Milwaukee M18 Surge: The best slow speed impact driver ever!
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- The hydraulic impact actuation of the Milwaukee M18 Surge is amazing. I use it all the time for small, gentle jobs even though it could probably yank off lug nuts. The ability of the Surge to provide a nearly imperceptible impact action on fasteners makes the Surge the perfect power tool for fragile jobs.
I have seen a lot of impact driver demos on the tubes, but with out a doubt, that was the best. It was like watching in slow motion the hammer action. Great video Doc !
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Thanks Dragon. Like a lot of things (flashlights, speakers, saws, etc.) it is easy to focus on the loudest or brightest aspects over the more subtile and precise control the tool is capable of. I use my Surge for 90% slow intricate tasks. But one often needs to be shown where the strengths are given that the box doesn't not highlight all the features that are near zero as in impacts and revolutions per minute.
sound reduction is an understatement. when I started using mine, I didnt realise it was impacting till the fastener was already sunk in. my new go to.
I recently did some drywall with the Surge and was amazed at how easy it was to precisely set the drywall screws.
Best comparison explanation I’ve seen so far - surge has the smoothness of a drill & electric screwdriver to start, then quieter than a hex driver when it impacts. Best of both worlds. I decided to skip the hex entirely and just get the surge.
Great explanation instead of keying in on the volume difference that most reviews tend to hone in on. Sinking a fastener through sheet metal to wood or metal to metal is a pain in the behind. I can see this being very helpful.
I just picked up the M12 Surge. I’ll be using it on my first project today, assembling a new kitchen cabinet. It’s a nice tool. Definitely ideal for most of the work I do with an impact.
The M12 Surge is a go-to for a lot of HVAC techs. This surge technology really shines in sheet metal or plastic mini split plastics were you don't want to over drive and strip threads out. I almost never take my M12 off setting 1 and 2. Self tap mode is also great. Only twice have I ran into something past its limits; large lag screws with no pilot hole and 3/4" rusted bolts on a rooftop condenser stand. For space sake I use either the CP3.0 or HO2.5. I keep my XC6.0/HO5.0 in my Rover light but that kinda serves as an emergency battery if i forget to charge the impact battery. Anyway, great tool for certain trades and situations.
Have the fuel impact and the surge, the surge is almost always my go to. Love that thing, great video.
Just got the surge, I'm excited to use it. As a novice, the control is exactly what I need. Controlled power and I'm really excited to see how you were able to precisely use it. Thank you for all the info and great video
You have to get the m12 surge! I used to carry both the m12 fuel standard impact and the m12 brushed screw driver. The impact was for most jobs but i always found myself when doing door knobs or electrical work i would have the screwdriver to be more delicate. But then I had to do a job at a massage parlor where noise would be an issue ,so I figured It was the perfect excuse to buy a new drill ,so I got the 12 surge. It has become my goto for everything. Even had to get my dad one. I cannot believe more people don’t discuss how smooth it is ,they only seem to talk about the noise level. I can count the number of screws I have stripped on one hand since I’ve got it
On my list! I doubt October will pass without getting one. Problem is no nearby stores carry it as a bare tool and I'd prefer to buy locally.
Job at a massage parlor. Sureeeee. I’m watching you buddy. Both eyes.
Love my surge, my m18 had some weird issue where it would fall asleep during jobs if I didn't use it for a few minutes. I brought it back to Home Depot and traded it for an m12 surge and its doing great.
For someone who likes his screws to be perfect flush mount, this tool looks amazing!
Great review! Better than great. I finally see the value in owning a Surge. Thanks, Doc!
I think folks get so caught up on specs that it's easy to overlook the potential of one of these. I recently picked up an M12 Surge to try it out and WOW!! This demo of yours shows exactly what I've found hard to describe about it. It's more than just quiet. The amount of control it affords for screws, bolts, whatever is just crazy. I work on flight simulators, the big ones and the little ones. There are many, many machine screws of varying qualities. I took my personal Surge into work, and we now have 2 in the shop. As well as 2 coworkers bought one. It has that factor to it of 'getting it' I think. And once you "get it" I don't think anyone could deny how useful, and simply amazing of a tool it really is. So much more than just another impact driver. Thanks!
Thanks for watching. I really need to get the m12 Surge. I hear great things and a small Surge might be even better.
I understand what you mean by the control of a less powerful tool. I bought a 12V Bosch impact about 12 years ago. One of their first models. It's slow, and it's great for the applications mentioned in the video. There are times when my Makita impact is too powerful. That's where the older Bosch comes in, too.
Finally a video that shows the surge’s true potential compared to the others that are just about how well driving on highest setting and comparing noises.
That’s one thing I noticed with the regular M12 impact, there was barely any drive control on the slowest setting that I tend to lean more towards the m12 drill. This video just made me want it even more now. Hopefully it will go on sale this coming holiday!
I've found as a DIYer that while I do have the rare project where I need to drive hundreds of screws, mostly it is the precise placement of one or a few screws or nuts. The Surge can do it all and while the traditional impacts have some better specs, the Surge just does everything well including those skills that the somewhat crude mechanism of the metal on metal impacts can only dream of.
As a carpenter, i was sceptical of the numbers. I've used it to build many decks, installed 8 in lags in without issue. Great for cabinetry and everything inbetween. Surprisingly good. Just has that tti trigger issue where sometimes it doesn't do anything the first couple pulls
My drill driver does that when u push the button for forward n reverse it will start working again
Nice review. Surge not only reduce noise but also has the slow motion.
best comparison of slow speed. Everybody is showing the max torque but noone showed the slow speed. Thanks for excellent video. Would also appreciate if you could compare the m18 surge to the m12 surge as I I have heard that the m12 surge slowest speed is higher than then m18.
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Thank you for the video. I use to have Ryobi screw driver but it lacked power. I got myself a Makita but it's a beast and hard to control on low speeds. It seems that Surge will be perfect for delicate work.
I started construction last year around July, my first impact was the surge. I loved it,but I gave it too much heat since I did a lot of TPO roofing, sooo much drilling and the surge wasn't for that. The fuel m18 was the perfect choice. I now have the Gen 4 impact and hammer drill and my god the torgue is insane.
Do you still do tpo roofing? If so which do you prefer to this day?
@@Abethedemon The fuel M18 gen 4.
ive been using the surge for maybe 5 years ? and its amazing , by far the best drill ive evere used
I keep both standard and surge in my bag, anything indoors I'm reaching for the surge, outdoor heavier lifting I leave to the standard, but I have tested it early on with huge 10" lags that were buried in a milled log home window frames to prevent settling, it cranked them out just as well as the standard gen3 impact just a little less violently and at half the sound and vibration, it's a great option to have in your quiver.
@TheOMEGANOX thanks for your comment. Really helped me decide it was worth adding one to my collection.
Unless your driving things like lag bolts, this will be quite nice. For the work I do, I'm never driving anything bigger than like a 3in deck screw, works great for that. Sometimes I'll have to remove larger fasteners (removing old equipment) and so far it's done that effortlessly too.
It's literally the perfect tool for electrical work yes including its 12 voltage counter part
Love my surge m18 and m12. Only problem I had with the m18 was the hex holder broke but Milwaukee fixed it under warranty
I have a surge and I love it for doing windows and doors, but I just switched fields to garage doors and I can’t say I would recommend it for that. Still a great impact, just not for dealing with steel
Makita 18v tools have had variable speed triggers since I bought my first one back in 2007, probably longer than that. Milwaukee finally figured it out and it’s “amazing”
exactly, Milwaukee fan girls keep bashing makita , but in denial when Milwaukee copies everything makita does. that includes the two battery systems
I don't understand, doesn't the non-surge normal impact have speed control using the trigger ?
I've bought a Stanley set of tools (same as Craftsman as far as I know) and they work like a charm. Speed control on the trigger, insane amounts of torque (higher than the competition for the price), really good ergonomics, etc.
The ONLY downside, is that the range isn't as large as Milwaukee or DeWalt but still, big enough.
They should put the triple lights on the surge
I didn't know my surge had other features then just being more quiet...I always noticed a difference with the regular impacts i use at work and my own personal Surge and now I know why! LOL
Great. I just ordered the M12 Surge. I hear great things about it but in a smaller lighter package. We'll see....
Would like to see the 12 and 18 together!
bought a used one for $40 at the flea market the other day best impact ive ever owned
The more I use the Surge (both M18 and M12) the more I wonder why they even bother to make the other drivers.
The standard Milwaukee impacts are garbage. All they do well is drive lags. They take much too long to begin hammering and have too much rpm even on lower settings. The Makita is vastly superior, however the M12 surge I just picked up is wonderful for what I do daily (commercial electrician) thanks for the review! Might have to add a M18 surge for home use.
I'm not a Milwaukee hater by any means, I use their power tools exclusively but the impacts leave much to be desired. Surge is where it's at 👍
I am very disappointed with mine. Brand new the speed control button is not changing speed and when I pull the trigger nothing happens . Then it starts working and throws a bunch of sparks. This thing is brushless, why would it throw sparks. I thought maybe I was doing something wrong but it's just crap right out of the box. I love my Milwaukee tools . I'm very upset
Yes it is great.
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Just purchased one just for driving sheet metal screws building horse shades in AZ. figured it would be perfect since it has a setting for just that. it works ok but compared to my old milwakee drilll its not worth it. It continually stops when im driving thru multiple sheets and seems to overthink at times shutting it down before i get a hole tapped. not hating on it because i will keep using it. but for all the hype its a dud. glad it works for you. good vid
It works f.r me on the slow precise jobs. Last time I was punching screws through metal roofing I used with reckless abandon both a corded dewalt and my m18 milwaukee hammer drill. Yes, I did strip a few screws, but out of the hundreds of screws over many sheets of roofing, I was more worried about falling or getting struck by lightening then stripping a gasket screw. Plus I threw a metal cutting blade on my old Craftsman corded circular saw and blasting through thin steel sheets faster than was safe.
@@lastbesttool Yeah I think it has a place with how you describe it.
Yeah I used ear protection and my m18 drill for the roofing. Or the regular impact.
I feel like I can run them in pretty slow with the regular impacts
You’re saying that this is the impact driver for fasteners that would be better served by something less crude than an impact driver? Something with a clutch, or a finishing driver might be better? Any 8 or 12v screwdriver is a better choice for small fasteners.
I'm sold thanks.
I think the surge is good but my job I have to finish fast and keep going with the serge it was ca nice working but very slow and a bit weak in my opinion
Yeah same for me why I didn’t get the surge it seemed like less of an all around driver for sinking fasteners. I can see the benefits but I think I wouldn’t use it as often.
Will it work in removing screw? Screws that are very stubborn to remove. Seems like that slow speed with impact would work isn’t it?
I know the settings are 1,2 and 3, for different torque speeds but what is the last 'screw' icon setting? Is it JUST for screwing w/o the impacting?
I know this is 5 months later but to answer your question. The last setting is for self tapping screws it stops the driver immediately when they get tight so you don’t strip out the metal. It’s fantastic for hvac and other sheet metal applications.
I just bought the M18 surge. When I shake it in my hand there is a knocking sound. It’s the hex drive chuck moving back and forth, there’s about 1/16” of play. Any idea if this normal?
Does the M18 Surge use one ball bearing in its collet or two? Thanks.
makita oil impulse is better, but fan girls will never admit it. Milwaukee is a better value though with all the sales and promotions they are offering
I've burnt 2 of these in a week is there a hack or do they just suck?
Thats why I returned my Milwauke impact their handle is too thick for me and the trigger is not sensitive. My Dewalt 887 the trigger is very sensitive like the Surge.
I find it doesn’t knock lose from the screw head on a hard drive because the impacts are softer, it’s so much quieter and smoother, I’ve been building a bar lately with it, I think I love it, I’ve loaned it to my partner and now he’s got to have one.
My brushless 18v milwaukee impact is horrible for knocking itself off of screws im trying to drive. It causes me to put holes in whatever im working on. I thought it was my tips being junk until i used my fuel impact and my surge and it never happened again. Lol 😆 glad i wasnt the only one who notived this
Can you tell me. Which model is better for buy.
They need a stack battery
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Bought it for pre engineered steel, thinking it was just the newer model of their impact.. guess we will see how she holds up
How did it do
Collet - pronounced KAH - LIT
The amount of chuck slop in all dewalts impact drivers is freaking unacceptable
Now I wish I had bought Milwaukee instead of Dewalt. :(
Ive heard the Milwaukee and the Mikita are the best. But since I'm deep in the M12 and M18 system, I don't stray far. But I did own one of the first Mikita cordless drills back in the 1980s.
DCF601, for precision. It’s lighter than just about anything on the market, and has a good clutch for the kind of work in this video. One handed bit change, triple LEDs, great ergonomics for finish work. Excellent low speed trigger control.
instead of calling it Surge, they should call it Milwaukee M18 Screwdriver.
Yeah if you are doing alot of metal decking screwing, you are gonna have a bad time if you buy the surge, I have no use whatsoever its too slow.
I will be swaping it for a normal impact.
Also the surge acts like a normal drill not an imoact
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It must take you months to build anything lol
That a really bad title and a real disservice to a tool on the cutting edge.....The surge is slower then the Milwaukee impact driver...The disservice is the fact that the non surge impact for Milwaukee smokes 99% of all the other impact drivers on the market with the exception of Festool....The surge is just as fast as the other impacts on the market with the big difference of its noise compared to every single impact on the market a joke noise wise....it is in fact far less noisie that it is more pleasant soundwise then most regular drills beyond impacts,
Idk bro the surge kinda sucks for big jobs. Its for little jobs like drywall and might woodworking. I tried to use my brand new one to drive a bolt with a socket on day 1 (speed 3) and it COMPLETELY FAILED. Then my m12 impact destroyed those bolts/nuts. Ima keep it tho for certain jobs and get the gen 4 m18 non surge for big boy jobs