I like how Eric Bischoff is starting to relax now as the shows go on and I think thy are getting better as a result. The more relaxed he is the better u can get a true sense of the man. Starting to become a great show.
Because Conrad needs Bischoff more than Bischoff needs Conrad. So Bischoff can spin his bullshit and Conrad won't call him out on it. Notice he isn't *nearly* as confrontational in talking to Bischoff as he is talking to Pritchard.
@@TheVampirePredator Eric does a great job of letting his viewpoint and opinion be known, I'm sure you honestly think it's "him spinning," but this isn't the case. At least from the episodes I've listened to. And I'm not saying he is always factually correct, but that isn't the same as being dishonest.
This is one of my favorite podcasts out there,I mostly listen while playing on my PS4. The shows very insightful and hilarious, especially towards the end cuz Eric losens up after couple of beers and Conrad is the man!
I just discovered this podcast a handful of months ago, I agree it’s really hilarious and one of my favorites now. One thing I don’t like about Conrad is that he jumps on any opportunity to call Eric out when he’s wrong or when he thinks he’s bullshitting about an answer…however when scummy Dave Meltzer is proven to be lying about something or did a really bad job reporting something and was just blatantly wrong, it’s crickets from Conrad. Eric gets done stating why Dave was completely wrong and/or just lying and Conrad just moves on and doesn’t comment on it. We get it Conrad you’re friends with Dave but if you’re going to call out Eric for lying all the time, why is it ok for your friend Dave to constantly lie to sell more magazines?
Jericho made Jericho in wcw as we all know not Eric or anyone else . Jericho got himself over by doing honestly more then I have seen any guy do with nothing.
Chris O so true but Eric did gave him t.v. time but he wanted more he had an ego ...now that said it was a healthy ego not like the others back then ... But at the beginning he was greenish but..in his view he was mistreated and I bet that made him so much more hungry what we got in WWE
This comment is very true. I can’t think of even one wrestler that was given less and got over on the same level as Chris Jericho. He was so far ahead of his time.
Chris O Eric told the bookers in WCW January 1999 to job Jericho until July, when his contract was up. For Eric to try to take credit for any of Jericho’s success is total revisionist BS.
The reason this show is so freaking awesome, is because Eric, in my opinion, seems to be very open and honest in his recollection of details, whether he can't remember, or yes he did it. Amazing from Eric 👍
Contrary to popular believe Chris Jericho did get a push in WCW. How many mid-carders We’re allowed to get on the microphone and declare Monday nitro as there show? “Monday night Jericho”. If you were not in the NWO, Or a top WCW guy, you rarely got microphone time, Chris Jericho did. He was allowed to hold up nitro segment time with his annoying/hilarious antics. He lost the cruiserweight championship, the next night won the television belt. Had he not been allowed to get himself over, thanx to WCW. The WWF never would’ve hired him. That’s why when he went over there, everybody was anticipating it. The whole crowd chanted “Raw is Jericho” in 1999. The problem was Chris Jericho was a mark for himself. He expected to be world champion. In a era where you had Lex Luger, Sting, Hogan, DDP, Savage, Goldberg, and Nash. He expected to “go over” all those other guys? GTFOH. Dude, you’ll have to wait your turn. That would have been like Shawn Michaels being the wwf world champion during the ultimate warrior, Hogan, macho man, & piper era. He had to wait his turn.
Call me crazy, but I think that Eric is coming off pretty well in this series so far. He reacts calmly and rationally to Conrad's wild and often irate speculation about things that he knows very little about. Don't get me wrong, good on Conrad for putting this together, but his reliance on Meltzer et al. seems kind of like looking at the National Inquirer as an encyclopedia.
Yeah Conrad loved to call out Eric for lying or being wrong but anytime it’s proven Dave Meltzer is lying, Conrad just ignores it and moves on. Why is it fine with Conrad for Dave to be a scummy fuck who constantly gets stuff wrong and lies in order to sell magazines?
@@jdh9219 to be fair, he is not interviewing Dave, he is interviewing Eric. I'm sure if he was interviewing Dave that you would expect Conrad to call out Dave's BS
Chris Jericho's heel turn going into 98' was one of the best storylines ever done, other than the NWO, in WCW. My cousin was a huge fan of Heel Jericho. His personality really comes out as a heel. Taking the Luchadors mask off every pay-per-view was a great idea. I enjoyed that more than his Y2J persona, in the WWE.
I grew up in Charleston, WV... which is only 7-8 hours from Philly, and even we didn’t get ECW on TV. I never even knew what ECW was until the Internet blew up circa 1998.
I always thought wcw's cruiserweight division was a huge selling point vs wwe. It was a way they differentiated themselves, and the matches were so hi octane.
I agree I liked psycosis juventud guerrera ultimo dragon stinko malenko heck you can even count Perry Saturn in that conversation along with Eddie and Chris and Chris and Dean. Just no more glacier please!
2:44:00 Eric's explanation of why there was never a Goldberg/Jericho match is clearly not true. Goldberg had a legit match (one of his best) with DDP at Halloween Havoc right at this time. Goldberg could have a match by this point, he just didn't want to do it. It was a mistake by Eric and Goldberg that they won't own up to.
Jericho working with Goldberg was such a reach though. Jericho had barely survived the TV title division and he was going to work with GOLDBERG next? A good example of why they were smart not going too deep with it is Hulk Hogan and Billy Kidman's feud. You can't just throw someone into a feud with an elite main eventer if they're working Alex Wright and Juventud leading up to it lol.
@@waxoftriple9 A few months later Jericho has one of the greatest debuts of all time in the WWE showing that his popularity was top shelf. A competent wrestling company could have built this match up in a short time period ovver two months using the two best things on Nitro during 1998.
@@2HitWonder and according to Jericho's book nobody smartened him up to the way they did business in WWF and he almost got bounced and still did basically nothing with him. Same with the Radicalz and DDP. Wouldn't call them super competent.
I don't know about ya'll, but the Jericho/Lion picture used here looks more like Chris and the Lion are high school sweethearts....with Jericho playing the "too cool for school" expression and the lion giving Chris a passion love bite on his ear
You missed his best introduction at Slamboree 98 "This is Silver King, if he wins 5 more matches he'll be upgraded to Golden King" I've loved Jericho since 97...Best in the world
Pretty good episode. Interesting to hear the Jericho story from the other side of the fence. A couple of points: 1. Disco Inferno was the person who came up with the "Man of 1004 Holds" list segment. Him and Jericho had a good laugh about it on Jericho's podcast a couple of years back where Jericho acknowledged it was Disco who came up with it. 2. Eric is absolutely right in his points regarding unmasking Juventud Guerrera. Storytelling in places like America and the UK has a different philosophy. Being in front of the camera, you have to have a character to get over, and you absolutely have to sell that character with strong facial expressions/body language, and good timing and presence. Juvi got over doing the "Juice" character, and Rey didn't rise up the card until he lost his mask and started mixing it up with the big dudes like Norton and Nash.
I must have been one of the rare American fans who hate unmasking the luchas. Body language can sell just as good as facial expressions, and the luchas were great at it. You could still see the expressions on some of the masked guys. When they unmasked Juvy and Rey, I was seriously disappointed. The masks were so badass.
I know that EA was working with Disco for their game, so that makes sense. The producer for the game brought a list from a friend called the big big book of wrestling moves which got passed on to Jericho who read it on TV.
@@myquest666420 Liger gets over huge on body language. Rey's very open mask was fine. WCW just wanted to market to single moms& re-invent the characters
Ultimo Dragon was one of my favorite wrestlers at the time, that was basically when I first started watching. Back then the Cruiserweights were a big deal to me.
The cruiserweight scene in wcw has the matches that aged the best over the years. They all had great chemistry and ring work. Jericho and Eddie brought the mic skills and charisma to couple with all the great workers who inhabited the division to make compelling angles, storylines and especially matches.
basically this all boils down to lack of trust in management, lack of guidance by upper management to all talents, the egos of all the big talents, bad booking by nash and others to get themselves overs instead, bad people like hall etc.
I still have a bunch of WCW action figures still in box. One of the sets all have the same UPC code, which I found odd. I can see the chance that a retailer would have it listed as Hulk Hogan action figure, when the figures are all probably just assorted.
RIGHT ON! FINALLY a podcast with HEAT !!! I think Conrad is WELL AWARE of where the bread is buttered" on this show . And he's better than ever before. Got something here none of his other podcasts have.
2:57:45 You can tell Eric's feelings are hurt (totally understandable!) Yet instead of just drilling Chris for being an asshole, he makes an excellent point about how he never tried to be someone he wasn't. He didn't put on an act for anyone so they would think different of him. Say what you want about Easy E's business practices, but what he said was pretty damn commendable IMO.
I am not a fan of the Bret Hart episode, nor the Finger Poke episode frankly. But, I have got to give it to Eric. He, and Conrad are getting a chemistry brewing and Eric is coming across as more of a straight shooter now, compared to the earlier shows. He sounded quite confident when defending himself here and it was awesome how he gave Chris the gears right back. I hope Conrad can find a way every episode to make fun of the WCW backstage environment along the same lines as the tiki/laundry part. I enjoyed Eric verifying the truth as he sees it whenever Connie read from the book. I like the friendly heat here. The more serious tone is a nice contrast to STW. Conrad runs the top 3 wrestling podcasts imo. Yet they are all different and great in their own way. I hope we get a Big Bang episode sometime. And hopefully E&C can keep up the momentum (they will). Excellent episode. All I want for Xmas is a roundtable of Tony, Bruce, Eric, and Conrad.
Goldbergs problem was he never understood the business and he was never a fan. He even said je was basically just a meathead that couldnt play football anymore and had to make a living
@@jeffzehnpfennig1554 you are not wrong but at least warrior had some kind of character appeal. I remember before i watched wcw i saw a poster or something and just thought "whats up woth the fake stone cold?"
i love how Honest Eric. is.. Look that was 21 yrs ago i can't remember what i had for dinner last night.. I hired Jericho and the rest i don't remember.
This was my favourite episode of these yet. Like Conrad some of Jericho's heel stuff in WCW are some of my favourite things from that era too. Jericho's heel turn was awesome. Credit to Eric for putting him over like he does considering they didn't always have the best relationship. The Goldberg stuff was really interesting too.
Probably not. The people who didn't want it there were in the company before AOL came along, it just took getting Ted out the door which would have happened at some point regardless. Then again, that's just a guess
It's a historically bad company only two years profitable out of 12 by the 2000 they were already losing close to 60million alone. Overpriced contract and creative control.
Conrad makes Eric's point regarding Jericho being loyal when his contract wasn't signed and still not bolting to russo...if he felt shortchanged he may not have felt that little bit of loyalty
Eric's explanation for giving Jericho more money than he asked is 100% legit and anyone who's listened to wrestlers talk about money knows that Jericho would have eventually found out and been pissed. It's a joke how him doing that is somehow a negative to some people. Plus it was a measly 30 grand.
On the topic of "cool heel", Eric in his own book talked down about Triple H and how he's basically a cool heel that doesn't really get over babyfaces with the cool entrance, the cool music, etc.
Noticed Bischoff say here no one else wanted to run WCW when he took over and on later episodes he says he had heat from several people that he stepped over to get the position. Tony Shiavone being one
Eric just doesn’t want to admit that at that time he didn’t see enough on Jericho, to give him a push. And the reason he doesn’t admit it, it’s because afterwards Vince Russo made Jericho a star in the WWF!
I was at the Norfolk Scope attending Nitro and DX was there. While some of it may have been pre-taped, they were there when we were in line waiting to get in. Best guess would have been around 6:30.
I wouldn't necessarily "take Bischoff to task" for relying on the older guys. I would criticise him for dropping the ball on some of the greatest talents in the business at that time. There's always more to the story that fans weren't around to know. So some of the wrestlers who fans felt deserved a top spot might have shot themselves in the foot in other ways. It happened enough times though that it would be impossible to say he never dropped the ball on anyone. For what it's worth every promoter has their flaws. The phrase "dropped the ball" has been mentioned towards Vince McMahon hundreeds of times.
Now THIS is an episode where I really wish they could've had Jericho on the horn to confirm or deny and to add to the conversation - the man's own perspective. I feel the episode could've benefited tremendously from that.
The original ECW aired on 'SportsChannel' every Tuesday in the early evening, either at 5 PM EST or 6 PM EST. The channel would replay Tuesday's episode a few days later on Thursdays at either 10 PM EST or 11 PM EST.
“Since I took care of Mr. Jannetty so quickly, I came prepared. Malenko, you claim to be the ‘Man of 1000 Holds’ but I counted, and you know about 60. But I know 1004 and I wrote them all down.” -Chris Jericho
If he never did cruiserweight vs Benoit in 94 in Japan, if he never did it in WCW, to McMahon he'd be just a guy too small to be of any use. You know it. It was a chance to steal a WCW guy that gave him any chance there.
@@danielrierson6683 Watch him vs Benoit in 94 in Japan. You can just tell, it's all there, the F bombs, the heel persona. It's like Steve Austin, he's that same guy on the mic as he'd be in a bar drunk. IMO anyhow. That's why they came off natural, it was their persona LOL.
Imagine being Conrad and having a job that revolves around asking people how much they make and not think people discuss pay. I'm sure people only tell mortgage brokers what their income is though.
Foley doesn't actually call him atm Eric. He was making about standard for his position. Listened to Cornette enough to have an idea on what wrestlers were making.
I agree with Eric the way Chris won’t that belt helped his character be made it seem like it was the best thing in pro wrestling and it was funny and made people like him
Man the more I learn about Goldberg....................................well the shine has definitely worn off. Talk about getting "high on your own supply of hype."
Souled Out 97 is very underrated. That PPV had a great look. I loved the nWo ring and the gritty look with the names in lights. Had an Escape From New York feel.
@@nateputerbaugh5709 IN all fairness he's just talking about the look of the PPV. And it did look fucking cool. Just because the in ring action was trash and the dumb Miss NWO contest was on it doesn't change the look.
The top complaint I have with all these post-mortems on WCW is the same old lazy excuse that Hulk Hogan ruined everything. That's bullshit. Everyone complies in their own fate. Jon Moxley said this himself in Chris Jericho's own podcast (and Jericho even agreed with him!) when he said: "I didn't want to be another one of those guys telling all the new kids that get called up, 'I could'a been somebody. I was supposed to be champ but Hogan screwed me'. I hate those guys. .... At the end of the day, this business is a shoot and every guy in that locker room knows it. If Hogan screwed you back in the day, the only thing that tells me is he wanted it more than you, and you let him because you probably spent too much time at the bar or strip club at the end of the night."
Well that’s why Jericho left. He went to a situation where Hogan (and the rest of the giants in the main event scene) couldn’t keep him down. With that said, Jericho wasn’t going to be world champion anywhere before the year 2000/2001 at the earliest.
While I think they could've had at least a ppv title match, there's no fucking way Jericho should have beaten Goldberg in 98. I'm glad they did not do that. And I am a big fan of Jericho's 98 work. I think the goldberg storyline was a great detour in his story. But anything other than goldberg destroying him in 5 minutes would have been ridiculous.
I remember how much I hated Jericho back in WCW. But then he would just start referring to Rey Mysterio as Ron Mysterio or Tony Schiavone as Tony Skee-uh-vone, and I couldn’t help but laugh my ass off at the time.
@Millennial Smark I don't know. I thought most of his WWF lines were just bleh. Although his, "you just made the list" stuff a few years ago was pretty funny. If we're gonna talk about Michael Cole, we should talk about all the shit the Rock said about him. Lol
Jericho is a great example of making yourself a success.
You wouldn't know
@@maxwelljacobfreedom 😂😂😂😂
I like how Eric Bischoff is starting to relax now as the shows go on and I think thy are getting better as a result. The more relaxed he is the better u can get a true sense of the man. Starting to become a great show.
Road Warrior yeah they know how to play off each other now.
Because Conrad needs Bischoff more than Bischoff needs Conrad. So Bischoff can spin his bullshit and Conrad won't call him out on it. Notice he isn't *nearly* as confrontational in talking to Bischoff as he is talking to Pritchard.
@@TheVampirePredator Eric does a great job of letting his viewpoint and opinion be known, I'm sure you honestly think it's "him spinning," but this isn't the case. At least from the episodes I've listened to.
And I'm not saying he is always factually correct, but that isn't the same as being dishonest.
This is one of my favorite podcasts out there,I mostly listen while playing on my PS4. The shows very insightful and hilarious, especially towards the end cuz Eric losens up after couple of beers and Conrad is the man!
I just discovered this podcast a handful of months ago, I agree it’s really hilarious and one of my favorites now. One thing I don’t like about Conrad is that he jumps on any opportunity to call Eric out when he’s wrong or when he thinks he’s bullshitting about an answer…however when scummy Dave Meltzer is proven to be lying about something or did a really bad job reporting something and was just blatantly wrong, it’s crickets from Conrad. Eric gets done stating why Dave was completely wrong and/or just lying and Conrad just moves on and doesn’t comment on it. We get it Conrad you’re friends with Dave but if you’re going to call out Eric for lying all the time, why is it ok for your friend Dave to constantly lie to sell more magazines?
Jericho was at his best in WCW. HIS FIRST THEME IS HIS BEST THEME. thanks for playing it!
Noel ComiX Second one is better than the shitty stock music, surely?
his first theme was a cover I just can't remember which song
The original was an instrumental of All My Life by Mammoth
That cruiserweight division was the shit. The best action in wrestling for a long long time.
Electronic arts did not make wrestling games anywhere NEARLY as well as Aki and Asmik. Those WCW vs games on Playstation and N64 were magic.
Noel ComiX WCW World Tour and WCW vs NWO Revenge were great games.
Those Aki/Asmik wrestling games on the n64 were the greatest ever.
jshudo44 vs the world is another great one!
fmthebaron no question!!
WCW had some great games but WWF No Mercy was the best N64 wrestling game ever.
Jericho is my favorite of all time and I've always loved his WCW work. His podcast sent me here, and I loved hearing Eric's views on him
CLASSIC BUSTA RHYMES PLAYING AT THE START! I couldn’t even concentrate on what was being said all I could here was everything remains raw! 🔥
"Word to the holy Quran, I rock on and on.."
Chris Jericho made him self one of the greatest of all time
Raymond Larrouy not even close
Easily
@@ryancartwright1751 Very close, actually. People were even treating him like big-shit before he went to WCW.
facts
In terms of what ? He good but he never been considered in that conversation
Jericho made Jericho in wcw as we all know not Eric or anyone else . Jericho got himself over by doing honestly more then I have seen any guy do with nothing.
Chris O so true but Eric did gave him t.v. time but he wanted more he had an ego ...now that said it was a healthy ego not like the others back then ... But at the beginning he was greenish but..in his view he was mistreated and I bet that made him so much more hungry what we got in WWE
@@ascendingdemon4801 he was mistreated. You had a ton of high paid guys who weren't nearly as over or entertaining as Jericho
This comment is very true. I can’t think of even one wrestler that was given less and got over on the same level as Chris Jericho. He was so far ahead of his time.
Chris O
Eric told the bookers in WCW January 1999 to job Jericho until July, when his contract was up. For Eric to try to take credit for any of Jericho’s success is total revisionist BS.
Don’t just dismiss facts that go against your narrative, confront them...if you dare. 🙄
These podcasts are great Conrad. Interviewing people you like and admire is a hell of an awesome way to make a living!
I think Jericho was a very good and popular babyface in 96. Fans in the crowd loved him.
It was not that good in wCw. In ECW, this was true bc he was a different character
The reason this show is so freaking awesome, is because Eric, in my opinion, seems to be very open and honest in his recollection of details, whether he can't remember, or yes he did it. Amazing from Eric 👍
i disagree , anytime something comes up that seems like it can bruise Eric's ego it always seems to be downplayed or denied
I haven't heard Jericho's theme music in atleast 21 years! I'm glad they played it during the ad break.
Contrary to popular believe Chris Jericho did get a push in WCW.
How many mid-carders We’re allowed to get on the microphone and declare Monday nitro as there show?
“Monday night Jericho”.
If you were not in the NWO,
Or a top WCW guy, you rarely got microphone time, Chris Jericho did.
He was allowed to hold up nitro segment time with his annoying/hilarious antics.
He lost the cruiserweight championship, the next night won the television belt.
Had he not been allowed to get himself over, thanx to WCW.
The WWF never would’ve hired him.
That’s why when he went over there, everybody was anticipating it.
The whole crowd chanted “Raw is Jericho” in 1999.
The problem was Chris Jericho was a mark for himself. He expected to be world champion.
In a era where you had Lex Luger, Sting, Hogan, DDP, Savage, Goldberg, and Nash.
He expected to “go over” all those other guys?
GTFOH.
Dude, you’ll have to wait your turn.
That would have been like Shawn Michaels being the wwf world champion during the ultimate warrior, Hogan, macho man, & piper era.
He had to wait his turn.
How long though?
@@MohamedAli-xu3uw
How Long?
I suggest you binge youtube his WCW career.
Also wikipedia his career.
And at the end of the day he is a cruiserweight. Loved his WCW time, but when Jericho and Benoit are heavyweight champ, it looks really bad
Call me crazy, but I think that Eric is coming off pretty well in this series so far. He reacts calmly and rationally to Conrad's wild and often irate speculation about things that he knows very little about. Don't get me wrong, good on Conrad for putting this together, but his reliance on Meltzer et al. seems kind of like looking at the National Inquirer as an encyclopedia.
Love that analogy
a tip : watch movies on flixzone. Been using it for watching loads of movies lately.
@Colten Coleman definitely, I have been watching on flixzone for months myself :)
Yeah Conrad loved to call out Eric for lying or being wrong but anytime it’s proven Dave Meltzer is lying, Conrad just ignores it and moves on. Why is it fine with Conrad for Dave to be a scummy fuck who constantly gets stuff wrong and lies in order to sell magazines?
@@jdh9219 to be fair, he is not interviewing Dave, he is interviewing Eric. I'm sure if he was interviewing Dave that you would expect Conrad to call out Dave's BS
Chris Jericho's heel turn going into 98' was one of the best storylines ever done, other than the NWO, in WCW. My cousin was a huge fan of Heel Jericho. His personality really comes out as a heel. Taking the Luchadors mask off every pay-per-view was a great idea. I enjoyed that more than his Y2J persona, in the WWE.
I grew up in Charleston, WV... which is only 7-8 hours from Philly, and even we didn’t get ECW on TV. I never even knew what ECW was until the Internet blew up circa 1998.
Not surprising. ECW was on local channels in large markets or accessible with a satellite dish.
I always thought wcw's cruiserweight division was a huge selling point vs wwe. It was a way they differentiated themselves, and the matches were so hi octane.
They were vanilla midgets. Never drew a dime
Yeah!!!! Yes! Times 5.
Agreed. El Dandy = ratings
Doug. Navarone you’re a moron
I agree I liked psycosis juventud guerrera ultimo dragon stinko malenko heck you can even count Perry Saturn in that conversation along with Eddie and Chris and Chris and Dean. Just no more glacier please!
There should be an episode dedicated to Ralphus.
Magic
This cannot be said enough
Really need to see that as well
Definitely
Yes
2:44:00 Eric's explanation of why there was never a Goldberg/Jericho match is clearly not true. Goldberg had a legit match (one of his best) with DDP at Halloween Havoc right at this time. Goldberg could have a match by this point, he just didn't want to do it. It was a mistake by Eric and Goldberg that they won't own up to.
Jericho working with Goldberg was such a reach though. Jericho had barely survived the TV title division and he was going to work with GOLDBERG next? A good example of why they were smart not going too deep with it is Hulk Hogan and Billy Kidman's feud. You can't just throw someone into a feud with an elite main eventer if they're working Alex Wright and Juventud leading up to it lol.
It wasn't that big of a mistake. The thing is if they weren't going to do the match, they should've never started the feud to begin with.
@@waxoftriple9 A few months later Jericho has one of the greatest debuts of all time in the WWE showing that his popularity was top shelf. A competent wrestling company could have built this match up in a short time period ovver two months using the two best things on Nitro during 1998.
@@2HitWonder and according to Jericho's book nobody smartened him up to the way they did business in WWF and he almost got bounced and still did basically nothing with him. Same with the Radicalz and DDP. Wouldn't call them super competent.
bob Byrne Vince always breaks down newcomers. Two years later Jericho was the first undisputed champ. He did fine there.
21:40 Theres a little bit of Vince Russo in all of us Bro
Eric was so on the ball about atm Vince towards the end. smart of Conrad to note it
Eric pounding his desk into the earth after every bro really floored me. 1:11:53 has me at work dying
I don't know about ya'll, but the Jericho/Lion picture used here looks more like Chris and the Lion are high school sweethearts....with Jericho playing the "too cool for school" expression and the lion giving Chris a passion love bite on his ear
You missed his best introduction at Slamboree 98 "This is Silver King, if he wins 5 more matches he'll be upgraded to Golden King" I've loved Jericho since 97...Best in the world
This is my favorite podcast
I still have my Monday Night Jericho WCW shirt, so I think someone bought one.
I look forward to this podcast every week
Pretty good episode. Interesting to hear the Jericho story from the other side of the fence.
A couple of points:
1. Disco Inferno was the person who came up with the "Man of 1004 Holds" list segment. Him and Jericho had a good laugh about it on Jericho's podcast a couple of years back where Jericho acknowledged it was Disco who came up with it.
2. Eric is absolutely right in his points regarding unmasking Juventud Guerrera. Storytelling in places like America and the UK has a different philosophy. Being in front of the camera, you have to have a character to get over, and you absolutely have to sell that character with strong facial expressions/body language, and good timing and presence. Juvi got over doing the "Juice" character, and Rey didn't rise up the card until he lost his mask and started mixing it up with the big dudes like Norton and Nash.
disagree to an extent there's a reason why the wwe put the mask back on Mysterious as he did lose "it" when he lost the mask.
I must have been one of the rare American fans who hate unmasking the luchas. Body language can sell just as good as facial expressions, and the luchas were great at it.
You could still see the expressions on some of the masked guys.
When they unmasked Juvy and Rey, I was seriously disappointed. The masks were so badass.
I know that EA was working with Disco for their game, so that makes sense. The producer for the game brought a list from a friend called the big big book of wrestling moves which got passed on to Jericho who read it on TV.
@@myquest666420 Liger gets over huge on body language. Rey's very open mask was fine. WCW just wanted to market to single moms& re-invent the characters
I looked forward to Jerichos rivalry with Stinko Malenko more than anything at the time.
Awesome show. Also I love how you played the WCW/nWo Revenge Starrcade arena music in the end.
This is awesome! But now I want this Hogan Contract debate! Is it in the Hogan saved WCW episode in the 200’s or did they just skip that one? 2:18:20
Iv listened to all 6 episodes and they just get better and better 🤘
Ultimo Dragon was one of my favorite wrestlers at the time, that was basically when I first started watching. Back then the Cruiserweights were a big deal to me.
The cruiserweight scene in wcw has the matches that aged the best over the years. They all had great chemistry and ring work. Jericho and Eddie brought the mic skills and charisma to couple with all the great workers who inhabited the division to make compelling angles, storylines and especially matches.
That Busta Rhymes beat at the beginning is straight Raw 😂😂
Raymond Harris Everytbing remains raw! My guy! Went searching in the comments for lone other person that picked up on this 🔥
@@BrickFlairMMA Everything Remains Raw my guy 😂 thought i was the only one who got it
"F what'chu heard, you ain't heard this before!!"
"THERE'S ONLY 5 YEARS LEFT!.."
Love how Eric says "bro", then catches himself sounding like Russo, and you can literally hear him cringe hahaha
I think Bischoff's word of choice for this week was "Machiavellian".
ZealousZombie01 narrative is always a contender.
The JMC
“That’s the narrative they want to put over”
basically this all boils down to lack of trust in management, lack of guidance by upper management to all talents, the egos of all the big talents, bad booking by nash and others to get themselves overs instead, bad people like hall etc.
Eric Bischoff was great in this ep
Of course Jerichos books were meant to put both himself and wwe over . Glad someone finally pointed that out .
1998 Jericho is my favorite Jericho. He was also my most played character in WCW/NWO Revenge.
You could edit ring attires on wCw/nWo Revenge, but couldn't edit moves, right?
I loved Revenge. But who didn't?
I played this game for hours
3:01:30 "No ticky, no laundry!!" 😂😂
Ralphus renegotiating a contract!
Christ Jericho is risen in AEW (had to).
Lmao
He was crucifixion power bombed for our sins...lol
Eric is GREAT on the time of the DX thing. AWESOME
I still have a bunch of WCW action figures still in box. One of the sets all have the same UPC code, which I found odd. I can see the chance that a retailer would have it listed as Hulk Hogan action figure, when the figures are all probably just assorted.
RIGHT ON! FINALLY a podcast with HEAT !!! I think Conrad is WELL AWARE of where the bread is buttered" on this show . And he's better than ever before. Got something here none of his other podcasts have.
Jericho was one of the best parts of Nitro when he was a heel.
3:05:46:
Conrad: Barry Bloom listens to this podcast.
Eric: I don't give a fuck.
Love that!
The genuine disgust when he catches himself sounding like Russo is hilarious.
2:57:45 You can tell Eric's feelings are hurt (totally understandable!) Yet instead of just drilling Chris for being an asshole, he makes an excellent point about how he never tried to be someone he wasn't. He didn't put on an act for anyone so they would think different of him.
Say what you want about Easy E's business practices, but what he said was pretty damn commendable IMO.
Any time Eric says that if the guy he's talking about was sitting right here he would say the same thing you know it's about to be a serious burial.
I am not a fan of the Bret Hart episode, nor the Finger Poke episode frankly. But, I have got to give it to Eric. He, and Conrad are getting a chemistry brewing and Eric is coming across as more of a straight shooter now, compared to the earlier shows. He sounded quite confident when defending himself here and it was awesome how he gave Chris the gears right back. I hope Conrad can find a way every episode to make fun of the WCW backstage environment along the same lines as the tiki/laundry part. I enjoyed Eric verifying the truth as he sees it whenever Connie read from the book. I like the friendly heat here. The more serious tone is a nice contrast to STW. Conrad runs the top 3 wrestling podcasts imo. Yet they are all different and great in their own way. I hope we get a Big Bang episode sometime. And hopefully E&C can keep up the momentum (they will). Excellent episode. All I want for Xmas is a roundtable of Tony, Bruce, Eric, and Conrad.
Goldbergs problem was he never understood the business and he was never a fan. He even said je was basically just a meathead that couldnt play football anymore and had to make a living
Abd he's still riding that wave 20+ years later
Goldberg sucked he was just like the warrior 1 trick pony once he got the belt there was nothing left to do with him
@@jeffzehnpfennig1554 you are not wrong but at least warrior had some kind of character appeal. I remember before i watched wcw i saw a poster or something and just thought "whats up woth the fake stone cold?"
Goldfish was a mark for himself. Being green and a mark = crazy!
i love how Honest Eric. is.. Look that was 21 yrs ago i can't remember what i had for dinner last night.. I hired Jericho and the rest i don't remember.
😁😁
This was my favourite episode of these yet. Like Conrad some of Jericho's heel stuff in WCW are some of my favourite things from that era too. Jericho's heel turn was awesome. Credit to Eric for putting him over like he does considering they didn't always have the best relationship. The Goldberg stuff was really interesting too.
"Christ" Jericho? How did nobody catch that?
Well, he is the self-proclaimed "Iyatollah of Rock and Rollah", so Christ Jericho kinda fits somehow lol. Hilarious typo though.....
I did, but before I commented I scrolled down to see if anyone else did....I mean Jericho was pretty awesome, but not that damn awesome
They have typos all the time. Someone is drunk at the helm.
The Demo Son of God!
As much as Bischoff says "Chris is for Chris", but "Eric is for Eric".
Yup Eric would have said he went into business for himself . Thank God he did though
Would WCW still be here today if AOL Time Warner hadn’t of sold it or kept it going passed 2001 🤔?
Yes
Probably not. The people who didn't want it there were in the company before AOL came along, it just took getting Ted out the door which would have happened at some point regardless. Then again, that's just a guess
Nope
It's a historically bad company only two years profitable out of 12 by the 2000 they were already losing close to 60million alone. Overpriced contract and creative control.
Wcw had top names in 96-97but they were old and went soft on story’s wwe were totally different so no
Conrad makes Eric's point regarding Jericho being loyal when his contract wasn't signed and still not bolting to russo...if he felt shortchanged he may not have felt that little bit of loyalty
Eric's explanation for giving Jericho more money than he asked is 100% legit and anyone who's listened to wrestlers talk about money knows that Jericho would have eventually found out and been pissed. It's a joke how him doing that is somehow a negative to some people. Plus it was a measly 30 grand.
It is kind of amazing that Jericho shows up on Raw with one of the greatest stars ever on his first day and becomes an all time great over the years
59:03 Spat my drink out ... Bischoff really got me 🤣
Chris has said everytime I heard him tell that story he was going to get squashed by Bill at the next pay per view
No body is better at putting Chris Jericho over, than Chris Jericho
On the topic of "cool heel", Eric in his own book talked down about Triple H and how he's basically a cool heel that doesn't really get over babyfaces with the cool entrance, the cool music, etc.
Noticed Bischoff say here no one else wanted to run WCW when he took over and on later episodes he says he had heat from several people that he stepped over to get the position. Tony Shiavone being one
Eric just doesn’t want to admit that at that time he didn’t see enough on Jericho, to give him a push.
And the reason he doesn’t admit it, it’s because afterwards Vince Russo made Jericho a star in the WWF!
Did someone from the 83 Weeks TH-cam channel come back to this video just to make a hilarious typo on the title?
I was at the Norfolk Scope attending Nitro and DX was there. While some of it may have been pre-taped, they were there when we were in line waiting to get in. Best guess would have been around 6:30.
I wouldn't necessarily "take Bischoff to task" for relying on the older guys. I would criticise him for dropping the ball on some of the greatest talents in the business at that time. There's always more to the story that fans weren't around to know. So some of the wrestlers who fans felt deserved a top spot might have shot themselves in the foot in other ways. It happened enough times though that it would be impossible to say he never dropped the ball on anyone.
For what it's worth every promoter has their flaws. The phrase "dropped the ball" has been mentioned towards Vince McMahon hundreeds of times.
Best 1 so far
Listening to Bischoff say "bro" is just gold. Eric "Russo" Bischoff.
Now THIS is an episode where I really wish they could've had Jericho on the horn to confirm or deny and to add to the conversation - the man's own perspective. I feel the episode could've benefited tremendously from that.
Chris Jericho actually benefitted from this. He went on to his podcast to rebuttal some of the stuff here or just talk about his side of the story.
Why didn't they have Bischoff chime in on Jericho's book? Lol. Weird.
I love the ending with EB promo voice. If you close your eyes you can picture him in the ring with the mic.
The original ECW aired on 'SportsChannel' every Tuesday in the early evening, either at 5 PM EST or 6 PM EST. The channel would replay Tuesday's episode a few days later on Thursdays at either 10 PM EST or 11 PM EST.
Getting dressed down by the Red Rooster.I would said”Hey Orndorff,this sequenced jacket up in New York”
Jericho's 1004 holds segment was brilliant!
He threw armbar in there a lot LOL
Pretty disappointed that Chris decided to bury Eric for no reason other than to sell his book
Hogan was busy in WCW, Seems to be involved and often beside Eric in half thev meetings that has absolutely nothing to do with him.
Its gotta work for him, brother.
“The man of 1,004 holds”
“Since I took care of Mr. Jannetty so quickly, I came prepared. Malenko, you claim to be the ‘Man of 1000 Holds’ but I counted, and you know about 60. But I know 1004 and I wrote them all down.” -Chris Jericho
One of the greatest promos of all time! So funny
Best angle ever! 😂😂😂😂😂
@@Hotlog69 Arm bar.
@@AP-to4ni It really was and for such a low card too.
Did we ever get that conversation where they break down Hogan's contract? I don't remember hearing it.
I didn't realize Jericho hated his time in WCW so much!
But I thought he did good. He made developed his character for the rest of his career
If he never did cruiserweight vs Benoit in 94 in Japan, if he never did it in WCW, to McMahon he'd be just a guy too small to be of any use. You know it. It was a chance to steal a WCW guy that gave him any chance there.
@@danielrierson6683 Watch him vs Benoit in 94 in Japan. You can just tell, it's all there, the F bombs, the heel persona. It's like Steve Austin, he's that same guy on the mic as he'd be in a bar drunk. IMO anyhow. That's why they came off natural, it was their persona LOL.
Imagine being Conrad and having a job that revolves around asking people how much they make and not think people discuss pay. I'm sure people only tell mortgage brokers what their income is though.
I totally agree with Eric's honesty with offering more than what he asked for.
Foley doesn't actually call him atm Eric. He was making about standard for his position. Listened to Cornette enough to have an idea on what wrestlers were making.
Why has there not been 1 jericho episode of something to wrestle with....So far. Bruce must have some good jericho stories.
I agree with Eric the way Chris won’t that belt helped his character be made it seem like it was the best thing in pro wrestling and it was funny and made people like him
Man the more I learn about Goldberg....................................well the shine has definitely worn off. Talk about getting "high on your own supply of hype."
Come On Baby!!!
You know I gotcha......
Love this podcast, cant wait for them to talk about Dusty next week :)
I hope you guys can do an episode on the Great Muta
It's 100% right that cool heels make babyfaces look terrible.
Souled Out 97 is very underrated. That PPV had a great look. I loved the nWo ring and the gritty look with the names in lights. Had an Escape From New York feel.
Noel ComiX This is a joke right. Souled Out is December to Dismember awful
Nate Puterbaugh no joke 1000% serious.
Nate Puterbaugh I really miss that nWo ring. It was uses in WCW vs nWo world tour
@@nateputerbaugh5709 IN all fairness he's just talking about the look of the PPV. And it did look fucking cool. Just because the in ring action was trash and the dumb Miss NWO contest was on it doesn't change the look.
Souled out 97 sure it looked good but the show itself sucked
The top complaint I have with all these post-mortems on WCW is the same old lazy excuse that Hulk Hogan ruined everything. That's bullshit. Everyone complies in their own fate. Jon Moxley said this himself in Chris Jericho's own podcast (and Jericho even agreed with him!) when he said:
"I didn't want to be another one of those guys telling all the new kids that get called up, 'I could'a been somebody. I was supposed to be champ but Hogan screwed me'. I hate those guys. .... At the end of the day, this business is a shoot and every guy in that locker room knows it. If Hogan screwed you back in the day, the only thing that tells me is he wanted it more than you, and you let him because you probably spent too much time at the bar or strip club at the end of the night."
Well that’s why Jericho left. He went to a situation where Hogan (and the rest of the giants in the main event scene) couldn’t keep him down. With that said, Jericho wasn’t going to be world champion anywhere before the year 2000/2001 at the earliest.
While I think they could've had at least a ppv title match, there's no fucking way Jericho should have beaten Goldberg in 98. I'm glad they did not do that. And I am a big fan of Jericho's 98 work. I think the goldberg storyline was a great detour in his story. But anything other than goldberg destroying him in 5 minutes would have been ridiculous.
I remember how much I hated Jericho back in WCW. But then he would just start referring to Rey Mysterio as Ron Mysterio or Tony Schiavone as Tony Skee-uh-vone, and I couldn’t help but laugh my ass off at the time.
Skee-uh-vone and Paa-je were the best ones!
@Millennial Smark I don't know. I thought most of his WWF lines were just bleh. Although his, "you just made the list" stuff a few years ago was pretty funny. If we're gonna talk about Michael Cole, we should talk about all the shit the Rock said about him. Lol
Stinko Malenko
lol Jericho was never funny
"Jojo Dillon"
"Mabel was the third man." 😂😂😂
Eric always sounds like he's up in court.
The ego on Eric Bischoff knows no bounds.
He is still playing a character. Workers never stop working.
Stfu