Bobby was losing his vocal clarity over time. The fact he used Autotune in the years leading up to Toto’s first breakup is a tell tale sign.
Joseph Williams in his first stint in Toto didn’t have that nice sound. Strained his voice and that’s one of the reasons why he left after a that short stint. However, Joe was able to save his voice over the years through getting vocal coaching and if anything, his voice aged well like fine wine that he can still sound like his younger self but much fuller.
Each has their own merits and both have such a deep sense of respect and admiration for each other. I don’t think one’s better than the other.
He was sick in 2007, but he sounds healthy in a 2010 recording.
Joe is a better stage presence. But listen to Bobby sing 3:05 Pamela....Close tie but Bobby's just has the unique tone. You can recognize it right off the top...That's was a good singer will do...
Unfortunately, this isn't a fair comparison. Bobby's performance of Hold The Line, I'll Supply The Love, Rosanna, Falling In Between, and Home Of The Brave are all auto tuned and pretty badly. All of Joseph's performances are truly live and unfiltered. Bobby did have a "bigger" voice in his prime but as he aged he just started yell/singing.
There’s Bobby Kimball and there’s a guy who tries to sound as good as Bobby Kimball…But there is only one Bobby Kimball.
Just like there is only one Steve Perry and and only one Stevie Nicks!
No subtly in Joseph Williams performance. It’s pretty much all straight ahead, and borderline shouting. Bobby Kimball’s vocal decline is saddening, but here he walks it. Easily the superior vocalist.
Due grandissime voci. Ma, in quanto a look e presenza scenica, Joseph Williams non ha rivali. Kimball sembra il macellaio che ha la bottega sotto casa mia...
Bobby Kimball is taking too much effort, he looks and sounds like someone who can only go full power to get close. He's exhausting to listen to. Joseph Williams' style is more relaxed. He seems more in his natural habitat, doesn't have to prove himself.
Where'd you get the raw of the "Falling in Between" clip with Bobby (referring to 2:18)? Or is it taken from a different live and overlayed?
Thanks!
I like Joe (notice he has to change to a lower key for "Home of the Brave"), but for me Bobby will always be the voice of Toto! It's too bad he now has alzheimers according to Luke.
Ambos son excelente,mas me quedo xon Joseph.
Joseph's voice is more strong and afinated. Pamela song is originally singed by Joseph.
where did you get live in Paris without autotune?