Buffy the Vampire Slayer Talk || s4e05 "Beer Bad"
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"What the fuck was that episode? I mean... it was enjoyable."
A masterful summary 😅
.... she nailed it lol
Buffy's very basic instincts are to protect people, she ran towards the fire! I love her
Indeed... she will walk through the fire ;)
She's my hero 🥰
@@Cortex403 "So I will Walk though the Fire~~"
Without giving any spoilers. which episode was that again?
@@mrfrits94spoiler warning (?) name and episode number of upcoming episode:
Once more with feeling, season 6 episode 7 :)))
@@sdab4856 Ah right, thank you :D
A lot of people hate this episode, but I will never cease to find it hilarious😂
especially the ending the audience got the catharsis we needed. I think Parker got off easy
@@NexusofgeekThis is one of my favorite episodes (but what do I know, I like "Bad Eggs"): it's good to laugh, and Geller seemed to really enjoy herself here, which is also nice. Willow's scene with Parker is a winner.
@@melenatorr oh no. This is superior to Bad Eggs!
I don't get why this is so hated. When I first saw this I quite liked it. It's not a fav. It's not brilliant by BtVS standards. It's an off-episode. Also I've found I've come to find funnier and like it more on rewatching. Some wonderful moments, and delightful work by SMG.
I love it, Sarah's comedy potential is underrated
"what gives it away?"
"lookin' at it..."
:)
Man, I always feel like this episode gets a bad rap. It has been making laugh for 20 years. It's okay to have a dumb laugh.
definitely misunderstood in its weird charm and humor
The problem is that Buffy had long elevated itself from "dumb laugh", so it rankles simply because it is Buffy at this point in its' run. Not what one looks for in this show anymore. But, if nothing else, we got Parker getting hit in the head with a tree, so...
I like that it was also a smart dumb laugh. Exploring the psychology of parts of the brain. Using the most basic part of the brain to resolve the issue of an unhealthy obsession, I get tied into several things in the show including the representation of slayers being ego, superego and id. Willows playing parker was quite brilliant.I even liked some of the Xander storyline the idea of the pseudo intellectual trying to knock down the little guy. As well as his conscience and growth in not having stooped to their level. He would 100% have done what that bartender did in early season 3.
It's one thing to have a laugh, it's another thing altogether to absorb dumb humor into oneself which I feel like an entire generation of people did. It's 2022 and people are literally this dumb if not more so.
Beer Bad is... an episode that happened. I don't skip it on rewatches purely because cavewoman Buffy is so cute!
Don't forget Parker getting what's coming to him!
I enjoyed this episode much more in my mid 20's than I did when it came out when I was 14-15. And now, in my mid 30's? Ahhh, tale as old as time.
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It grows on you like stalagmites
I love how she just hit him on the head with a stick the best part
Grogg say assault funny
"My brother-in-law is a warlock.." It's Sunnydale, after all!!
Exactly. When you live on the Hellmouth, warlocks are just one more weird thing in a town full of weird things.
Lol. Yep. In a place like Sunnydale, you take that stuff seriously when someone says that.
Quote of the Day
**Chainsaw Noises**
-Giles
😂🤣😂
everyone in the comments is like 'no one else likes this episode but i'm very fond of it' anyway clearly we as a fandom have to reevaluate where we stand because we're all ashamed to admit we like it for fear of judgment even though apparently most people enjoy the campiness
It is the huilty pleasure episode. But it does also come off as a bit too moralizing about alcohol.
@@torfinnzempel6123 oh, for sure. but i think that's all part of the fun. i don't think anyone's buying into it on set
this episode was actually supposed to be an anti-drinking psa but it was denied as such bc it was too ridiculous lol
The moment where Willow asks Oz what is wrong and he takes a moment to reflect is actually sorta funny if you're thinking about id. It's as if Oz is noticing he has an id for the first time. He wants what he wants. His mature, thoughtful, stoic attitude won't stop it.
This episode doesn’t deserve all the hate it gets. Look at SMG and tell me she wasn’t having a blast!
I forgive this episode everything for Cavewoman Buffy. She is ADORABLE 😅🥰
Parker Bad!
*alley box. to Parker:* "Can you, like, disintegrate please?"
_Quote of the Day!!!_ 🙏👍👍👍
Willow: "See?!" One of my favorite lines.
I love how casually the bartender says, "My brother-in-law's a warlock, he showed me how to do it."
Word on the academic papers. In fact, I'm a freelance editor/proofreader, and I try to make papers more understandable if necessary.
Edit: I just realized a probably unintentional parallel between the opening of this episode and that of "Teacher's Pet" where Xander is fantasizing in class about saving and impressing Buffy.
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Fire bad, “tree pretty” yaaasss Alley
A lot of people hate this episode for some reason but I like it. I mean, it's not the greatest but it is fun. Also, this episode was nominated for an Emmy, so there's that.
It was nominated for hairstyling lol
@@stephtarrant5356 !
ngl i low key love this episode
Rumour was that there was some sort of federal tax break for tv networks who put anti-drug and alcohol messages into their shows, so they asked Mutant Enemy for a Buffy episode with an anti-alcohol message... They didn't get their tax break.
That is not a rumor. That is actually what happened.
Yeah they made the episode for them but they thought it was too out there and mystical which is weird cos it hits you over the head with the point.
@@Epic_JessabellAlso hits Parker over the head with a tree branch, which is a redeeming quality.
@@testytest69420 best moment in season 4 lets be honest here
I like how this episode at first appears to set up Buffy's desire for Parker as being this really primal thing (having to do with basic emotional desires that don't respect the facts). But even though her desire for love is straightforward, her feelings towards Parker are anything but. She's still entangled in the overly-complicated web of his fancy words, and her own self-identification with them.
Then it shows that on an even simpler level: "Parker Bad," and that somehow feels like an absolute victory of reason.
Sometimes we make things too complicated on ourselves!
It seems that over the years, everything that Buffy had been through has clearly affected her self-worth and so it's a correlation to how much that need for self-validation comes out in potential relationships. Angel decided to break up with her in the end of last season and this has affected much of her self-worth that she wonders if she's even desirable among men. So even when Parker had rejected her, she was still hanging on to the idea that she'll get him back, just like she did with Angel, when he rejected her after sleeping with him. It seems like she's trying to overlook all the flaws that are present, but really she's just so blinded by that hope and that need to have that 'love' reciprocated by the men who WERE interested in her. She needed to look at things at an objective standpoint just like Willow and that he's in fact a non-commital "poophead" who goes around fooling young women for sex. 😑
@@RitsychServare Yeah, part of me thinks that the whole Parker arc doesn't make sense, because how could she not see what a jerk he is? And how much of a zero he is compared to Angel? But she really believed his words I guess, and more to the point, the show-writers are trying to make a relatable "story-arc," and show how easy it is to be fooled.
You mentioned Angel, but a lot of the men in her life have abandoned her, including her father. Even Giles betrayed her in one episode, though that was brief. Maybe it is because, in Buffy's universe, she can rely on no one. At the end of the day, the buck always stops with Buffy.
Anyway this is why (SPOILERS)...
...Into the Woods is such an aggravating episode! For Xander to turn around and blame what's-his-face leaving on Buffy??? After so many men have abandoned her, and she always gives so much to the world, and gets so little back in return???
Some guys just aren't worth your time Buffy.
"They had it coming." He wasn't wrong.
I'm still kind of proud of the long words I learned at university. The ones that are specifically appropriate and necessary terms, rather than just in-group jargon and being florid to sound clever. It takes time afterwards to break it down into clearer communication, but you do have to go through that academic language to get on top of a subject. Also I've always enjoyed arguing about definitions, because wrong definitions and terms are usually where wrong thinking and confusion come from. Learning particular concepts like alienation, commodification and dehumanisation has made so many things clear for me.
Buffy fans smart!
This season has a really peculiar humour sometimes. I kinda love it hahaha The thing that makes me love this show is that the characters are so interesting that even absurd concepts like this one are still fun to watch
During the time of the airing of this episode, the government gave tax breaks to TV shows that presented a story teaching the dangers of drug and alcohol use to kids. This was the show's attempt at gaining that tax break. I say 'attempt' because the government would not cut them a break for this episode.
Omg thank you for the little rant about inaccessible language in academic papers, so true!
Ah, yes, Kal Penn in one of his first roles, long before his White Castle craving.
A lot of the Buffy fan community don't like this episode, but I think it's fun and enjoyable. It's not meant to be deep and heavy, it's about getting drunk. And Parker gets owned, twice. First by Willow. Then thumped by Buffy. How can you not enjoy that?
Buffy being hung up on Parker has a lot to do with her recent break up with Angel. She really wants the new guy to be the right one that´s why she tries so hard with Parker, that´s why she was scared when he wasn´t lying next to her the next morning. She´s not particularly into him, she just wants this thing to work. Buffy let him treat her badly.
Also Willow is brilliant in this episode and Buffy hitting Parker in the end is just so fun to watch! :)
that makes Buffy seem like an awful hypocrite.
@@x-man9473umm explain?..
The hammy, janky episodes are some of my favorites. Beer Bad, I Fall to Pieces, Go Fish, they're all so good tho. Embrace the ham!
Yeah, I mean it's intentional, not like they were shooting for serious and landed on weird by mistake.
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Nooooooooo. I hate Candy episodes
Is it a good episode? No. Is it really fun to watch? Yes.
I heartily disagree. This is the best episode of Season 4.
Now that is a hot take.
@@christianschoff2490 I wouldn't go that far but I do love it.
I know it's a show, so we tend to have less patience with story lines, but I appreciated the time they took with Buffy dealing with what happened with Parker. When you experience something like that for the first time with someone that you thought genuinely liked you back, it's not that easy to get over it. At least for me it wasn't 🤷🏻♀️ Took me quite a long time if I'm being honest.
3:42 - ALLEY: Oh, this is a dream.
𝘤𝘶𝘦 𝘸𝘪𝘯𝘥 𝘮𝘢𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘦
The problem with leaving Parker for the vamps is, what if they turned him, and then you had Vampire Parker hanging around all the time.
You know what, I think fans would like him better!
But then buff could stake him
Context helps--it was a thing in the year or two before this aired, there was a whole slate of 90s tv shows that dealt with drinking with one-off storylines like "On this very special episode of blah blah blah, you'll learn about the trauma of ALCOHOL and the ways it will destroy your life" and so Buffy, as per usual, flipped the script and viewed it through the hellmouth with less of a PSA feel. A lot of people hate it, but having my parents sit through a bunch of those episodes with me to teach me to never ever drink (which didn't work), I loved the irreverent tone of this one.
"Have they been to a party where they've been drinking?" I don't blame you for forgetting Reptile Boy. I've been trying to for decades now.
Okay now
and go fish pretty sure they were drinking at that bonfire in the beginning? Not the scooby gang I dont think but other people
Lol that’s what I thought too
She talked about it in the pervious episode about Halloween at the frat house. Lol. But it is a lot to remember.
Willow giving Parker the dressing down makes this episode epic all by itself.
I felt like this episode had some "Good Will Hunting" vibes in the bar scenes with all the put on smart talk. But aside from that, it was just hilarious at times. Almost mocking itself. Sometimes the Buffy series just takes time off to have some fun. This felt like that to me. Just a fun monster of the week. I am one of the ones who liked it.
EDIT: you could also say there's a little world building in that while many people clearly ignore the supernatural world, this story SUGGESTS there is a segment of human society outside watchers and slayers that actively participates. It is yet to be seen if that suggestion bears out.
I can't hate this episode when "lookin' at it" is hands down the best joke of the entire series
I actually like this episode. It has a lot of great one-liners and some good foreshadowing. :)
OMG We're here already?!
Idc what anyone says, Beer Bad is ICONIC! 😂👏👏👏
Great job as always Alley!
PS I need a shirt that says "My Brother-In-Law is a Warlock"
don't make cave slayer unhappy
I know soooooooooooooooo many people hate this episode but I'm just going to say it... "Cavewoman Buffy good!" ;-)
When I first watched this episode, I thought it was and still kinda think its one of the few bad filler episodes. But I forget it has some of the funniest lines!!! Willow: "and then group sex?" hahahaha!!!!
Every time you call Parker a “little bitch” I smile uncontrollably
There’s a surprisingly low level of hate in these comments. Usually this is one of the top five most hated eps among the fandom. I always thought it was... fine. SMG seems to having a lot of fun with the whole primitive Buffy thing.
I apologise whole heartedly for this episode. But, I mean, at least Parker got fked 🥰
Parker getting hit, Giles’s impression of Buffy’s caveman walk and Willow verbally destroying Parker are the highlights of this ep👑
I read that as killed and I was about to be like “I WISH”😂 No but really though, I agree
This hit the anti-drinking and the Men are Beasts messages rather hard. But, I really enjoyed Cave-Buffy and wish we could have seen more of her. The season is still developing, and your enthusiasm for it is contageous. Keep up the good work!
I remember this was like the "One Beer" episode of Tiny Toons, where they were forced to make the usual anti alcohol special episode and tried to make it as stupid as possible.
The girl singer is Veruca and yes she's the same one that Oz saw earlier and gave him pause.
I like this episode for Cave-Buffy, especially when she was watching TV. "Where people go?"
One of the reasons why I love this episode is that the flag of my country (Wales) was shown (in the bar) cause the first time I saw that I was like "Wow, Americans actually know Wales exists" lol
This is an interesting, odd season. It is not universally loved by the fandom, but I personally have it at number 3 of the 7 seasons on my list of favorites. No spoilers, but I'll try to comment on further S4 episodes after you have seen and commented on them them.
Likewise with the ranking.
I do like the main theme of the season, but that only is made clear with how they handle the final boss, so, y'know... And the true story of thi truly starts in like, 2 episodes, we're not there yet!
Same ranking here.
Alley! Yes, Alley! An academic paper should be understandable! That's *good* writing. One of several reasons Derrida drove me mad during my Masters. He set out to make his works as incomprehensible as possible to, apparently, showcase postmodernism at work. 🙄
This episode is fun to watch for me because of the payoff at the end when Buffy bonks Parker in the head with her club-type thing and knocks him out. Willow's response to him was also fantastic. I always look forward to those 2 scenes when I re-watch Buffy.
BUFFY STRONG
I enjoy this episode. It's stupid and silly, but I like that.
I've always liked this episode. I know the majority of the fandom dislikes it, but there are definitely worse episodes in the series.
I love the whole series. Don't get the hate.
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Like the next episode?
It's worth watching just to see Buffy beat up Parker.
Totally. Personally, I'd far rather watch this several times over than the episode later this season Where the Wild Things Are. It's not a deep, classy episode, but it's enjoyable. There are fun moments. That other episode just makes me feel vaguely ill throughout.
(...that teacher episode from season 1)
18:17 Added note, you are a beautiful person. Just a general announcement.
A) Single night of passion. There bad Parker, lie deflated.
B) Love the layers beneath the WTF stuff.
Exploring the psychology of parts of the brain. Using the most basic part of the brain to resolve the issue of an unhealthy obsession, and the irony of that while tying into the slayer metaphor.
C) Willows playing parker was quite brilliant. Physical+mental revenge on Parker.
C) I even liked some of the Xander storyline the idea of the pseudo intellectual trying to knock down the little guy. As well as his conscience and growth in not having stooped to their level. He would 100% have done what that bartender did in early season 3. Basically the bad man is what he would be if he hadn't matured past the valentine's episode, showing the difference between the child behavior and the adult behavior and how different it looks when it's an adult.
One of the first appearances of Kal Penn.
I love to see you calling out Parker’s manipulative bs.
Buffy was drinking at a party in "Reptile boy". So thats something.
Parker about sex: "I will never grow any older with you." How very Angelus of him.
Reiterating daydreams and adding good things cant just be me, right?
Sometimes an episode is just silly fun. And the thing is , when you have witchcraft and sorcery flying around heavily , you would probably have some weird , and even funny and goofy events take place. Like this.
An enjoyable running commentary review and another great episode analysis. Thanks!
Me sitting down with a nice summer wheat ale to enjoy this episode 😂
One of the fears you left off was Buffy's fear of abandonment. Notice how all the other characters leave her at the houses entrance.
This episode is so hilarious, I always have a great time watching it.
I forgive a lot of this episode just for those last fifteen seconds and Willow.
Count me among those who thought this ep was terrific light hearted fun.
Loving these recaps even more than usual this season.
The "smart" guy at the bar reminded me of that one d-bag at the bar in Good Will Hunting.
This is one of the funniest episodes!!!
The lady Oz is looking at at the Bronze he got a weird vibe from in a previous episode, they cross paths for a moment.
I've always loved this episode. It's *hilarious.*
This is one of my favourite comedic episodes of the show, I was in stitches all the way through! 😂
So the story of this episode (as far as I can remember, which may be off on the details) is that the Bush Administration had an initiative to encourage teenage sobriety and were sponsoring episodes of TV shows that fit their stance on the issue. The execs wanted to go for the money and so they made this episode, but they ultimately were denied the money because the gov't was like 'wtf is this? it's not real beer.'
A lot of people hate this episode. I think it's hilarious.
I love that the execs ordered them to make a "Beer Bad" PSA, and so they made a hilarious anti-PSA in which the great moral of the story is "Beer Foamy." It's so weird to me that people then claim to dislike this episode because it's a moralizing PSA. It's like, did you actually watch the episode? Or did you just read the title and decide to skip the whole 'watching it' part?
For the times you mentioned your shirt I'd like to say I have the exact same shirt and also just happened to wear it today.
I love this episode.
The weirder, the better.
Like, Parker was a CLOWN, so it's only fitting that his story arc gets completed in a goofy-ass episode.
And that. That bit at the end. Turns Beer Bad from a meh episode to an amazing one. Same with Willow's verbal beatdown of Parker.
"What's going on with this episode."
If I remember correctly there was money on the table from the government for an anti-alchohol/drug episode. Though I maybe be mixing this up with another mediocre episode with a similar theme from another show.
I don't care enough to look it up, but I think you're right about this one. I sorta recall hearing about it.
This is true. They government offered money for shows to have anti drinking episodes. The really funny thing is that this episode was made especially to qualify for the credit but they ended up not getting any of the money for it because the government argued it doesn’t depict a realistic scenario that teens would relate to.
@@samfasnacht673 okay that's funny, I didn't remember that part of it. Thank you.
A young Kal Penn was one of the cavemen dudes before Harold and Kumar or even Van Wilder.
I agree that academic papers are shit. I wrote 2 back to back papers at University for my Business course. One paper was all me, my thoughts and understanding of the subject; the other I barely followed myself, but I put in a bunch of references to books on the reading list. The 2nd one got a better grade. That's when it occurred to me that academic papers are shit. I'm not convinced my tutor actually read either paper.
I love willow in this episode. It's another time she shows she will not be fooled with. It's such a callback to The Pack, when it seems like Xander is going to convince her to free him from the cage but she shows she wasn't falling for it.
I love how absolutely nobody cares about the villain this episode. So pathetically petty that nobody could be bothered to teach him any kind of lesson.
So, you might already know this, but this episode was supposed to help get the show funding since the government was giving money to shows that had a message about the dangers of drugs/alcohol. Unfortunately, they didn't think the message was clear enough because titling the episode Beer Bad and having Giles mention that all beer is bad was not direct enough 🤦♀️ So yeah, despite writing this episode solely for funding... they didn't get it.
These episodes are definitely "after school specials". You kind of know what they are doing and can see the hollywood executive's fingers in the writing. I think all 90's shows had this edutainment aspect to prove to the government that tv isn't all mind numbing junk food for the brain.
This episode is a very hilarious, cheesy episode. I love Cave Buffy.
Your take on academia is a total mood
I’m supposed to be getting ready for work and I’m lying down watching this.
Alley Box addictive
Alley Box bad. 😝
Awe yes, on a very special episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
So glad you finally figured out that was the same girl Oz saw earlier.
I was like "Come on! You saw her"
I have to count myself as another person who actually likes this episode, there's other episodes that I have far less interest in, I think there's alot to enjoy here, even if as a whole it's not the greatest, I like silly stupid buffy episodes lol
LOL
Having watched and re-watched the whole show a couple of times, it is funny hearing you talk about adding a new character and maybe the T.A.
Tara and Riley become very important parts of the show.
I don't even call this episode Beer Bad. I just called this the Solomon Grundy episode.
I call it Episode Bad
So, you’re right. This is not the first time we’re seeing the woman Oz can’t stop staring at..we see her for a brief moment in Living Conditions where they walked past each other and immediately locked eyes.
I was laughing my arse off the entire episode
I was watching with my mom cause I the show is nostalgic to her
This is definitely one of the episodes of Buffy.
Wow, Alley did say those two words! Can't wait to season five!
Buffy knocking Parker out is great and I always find myself quoting Drusilla: do it again, do it again. However, the best part of this episode is Willow seeing through Parker´s shitshow.
I just can’t wait for your reaction to season 5. And it hurts that I can’t tell you why.
SAME!!!
Even in the future of 2023, Cave Buffy is awesome.
One of my favourites 😁 anytime something happens which effects/changes a characters behaviour it's always so interesting to me which is why I love all those type of episodes ❤️😆 XxXxX
I realize again that this episode may be setting something up. Not saying what, but it stands out upon rewatching.
I’m just sitting here waiting
@@rainl7066 waiting for me to say what? Or waiting for that what?
@@fad23 the next few episodes for her to react to lol. Some of the best are coming up this season
@@rainl7066 oh yeah, I get that too.
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lol this reminds me of that Mean Girls” scene where the professor says m “you’ll die” 😂
You're reactions are priceless!!
This isn't one of my fav episodes. " Candy episodes" aren't my FAVORITE.