You can tell Riddles doesnt like fighting Steve. This mu just looks hell for all the fighting game characters, Steve basically outscraps most of them and puts them in so many bad spots, But Riddles did well especially DDEE too
Yup Riddles piloted well in this disadvantage matchup. If only he managed to finish up the match 2 and didn’t let Steve do Steve things to robbery at the end.
I got to see most of this tournament in person and everyone was going crazy for steve all weekend. I don't play and watch a lot of smash but it was very entertaining watching this guy destroy everyone as steve and have the crowd on his side
As much as camping is a frustrating tactic to watch some of y’all sound ridiculous. Are y’all REALLY expecting Steve to stay on the ground and play footsies with KAZUYA?
No it’s because people like you are hypocrites. It’s generally OK to bitch at the usual run away stuff when you see Sonics at tournaments, but it’s fine when Steve does it? Get out of here with your Steve/player bias.
Honestly, what was crazy was the last game mix. Ddee “air camped” really only the start then played the game the rest of the way. Either he didn’t have it in him to continue the “lameplay” or he just forgot. GGs
I dont even particularly like steve but i dont see what the deal is with patient/evasive gameplay being looked down upon when its IMO a completely fair way to approach the game? Like yeah i guess its not hype to watch, but its still something that takes skill, time, and energy to do successfully in a professional setting. That alone is something I am willing to respect.
So why it is now ok to run away with Steve, but people love to cry about the lame running away when SonicX or Ken runs away with Sonic? Thing is Steve doesn’t even need to run away to beat Kazuya. He already has the neutral advantage and trumped him many times in the match.
@@mrharvy100 it’s not ok because it’s Steve, it’s ok because it’s kazuya. Camping kazuya is like camping little mac: if you don’t do it, he’s gonna win. Hbox said it well by saying the floor was lava. If ddee played like this against any other character I’d be pissed but it’s excusable
People hate Sonic because quite literally their end game is time out the game when they’re stalling, Steve in this scenario didn’t want to fight Kazuya head on so tried to remain out of their reach to get their resources up to battle optimally. It was fair play, Kazuya is freakin terrifying to fight.
Seriously, does know one know the term breaking ankles?! Like when in basketball they fall over because of the jukes and shmovement handling the ball . “No one says ‘breaking ankles’ gtfoh lol
Another young player to watch out for: DDEE. What a time to be a Smash fan. The amount of new talent emerging is insane! Gosh why couldn't I be up there lol. Props to Riddles for doing so well in this one. Definitely one of my favorite players to watch!
No you don’t. Kaz loses to neutral hard. Steve is literally a sword character with a bunch of moves that trumps Kaz’s kit including the mine cart. Face it your Steve player played lame just like your average Sonic player does. If it’s “Ok” to crap on how lame Sonic plays then it’s “OK” to crap on how lame the Steve player played against Kaz especially when Steve didn’t even need to do that to win easy
Y’all complaining about air camping when most players wouldn’t even know HOW to with Steve. It’s creative as hell and a great psychological edge to have.
As a Terry main, power wave is so important in this matchup, it’s the only thing Terry has that isn’t committal that stops Steve from mining if he’s on the ground. Steve can punish nearly everything else Terry does.
Power wave doesnt break anything stronger than dirt, and it gives steve a ton of time to mine. Would not recommend this strat to anyone fighting a good steve
@@Legend-jl1ls this strat is extremely effective, as I never said it was good against blocks, just while Steve mines. Which is often. Steve doesn’t always block with blocks, most times the strat steve uses is simply running away to ledge in order to mine. In these scenarios, power wave, the slow variant, forces a jump or shield, both of which can be punished through proper “habit reading” I’m correct in my guide. You’re speaking of an entirely different interaction, while valid, isn’t what I was on about.
@@calivali2876 and i said against good steves, who will 100% use blocks to get diamond against you if you start power waving to pressure. Bad steves will do what you said lol If you said crack shoot i would be inclined to agree somewhat, since it goes over one block. But it doesnt sound like you know that, probably a lack of mu experience. And an L shaped wall blocks crack shoot anyways, and will not break on anything stronger than dirt.
Holy cow, Ddee is finally on stage and playing on the tournament? Let's go kid! Still, Riddles is probably my favorite person to watch, but any fcg fighter sucks against Steve.
He's dramatically better vs Roy over time. The problem with Steve is that even if you practice... the Steves all play very different. Rockman plays different from Jake who plays different from DDeity who plays different from Yonni.
You can only get ready so much against certain MUs. All the MU knowledge in the world doesn’t negate that opponent character having tools that can easily bully your characters. “Everyone has a plan until they get punched” To Riddles credit he took the first game and if he managed to finish off the 2nd and prevented the Steve Robbery the momentum would have been on his side/the Steve player would start getting more frustrated/nervous to make more mistakes as we saw how he reacted losing 1st game
@@ryubayani1729 Ryu is way more mobile than kazuya and has a better projectile than both him and Terry so he can pressure a little more when Steve is mining.
People just don’t like Steve which is understandable what versatile and creative character it’s like fighting a kazuya where they have so many options and so many ways to combo and get damage off of it’s not DDee it’s Steve in all honesty
Because he played really obnoxiously. I’m glad he won, he deserved it, but most of the games it was just: Mine, don’t approach, throw a Minecart, mine more, don’t approach, throw another Minecart, riddles approaches, jump anvil, ledgetrap or do a crazy combo, get a kill, don’t approach, don’t approach.
Can someone explain how do I follow these tournaments in real-time? I have no idea where or when they air. Is there a website everyone uses to follow the brackets etc? Like for Genesis I only found out through YT it was going on and only saw the final. I wish I could have followed it from earlier on and watch other matches
Oh no riddles FINALLY FUCKING LOSES let’s all complain because we had to watch counter play to kazuya garbage… I’d do the same like nope not dealing with your lame tactics. Apply the same strategy with a narcissist just disengage and you win.
@9:51 Can a Steve main help explain what happened here? Ddee uses up diamond spade tool but has Gold in resources. Ddee goes to craft. Why does he craft Stone and not Gold tools? Isn’t the priority for crafting Diamond > Gold > Iron > Stone > Wood?
@@limetuul Thank you. You're right. I just tried in game. I assumed if playing Steve or playing against Steve, if the Gold bar was present, he would craft Gold. Playing 1 mine cart after Gold and some down airs to drain Iron, and Steve will craft Stone as highest available upgrade.
So what happens is you need a full Gold Ignot to craft Gold weapons but gold is also used for Powered Rail Minecarts which he used one already so its no long a full ignot thus unable to craft gold weapons
I'm very confused as to why Steve is loved and why Sonic is hated when it comes to players camping out thier opponents to win certain matchups. No hate, just genuinely curious if anyone could care to explain?
Bruh, not even 15 comments and the Steve hate is real. Kinda funny ngl since Kazuya is just as bad as Steve in most regards and Terry is cool until you realized most of his confirms are maybe 4 inputs, but his GO! move confirms are pretty cool so he's not nearly as bad.
Kazuyas combos require a frame 2 input move and careful watching of DI. How in tf r they both as boring while one just runs away and the other gets in ur face
@@harvesterman5210 Yeah, learning input timings, after a Kazuya learns that one thing they just feel like they're mashing without thought, do you realize how many times I see most Kazuya's use that god-forsaken move in a single match. Never said Steve doesn't mash either, he does and it's fruitful since jab or macro-fair lead to f-air and b-air. Kazuya is just way harder to avoid and some things are almost too good, EWGF into up-smash is one lamest kill-confirms that kill at 80 with most characters.
“Kazuya just as bad” Uh….what? When does Steve have -Technical inputs with strict timing - worst jump in game - terrible recovery - worst disadvantage state in game - crap neutral Talk about being a Steve fanboy without actually saying it lmao
“After a Kazuya learns that one thing” Lmao. You literally don’t know anything about that character. Riddles from this tournament alone used different Kaz routes and they are not all EWGF focused. You do realize you also need to get the timing for this WR motion, platform combos, his sweep setups, etc. If it was remotely as easy as you think then there would be a bunch of Kaz out of pools. Yes Kazuya can kill early. Big whoop. So does the rest of the roster including Steve lol. There is more to a character value then how much damage they can do
@@mrharvy100 Ok ok, so half of those things you mentioned Steve literally has, he has a god awful jump, his neutral is better than Kazuya's but is still pretty bad, and ever heard of a NIL. You say I know nothing about Kazuya, but it sounds like you know nothing of Steve. Riddles is an amazing player and I'm not ever going to discredit his or any other Kazuya main's efforts, nevertheless the character has fundamentally better tools in a lot of situations than most charcters. Like, half of his moves have invulnerability and are far safer than most while he only needs a few proper hits to connect to kill. Riddles pilots Kazuya with a ton of finesse and is one of only two players I've seen that plays him this well. To an extent Steve is similar in many ways, there are only a handful of great Steve players and the average Steve player is a campy son of a bitch that never approaches and has no concept of neutral it feels like. Steve is very technical as well though, his combo's aren't as guaranteed and are way easier to SDI out of, other than the basic Steve ladder, he trades consistent combo's for a slightly better disadvantage and a very nuanced recovery. You also have to realize though that Kazuya is a lot more explosive and while Steve could maybe do 70-80 percent on a combo with diamond. Kazuya has all that from the start, no build up, he has access to almost everything from the start while being heavy, suprisingly agile, can turn around instantly to make things hit when they wouldn't otherwise and can kill earlier than at least 2/3rds the cast consistently. My original point to a completely different person was that Kazuya is really good and and there's no denying that, and that it is hypocritical that people hate on Steve for being "easy" while both characters have lame ways to play them that make this game not fun. I just didn't immediately point out Steve's issues, while noting that it's funny that people mald when a Steve wins and rejoice when he loses in an offline major.
I think riddles played this completely wrong & got inpatient. Let him mine off stage or above, it doesn’t matter since he’ll eventually be forced to craft a weapon & fight up close. Riddles was jumping too close & fighting near the ledges & that’s why he lost. Just camp middle of the stage & then fight.
Probably because Kola's play style is completely countered by Kazuya? Kola's rush down style is alot harder to adjust against a character who can kill you off a single hit
@@jiyu3027 he just realized that cant scrap in short distance against kazuya after losing two games and going for cloud, after losing to riddles kazuya in they last major match, hes just stubborn with his roy
@@zacharyh5419 dude do you not fucking realize it’s because the other Kazuyas aren’t in his skill level so he can control them unlike Riddles whose so good he has to force this playstyle😐
Cuz its his first time playing a good Steve. He doesnt know the matchup and that Town and City and Smashville are good counterpicks because those stages only offer mostly wood so Steve is underpowered
@@SparklingHarmony lmao calling a character toxic tells me all i need to know. Cry inside more. Even if you had a 5 stock handicap in each game, you’d still go 0-2 in pools
I love both of these players so much, such great play on both ends. Anyone hating on DDee needs to be quite because this kid is one of the most creative players out there, give him his credit. Just like we give Riddles his credit.
@@bsmccrunner4 ok, not ddee tho. So yes he deserves credit. Before you say “steve blah blah blah” this kid has been on the map before Steve even came out and was known as a prodigy. So don’t discredit him.
@@ToastedGam Its more unfortunate to other characters that you have to camp Kazuya to win. And unfortunate to us as spectators because we recognize this and still hate camping.
@@gxstly Well yeah, it sucks for everyone involved. Kazuya has a somewhat linear playstyle that can snuff out how the other character wants to play. The other character then camps and that snuffs out how the Kazuya player wants to play. And no spectator wants to see camping since it's a playstyle that people generally dislike (me included). There's no winner in this situation.
Being camped by Steve isn’t Karma. Kola’s problem is that he mashes all the time with Roy and with Roys speed and damage output he just swings and hopes it lands. Sorry that Kola just wasn’t good enough to beat Riddles and it took lame play to win. Or the Wifi special I like to call it.
Watching most Steve players is about as fun a watching paint dry. Almost as bad as Sonic. Acola is the only one that is actually somewhat entertaining EDIT: by no means am I shitting on the player. In fact props to him for beating Riddles, regardless of the matchup being in DDEE’s favor, beating Riddles is no easy feat and especially at such a young age (I just don’t like Steve gameplay)
@@JJ-xe6wd Terry isn’t my favorite either cause yeah I agree, it usually is like the same 3-4 combos I feel like. But Kazuya is one of the most fun characters to watch, so many possibilities with his combos
@@lokks2130 lmao Japanese bias? Nah I don’t like their meta. Too many annoying characters that aren’t as fun. Acola plays way more aggressively than this Steve
@@mrharvy100 idk to me, this just goes to show smash players aren't used to playing vs camping/lame play and then complain about it when interaction isnt happening.
@@stephorozco8911 It’s also pretty lame if you play Steve in only 1 way against every matchup. Steve only camps against kazuya, against others he goes for those crazy up air strings like we say with ddee against terry. Kazuya kills wayyyy to early, and every combo kazuya has ends in a smash or some kinda of kill confirm. So it’s more the kazuya pick to blame.
@@mrharvy100 The game is what it is. Too many games for us to enjoy to waste emotional energy crying about camping. If someone dislikes it that much either stop playing the game or counterpick. Those are your real options. Simple and both are valid courses of action.
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DDee with the GAP drip. Truly embodying the fact that he’s only 14.
Jokes aside, what a young legend.
How old is he? Literally looks 14
@@roberthorry621 he is like 14 or 15
@@roberthorry621 he’s 15
they said 14 in the vid
@@nathantorres8352 lol right.
You can tell Riddles doesnt like fighting Steve. This mu just looks hell for all the fighting game characters, Steve basically outscraps most of them and puts them in so many bad spots, But Riddles did well especially DDEE too
Nobody likes fighting steve
@@ABC-ik9vj You win that matchup bro, stop complaining😂
Yup Riddles piloted well in this disadvantage matchup. If only he managed to finish up the match 2 and didn’t let Steve do Steve things to robbery at the end.
@@ABC-ik9vj >Steve matchup is boring and lame
My brother in Christ, you play Spammeroth.
@@ohianaw a winning matchup doesn't mean it isn't annoying.
11:28 the hypest gameplay of ultimate I’ve ever seen
Honestly, same.
Kazuya deserves it
@@adv78 nah fuck that
Steve deserves the worst
Me when little mac has K.O. punch and I'm not at 0%.
Facts rewarded for camping & can still mine in the air/offstage is corny 😂
Gotta love the camp
Hungrybox has greatly improved on his commentary. Overall great job from both of them.
HE IS MEXICAN
@@andressuarez2942 he’s actually Argentinian
@@ElRobin th-cam.com/video/syhqwCiddmE/w-d-xo.html
It was pretty bad when he was with m2k...
@@ElRobin you don't get it bro 😂
This set still doesn't make me love watching steve, but damn ddee played both matchups really well, and his streak so far is very impressive.
how you play steve literally counterpicks fgcs 😬
@@starbur101 Ultimate players try not to complain about everything challenge!!! (impossible! only 10% cant)
@@fool8346 I feel like players forget that almost every character in this game can be played lame so I just don't bother complaining.
Are you kidding me this was the most fun Steve play I've ever seen. Those reads and combos were insane.
@@Morimoto94 This set proves that there is a way to finally beat kazuya!!!!😄😄😄
This matchup is rough for both Terry and especially Kaz. Good on Riddles for making it close as it was
Haha finally riddles loses 🎉
3:38 Riddles so excited that the controller flew out of his hand
I love Hbox's energy when he commentates
Commentary on this set is top tier
11:16 Hbox says “DLC on DLC crime” when Riddles picks Kazuya but Terry was also DLC
Terry seems more honest than Kazuya
@@itsyaboychipsahoy.7989 both are dishonest characters lol, literally just mash combos starters until it works. that’s kinda how smash is as a game
@@Fightzpike Yeah they’re both dishonest, but Kazuya way more lol
Well it’s the 2 most broken dlc fighters
I got to see most of this tournament in person and everyone was going crazy for steve all weekend. I don't play and watch a lot of smash but it was very entertaining watching this guy destroy everyone as steve and have the crowd on his side
As much as camping is a frustrating tactic to watch some of y’all sound ridiculous.
Are y’all REALLY expecting Steve to stay on the ground and play footsies with KAZUYA?
People don't complain when a Mac gets mega camped bc it's the matchup but when Steve is doing it is different for some reason
Right? I stay the fuck away from Kazuya whenever i can. Mfs mad he dont wanna stay grounded lmao. Hes trying to win, not lose.
No it’s because people like you are hypocrites.
It’s generally OK to bitch at the usual run away stuff when you see Sonics at tournaments, but it’s fine when Steve does it? Get out of here with your Steve/player bias.
To be honest, I understand why Steve is camping, but it seriously sucks to see Steve being able to just camp and mine on blocks beyond the stage.
Steve literally plays like this versus everyone
Sad that riddes run ended against steve but we are now one set closer to a possible emote grands popoff
Why is it sad?….maybe you should try a tourney with Steve. 0-2 in pools real quick. Cry more
@@Fpl8646 lol rick morty
Because Steve is a lame character. Cry more if you are crying that not everybody loves your Minecraft character.
And on his birthday :c
@@Fpl8646 nobody likes your type of personality
14:38 look at the hand size difference
My favorite players of their respective characters, and two of my favorite players in general. Real treat to watch
Riddles sucks so glad he lost
Honestly, what was crazy was the last game mix. Ddee “air camped” really only the start then played the game the rest of the way. Either he didn’t have it in him to continue the “lameplay” or he just forgot. GGs
He was forced to. As soon as he hit the ground Kazuya took his stock in 2 hits lmao
I heard ppl talking about it and thought this set would be more lemme but DDEE didn't even camp that much it was heavily exaggerated
I watched Fatality struggle against Riddles a year ago and to see this kid just mop him is insane to me
It wasn’t the player so much as the character. Steve doesn’t belong in smash
@@bsmccrunner4 It was 100% the player
@@bsmccrunner4 No character in Ultimate is nearly as carried as people want to think. All of them belong.
@@fyzikal5 its like 50/50 of the 2 Steve dissapear FGC
@@bsmccrunner4 if you played Steve against riddles's kazya, you'd get washed
Im happy for this kid man I cant imagine that feeling!
I dont even particularly like steve but i dont see what the deal is with patient/evasive gameplay being looked down upon when its IMO a completely fair way to approach the game?
Like yeah i guess its not hype to watch, but its still something that takes skill, time, and energy to do successfully in a professional setting. That alone is something I am willing to respect.
The problem is with Steve it doesn't take skill. Almost everything is stupidly easy to set up.
i agree completely 😴
Steve
Skill
Pick one
Fuck that, ddee played the matchup super well. Kazuya's death combos are pretty ridiculous and you cannot fight him fair
Thank you Samsora for helping the world discover DDee
We don't say that name anymore.
@@ClubSoda98 Uh oh what did he do
@@AnimeFridays Cover and didn't try to disprove the allegation lies for his own profit.
@@gxstly that’s not his fault though, it’s not his job to explain anyones trauma 😡😡😡
Could feel riddles' frustration in that last match with ddee running away. Its optimal but damn thats lame
U want him to play footies with kazuya?
So why it is now ok to run away with Steve, but people love to cry about the lame running away when SonicX or Ken runs away with Sonic?
Thing is Steve doesn’t even need to run away to beat Kazuya. He already has the neutral advantage and trumped him many times in the match.
@@mrharvy100 it’s not ok because it’s Steve, it’s ok because it’s kazuya. Camping kazuya is like camping little mac: if you don’t do it, he’s gonna win. Hbox said it well by saying the floor was lava. If ddee played like this against any other character I’d be pissed but it’s excusable
People hate Sonic because quite literally their end game is time out the game when they’re stalling, Steve in this scenario didn’t want to fight Kazuya head on so tried to remain out of their reach to get their resources up to battle optimally. It was fair play, Kazuya is freakin terrifying to fight.
@@jeepers3222 you can easily beat mac without camping him wth do you mean?
The Georgia Prodigy is going places. He's breaking ankles at his first tournament and people still doubting him?
1: I agree
2: no one says breaking ankles
@@moonwatchereclipse5291 I’ll remember this when you’re at the doctors office and can’t explain why you’re unable to walk (I broke your ankles)
@@LunaDachi I wish I could report this comment for low brain power 🧠
Seriously, does know one know the term breaking ankles?! Like when in basketball they fall over because of the jukes and shmovement handling the ball . “No one says ‘breaking ankles’ gtfoh lol
Starting to camp was a great idea by Ddee, he respected Kazuya, and he deserved that win
True riddles sucks
Another young player to watch out for: DDEE. What a time to be a Smash fan. The amount of new talent emerging is insane! Gosh why couldn't I be up there lol. Props to Riddles for doing so well in this one. Definitely one of my favorite players to watch!
You literally have to do this to kaz to not die in one hit
Literally. If I can die to one interaction, I’m not giving you that interaction, pick a different character and maybe I’ll approach more.
@Joshua Suh yes kazuya loses to campers that’s my whole point 😭 you have to camp him or you just die
No you don’t. Kaz loses to neutral hard. Steve is literally a sword character with a bunch of moves that trumps Kaz’s kit including the mine cart.
Face it your Steve player played lame just like your average Sonic player does. If it’s “Ok” to crap on how lame Sonic plays then it’s “OK” to crap on how lame the Steve player played against Kaz especially when Steve didn’t even need to do that to win easy
@@lokks2130 Steve literally plays like this against every character 💀
@@mrharvy100 bro called Steve a swordie
Y’all complaining about air camping when most players wouldn’t even know HOW to with Steve. It’s creative as hell and a great psychological edge to have.
It's rewarding a player for avoiding a fight... In a *fighting* game
Riddles shouldn’t have had to deal with air camping on his birthday lmao
Worst gift man
@@nened_master60 the gift of defeat lol 😭
Fck his stupid birthday he finally takes a deserved L after winning every time with this broken ass character 😡😡🤬
It was his birthday?? LMAOOO
Riddles gotta find a new character for steve
As a Terry main, power wave is so important in this matchup, it’s the only thing Terry has that isn’t committal that stops Steve from mining if he’s on the ground.
Steve can punish nearly everything else Terry does.
Power wave doesnt break anything stronger than dirt, and it gives steve a ton of time to mine. Would not recommend this strat to anyone fighting a good steve
@@Legend-jl1ls this strat is extremely effective, as I never said it was good against blocks, just while Steve mines. Which is often.
Steve doesn’t always block with blocks, most times the strat steve uses is simply running away to ledge in order to mine. In these scenarios, power wave, the slow variant, forces a jump or shield, both of which can be punished through proper “habit reading”
I’m correct in my guide. You’re speaking of an entirely different interaction, while valid, isn’t what I was on about.
@@calivali2876 and i said against good steves, who will 100% use blocks to get diamond against you if you start power waving to pressure. Bad steves will do what you said lol
If you said crack shoot i would be inclined to agree somewhat, since it goes over one block. But it doesnt sound like you know that, probably a lack of mu experience. And an L shaped wall blocks crack shoot anyways, and will not break on anything stronger than dirt.
@@calivali2876 let my steve destroy your terry and we'l go from there lol
Gonna have to agree with the legend 27 here, as a terry enthusiast and steve-vod connoisseur
Salt_two avenging his ancestor Salt_one.
1st game was definitely one of the best match
Holy cow, Ddee is finally on stage and playing on the tournament? Let's go kid! Still, Riddles is probably my favorite person to watch, but any fcg fighter sucks against Steve.
Fuck yesssss! Good job Ddee. Been following your journey since Samsora. Hope you continue to thrive and do well in the smash community.
I wonder if riddles practices the matchups he loses, I feel like he loses to the same characters every tourney
He's dramatically better vs Roy over time.
The problem with Steve is that even if you practice... the Steves all play very different. Rockman plays different from Jake who plays different from DDeity who plays different from Yonni.
@@shoutenry I feel like after game 3 riddles lost a bit of his cool and I think it got to his head
You can only get ready so much against certain MUs. All the MU knowledge in the world doesn’t negate that opponent character having tools that can easily bully your characters.
“Everyone has a plan until they get punched”
To Riddles credit he took the first game and if he managed to finish off the 2nd and prevented the Steve Robbery the momentum would have been on his side/the Steve player would start getting more frustrated/nervous to make more mistakes as we saw how he reacted losing 1st game
No way riddles gonna beat air camping 😂
It’s a bad matchup. You can only do so much lmao. He def is practicing the matchup.
This might be a matchup where riddles could potentially use Ryu
Word
But Ddee will just mine in the air where Ryu would barely reach him.
@@ryubayani1729 Ryu is way more mobile than kazuya and has a better projectile than both him and Terry so he can pressure a little more when Steve is mining.
@@diglettdigdig yeah but DDEE is a type of player that camping in the air.
@@ryubayani1729 yeah ok but did you even read what i wrote?
DDee camped for just over one minute of one game, and then played aggressive the rest of the set. I don’t get why everyone is upset with that?
People just don’t like Steve which is understandable what versatile and creative character it’s like fighting a kazuya where they have so many options and so many ways to combo and get damage off of it’s not DDee it’s Steve in all honesty
Because he played really obnoxiously. I’m glad he won, he deserved it, but most of the games it was just:
Mine, don’t approach, throw a Minecart, mine more, don’t approach, throw another Minecart, riddles approaches, jump anvil, ledgetrap or do a crazy combo, get a kill, don’t approach, don’t approach.
@@moonwatchereclipse5291 he’s the most precise Steve watch ur mouth
ngl that air camp against Kazuya was smart lol
Man these matches are insane
Can someone explain how do I follow these tournaments in real-time? I have no idea where or when they air. Is there a website everyone uses to follow the brackets etc? Like for Genesis I only found out through YT it was going on and only saw the final. I wish I could have followed it from earlier on and watch other matches
Twitter for updates on tourneys and twitch to watch them
Btw, it was riddles 19th birthday today
His gift? Steve
I think I'm the only person who likes watching/playing against Steve and hates playing against and watching Kazuya lol
Riddles beat Kola just to turn around and lose to Baby Kola lol😂
Perfect
Just like Baby Zombie
Finally a match with riddles in it that I actually liked instead of disliked!!!!
I get ppl like ddee cos he’s a prodigy but his Steve is lame af being totally honest
💯
yeah I agree, Steve is lame and this kid definitely knows how to put it at its limits
It is lame. Steve deserves the same respect as when a Sonic or Min Min comes out to play
or maybe people just need to learn the matchup and get better at the game
@@sondheimravel very very good point Einstein ah yes get better that will stop the camping from the opposition
The salt is pure in this comment section
I like watch this cuz honestly dislike kasuya is super op and this Steve is very unique how he camp lol interesting
Oh no riddles FINALLY FUCKING LOSES let’s all complain because we had to watch counter play to kazuya garbage… I’d do the same like nope not dealing with your lame tactics. Apply the same strategy with a narcissist just disengage and you win.
Your boy riddles got overconfident and it backfired get over it.
“STEVE! TERRY! STEVE! TERRY! STEVE! TERRY! STEVE! TERRY!”
“Steve isn’t lame”
Game 4:
Thats kazuyas fault
You want Dee to approach fgc Luigi?
Nobody:
This guy: 🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓
@@hi-mx8xk lots of people were saying it. What are you 12?
You wanted Steve to approach to get Stun-to death by kazuya right ? Cause that what happens when you approach Kazuya.
@9:51 Can a Steve main help explain what happened here? Ddee uses up diamond spade tool but has Gold in resources. Ddee goes to craft. Why does he craft Stone and not Gold tools? Isn’t the priority for crafting Diamond > Gold > Iron > Stone > Wood?
A gold bar has 4 fast minecart charges or = 1 set of gold tools. Ddee must have used a minecart so his tools didn't craft gold.
@@limetuul Thank you. You're right. I just tried in game. I assumed if playing Steve or playing against Steve, if the Gold bar was present, he would craft Gold. Playing 1 mine cart after Gold and some down airs to drain Iron, and Steve will craft Stone as highest available upgrade.
@Joshua Suh Gold does break easier though. You have that right.
So what happens is you need a full Gold Ignot to craft Gold weapons but gold is also used for Powered Rail Minecarts which he used one already so its no long a full ignot thus unable to craft gold weapons
liquid riddles fought every steve cant wait to see him fight Acola and kome someday
Bruh this set was FANTASTIC, both players were incredible and made it very entertaining
Game 4 exists*
(except riddles)
Love to see ddee out here taking dubs!
I'm very confused as to why Steve is loved and why Sonic is hated when it comes to players camping out thier opponents to win certain matchups. No hate, just genuinely curious if anyone could care to explain?
Nah, Steve is incredibly hated lmao. Both these characters have a ton of hate.
Steve is way more hype ngl tbh fr
Steve is way more hated
@@LoliPeeSlurper being hyper than Sonic isnt anything big... and in this case it doesn't mean anything because Steve is lame as hell anyway.
@@vick7868 🤓
Hungrybox and vikki were fire on commentary 👌
Wow ddee really nailed it to play as disgustingly as possible
Bruh, not even 15 comments and the Steve hate is real. Kinda funny ngl since Kazuya is just as bad as Steve in most regards and Terry is cool until you realized most of his confirms are maybe 4 inputs, but his GO! move confirms are pretty cool so he's not nearly as bad.
Kazuyas combos require a frame 2 input move and careful watching of DI. How in tf r they both as boring while one just runs away and the other gets in ur face
@@harvesterman5210 Yeah, learning input timings, after a Kazuya learns that one thing they just feel like they're mashing without thought, do you realize how many times I see most Kazuya's use that god-forsaken move in a single match. Never said Steve doesn't mash either, he does and it's fruitful since jab or macro-fair lead to f-air and b-air. Kazuya is just way harder to avoid and some things are almost too good, EWGF into up-smash is one lamest kill-confirms that kill at 80 with most characters.
“Kazuya just as bad”
Uh….what? When does Steve have
-Technical inputs with strict timing
- worst jump in game
- terrible recovery
- worst disadvantage state in game
- crap neutral
Talk about being a Steve fanboy without actually saying it lmao
“After a Kazuya learns that one thing”
Lmao. You literally don’t know anything about that character. Riddles from this tournament alone used different Kaz routes and they are not all EWGF focused. You do realize you also need to get the timing for this WR motion, platform combos, his sweep setups, etc.
If it was remotely as easy as you think then there would be a bunch of Kaz out of pools.
Yes Kazuya can kill early. Big whoop. So does the rest of the roster including Steve lol. There is more to a character value then how much damage they can do
@@mrharvy100 Ok ok, so half of those things you mentioned Steve literally has, he has a god awful jump, his neutral is better than Kazuya's but is still pretty bad, and ever heard of a NIL. You say I know nothing about Kazuya, but it sounds like you know nothing of Steve.
Riddles is an amazing player and I'm not ever going to discredit his or any other Kazuya main's efforts, nevertheless the character has fundamentally better tools in a lot of situations than most charcters. Like, half of his moves have invulnerability and are far safer than most while he only needs a few proper hits to connect to kill.
Riddles pilots Kazuya with a ton of finesse and is one of only two players I've seen that plays him this well. To an extent Steve is similar in many ways, there are only a handful of great Steve players and the average Steve player is a campy son of a bitch that never approaches and has no concept of neutral it feels like.
Steve is very technical as well though, his combo's aren't as guaranteed and are way easier to SDI out of, other than the basic Steve ladder, he trades consistent combo's for a slightly better disadvantage and a very nuanced recovery. You also have to realize though that Kazuya is a lot more explosive and while Steve could maybe do 70-80 percent on a combo with diamond. Kazuya has all that from the start, no build up, he has access to almost everything from the start while being heavy, suprisingly agile, can turn around instantly to make things hit when they wouldn't otherwise and can kill earlier than at least 2/3rds the cast consistently.
My original point to a completely different person was that Kazuya is really good and and there's no denying that, and that it is hypocritical that people hate on Steve for being "easy" while both characters have lame ways to play them that make this game not fun. I just didn't immediately point out Steve's issues, while noting that it's funny that people mald when a Steve wins and rejoice when he loses in an offline major.
The Chad DDEE waxed the Virgin riddles
💀
What did riddles do to you💀💀
15 years old... first major... Ddee is nuts
15
I think riddles played this completely wrong & got inpatient. Let him mine off stage or above, it doesn’t matter since he’ll eventually be forced to craft a weapon & fight up close.
Riddles was jumping too close & fighting near the ledges & that’s why he lost. Just camp middle of the stage & then fight.
Nigga wtf, letting Steve mine and get diamond is brain dead, Steve doesn’t need to get close to craft he can go into the corner build blocks and craft
HAHA RIDLE FINALLY LOSES IM SAVING THIS TO WATCH LATER PLAYLIST!!!!!😍🎉👏👏👏👏
Oh shit. Ddee finally in a offline major tourney (to my knowledge).
DD pulled a Quidd this tournament (gets seeded 32nd and just decides to play like a top 10 player).
Bro he made riddles switch to Kazuya Holy shit lol
*STEVE IS SUCH A CARRIED CHARACTER WTF*
So are Kazuya and Terry
WHAT IS THIS MATCH!!! I CAN'T STOP SCREAMING!!! xD LMAO
DDee makes me hate steve more
this 9 years boy knows how to play the kazuya match up better than kola lmao
Probably because Kola's play style is completely countered by Kazuya? Kola's rush down style is alot harder to adjust against a character who can kill you off a single hit
@@jiyu3027 he just realized that cant scrap in short distance against kazuya after losing two games and going for cloud, after losing to riddles kazuya in they last major match, hes just stubborn with his roy
He's NINE?!!!
@@stephorozco8911
He's like 15. Not 9
His character is more fitting to beat kazuya
Look me in the eyes and tell me Steve isn’t lame after that last game
And as soon as he approaches Kazuya touches him once and he dies. Every character should camp Kazuya idc
Dude you have to play lame against fucking Kazuya or you lose
@@juicystrawberry9351 100% facts
@@juicystrawberry9351 Ddee wouldn’t need to play like that against any other Kazuya. It’s literally just because it’s riddles, and riddles is good.
@@zacharyh5419 dude do you not fucking realize it’s because the other Kazuyas aren’t in his skill level so he can control them unlike Riddles whose so good he has to force this playstyle😐
This is definitely one of the sets that exists of all time.
Wut
@@roberthorry621 this set sucks
True
Always proud to see young black talent in the scene but maaaan why Steve lmao
I'm not even a huge smash fan but seeing this kid play in person made me the biggest Steve fan ever!!
Im curious as to why riddles didnt go to smashville or somewhere with bigger or higher playforms?
Cuz its his first time playing a good Steve. He doesnt know the matchup and that Town and City and Smashville are good counterpicks because those stages only offer mostly wood so Steve is underpowered
@@hwanniggles187 oh, I didn’t even know that it offers mostly wood haven’t played in quite a while.
He got over confident with his busted ass character and it backfired FINALLY 🙄
Two of my favorites! Why top8, finals next time guys!
素晴らしい戦い！
This was so hype
Man, I hate Steve so much lol He's like an even more toxic version of Samus
Cry more….steve is the most hype! Git gud
*Samus main here* fuck you *walks away*
@@Fpl8646 Just because I hate playing against a toxic campy character, doesn't mean I'm crying lol
@@SparklingHarmony lmao calling a character toxic tells me all i need to know. Cry inside more. Even if you had a 5 stock handicap in each game, you’d still go 0-2 in pools
@@Fpl8646 ur the type of guy to jump out of your seat every time a sonic does a spin dash
People are crying about steve being broken, when steve has a high skill ceiling.
13:53 enderman kills demon
I might need to take a look at the smash competitive scene again this kid is a monster. Damn. Also Enderman can be either top tier or mid at lowest
When you expect a big brain gameplay from a Steve main but you get a sonic 2.0 instead LMAO
Let’s goo little guy!
This set was insanely hype.
I love both of these players so much, such great play on both ends. Anyone hating on DDee needs to be quite because this kid is one of the most creative players out there, give him his credit. Just like we give Riddles his credit.
No, Steve still carry’s players
@@bsmccrunner4 ok, not ddee tho. So yes he deserves credit. Before you say “steve blah blah blah” this kid has been on the map before Steve even came out and was known as a prodigy. So don’t discredit him.
No, hes just spamming up tilt, 0 skill, im sorry, but no and i hope he doesnt win the tournament
@@bsmccrunner4 My guy every character carries their players
@@XFEINX lol, you sad and mad
Game 4 has to be one of the saddest matches I've seen in a while. Literally soul draining, nevertheless ggs to both DDee and Riddles.
Kazuya can kill you out of one interaction, DDee had to
@@iCollectCans Yeah, I know. It's just unfortunate that the optimal play style against Kazuya is, for the most part, to camp him.
@@ToastedGam Its more unfortunate to other characters that you have to camp Kazuya to win. And unfortunate to us as spectators because we recognize this and still hate camping.
@@gxstly Well yeah, it sucks for everyone involved. Kazuya has a somewhat linear playstyle that can snuff out how the other character wants to play. The other character then camps and that snuffs out how the Kazuya player wants to play. And no spectator wants to see camping since it's a playstyle that people generally dislike (me included). There's no winner in this situation.
its bs that all he needs is one combo to kill you, and that he is a heavy but has tech to make him as fast as a light
the commentary on this video is the best all i hear is “BOOOOOOOOOM”
That’s what riddles get for destroying Kola 💀 karma is real ladies and gentlemen
Being camped by Steve isn’t Karma. Kola’s problem is that he mashes all the time with Roy and with Roys speed and damage output he just swings and hopes it lands. Sorry that Kola just wasn’t good enough to beat Riddles and it took lame play to win. Or the Wifi special I like to call it.
@@comet5748 god forbid we see riddles actually struggle in a match oh no it’s the end of the world 🙄🙄
Two of my favorites
I can only say, that steve camping up there just seemed ridiculous
Ledge jump tournament winner in 2022
Watching most Steve players is about as fun a watching paint dry. Almost as bad as Sonic. Acola is the only one that is actually somewhat entertaining
EDIT: by no means am I shitting on the player. In fact props to him for beating Riddles, regardless of the matchup being in DDEE’s favor, beating Riddles is no easy feat and especially at such a young age (I just don’t like Steve gameplay)
Hype is objective
I would argue terry is just as lame with his jab jab into anything
@@Cycl0neZair yeah the part where he’s camping on a block and mining his anvil had me on the edge of my seat! I was sweating in anticipation!
@@JJ-xe6wd Terry isn’t my favorite either cause yeah I agree, it usually is like the same 3-4 combos I feel like. But Kazuya is one of the most fun characters to watch, so many possibilities with his combos
@@lokks2130 lmao Japanese bias? Nah I don’t like their meta. Too many annoying characters that aren’t as fun. Acola plays way more aggressively than this Steve
13:51 - SO SATISFYING
Great commentary/ Great match
Where did this kid come
From he’s good!
From a DLC fighter pass
Steve may be the lamest character in smash bros history but a 14 year old getting this far is fucking incredible
Props to the player, but his character is lame and rightfully will get criticized along with Sonic/MinMin
@@mrharvy100 idk to me, this just goes to show smash players aren't used to playing vs camping/lame play and then complain about it when interaction isnt happening.
@@mrharvy100 I guess you have a point my bad 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭🙄😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😞😞😞😞😞😞😞
@@stephorozco8911 It’s also pretty lame if you play Steve in only 1 way against every matchup. Steve only camps against kazuya, against others he goes for those crazy up air strings like we say with ddee against terry. Kazuya kills wayyyy to early, and every combo kazuya has ends in a smash or some kinda of kill confirm. So it’s more the kazuya pick to blame.
Players loving crying over camping.
Y'all ain't happy unless the game looks like both players have ADD.
You must get hyped whenever Sonic does spin Dash for the 20th time in the game.
@@mrharvy100 The game is what it is. Too many games for us to enjoy to waste emotional energy crying about camping.
If someone dislikes it that much either stop playing the game or counterpick. Those are your real options. Simple and both are valid courses of action.
@@tigerlegend87sf4 the stage list is so god awful. Most stages benefit zoners in ult
@@mrharvy100 I do.
I mean they complain but they would probably do the same if that was their only way to win the matchup. DDEE outplayed tf out of him tho
The fact that he is playing with a pro controller and not with the gamecube controller
hbox screaming is something else lol
Ddee the greatest of all time, if anyones talkin shit or bitching they don’t know how good this kid rly is
Steve plauer
@@spiky724 keep crying that Steve was playable before anyone you wanted
Lol I like HB as a commentator he hype as fuck
So many good up and coming steves lol, you got Acola, Yonni, DDee, Jake and they're all just making waves! Feels good to be an Alex main
Both of these players are super amazing at their craft but damn this is one of the least compelling sets to watch purely for character choice
Highly disagree
If you weren't hype by these set, then you're doped up on crack.
I wonder if this kid felt bad doing that to a man on his birthday
ddee is my hero
same