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- Spain could become the first European country to cover sick leave for workers experiencing period pain. The draft law, which still has to pass through Parliament, has sparked a debate.
The legislation is part of a broader reproductive health reform that is set to also include changes to Spain's abortion laws.
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#Spain #MenstrualLeaveBill
And why don't you talk about the law they passed that removes the presumptions of innocence for men?
So this is equality right woman getting more paid leave why not give everyone 3 days payed leave per month.
Because men doesn't suffer from menstruacion pain mate.
Yep government sanctioned theft
You're absolutely correct, it is promoting equality. This law really applies to those who have severe conditions such as pcos, fibroids and Endometriosis (as the video clearly states you'd need a doctor's note to benefit from this law) that cause disabling pain and other associated symptoms that impair daily function. Therefore, these conditions can indeed be considered a disability under the equality act 2010.
@@hollybickell7331 This is not equality!
Why should these folks get one week paid leave when other workers won't!?
@@alvaro701 But the same feminism claim men and women are exactly equal!
Can someone tell me, with this law and the high level of unemployment why would someone employ a woman?
Just imagine you have a small company with 5 people and 3 are women!
Not many women have menstruation bad enough that they miss work. It happens but it’s rare.
Esta dios mio time then :D
@@magesalmanac6424 - So what happens with the women who will inevitably try to abuse the system to get extra days off every month by making false claims.
@@TheGQBrotha as the video states, you need a doctor's note or letter from a medical professional proving that your menstrual pain is indeed disabling. Many people have conditions such as pcos, fibroids and Endometriosis that cause severe and debilitating pain resulting in loss of daily function. This is ultimately for those who suffer from such conditions that could be considered as a disability under the equality act 2010. Therefore it cannot really be abused, since you'd have to qualify in the first place as having a condition that causes such extreme pain. I hope this makes sense.
@@TheGQBrotha People abuse the system all the time, men included. Without diving into it, I would guess men are more likely to exploit paid leave. Doesn't mean you get rid of the system. It's needed. People need security when they're injured or sick.
as a business owner, would you fully pay to somebody that will work just for three weeks every month?
The leave is reimbursed by the government, companies don't have to pay a dime out of their own pockets.
@@simplify2751 and who is paying the government money may I ask?
Yes you would, since you cannot discriminate those who have disabilities. This law applies to those who suffer debilitating menstrual pain caused by conditions such as pcos, fibroids and Endometriosis. You actually need a doctor's note in order to be entitled to make use of this law, as the video states.
@@ageorgiev89 I think you know the answer, so I'm not too sure why you're asking me, but I'll make it clear for you anyway 😊 unless you have another candidate who is more experienced or highly skilled than the candidate who menstruates, then you would be at risk of discrimination if you didn't employ the person who menstruates - especially if they have a genuine medical condition causing severe menstrual pain therefore inability to work on certain days, just like any other medical condition causing flare ups. Hope that makes sense
Women that work together eventually get on the same "schedule". How would that work for a small business?
Great, I can already see newspaper headlines: Women less desirable as workers in Spain! Men to blame!
nah, don't worry, to counter this, the next bill is going to be women quotas in every buisnesses
Hahaha so many men overreacting in these comments. 😏 maybe you guys are too emotional to work?
@@magesalmanac6424 yeah, too emotional, can we get a fancy paid leave for that?
Lol
@@magesalmanac6424 I'm a man and I find these comments extremely amusing. So much complaining, I think these guys need some menstrual leave. So much hyperbole and victimhood it's hilarious.....or depressing.
maybe im just dumb but why cant this issue be resolved by more sick days mandated in general?
good question.
more sick days mandated? you must be from the USA. sick days are basicly unlimeted in europ. this new law allows women to take sick days for menstrual pain.
@@marcelkuhne8856 then why would you need a sick day specifically for menstrual pain.
@@InFamou5Killer to get a sick day you need a medical certificate from a physician
that you are sick. now menstrual pain is in spain covert by law.
While as a man I support menstrual leave so that women don't have to work in pain, I wonder how this will affect the job market in the future as employers will most likely see female employees as a risk to hire compared to men.
True...
@kızgın tosbağayes somewhat due to pregnancies, but if you are missing 3-10 days every single month thats a huge problem that employers will take in to account when hiring.
Good idea !
After all, Kenyan men in marriages with several women are also exempt from their obligation to inseminate at the weekend with at least one day off work ;) :)
@@Number__00 You are absolutely right ☑️💯‼️
I'm a business owner, pass the bill and I will be employing a LOT less women.
Your call.
You will propably then get sued for discrimination. Women will win either way.
@@kohtalainenalias I believe an awful lot of women think this a regressive idea.
A good number of basically unemployable wimmin think differently.
i'm sure every employer is going to hire more women now....
nope
Imagine, 4 restaurants staff and all female
And 2 of them happen to have menstrual at same time, 2 of them will be on leave, so this resulted companies potentially crippled
Doctors can be paid to give them Leave certificates
I can always tell my doctor” im in severe pain”
How would the doctors know the severity? No way
Got it. They better hire menopausal women.😅
So basically demand for men will become higher and so will their pay. Very smart Spain
This won't have any effect on hiring practices. You're freaking out over nothing.
@@tripe2237 true, just as allowing the entry of trans in women sports. Only good things will come out of it. EqUAlitY.
Smh. And then they complain about a gender wage gap?
I’m a woman but don’t feel fair for men and employers
I’m a man and I don’t care. For fairness reasons, make military draft equal for men and women!
As a man, we don’t care. It’s a win/win situation
Employers will just have to employ men and not employ women, because a man would not be taking monthly breaks from work.
I used to watch the smokers get extra breaks while we worked on. Whatever time off women get men should also get the same goes for time on.
Maybe you don’t have very painful period? I first day of it just dying and still not able normally work.
Not the wisest decision. Someones gonna pay for this from some other sector. Three days off with paid leave every month for a year for nearly half the workforce. That's a loss of productivity. How will the government account for it.
I'm not against the idea of some sort of medical relaxation policy for women, but this is absurd. What's next? School only 18 days a month for girls who reached puberty?
I honestly think it will not be so bad, though, because I think a degree of pain warranting a paid leave from your job does not affect 30% of women, as was said in the video. I have only ever known two individuals, who suffered from such severe pain, and this might have been more like 2% of all women I've known. I think 30% is a gross overestimate.
On top of this, you will only have significant productivity loss in sectors where the workforce is treated badly, is overworked and/or unmotivated. In the field of academia, for example, people tend to work much more than they are paid for and are highly competitive and motivated. Because of the huge flexibility they have in that sector, they will be able to relax when they really cannot work and then make up for it on a Sunday. This is common practice already.
Kids at the orphanage will be skipping breakfast to pay for some ones period pain. lol...I shitz you not!
@@IceQueenaliasIQ just like how the transgender trend became a thing so will this "server menstrual pain for all women"just watch and see🤌
This now proves Gender equality and equal pay crusaders wrong
WHY ?????
Image you're an employer: would you choose a guy who's available 30 days a month or a woman who might take a paid week off every months if we so wishes? That's like 25% of her productivity down the drain. This way you're only gonna get more discrimination against women.
Equivalent Menstrual leave for men too then... all equal...
I'm an employer and I would definitely hire a woman, when she takes menstrual leave the government will pay for it. Sounds like a good deal to me.
@@GTChris And who's going to work that day? Someone else is. You will need to hire more staff overall which with government compensation is neutral at first but you need more space/clothes/equipment as well. Different and more strict labour laws might apply if your business exceeds a certain amount of employees. There's a lot of Potential disadvantages which make the law controversial
Clearly flow is not an employer. If so it's very few employees. No one running a business looking for a certain amount of production would even consider such a thing. You're going to lose out on that production and have to have another employee to cover for an employee you're still paying. Where is the common sense in that? You will be forced to raise your prices and be less competitive in the market or hire a man.
@@GTChris you’re not a smart business man then, and no! YOU’LL still be paying for it. Ever heard of taxes? You really think that stuff was free?
So this essentially amounts to what is a special right for women, no longer about equal rights. They could be doing the same job as a man but get paid the same for working less each month after month. Meanwhile men will have to pick up the slack for the missing female employees.
Oh, don't worry, man will also have menstrual leave.
Would you rather have a uterus that cause you pain and inconvenience? Yeah I thought not.
@@magesalmanac6424 - So women aren’t equal, they’re special, right? I thought women can do everything men do equally, shouldn’t they therefore also be able to work the same number of hours monthly as men do.
@@TheGQBrotha Yeah! We should also cut the maternity leaves. Women should give birth the same way men gives birth, right?
Also prosthetic cancer should stop been reason for absence. Women is fine without it, so why should men have special treatment, right?
@@magesalmanac6424 Ok, I'd take 3 days of pain over having to squize out 7 sand grain sized, hardened yuk from anywhere (private area and inside surface of nose and ears included) from my body twice a day. That goes without mentioning wounds left by doing it.
Great idea and good for you, but also don’t ask EU for money if you run out.
This is really gonna help with that 25% unemployment in Spain
Spain’s unemployment rate in Jan of 2022 stood at 13.6%. The last time spanish unemployment hit 25% was in 2012.
so a week off every month?
Pretty much, if you have a nice doctor
Yeah and paid
Isn't that sort of an admission that women aren't fit for the workplace?
This is absurd. The law would be taken advantage of by many. I understand that there are some women who suffer severe pain, but this does not mean they should get paid for taking menstral leave.
yeah, the market will also react to that, employers will pay women less to make up for the loss etc. this will cause many issues.
Are you taking into account the fact that the stigma around a very normal bodily function would cause many more women to never even consider taking this leave? Even if they suffer from debilitating pain every month? Also, don't worry. I'm sure companies will try their best to let women know *subtly* that if they want to keep their job, they should just grin and bear the extreme discomfort and pain they're in.
You're wrong. It literally says in the video that you'd need a doctor's note in order to be entitled to benefit from this law. You'd need to prove that you suffer debilitating pain and disabling other associated symptoms. Examples are PCOS, fibroids, Endometriosis
Anyone can take advantage of sick or injury leave assuming they can get a doctor to sign on. Paid leave is 60% of wages. It would only affect a very small percentage of the workforce, and even some of those will probably work through it. Your comment is absurd.
Yes it does, until men invest in real treatments
I can't see how this will not be massively abused
Men paying for this twice by having to pick up slack and paying taxes to the govt to subsidize this 🙄
Well, yeah. Women are paying too.
@@timothymattnew combined lower rates .. they literally pay less in taxes over a working life span than men and men are taxed at a higher rate across the entire globe .. stop lying
@@timothymattnew if they aren't working and taking days off how are they paying taxes on income they aren't earning .. explain that one
Taxpayers pay for all of it. So no, employers nor the government will pay for it. If I drop a hammer on my foot do I get to take indefinite leave? So we want women to get equal opportunity UNLESS, paid time off each month is available.
Yes, you get injury leave and compensation if you drop a hammer on your foot. Menstrual pain doesn't affect the entire workforce. According to one study, menstrual pain was reported by 84.1% of women, with 43.1% reporting that pain occurred during every period, and 41% reporting that pain occurred during some periods. According to a women's health site, 5 to 10% of women experience pain severe enough to disrupts their life. I'd imagine it would be a small percentage of women who would take 1 or 2 days off per month, with a slightly higher percentage only when needed.
Spain already has 30 days of paid leave per year for everyone. 15 days for marriage, 2 days for family death, maternity and paternity leave of 16 weeks and some of it can be divided or reduced hours, 1 day for moving residence, longer if required by employer, and a load of other paid leave. Sick leave is paid by the employer at 60% of wages and reimbursed by social security.
Do you imagine women don’t pay taxes?
Don't worry, if you leave together with your girlfriend/wife then as a man you can also take off leave during the days. More stress is also bad for men. Bad enough to take sick leave ;-)
Why not get leave regardless of the reason if you are in so much pain that you can't really work? Shouldn't that already be the case? If yes, isn't this just a PR stunt?
As I understand, that is already the case that you can ask to leave if you have a proper reason but actually had to be a proper medical problem and menstruation wasn't in that category of reasons. Even if you had an immensely painful menstruation, that was not a proper reason so now this law change allows women to leave if it's really that unbearable.
@@chinguunerdenebadrakh7022 so if I suffer from pain, the pain source has to be on a list to be approved? Who invented that bs?
the thing is menstruation is every month and most other conditions are eventualities. so menstruation should be put in place next to those that need dialysis
@@HL65536 our health system? You can’t just make up random things regarding your pains and claim you need leave. That’s why we have doctors that diagnose you n such so they can prove that you need a paid leave
@@missingno6216 I did not say you should be able to make up pain if you feel like you should get paid without working. My point was about the source of the pain, which I think doctors can verify better than politicians as existing and really leading to lots of pain or made up. And what if you have some new disease that the politicians did not have time to "approve" yet? No leave? That's bs!
so... they are going to contract less and less women because of this brilliant initiative
Men should be allowed time off aswell equal rights men need to come together this ain’t fair
As a woman, this is pure bs. This can lead to women getting employed LESS. If I would be a boss in Spain now, I would rather hire a man for a positions than a woman, cause why burden myself with paid leave days for ladies? Do these screeching feminists ever realize, that their bs is hurting women and society as whole?
so women getting paid for doing nothing .......whats new
ROFL 🤣 🤣 🤣
We're living in 1984 already. Ignorance is strenght. It's in the list of possible sick leaves since 2017 at least.
What? Orwell wrote "1984" that was inspired by his time fighting for the Second Republic who were heavily into women's rights. They were very progressive in their reforms.
Well as a business owner. I’d just hire men.
Suoer
it is the mkst simpler thing but yet feminist tryin to argue that men are sexist for not hiring them. but the truth is as a employee women is inefficient if compared to a men.
@@muhammadfayyad2320 there are hiring practices and unless you’d want hefty lawsuits you can’t really discriminate towards one gender, especially for a biological perspective. I know money is something important to talk but humans aren’t robots lol
@@missingno6216 the thing is still you cant blame men for company not hiring enough women. A company motivated from monetary gain. Having a female worker that can do what men can do in term of works quality is still causing monetary loss to them. Women take more leave , have pregnancy leave and most likely to take care of their family needs rather than the company needs making them less efficient.
And you are saying human arent robot ofc that human arent a robot and shouldnt be treated like one but we are talking about huge company that care about money here. They are selfish and willing to cut every single penny to save money.
@@missingno6216 so basically what im sayin is its not sexism its corporate greedness tryin to achieve maximum gain trough maximum effeciency
There will be those women who will try to simply take advantage of it So even if meant for legitimate cases, expect there will be fraudsters who try and utilize it as well, it’s inevitable.
Requires a doctor. And, newsflash, ANYONE can take advantage of sick or injury leave.
A fair and equal world where everyone except men are represented.
I'm sure men can get leave for period pain too
I'd settle for longer paternity leave.
Do men want to bleed every month and to feel abnormal pain every month?
I suppose we could make it fair by selecting at random a group of men to torture for two or three days every month…
@@anaanska7188no but we have mental stress , we should be allow paid leave for carrying the whole company
I got penor injury when i jak off. Where is my paid leave?
So this can be easily abused and you can't tell a woman she isn't in pain.
I thought women were 6 times physically stronger than men and also can take 6x more the pain and supposedly they are way more smarter than men? If women are this strong and tough and smart why wood they need to be paid for having a period? Shouldn’t women be strong enough not to let it hold them back?
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So let me guess this straight, you need a doctor's note and people dont see this as a problem???
I know people who have faked back pain, got a doctor's note and claimed thousands upon thousands off their insurance companies 🤷🏾♂️
But dont complain when men are earning more money than women or get promoted more.
So you just made women a greater liability to business, and then you will cry about the wage gap.
So, you're just jealous of them! 😂😂😂😂
Hahaha 😂 I just won't hire women! Imagine as an architect (which I am) and my employee takes 5 days, which is actually 9, off? Paid as well?
Or imagine a teacher, a nurse, etc?
I thought women were the stronger gender?
Then you could get sued for discrimination 😊 as the video states, you'd need a doctor's note or letter from a medical professional in order to qualify for this as this law only really applies to those who suffer such extreme menstrual pain such as from pcos, fibroids or Endometriosis which can cause severe and disabling symptoms and can iindeed be classified as a disability under the equality act 2010.
A few days off a month isn't a lot and what if it's falls on a weekend or day off anyway? Don't discriminate!
@@SecondTake123 are you serious?
The period in the menstrual cycle lasts 3-7 days, let's say its starts on a Friday, lasts 5 days and the woman is honest, this means she will be off work until the next Wednesday or Thursday, paid, that's if she's honest. Now if you run a construction company or car mechanics, where the vast majority of workers are men and the secretary which is probably the only female takes a week of every month (that's 3 months a year) it may not be that bad. But if you run an architects firm like me, or supermarket, gym, school, etc where 50%+ of the workers are female, this adds up.
And OK supermarkets and gyms can do without their employees, but my practice (as with others) works by strict deadlines, so it's not helpful that 2 of 8 employees on a project are claiming leave, paid as well, because of something natural.
So how about I save myself the future trouble and just not hire women? This is the reason why men didn't want women to work, I'm sure women have been complaining about their periods from the beginning, so men were like "don't worry stay home, I'll work" but now you want to stay home and receive money too? 😅 Come on, the worker is owed what's due, not you can stay at home and receive payment although nothing is wrong with you.
@@SecondTake123 how am I discriminating?
I won't hire women in a country that allows women to have paid menstrual leave, its my business I can do that.
And if it falls on the weekend, which the period is 7 days of every 28 days, meaning they will have a week off, that's 13 of 52 weeks off, ¼ of a year. And in my design practice that's a lot of time.
And OK that's personal, what about schools, hospitals, police force, etc which all have a high percentage of female workers, every month ¼ of the workers will be at home for their time of the month? Which means these industries will have to find more workers which they already struggle to find workers as is.
And unless they find males to replace them or women that have been through menopause, it just takes up more revenue.
And let's face it (I'm going to be really blunt) most men are better workers then most women. I've seen it practically, all through school, work and the real world.
If women want this equality to mean anything then they should be willing to take on equal responsibilities, otherwise they should stay home bare foot and pregnant.
What about shemales? Would they get to take advantage of the menstrual leave same as the actual women? Otherwise that would be discriminatory.
if their doctor says so, mr. 2015 edgy boy
Hello friends, my name is Lorena, although I was born a boy, I also have psychological menstruation once a month and I have a really bad time. it is a good initiative.
When my wife has her days so do I. I support this bill! Men should also be allowed to take days off.
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I fully support this bill, it seems Irene Montero was in dire need of menstrual leave while delivering her speech.
Lmao
It doesn't matter if the government pays or not...what matters is the increase in workload on the men left behind. Will this cause physical and mental stress on men trying to balance the workload while these women take holidays. Will this raise work related deaths due to stress on men? And Yes, its a holiday...can men who suffer sore muscles everyday in the labor force take a recovery week off when they are in great pain from this? No, you replace them with men capable to do the job. A sick woman has no place being a burden on employer and or society. Stay home if you know you will effect all around you. First women ask for equality...then they want to do only soft work, now they don't want to work as their bodies engage in normal activity. This is why "primitive" man and woman put the woman at home where safe and not effecting all around! How long before fools today realize equality between two different sex´s simply is not possible...and there has to be some degree of rational thinking rather than alternate reality. We have equal brains... but physically we are water and chalk. There is no equality!
Why tf i would hire a woman then if i could hire a man for the job?
It is ridiculous
No it won't. Men are used to them being hysterical and disconcerted, so not a big loss
As a girl I will actually agree with you and say that if this becomes a thing then more companies will hire men instead.
I feel that men have more job opportunities than women and this bill/ law will only make it more difficult.
@@StrongRespect Because women voted in a government that passes laws to force you to hire women using affirmative action. Women should not have been gifted the vote.
@@2AM_somewhere You "feel". Reality doesn't care about your feelings. Female affirmative action laws have demonstrated otherwise at the expense of men and boys.
Good luck. Guess how much I want to hire someone who will be 1/4 of the month out of work at will.
It works well here in Switzerland, even without a doctor's certificate 😀
This sounds like a horrible idea, who would hire a female (who can worm their way out of the office 3 days a month) over a male who can not do this?. Way to make it way harder for women to get decent jobs. 0/10
Woman also can not do it if menstruations are not really painful and she doesn’t have proved medical indication of it. Also, the pain usually is felt only first day of cycle
Men should also be given paid leaves! Why do men have to work extra?
"because we're men and this is feminist world"
This is happening because we allowed woman to learn how to read. Now look at us.
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So equal pay for less work. Yeah, that's a great idea. You just wouldn't want to hire someone who took off 3 to 5 days off each month and you were forced to pay them. It doesn't make any sense because companies would be less profitable by hiring those staff members.
The video literally says the pay will come out of the government's pocket.
Companies already hire people with numerous medical conditions to do their jobs, this is no different. This isn't for every women going through period, again, as per the video, you need a doctor's note that your period is the type that hurts so much it impairs your work performance.
@@chinguunerdenebadrakh7022 then again the productivity flow is important for companies too. Is it easier to count on those who can work all the time or making contingencies for disruption that may come? Employing women will be more expensive for employer even if it's paid by government.
@@chinguunerdenebadrakh7022 so the male population has to pay the female population while they have to work longer GG is that the equality everyone is talking about?
@@chinguunerdenebadrakh7022 productivity-wise is not good for the employer
@@Frank-tr5rz No. Taxes are payed by everyone. Is not men paying for women. It's citizens paying taxes to keep their rights.
Women arent paying your sick leave when you have prostate cancer.
“Take as many days” I guess I’m a woman now 🤷♂️
You'll have to be able to menstruate.
Doesn't Spain have almost 14% of unemployment rate? The biggest in EU. It will be a real pain to find a job for a women after this legislation.
Yep
Why would I hire women? You'll work on average of 3/4 weeks a month. I'll just hire men as a rule of thumb.
Because you wouldn't want to discriminate against those who have medical conditions that cause severe menstrual pain e.g. pcos, fibroids and Endometriosis. Such conditions can indeed be considered a disability under the equality act 2010.
@@hollybickell7331 sure I would. If one gender is taking 1 week off a month, in addition to regular benefits, I most certainly would avoid hiring them. It kills efficiency.
@@hollybickell7331 identify as women
If you want to earn the same money you should deliver the same work.
If it's has to be approved by the doctor why not take 1-2 days sick leave whenever needed? Why does it have to be maid a law if it has to be with proof from the doctor? I think this law will make employers avoid hiring women :(
You only need proof from a doctor once that you have severe menstrual pain
Exactly, here in Switzerland you don't need a doctor's certificate for the first two days of sick leave ‼️
Just let them stay home. Spain is known for questionable work ethics, so this will just formalize it
haha
This is the act of a civilised government.
Equaltiy
Why is DW blocking the usage of a term similar to "Claun world". Too acurate?
What happened to equal treatment? What about us men with migraines and back problems and knee problems? Liberals you give them an inch they want a mile
You are such an freak. You know that women can have migraines and back problems too, right? If this is a mile for you, expect us to go a couple of parsecs more.
Good they can stay home instead of making life miserable for everyone.
You must have so many female admirers 🤣
1. Technically. It's nothing new. Your doctor could have always given you a paid leave. But, as this is funded by the government, the doctor would have to specify that it's because of menstruation. Basically feeding your medical and private data to the employee. You've not thought this through, did you?
2. I thought the whole point was for the women to be an equal part of the work force, ti. not to be stuck at home. Or was it just the money all along?
No. On medical leaves all it says is the doctor says you cant work, it never says why.
who is going to hire somebody who wants 5 to 10 days off every month
@GapYear So won't companies stop hiring women? Lol you people don't understand how markets work.
Also you say it's unfair to women, but isn't also unfair to men to just stress them with extra work that they will not get paid for, every single month, while it was no mistake of their own? You are totally biased lol
@GapYear so everyone got 30 days of holidays. But if youre a woman, youll get more like what? 50? 60? Great strategy. Shows everyone how Equal everyone is. And that some will work and some wont. That will help all women to be taken serious in the equality Diskussion. Not.
No because if you dont hire woman they are gona say you are not feminist and they are gona cancel you
@@agr2190 for sure
@GapYear Thing is in most of Europe they already can take these days off without bigger problems. There isn't excactly a Limit to sick days and paid sick leave exists as well
The fear here is employers realising/fearing that women could call in sick like clockwork which for an all female workplace would bloat your staff requirements by 10-25% in the worst case.
And those fears were not brought up by conservatives but by members or the spanish socialist Party, Union leaders and the Representative of the Network for those that suffer from Endometriosis. So opinions on this are VERY split
And now we wait for the inevitable moaning from women about a pay gap, when they don't spend as much time working and have time off every month 🙄🙄 I have nothing against women having menstrual leave, just don't expect to climb to corporate ladder as quickly as a man
A ladder that leads nowhere apparently
Except most of that whining doesn't really happen. You've probably heard about it from your right wing pundit of choice. In general women tend to put their head down and get on with things. Hence why for a while now they tend to outperform men academically by quite a margin.
@@room007 also were are not talking about academia, not sure why you are. I'm talking about a working environment.
@@room007 furthermore, if the whining doesn't happen I'll happily stand corrected. I have a sneaking suspicion however, that won't happen 😅
Gender Pain Gap
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This is the sort of policy thinking that only happens when you have a group of people that have never worked in the private sector, and no one in the room has an economics background.
It is called Gynocentrism.
"The government is going to pay for it." Great, but you hired someone because you needed a worker. If someone doesn't go to work for several days, every month, that's a giant problem, even if you don't have to pay that person. I am not saying women should go to work if they have actual pain. I am just saying, it doesn't solve the problem for the employer. Probable consequences are that men will be preferably hired and more likely promoted. Another negative consequence will most certainly be, that some percentage of women will take advantage of this. I mean, you don't have to prove it and you are offered to work maybe 1/4 less for the same pay. Some will abuse it.
"The government is going to pay for it" - no the tax payer is.
The employer will have to pay overtime to other workers and how Spain works I doubt that the leave money (tax payers) will arrive on time.
The thing is that paid or unpaid the pain is there, and the women who suffer from it will take the days off ,anyway. Also, stigma towards women exists, here is someone who couldn't find work for a year because she had no help for her baby . Only someone who doesn't suffer every month for a week could limit this to money and career.
@@annamarial2960 That is a fairly decent point. The cost will be there whether we like it or not.
So then it becomes a question of who’s cost, and how do we pay for it.
Frankly, speaking as a worker. I believe it shouldn’t be unlimited leave.
That said, as a Man I am totally okay with socializing the cost of the continuation of our species, and see zero reason to exclude period pain from that category.
@@JM-zg2jg I agree. Infact, in my personal comment to the video, I stated that I believe this law should privilege women with conditions such as andometriosis, for example. I have worked through period pain with no problem my whole life and only sometimes I had to take sick leave because of it...I understand that a lot of people will just use it to their advantage, so it should be very carefully studied and researched. The idea is awesome though. Its a natural thing and trust me most women can't wait for it to be over to enjoy their lives...its not just the monthly thing but also the hormonal imbalance...its horrible, nature was quite cruel to us XD
In one of my previous jobs we had a woman who use to regularly take sick leave because of menstrual pain.
The thing is this is in a IT department so everyone except her was male and no one questioned little details. For example these menstrual pains happened the day after she had been out drinking and partying, also it wasn't monthly, sometimes she would suffer menstrual pain on a weekly bases.
The head of IT never questioned her about her menstrual pain. Weekly menstrual pain always after you've been out drinking, is a bit strange.
This happened in the UK, where British law gives people sick leave, so why can't existing laws about sick leave cover Spanish menstrual pain?
mimimi
Had a gf who had reall messed up menstrual pain sometimes for weeks, but after drinking is a bit weird may i ask how did you guys know that she drank the day before?
@@JR-mh8vn we know about her nights out and drinking because we talked to her and we were all friends.
While ur case sounds legit, i used to have really unpredictable periods
Sometimes every 2weeks, sometimes every 8weeks. Id b fainting throwingup n diarrohea from the pain, was no way i could work those days. If i had issues from boss, doc supported me with my history n all was well. Im in UK. I can see some abusing this, but im glad for those like me n as long as there are checks n balances, such as historical data from doc to support, i think this is a good thing
Finally more men to be in the work force, good job Spain
Your lot don’t need this anyways
@@thunderstraw864 lots of people in Spain need jobs
Business-wise is not good for the employer and it's not fair for the coworkers
It will only increase more men workforce in jobs than actually, helping women since, there's never a job surplus.
Not true here in Switzerland
Isn't this Women's Menstrual Leave not kinda discriminatory excluding men?
Do men bleed from their genitals on a regular basis?
Trans 'women' will no doubt be included.
roy jacobs : Read my above comment and I touch upon your very query. 2 great minds think alike mate!
What about blue balls!? Sometimes blue balls can be very painful and can last long, even for weeks :'(
PAID LEAVE FOR BLUE BALLS!
Santiago Cruz : Never suffer blue balls if you release the pressure on a regular basis. If you know what I mean your problem will be fixed & you'll be ok keeping the plumbing flowing smoothly.
It's a medical condition that women have. It should be treated as such but also not ignored.
I know only two women who have it bad. But really really, debilitating bad.
Likely, because of the stigma that will probably come from it, few women will take it in the beginning. It would be good if option of teleworking is there for those days as well.
Depends on the job of course, but occasionally when I had it worse than usual, I would have given a lot if I could have just stayed home, in darkened room and answered my emails from the bed.
lazy women just being lazy and stealing money from their companies
This is…well. Ok I’ll just stay silent and happy
you said it all haha
in effect Finland already has this. but it isn't just womans or mensuration but general.
there is a cure currently for period pain, the pill. No Period, no pain.
no Period, no Pain.
@@A.MartinNext time your at the Doctor's, try running the idea past them and see what answer you get.
@@jo_clarke1960 that is what they do for the worst cases, less serious its just prescribe anti inflammatory.
@GapYear no you don't. Many people find it strange to go without their Period so most solutions are designed to let them have a period once a month, but it is not required at all.
Lets all men Identify as women Take leave
Love seeing Americans complaining in the comments. They are merely not used to such revolutionary ideas as free health care or social programs.
Nothing is "free". It's paid for by men and boys for the benefit of females.
How would you defing disabeling pain because that's the kind of law that's subject to abuse from tthe receiving end part, what kind of safety draw you around that law.
My uterus was severely tilted. My periods were like childbirth. (I have two kids, so I can compare. Not as bad as transition, but everything up to that I felt every month!)
I had doctors notes to keep me out of marching band practice, but the one female director told me I couldn’t ever sit out because “periods aren’t that bad.”
Do not judge someone else’s pain level. I promise you, you know nothing.
Hooray for Spain! Now make it law, Folks! 🎉💜
Yea I understand your feelings. I sometimes just feel sad when I work, so I should get mental health leave. But they just tell me I'm lazy
the issue are the women who will take advantage of this law but aren't in as much pain as you. the employers will stop hiring women, bc they cost too much to employ if they are taking a week off each month.
this will hurt women in general a lot, especially those who are truthfull about their pain and those who are willing to work despite their menstruation afterall its easier and safer to just hire a man.
@@Croucele there clearly said that can leave only those who have certificate from doctor with medical proof about it.
"the state will pay for the holiday time... Not workers"
Erm...
Why was it again that men earn more for the same work?
Ohja.. Bad Patriarchy, i forgot.
I did not realize that Spain was this left leaning.
It is worse than we all think, almost communist practices covered under democratic talk.
What about blue balls? I'm sick of being aroused and teased. Men should be allowed to stay home during this difficult time.
Im pretty sure you can go to a doctor, tell him and get payed leave for that...
@@patrickstar686 I think this guy has a more serious condition, but he is unaware of it...
@@timothymattnew 😂
This should be law everywhere. Where are those feminists now that fought for their rights ?i dont think women were meant to work,thats why they didn't before. If it's not pain to the point of throwing up then its super tired,bloating and lethargy before your period, seems each age we go through something different, no matter who you are. My FAVOURITE thing in all these comments from men saying it is rare for women to have problems during PMS. Assuming most of these men live in spain, most of them must not have been raised properly to respect women.
It will just mean less women getting hired. Easy workaround
Then naturally of course the feminist groups will inevitably file some lawsuit claiming gender discrimination against them.
@@TheGQBrotha how can they prove it?
@@michaelr3583 - They’ll likely cry foul that more women aren’t hired and demand a 50/50 quota for hiring. Put nothing past these feminist groups of today, it’s no longer about equal, but special rights for them.
Talk about equality
Why do these women have disabling pain? Are the Spanish unhealthy? It's not normal to have pain as bad as that - it will make an employer less likely to hire a woman that will be the end result
Men also want to work less, equality!!
all the men in the comments are so salty lol try having heavy painful periods then you will understand
Equality women , equality .
That's what you asked for so take it .
What???
It’s okay, women in today’s world can work at home and still get things done.
We need equality, men should be given similar benefit.
This seems like something that should have happened a long time ago. There has been a real failure in a male-dominated society to develop proper treatments for menstrual pain. That's the fundamental problem here
I've been sending women home early to nurse their bloody noses for decades. Don't want them here rage crying.
Raise your hand if you're a man who feels personally victimized by the news that an already vastly unequal business environment might have one tiny privilege for women that won't even be used by a majority, let alone abused by a majority!
Not victimized in any way. I just oppose identity pollitics, sexism in this case. This compensation isn´t for unequal career opportunities, but for the inconvenience of menstruating. Let´s not muddy the waters.
Since women tend to live 5 years longer than men, nature already compensated for that at the tune of 4 days a month. So this is a non-issue solved by yet another divisive law.
It still may seem unjust, to swap free days in their prime against free days as an elderly citizen. But then again, during menstruation women are partially incapacitated too. That´s why this bill was introduced in the first place, wasn´t it?
So how does this not even out?
(Raise your hand if you consider every woman a victim that needs to be compensated in any which way :)
Of course, women who have severe pains should be compensated for, just like people with diabetes or migraines. But that goes without saying.
Spotted: "You are hater of Women"... xD.
What privilege ????????
As many days as needed. This will be abbosed.
Pain is subjective and hard to measure and to quantify. Doctors have to take woman word for it.
Easy free paid holidays coming.
Yeah, next thing you know, they'll force you to learn how spell! Someone has to stop them!
here was me thinking that women were equal to men :)
If they are giving leave for that they should give leave for menopause!
What about Blue Balls Paid Leave? Huh?
I think this is a VERY good idea. I knew someone who had PMDD and she was practically incapacitated due to her extreme period cramps; this would make things alot fairer for women who have to go through this.
It would make it easier for some women but fairer? Is it "fair" if you get paid the same for working let's say 3 out of 4 weeks per month, as someone who literally works 1/3 more?
Being nice and being fair are not the same thing.
@@Garium87 surely this women would rather not have their periods and be able to go work like everyone else (as they were forced to do so far). Sometimes it's more about equity than equality.
@@machaon7300 and sometimes it’s about having someone there who is earning their salary. Reality is simply that a business will always pick the hire who will be there versus the one that won’t
Ngl the world is not a fair place so suck it up
@@nirmalramath8441 Exactly. Men should quit whining and accept the fact that women will get these accommodations.