Buying a $200k Machine in a Recession? | Doosan Puma 2600SY II
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ก.ค. 2024
- Today we get a brand new Doosan Puma 2600SY II delivered to the shop. But why am I buying during a possible recession?? Find out in the video…
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Inflation is skyrocketing, gas is at an all time high, raw materials are more expensive than ever, but today we’re taking delivery of a brand new Doosan Puma 2600SY II. You might be thinking “Jay, are you crazy. Why would you buy a new machine with a recession coming?” Well, in this machine delivery video, I’m going to give you my thoughts about why strategically buying during a recession may be one of the best things you can do for your shop!
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00:00 Intro to buying a Doosan Puma 2600SY II during a recession
00:36 Moving the Doosan Puma 2600SY II into the shop
02:50 Jay’s process of checking out a machine after delivery
07:19 Powering on the Doosan Puma 2600SY II
07:50 Doosan Puma 2600SY II with game changing tools
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10:45 Doosan Puma 2600SY II Control Overview
12:18 Iemca Kid 80 + Barfeeder
14:33 Jay’s Overview on Buying During the Recession
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I’ve been a CNC Machinist for over 25 years in the orthopedic industry, and in the last year my passion for the trade has exploded since I started watching your content. I’m honestly a better CNC Machinist thanks to your videos!
Thank you!
Absolutely Love this! I have a small shop and echo Jay's comments. This should be a thoughtful process as always. Great video!
We have this very same machine, which was delivered and commissioned three weeks ago. I am now making chips. It’s a super machine.
I bought an entire machine shop in this recession. Haven't made this much money ever in my life. American manufacturing is at an all time high right now. Just broke my first 100k this month. I've only been open now for 7 months!
AND to top it all off I am running FADALS lmao!!!!
Love it
Keep it up!
Awesome! Keep up the hustle.
Congrats
I'd love to hear your thoughts on why you decided to sell the Haas ST-Y, like more specific examples if you will.
+1
Will do in an upcoming video!
It was loud
Nice video, thanks for sharing about your machine and process. Charles
I received my big ass dice in the mail! Thank you for putting the QR code of the video on the 1 dot, that was a nice touch. Please make other shaped dice as well!
I've been watching you a bit lately because I am kind of taking over my schools engineering lab. You just got all of my respect in this video, when you pointed at the card and right that second it appeared at the top of the screen. Sometimes the amount of time between those two actions makes it hard to tell what the person is talking about especially if a person is talking about multiple things. Overall thanks for walking me and others through the whole prosses of what you do, you honest opinions, etc.
I thoroughly enjoy carrying zero debt. I'm able to focus on the important tasks and have no worries about money, other than having more would mean being able to step up my timetables. Carrying debt, while there are economic cases for it, is just not required for what I want to do. I've charted a very scalable course. I'm very fortunate to be in this position after years of uncertainty and struggle. Praise God for carrying me through.
The shop I work at has 3 Mazak VCN-570c mills coming in august and im trying to convince the boss to get at least one of them fitted out with Pierson pallets. Based on the types of customers we have and how we're one of the only fully us based manufacturers in our industry (so not subject to the international shipping mess), I'm not too worried about the recession in terms my job.
Very insightful
Interested to see how you get on with the Doosan as that’s the way I’m thinking of going after a really bad machine and service from HAAS (Sold it nearly new as so bad).
Will watch with interest.
Yeah, elephant in the room is why you sold the haas, haha. I would have sold that thing for the noise of the spindle alone. And the new Doosan iHMI control is so sexy. Only problem is the cycle start and feed hold buttons are in each other's position! I would swap those buttons if possible.
Good eye! We swapped buttons on our other Doosan to make them "normal". I'll explain the elephant in an upcoming video as part of our moving video series.
Last night I didnt crash, but went to hit feed hold to check my distance to go and set it screaming into the part due to this issue. Than same deal over on the mill lol. I just got a puma 2600L and I love it.
Nice! We’re getting this exact same machine delivered in two days- this was a very timely insight! 👌
Hope the delivery goes well for you!
@@PiersonWorkholding thanks, it did. Busy getting my head around it now, but enjoying every minute. The only downside is we only discovered after ordering the machine that our power supply isn’t up to running both it & a GT2600M we bought 3 years ago together at once. An extremely irritating inconvenience, but one we’ll sort out soon…..
Yeah tools make a huge difference. There are zero backlash ballscrews. That would be very cool. There are some really good machine tools made these days.
I love my PUMA 2100LSYii
I am impressed! Great attitude😀
Thank you! 😃
good video pierson
Not completely sold on touch screens on cnc. I Always have to worry about oil on ours
Most of the analysis I've seen on recession issues suggests that the big challenge is coming from globalized supply chains - it's not driven by a lack of demand as much as an inability to create and sell products. That same analysis suggests that one of the big outcomes is that lots of the supply chain will be moving to north America over the next few years with the big challenge being a need to build out manufacturing capacity. I think your move to buy the machine is the right one - your business will do well as others build their capabilities.
Hi l really like your website, the price of product right there no bs like another, websites, simple and easy.
Thank you! The design of the site, the video resources, the up-front pricing - all things I want to see if I were buying something.
Great video as always! Any special precautions required to eject the slug/bar end into the machine? I had never thought about how that’s a thing you need to do with a bar feeder.
We have a line of code that catches the slug with the parts catcher. If not, the chip conveyor belt would get beat up pretty quickly.
Love your enthusiasm and content but you are in a good position as you make and sell your own product and not have to rely on jobs coming in and to quote for, its a dog eat dog at the moment but its every machine shops dream to manufacture their own product, I hope we see more like this, funny times a head👍👍
Very good point and we were once a job shop and worked hard and took big risks to be product based. Here's my company story if you haven't yet seen it: th-cam.com/video/tZd2Bj-wfqk/w-d-xo.html
beautiful machine: D
Dell 32" curved gaming display.
10:05 and what will happen when the cutter is damaged and does not cut the material, is there any security that will interrupt the machining process without operator control?
I bought 2 new dmgs this summer.
I dont plan for stuff i dont know if is comming or not.
Er need more and better machines to deliver higher quality, faster.
I see your running Hass mills and dooson Lathes. Why's that? I thought you would have preferred dooson mills for the extra rigidity
what kind of pc screen are you using? Thanks
Thanks for the video. Are you using the off the shelf Fanuc posts for Fusion, or are you finding you need a specialized post written? I'm in the market for a 4500 and have been told that the generic Fanuc should work fine.
Off the shelf posts in Fusion work great these days.
hubris comes before the fall. A recession will hurt everybody, because of the chain effect. Only someone that can pivot really quick, can benefit from a recession, but most can maybe only reduce the damage.
Stand on solid ground and you're less likely to fall.
Really nice machine, we got one 6 months ago. Lns barfeeder.
Hi Philippe, May I ask what deal you got on the Puma? We are checking for one of the Doosan machines as well.
Nice CNC, try floating your next machine in. No more up and over.
Hi Jay, curious what CAM software do you use to program your mills and lathes? Do you like it?
Autodesk Fusion 360. It's been fantastic for us.
I feel like Fanuc's pronunciation is the tomayto/tomahto of manufacturing. On the CNC side, I hear FA-nuc quite often, but on the robotics side, its more often FAN-uc.
That's exactly right. When I talk about Fanuc robots I say FANuc. :)
It sounds like Doosan is attempting to do continual improvement by changing their control every few years. Does change = continual improvement?
One of the best value for money machines on the market
Very true. Some of the best value I've found. Lots of bang for the buck.
What's the difference between this and the lynx you have?
Hello Guys, great work. Can You tell me are there any groups or sites in USA that gather work offers? I'm thinking seriously about relocation from europe. What are average salaries for 5 year experience in die/molds?
Glassdoor.com for salary info. Xometry.com for cnc job work once you qualify.
Hello Jay, please can you explain me why you need a 24 tool ( half ) index turret when you have a Y-axis. 😉
Probably cost a lot more but the Y+/Y- multi ( parallel ) toolholders on a 12 station with "only" Y-axis do the same job. 🤔
You have only 12 driven live tools just like the "normal" turret, I don't see the benefit.
Half index turrets can offer better tool clearances for OD tools. If you stick your tools out far enough you can theoretically get more clearance between the Y's ±50mm of travel. The Y axis almost makes half station turrets pointless but still has marginal utility. In short, I've never paid extra for a half station turret.
@@PiersonWorkholding
Hello Jay, thanks for the reply, much appreciated, your explanation make sense but for us it works with the "normal" Y-axis.
One of our lathes is a Haas ST25-Y (NGC) with BMT65 live tooling turret, the option for the half-index (24) would be an extra €4.695 ( $4.980 ).
We took the option for the 6.000 rpm instead of the standard 4.000 rpm, was an extra €2.295 ( $2.435 ). 😉
I would be of the opinion that you should put the wear and tear on the bar feed. They are much cheaper to replace than the lathe. And in reality they are designed and built to push bar
No, the lathe performs no extra motion when bar pulling vs the feeder pushing. The only difference is that it runs the parting tool after pulling vs right before. Plus, it is a shorter cycle time to pull bars.
@@PiersonWorkholding my apologies, I just copped on to my idiocy. I forgot it was a twin spindle 🤣 I'm stuck in a single spindle turning mindset.
My god I lust for a twin spindle turning centre
Considering moving from Haas DS-30Y to Puma2600SYII. Would you be able to confirm if the BMT65 live tools can from Haas can fit Doosan? Thank you in advance.
Good question, i would tend to say yes but as i'm not sure I will wait for somebody to confirm my though ;)
Maybe Jay could tell us if he reads us.
We just bought one of these too
Hi Andrew,, May I know the deal you got on the Doosan, we are checking for one as well and curious what price we should pay.
@@lennertvandenberg9325 think we got quoted 249k and ended up paying like 210k
"I believe it's touch screen...."
lol.
If a touchscreen lands on the shop floor but nobody is there to touch it, is it still a touchscreen?
What is the machine monitoring software you currently use?
Custom built.
@@PiersonWorkholding Really looking forward to more details on this!
Yea forsure. Do you plan to make a video on this?
You sold your HAAS ST-30? Why?
The ST30 was a good machine, very accurate and competitively priced. The Doosan lathes are a more mature design that have more features that made it better equipped for reliable lights-out machining. I'll address it in a future video.
I know you always want to advance your knowledge and learn the latest so you use the machine at full capability, but if you hit S2 it will take you to the old fanuc style similar to your other machines.
DN Solutions now....
A recession seems like a better time to buy a used machine. This industry is full of failed small businesses who drowned in debt. That means tons of used machines are available.
or... God forbid... learning how to retrofit an old one yourself with modern electronics and faster spindles etc.
Always good to put ego aside and distinguish between a nice to have vs what is actually needed to get the job done efficiently.
Yes, once the auctions start happening, you can often get a practically new machine at a great used price.
yeah but it should be ttyy then be noice
Also 2-3 times the price though…..😕
@@Glenrok bitching about the cost of the thing that is supposed to make you money and then buying wrong machine is the worst thing you can do
@@TommiHonkonen well, you turned this into something it was never meant to be. Regardless of whether it “makes you money”, if you can’t afford it, you can’t afford it. I’m actually getting a 2600SY ll delivered in two days. I’d have loved a ttyy, but it was simply out of reach at this time. The SY is still a big capability improvement, and will hopefully/probably increase the budget for the next purchase. What’s the problem with that?? 🤷♂️
Why you dont buy a German machine? A Hermle or DMG? Are these Doosan so much cheaper? When I see the quality, design and the overall of the US and Asian machines, I am always wondering.... I mean when I only see the control unit, oh lord... and you didn't know Iemca? You REALLY should watch out more to European machines. For example they made a soecific loader for a DMG
It's too broad of a question to answer why I didn't buy a specific brand or genre of machine. Doosan produces great machines with very competitive pricing. There's always going to be a better machine out there somewhere. Buying the best isn't necessarily the best business decision when growing a company. I'd rather have 3 great machines than 2 "best" machines.
A European machine that has the same capabilities and options as this Doosan will easily cost double.
@@loukola5353 I dont believe that. SO big can't the price difference be.
Nice machine. But more travel more power consumption. What are you doing to lower your carbon footprint.
More horsepower is far more significant than travel when it comes to power consumption.
Eat extra steak every week with profit made. Lowering methane output from cows😂😂
3.2% unemployment is NOT a recession. Stick to machining
Your comment is about 2 years late.