Honestly, I’ve always seen the joker as a necessity to any batman, even in a small role as this one. They’ve been so involved with eachother that it almost feels wrong to leave another out. But I understand why people want other villains, I personally want to see scarecrow or manbat!
I think every batman needs a joker but not every joker needs to be heath ledger. I would joke a joker like in the show gotham where he's threatening but fun
@@justindenney-hall5875... ManBat would be perfectly fine in this series. The movie should just start with the 1 already being known of by BatMan, and escalate after he stops 1, but attacks keep happening. Have him reply to Alfred that Croc probably doesn't knowingly have any involvement. "Waylon Jones isn't exactly a geneticist. These things would need a specialist."
@@justindenney-hall5875 Actually if we go and do a Man-Bat like in the arkham series then yeah that was a more grounded and darker Man-Bat. Who didn't want to do those things but his mind was affected by the DNA. Making him kill his own wife. But then again this is supposed to be a more realistic Gotham with villains who could be in real life. And the ventriloquist yeah i kinda wanna see him too.
They just need mark Hamill to get and shape a little get the best makeup artist makeup artist that money can buy a great writer and we will have the perfect joker and they won't need to make them again.
But i like tbe theory that the joker Isn't a person but an entity. The personification of the irrational and represents "everything Batman opposes " When the joker dies a new one is born
Could have accomplished the same thing with a few lines of dialogue, an old newspaper clipping, a Joker laugh in the background of the asylum, etc etc. *Sometimes less is more.*
If they do end up using this joker in the Matt Reeves films, I think it should be in the 3rd or possibly even 4th (if they make that many) film and serve as the finale villain of this particular series.
It would work at the 4th, I'll say is that the 2nd film where we have clayface (the golden age clayface), or Mr. Freeze to be as a main villain. So we focus on Bruce Wayne, where he tried to help Gotham to stop the flood for the last film. Where Bruce enter Wayne's Industries to be socialize with other people. And we might introduce Robin on the 2nd film. The 3 film is gonna be about Court of Owl where Batman can solve the mystery why Gotham is protected by the court, where Batman can figure the organization for the owl. It shows how Batman become a world greatest Detective and become a better Batman. The 4th film where the Joker take control the Asylum to create a lot chaos in Arkham, where The Batman journey to discover the historical details of Arkham Asylum after attending the riot in the building. Where all Batman viilains are attended to Asylum (Where that bring horror vibe for the 4th film). So here my ideas for Matt Reeves The Batman trilogy
I think it could be interesting (if this batman franchise is long enough) to see Battinson gradually progress over time into the dark Knight returns batman and have the joker be present through the franchise but never the main villain until the very end
I dont mind him i just want other villains to have the spotlight, so considering they already have history and reeves made this scene as batman visiting joker to get his insight on the riddler, i hope he stays like that in the sequels, batman just visits him to get his insight on villains hes facing currently
I’m glad that Joker scene in Matt Reeves ‘The Batman’ was excluded from the Final Cut. As it is it works great as a dark glimpse into the larger world at play.
Have to agree. Pattinson's Batman seemed FAR too inexperienced and immature to have dealt with the Joker (any iteration), and The Batman works best if you view it as his first interaction with a major villain (Gimp-Riddler) rather than thugs and mobsters. Yes, that doesn't account for the extra scene with Joker & Nashton, but considering Joker is never technically creditted that scene doesn't really matter.
I feel like DC is so scared. If they don’t put joker anywhere in a Batman movie people will be less interested?! The joker has to be involved in almost everything to the point that people are feeling like he’s being overused and they want other villains to have their shot now. It’s sad. 🙃
Wht tf r yall talking about lmao? Joker appeared in only one of the dark knight films. Leto was barely in any of those films. Nicholson died and wasn't in the other. Like genuinely did yalls brains get wipdd
I care more about including villains we haven’t seen given the justice of good writing and performances as opposed to not having joker. I think we shouldn’t have anything more than another hint for a movie or two but I’d be fine with joker again then as long as it’s something new but not as different/weird as Jared Leto’s.
I completely agree, I feel it was just thrown in there because Joker is usually batmans big bad and they wanna set him up but I don't know I'm glad it didn't make it into the final cut, though I do look forward to seeing him in the future
I don't. He's just some guy in makeup. He's never been interesting, and the fans obsession with him feels like a forced internet meme, like social media said Joker is the greatest villain ever therefore everyone has to pretend like he isn't unbearably dull.
@@jeux2322 He's literally just a cackling weirdo in makeup with no powers and no smarts. He's a thug who has been given King of Criminals status for no real reason.
I wouldn't mind if it became a minor trend to occasionally, maybe not all the time, have post credit scenes with more characters being put into arkham encountering the joker and building up to a potential break out where batman is put up against all the foes he put away.
They added him in a way I very much appreciate, it's more just to let us know he is already established in this universe and to show he has his personality and mentality that makes him so dangerous and a counter to Batman He's there but he's out, Batman "won" at that point an they had their time we didn't see, and now they can either leave it at that or have him come back later, very nice and I'm glad they held back so much.
The Joker was never disfigured in the comics. It's a huge distraction that even Nolan knew enough to tone down. His voice, and his design all feel wrong.
I love how he uses the Joker to gain more insight into other psychopaths. I hope they don't use the joker as a villain any time soon as it's been done so many times before. Using him as a tool to solve crimes is way cooler and really fits the aesthetic of the film.
I rolled my eyes when Joker was shoe horned in at the end. As much as I love the character, Batman has a huge rogues gallery. Give Joker a break! I also generally didn't like the design. They seem to always have to try one up the last version now making him more and more deformed or with silly tattoos etc.
yep. the scene is also incredibly heavy handed, taking way too much time to say, in substance, hey, the joker is gonna manipulate the riddler, which could have been handled in a couple lines back and forth rather than this elongated epilogue.
@@dhenderson1810 I liked the movie as it's own thing. Not a definitive Joker for me but still good as an alternate take. I think it would have actually been better without the Wayne stuff and connections with Batman.
This is probably the most realistic depiction of the joker we have ever seen since he fell in a vat of chemicals. It wouldn't just turn his skin white, it would severely deform him.
This scene should have been in the movie. It is well acted, well shot, it adds to the world-building, it provides an ever-needed Joker to any Batman, and it helps building-up the atmosphere around the gravity of the narrative, by showing a Batman in need, reaching out to his worst enemy.
All of those reasons feel very surface level and downright sabotage everything around it. It's following too much of the "rule of cool" which then make one cope and come up with reasons why it deserves to belong. But it breaks too many things, even if it's good on its own.
They did the right thing by leaving it out. It feels very fan servicey, and doesn't really feel like the moment was earned. Had there been a previous movie where we saw their first encounter it might have worked better, but as is it's just, "Hey everyone! Look! It's the Joker! Isn't this cool?!" Same thing with the scene towards the end of the movie. There was no need for it.
@@ChuckM0503 how many years would you need to wait until you had to "earn" a good Joker scene? In the comics, stuff like this happens all the time. Some iconic villains pop up on ocasion in a Hannibal Lecter scenario.
No.. it was left out because it isn’t canonical. It’s just showcasing what he would have looked like if he was in it. I hope he doesn’t get too involved if ever in the Batman’s universe
There really was no need for him and he could’ve been replaced by another villain like Calendar Man (homage to Arkham City). I’m truly just Jokered out and would’ve just preferred if he was saved for like the third movie or just not even shown at all but possibly teased.
The nuance behind the joker and his two short scenes was brilliant actually. And so subtle I understand why it went over a lot of heads. Im rather excited for it. Joaquin was an impressive acting performance, but for me, he was not the joker. He played a guy who's the opposite of a mastermind, but rather hopelessly caught up in the currents of society and life; a victim. But matt's joker, to see him in horribly constant physical pain, and yet, doesn't show an ounce of any hurt, but instead laughs and jokes and is actually a mockery of virtue/goodness and the noble life. The friendly way he talks about anniversaries and gestures of loves, how he teases and trolls. A lot closer to mark hamills joker from the animated series(my favorite interpretation), and i love it. This joker knows the true depth of suffering and has acquired wisdom and knowledge from it; and uses to to shed light on the psyches of others and to pull on their strings to paint the world with his dark enlightenment, his gnosis. I cant wait and hope to see more
lol the "nuances." It wasn’t all that. He looked like a melted candle who was doing a JTT impression. It added nothing, and probably didn’t even test well which is why it was cut. I’ve seen this role done before and so much better. It would be better if they didn’t use him.
I actually really liked the scene and would have been fine with it being included in the film. I don't want a movie with him as the villain, but it would actually be kinda refreshing to see a different dynamic of the Joker and Batman's relationship with one another. It's really nice to see a Batman movie where him and Joker just talk, there's no fighting, no schemes, or plots...just mind games. Personally, I want Zsaz to be the next villain. I really think he would fit perfectly in Reeves' Batman. The guy has so much potential to rival even Joker in popularity, they just need to do it right, and not pull punches. I wouldn't even mind Calendar Man. It's the perfect time to let some of Batman's non super powered villains take center stage.
I give you Arkham Joker, main villain of Asylum, somehow the main villain of City (should've been Hugo Strange or Ra's), despite Origins giving us Black Mask, it's revealed to be Joker, and Knight had 5 Jokers (including Batman) and even had ghost Joker. Both Mark Hamil and Troy Baker nailed the performances, but we didn't need Joker
@@varisrevolver4061 Rocksteady could've been handed a fantastic Batman story without Joker and they'd still put Joker in it for no reason. Considering how badly they butchered Jason Todd and Scarecrow, I guess it makes sense why they relied on Joker so much.
@@fynnthefox9078 Eh Can't we just get a trilogy without The Joker? It's not like Batman has bad villains, it's the opposite! Let others take the spotlight.
Personally I think Joker being here is just a set up for the solo Arkham series and not the set up for the second one, though I could see Joker being the villain of the third or fourth movie
I wish Barry Keoghan's Joker had more tattoos. Honestly he _really_ should've had *Damaged* tattooed on his forehead. That way I know for sure that he's morbin'
I really like this version of joker 🤷🏻♂️ I agree we don’t need another one but he was cool to see and it didn’t take anything away from the movie and it’s cool to know other villains exist in this world
It wasn't world building. It was testing the water to see audience reactions. If it was world building you could have done it so many other and better ways. The fact that it was out of focus and blurry made it very clear that if this was hated they had the artistic ability to retcon it easily.
Also, Warner brothers seem to be reusing the same Batman villains over and over again. It was OK the first time around when Nolan did it with The Dark Knight. but even with The Dark Knight Rises it just got the old Cat woman and Bane again. I mean, Batman has over 70+ villains in his roster. When are we going to see Dr Hugo Strange, Hush or Deathstroke.
I love Joker, but I would rather for him to be not included in a story especially if he doesn't have a role in the story that can be of use to elevate it. Sure, the fanservice is great as a Joker fan, but it would be more amazing if that story actually focuses that he is the main antagonist rather than taking the spotlight away from the other batman villains in a movie that they are supposedly the main antagonist of. Just let the other villains take the center stage cause I know that the fans of other villains have been waiting for these characters to be played in the big screen (properly) as the main antagonist. If they really want Joker to be in that world, maybe just throw a line that references him, have an easter egg about him or do it like how the long halloween did where he's just a nuissance or a simple obstacle , cause he's not doing a big thing or actively fighting batman everytime. Sometimes he is just chilling in Arkham or nowhere to be found in Gotham so it's definitely fine if the movie doesn't have a Joker. Also, if they really want to include him, it better have a good reason cause ngl, it kind a sucks that he's put in there just because he is popular. Example, Suicide Squad. That one is a mess. (I did unironically enjoy it but still like why). If they're gonna use that popularity then they better use it right for the story. I love the character, but I love a good story so much more. I say all of this as a fan of the Joker and as someone who also wants the wishes of the fans of the other batman villains to be fulfilled.
I would like to see other Batman villains, but the actor who plays this Joker is named Barry Keoghan. He was in a film called "The Killing of a Sacred Deer". It's the only film i ever regret watching because it opens with footage of a real heart surgery, i know that sounds dumb but i have PTSD (clinically diagnosed) from my 2nd heart surgery when i was 16. It is a wonderful film though, so if you don't have PTSD from open heart surgery then go watch it! Haha. It really is a great arthouse film though, no joke
@@Fidel.Costco Barry is Irish?! I had no idea just because he plays an American in killing of a sacred deer. He'll be a great joker, just as much as Paul Dano makes the perfect Riddler. Thanks dude. ✌️&❤️ from Tempe, AZ
As much as I love the actor they chose. I think he is too young to be Joker. He looks more like when Tim Drake was turned into Joker in the Batman Beyond animated movie.
I don’t mind all the jokers . It’s just like the comics . Lots of different jokers . The more the better . His character is awesome and it’s cool to see different actors play him
I loved this version of the Joker. It added a lived in feel to Gotham, knowing that the Joker has been out there. His vile look is opposite to his smooth and smart take on what the riddler is putting the bat through. His look is perfect . His acting was outstanding. I hope we get a whole sequel featuring this Joker, a long with other villians.
It even adds a sense of mystery as Bruce consults him on a case about a serial killer meaning that in this world instead of being a terrorist Joker likely was just a serial murderer and seeing how much Bruce feels not just cold but kinda worried by him makes me feel this was the first case to get under Batman's skin.
It was an amazing movie. As a tribute to the TV show, he used all the main villians from Batman '66. Penguin, Riddler, Catwoman and Joker. Nothing wrong with Joker in this flick.
I got really sad when Joker showed up in the end. Couldn't the movie be a great Batman story without Joker in it? At least they removed that 5 minute scene of him and Batman at the Asylum, since it added nothing to the main plot.
I don't want to see another joker unless William Defoe is playing him. There's a video here in TH-cam where they recreated the scene with Defoe's ai generated voice and it was just perfect
I absolutely love this deleted scene. I personally wish it was left in. It's a fantastic scene that builds back story and shows how much the Joker can get inside Batmans head. It's far better than the final scene where it felt tacked on.
He's absolutely not shoehorn in. Dude isn't even in the movie and you only know about it of you looked it up. Which means specifically you did in fact ask for it
I always watch the fanedit The Batman the complete riddle, which puts the interrogation back into the film along with with the penguin and selina scene. I get it being removed for the initial release but now I know who Riddler is I love watching it with this scene intact. I have a feeling he'll be the lead in the upcoming Aekahm series before playing a role in The Batman part 3
My favorite villains are Mr.Freeze and Riddler. MrFreeze is such a tragic yet haunting character full of rich story and deep characterization, then you realize he’s not a villain he’s just a broken man, but what I like is you wouldn’t expect this type of deep characterization from a talking fridge and Riddler even before the movie I’ve always thought he had massive potential, the animated Batman show from 04’ made me realize this. Riddler can Batman’s greatest foe and if done right can be an even more menacing villain than Joker, but most writers just make him the butt of the joke or an annoyance. I also like the idea of joker being like Lecter and Starling. Where Batman visits the Joker to kinda get in the mind of psycho and gather info from him. I love Joker as much as the next guy, but Batman has some of the best deepest and most interesting villains in all fiction. Batman has so many other villains Scarecrow, Mad Hatter, Calendar man, Professor Pyg, Dollmaker, Zsasz, and those are like worst kind of Psycho. Then you have the monsters, killer Croc, Clayface, Man-bat, then mobsters Two-face, Falcone, Maroni, black mask, Penguin. then you got the evil scientists type Dr.Stranger, The Thinker, Mr.Freeze, then after the mercs/assassins death stoke, Rhas and Talia, Bane, shiva, Dead Shot, Bronze tiger. So many fucking villains and they’re all good. Like Joker is not the only Lilian Batman has and I feel like writers feel they need to include Joker somewhere but many of his villains can carry their own and if done well enough Batman doesn’t need a villain to have a great story.
They should have let this be just the riddlers movie. It still is of course because he was amazing but throwing in joker felt like it took just a little bit away from the great portrayal of the Riddler that we got
Not gonna lie, I actually enjoyed the deleted scene with Batman and Joker because it reminded me of Red Dragon... It gave me serious Hannibal Lecter / Will Graham vibes and I'm all for that!💯💯 Totally appreciate the MANHUNTER reference! Not many people know of that movie!
That was the idea Matt Reeves was going for; I too really loved that! The scene by itself almost works as a short movie I think. It also establishes the relationship between Batman and the Joker perfectly.
Ever since seeing the scenes for the first time I've been hoping that what we were seeing is Clayface doing a Joker impersonation. I think Barry K is a great actor, but the excessive use of the prosthetics would hinder any performer. So (in my mind) this could be an interesting way to set up Clayface as the next big bad, while saving Barry's Joker for the end of the movie and having him take out Clayface for disrespecting him. I know this won't happen... But I want more of the Rogue's Gallery to appear before we get to Mr. J!!
IMO, there's no reason that a scene that ends up on the cutting room floor can't also be canon. In other words, if a scene is cut for the betterment of the film (improve pacing, story, etc.), then there is little reason that that particular scene, once acknowledged & scrutinized, cannot be internalized by viewers into the story/universe (via commentary, director's cut, fan content such as this, etc., - the avenues by which the theatrically unseen & unspoken become accepted).
I think the cut out Joker scene could work but kinda like this: The first part stays the same but before the Joker says Riddlers motives we see the scenes from the original movie were we saw his motives with Joker narrorating over it saying Riddlers motives. After that we go back to Joker and Batman going back to that scene after Joker is done with Riddler and starts talking about Batman. Then we can cut out the scenes from the original movie with his motives bc we just saw them. It gives Joker a part to play in the grand sheme of things while also making the movie a little shorter. By showing scenes earlier.
Personally, I liked Joker’s small but present involvement in the story. When I saw the whole movie I left the theater excited. I think that the whole Batman and Joker situation is key to Gotham’s story as a whole, doesn’t matter who creates a new movie or any other source of entertainment related to Batman. I specially liked this one because it says too much by doing less. This Joker is just there, he was captured by Batman, sure but after 1 year of their last encounter Joker is finally gathering tools to help him on his scheme (whatever that may be). He is a snake, waiting in his cave (Arkham) to have his most ideal time to strike. And now that The Batman 2 is in development my expectation is that maybe he is still not going to be relevant to the story but maybe he’ll have his plan in motion for maybe the third film but only Reeves knows what to do and I have faith that he’ll do a great job
Next villian should be croc. Really play into a cannibal freak that batman has to solve whos eating ppl then to need skill to combat an overpowering enemy. The setting can be dark clostrrphobic sewer drains
ok just because you're burned out doesn't excuse you saying that there are 'more interesting villains' since batman and joker are made for each other and has been like that since the joker was introduced but of course... be delusional
@@godzillazfriction Scarecrow also uses fear to fight his enemies Harvey Dent is his duality ManBat is just reverse of Batman but physical Riddler is his intlelect Catman is basically batman but in a wolverine costume Like generally Batman villains just represent some particular trait of Batman's character and there's a lot of them. Using a villain that is just reverse batman is tiresome. Batman has more villains that deserve the spotlight more than The Joker. And it's not just me and original commenter look at the arhkam origins and knights critisisms, majority of the fanbase is tired of the clown price of crime. Just because he's the arch enemy doesn't mean he needs to be in everything.
@@kendi5391 how about false face, bookworm, Marsha queen of diamonds, how about minstrel, louie the lilac, prometheus, mothman.... what do you think about those?
I feel like we've had enough "gross" and "greasy" versions of the joker. I wish we went back to the more showman version who wasn't disfigured. Obviously there can be villains with disfigurements if done well, but it always seems like when it comes to the Joker, it's just an element to make him creepy. As is, I hate the design but I love the scene itself and the acting. If he was closer in appearance to the addition clip with just the skin change and lips, then I would probably like it better.
I love this Joker, even if I agree there are a million Jokers lately. Nothing tops Monaghan for me, but with Gotham ended, I’m always open to another great Clown Prince. Joker meeting Riddler in this movie reminded me of Jerome meeting Penguin in Arkham. I’d say if I had to pick between Keoghan’s two scenes to remain in the final cut, I’d keep the interrogation scene!
This is a great example of how much people now a days don’t understand the concept of the joker, he looks like a silly clown because he’s the opposite of Batman, the villainous looking hero. It’s as simple as that, but nooooooo, we gotta ham fist in that “be disturbed” energy instead of letting the horror of the joker play out, a kind smile that hides fangs beats blatantly evil every time. DC has done this better in the past, what happened? 😢
Honestly the best way to incorporate this joker is have Batman catch him doing small crimes throughout the movies but the last movie he’s in have a bigger thorough crime similar to the killing joke which like the Matt reeves film pushes Batman to his limit
One thing I’m really hoping for in terms of this version of the character and the relationship this Joker has with Batman is that Batman is actually scared of him. One of my all time favourite dialogues involving Batman and Joker is how in Arkham Origins in the Gotham Royal Hotel Alfred asks Bruce if he’s ok and Bruce says that he’s dealt with psychopaths and monsters before but Joker is different and he seems genuinely uneasy with him and what his capable of. This is just me but I feel like with other interpretations of the Batman/Joker relationship (whether it be Keaton/Nicholson, Bale/Ledger, Affleck/Leto, even Conroy/Hamill) that Batman has either overwhelming anger for Joker, or he treats Joker like an inconvenience. I’d love for maybe this relationship to be how Joker has Batman’s full and undivided attention purely because of how afraid of Batman is of Joker and what he’s capable of.
the main reason they didn't add it into the actual movie was because WB was debating whether Joker and The Batman would share the same universe or not. Specially because Joker was a massive success. Once the time came to release it for streaming or dvd (people outside the USA and Europe do still buy physical copies) they had reached the conclusion that universes were separate. Also the fact Robert Pattinson was a pain to work with, Matt Reaves has even stated that he is not keen on working with him again. So basically The Batman is currently on limbo. Meaning WB's plan for a Dark Universe had to be re-written. Now its Joker's Universe the one that will most likely set up the Dark Universe. With Harley Quinn and even Two-Face (or Harvey Dent at least) confirmed. All that's missing will be the New Batman.
This joker reminds me of the elephant man movie its make up that was done to his face and hands of John merrick played John hurt on the real life story from the 19th century who was born that way and died who lost his mother and take in by a doctor
The biggest issue with this particular joker in my honest opinion, is that what else could the joker do that riddle already hasant? Riddler already took Gotham from Batman, he took away the man that possibly got his father killed and ripped the chance of Justice from him, jokers main gimmic is so prove that anyone can have 1 bad day and they can become just as bad as him, but the riddler kinda did that?
I think this has the potential to be the most comic accurate version of the character we've seen in a live action adaptation. But like you said, we need to see more before that can be confirmed.
agreed, this is the most accurate version cause he came off as demented and monstrous and that is what joker should be. if he is likable, or 'cool' then they did something wrong.
They had a pretty great scene with this new Joker that was cut and should have been in the movie his responses and reactions made him sound like a former law enforcement officer which would be a great change for a Joker who knows he may even be a former Detective which would make his interactions with the Batman the most unique version of the Joker so far.
The joker is an ICON, he’s always a good choice to be in any Batman film…but I wish they’d rethink always making him increasingly more grotesque with each appearance. I want to be able to look at the characters without throwing up in my mouth
Had I known ahead of time I was going to be watching a psychological drama rather than the action-comedy we’ve grown to expect with superhero movies, I would’ve actually liked it the first time I watched it. After the second more expectation-free viewing, I enjoyed what it was but still struggled with the way it was edited or pieced together. Oddly, my initial thought on Pattinson playing The Bat was, “Umm, really…?”, but the dude impressed me. As jaded as I am with damn near everything, that’s saying something. Lol
I think it was needed though so they build them up together so when they finally interact in a more high stakes scenario it makes it all more intriguing
I think batman will just always have the joker in it. He's such a famous villain they made a movie just for him, without the batman, and it worked! So I think every director who takes on these batman projects is going to feel some pressure to have joker somewhere in their universe. Personally I thought the way they went about it was pretty good in this film. I agree theres better characters we could focus on, that I'd love to see in this darker set universe (like man bat, or scarecrow I think would be interesting to see in these films), but I also wouldn't mind a movie where he was the main villain
Honestly I liked the idea that the Joker was already established in this universe but had been since incarcerated after what was presumably his first fairly minor (by Joker standards anyway), crime spree, the significance of which Batman doesn’t yet understand because nobody knows yet that the joker is nothing of not a repeat offender _and_ an escape artist . . . I found it to be refreshing ‘cos it means Joker is still potentially the most significant villain in Gotham but neither because he’s the first villain that the franchise or even the Batman himself cuts his teeth on, nor are we really ‘building up’ to Joker as a ‘final boss’-styled showdown. He’s just an omnipresent threat throughout, which is exactly what he should be.
Honestly, I’ve always seen the joker as a necessity to any batman, even in a small role as this one. They’ve been so involved with eachother that it almost feels wrong to leave another out. But I understand why people want other villains, I personally want to see scarecrow or manbat!
I think every batman needs a joker but not every joker needs to be heath ledger. I would joke a joker like in the show gotham where he's threatening but fun
@@justindenney-hall5875... ManBat would be perfectly fine in this series. The movie should just start with the 1 already being known of by BatMan, and escalate after he stops 1, but attacks keep happening. Have him reply to Alfred that Croc probably doesn't knowingly have any involvement. "Waylon Jones isn't exactly a geneticist. These things would need a specialist."
@@justindenney-hall5875 Actually if we go and do a Man-Bat like in the arkham series then yeah that was a more grounded and darker Man-Bat. Who didn't want to do those things but his mind was affected by the DNA. Making him kill his own wife. But then again this is supposed to be a more realistic Gotham with villains who could be in real life. And the ventriloquist yeah i kinda wanna see him too.
They just need mark Hamill to get and shape a little get the best makeup artist makeup artist that money can buy a great writer and we will have the perfect joker and they won't need to make them again.
But i like tbe theory that the joker Isn't a person but an entity. The personification of the irrational and represents "everything Batman opposes " When the joker dies a new one is born
I think Joker's appearance in "The Batman" was merely to let us know he exists in this interpretation.
He's now established.
Yeah that's what he said on the video.
@@sic6664 Yup.
Could have accomplished the same thing with a few lines of dialogue, an old newspaper clipping, a Joker laugh in the background of the asylum, etc etc.
*Sometimes less is more.*
@@OpinionParade Yup.
@@OpinionParade or like with a joker card? XD maybe they should had watched batman beigns 😂
If they do end up using this joker in the Matt Reeves films, I think it should be in the 3rd or possibly even 4th (if they make that many) film and serve as the finale villain of this particular series.
It would work as the end since this is a early batman
I think he wanted to make a trilogy
It would work at the 4th, I'll say is that the 2nd film where we have clayface (the golden age clayface), or Mr. Freeze to be as a main villain. So we focus on Bruce Wayne, where he tried to help Gotham to stop the flood for the last film. Where Bruce enter Wayne's Industries to be socialize with other people. And we might introduce Robin on the 2nd film. The 3 film is gonna be about Court of Owl where Batman can solve the mystery why Gotham is protected by the court, where Batman can figure the organization for the owl. It shows how Batman become a world greatest Detective and become a better Batman. The 4th film where the Joker take control the Asylum to create a lot chaos in Arkham, where The Batman journey to discover the historical details of Arkham Asylum after attending the riot in the building. Where all Batman viilains are attended to Asylum (Where that bring horror vibe for the 4th film). So here my ideas for Matt Reeves The Batman trilogy
I think it could be interesting (if this batman franchise is long enough) to see Battinson gradually progress over time into the dark Knight returns batman and have the joker be present through the franchise but never the main villain until the very end
They might make 5 i think. It might of been announced.
I dont mind him i just want other villains to have the spotlight, so considering they already have history and reeves made this scene as batman visiting joker to get his insight on the riddler, i hope he stays like that in the sequels, batman just visits him to get his insight on villains hes facing currently
Kinda like turning The Joker into robin in a way?
@@NEEDbaconMore like Silence of the Lambs
@@shannoncurry2037 True, but it's funnier to imagine Joker in the yellow undies and red tunic just standing next to batman completely normal like.
Every hero needs a "Guy In the Chair".
wow that’s actually pretty good of an idea
I’m glad that Joker scene in Matt Reeves ‘The Batman’ was excluded from the Final Cut. As it is it works great as a dark glimpse into the larger world at play.
This. I appreciate Reeves or whoever making that choice bc it feels intentional and brilliant
He talked to riddler
@@Avatarzillus2000 op literally referred to this cut "joker scene", not the end scene with riddler and him talking. Get better reading comprehension
Have to agree. Pattinson's Batman seemed FAR too inexperienced and immature to have dealt with the Joker (any iteration), and The Batman works best if you view it as his first interaction with a major villain (Gimp-Riddler) rather than thugs and mobsters. Yes, that doesn't account for the extra scene with Joker & Nashton, but considering Joker is never technically creditted that scene doesn't really matter.
I feel like DC is so scared. If they don’t put joker anywhere in a Batman movie people will be less interested?! The joker has to be involved in almost everything to the point that people are feeling like he’s being overused and they want other villains to have their shot now. It’s sad. 🙃
They have gone a safe "MCU route" after BVS, but the box office failures is no match to ZSJL, as everyone saw.
Yeah a billion dollar company is "so scared". Who do you think you are?
Wht tf r yall talking about lmao? Joker appeared in only one of the dark knight films. Leto was barely in any of those films. Nicholson died and wasn't in the other. Like genuinely did yalls brains get wipdd
@@The80sWolf_but mcu doesn’t use the same villains
Yea but all their villain but one or two sucks@@ruminateog3889
We have the Batman. We have the Riddler. We have the Joker. Now give me a Kite Man movie
It's good, but I'm Jokered out.
I care more about including villains we haven’t seen given the justice of good writing and performances as opposed to not having joker. I think we shouldn’t have anything more than another hint for a movie or two but I’d be fine with joker again then as long as it’s something new but not as different/weird as Jared Leto’s.
I'm just comic book movied out. Especially batman. We could go for a good decade with no live action batman movies.
@@brandocalrissian3294we?
@@brandocalrissian3294I beg to differ but to each their own but I am glad that you're not the one making the decisions LMAO
@@brandocalrissian3294 nah that’s just a you problem, I and many others need more
I completely agree, I feel it was just thrown in there because Joker is usually batmans big bad and they wanna set him up but I don't know I'm glad it didn't make it into the final cut, though I do look forward to seeing him in the future
So we can say that you haven't been waiting for that
I don't. He's just some guy in makeup. He's never been interesting, and the fans obsession with him feels like a forced internet meme, like social media said Joker is the greatest villain ever therefore everyone has to pretend like he isn't unbearably dull.
@@JDoe-gf5oz joker is way more than just a man in makeup.
@@jeux2322 He's literally just a cackling weirdo in makeup with no powers and no smarts. He's a thug who has been given King of Criminals status for no real reason.
@@JDoe-gf5ozshut up
I wouldn't mind if it became a minor trend to occasionally, maybe not all the time, have post credit scenes with more characters being put into arkham encountering the joker and building up to a potential break out where batman is put up against all the foes he put away.
Yea. Would make the most sense with final movie in a trilogy or so where they all breakout with joker as the last obstacle
They added him in a way I very much appreciate, it's more just to let us know he is already established in this universe and to show he has his personality and mentality that makes him so dangerous and a counter to Batman
He's there but he's out, Batman "won" at that point an they had their time we didn't see, and now they can either leave it at that or have him come back later, very nice and I'm glad they held back so much.
I liked this Joker. I liked the fact that they leaned into the disfigurement. We'll see how well the character works when he's properly introduced.
The Joker was never disfigured in the comics. It's a huge distraction that even Nolan knew enough to tone down. His voice, and his design all feel wrong.
I’d like to see them utilize other Batman villains like Two-Face, Mr. Freeze, and Hush for example. They’ve done the Batman/Joker dynamic to death.
Even though I love the Joker and especially this version of him, I have to admit I'm Jokered out too 😂...
This is a SHIT joker
I love how he uses the Joker to gain more insight into other psychopaths. I hope they don't use the joker as a villain any time soon as it's been done so many times before. Using him as a tool to solve crimes is way cooler and really fits the aesthetic of the film.
I rolled my eyes when Joker was shoe horned in at the end. As much as I love the character, Batman has a huge rogues gallery. Give Joker a break! I also generally didn't like the design. They seem to always have to try one up the last version now making him more and more deformed or with silly tattoos etc.
What did you think of Joaquin Phoenix's version?
@@dhenderson1810 I think they're not trying to one up considering they're all unique and kinda different. Joaquin definitely shows that.
yep. the scene is also incredibly heavy handed, taking way too much time to say, in substance, hey, the joker is gonna manipulate the riddler, which could have been handled in a couple lines back and forth rather than this elongated epilogue.
@@dhenderson1810 I liked the movie as it's own thing. Not a definitive Joker for me but still good as an alternate take. I think it would have actually been better without the Wayne stuff and connections with Batman.
This is probably the most realistic depiction of the joker we have ever seen since he fell in a vat of chemicals. It wouldn't just turn his skin white, it would severely deform him.
This scene should have been in the movie. It is well acted, well shot, it adds to the world-building, it provides an ever-needed Joker to any Batman, and it helps building-up the atmosphere around the gravity of the narrative, by showing a Batman in need, reaching out to his worst enemy.
All of those reasons feel very surface level and downright sabotage everything around it.
It's following too much of the "rule of cool" which then make one cope and come up with reasons why it deserves to belong. But it breaks too many things, even if it's good on its own.
They did the right thing by leaving it out. It feels very fan servicey, and doesn't really feel like the moment was earned. Had there been a previous movie where we saw their first encounter it might have worked better, but as is it's just, "Hey everyone! Look! It's the Joker! Isn't this cool?!" Same thing with the scene towards the end of the movie. There was no need for it.
@@ChuckM0503 how many years would you need to wait until you had to "earn" a good Joker scene?
In the comics, stuff like this happens all the time. Some iconic villains pop up on ocasion in a Hannibal Lecter scenario.
No.. it was left out because it isn’t canonical. It’s just showcasing what he would have looked like if he was in it. I hope he doesn’t get too involved if ever in the Batman’s universe
Nah this scene woulda just been extra fat that needed to be cut. Barely adds anything and would have wrecked pacing of the fil.
There really was no need for him and he could’ve been replaced by another villain like Calendar Man (homage to Arkham City). I’m truly just Jokered out and would’ve just preferred if he was saved for like the third movie or just not even shown at all but possibly teased.
The nuance behind the joker and his two short scenes was brilliant actually. And so subtle I understand why it went over a lot of heads. Im rather excited for it. Joaquin was an impressive acting performance, but for me, he was not the joker. He played a guy who's the opposite of a mastermind, but rather hopelessly caught up in the currents of society and life; a victim. But matt's joker, to see him in horribly constant physical pain, and yet, doesn't show an ounce of any hurt, but instead laughs and jokes and is actually a mockery of virtue/goodness and the noble life. The friendly way he talks about anniversaries and gestures of loves, how he teases and trolls. A lot closer to mark hamills joker from the animated series(my favorite interpretation), and i love it. This joker knows the true depth of suffering and has acquired wisdom and knowledge from it; and uses to to shed light on the psyches of others and to pull on their strings to paint the world with his dark enlightenment, his gnosis. I cant wait and hope to see more
lol the "nuances." It wasn’t all that. He looked like a melted candle who was doing a JTT impression. It added nothing, and probably didn’t even test well which is why it was cut. I’ve seen this role done before and so much better.
It would be better if they didn’t use him.
This jokers voice reminds me of this kid that did some fan made joker blogs back in the ledger days.
I actually really liked the scene and would have been fine with it being included in the film. I don't want a movie with him as the villain, but it would actually be kinda refreshing to see a different dynamic of the Joker and Batman's relationship with one another. It's really nice to see a Batman movie where him and Joker just talk, there's no fighting, no schemes, or plots...just mind games.
Personally, I want Zsaz to be the next villain. I really think he would fit perfectly in Reeves' Batman. The guy has so much potential to rival even Joker in popularity, they just need to do it right, and not pull punches. I wouldn't even mind Calendar Man. It's the perfect time to let some of Batman's non super powered villains take center stage.
meh they pretty much did that in the dark knight. Them wanting the same thing but doing it in different ways. i think he has to be the villain
YES! Agreed on all points.
I think Hush would be an interesting villian in these movies.
Agreed
@@dhenderson1810he definitely fits the tone
There can never be too much Joker or Batman content; if its done well. Big if.
Yeah but bats has hundreds of other villains thst deserve the opportunity
I give you Arkham Joker, main villain of Asylum, somehow the main villain of City (should've been Hugo Strange or Ra's), despite Origins giving us Black Mask, it's revealed to be Joker, and Knight had 5 Jokers (including Batman) and even had ghost Joker. Both Mark Hamil and Troy Baker nailed the performances, but we didn't need Joker
@@varisrevolver4061 Rocksteady could've been handed a fantastic Batman story without Joker and they'd still put Joker in it for no reason. Considering how badly they butchered Jason Todd and Scarecrow, I guess it makes sense why they relied on Joker so much.
And this is why we get the same shit over and over
@@madddoggnogood1491yea and having a joker cameo or as a side villian won't take away to much from other villains.
I think it's very possible that the 3rd film will feature Joker as a main antagonist.
Oh no
Have him as the final boss.
Burtonverse: First Boss
Nolanverse: Middle Boss
Reevesverse: Final Boss
@@fynnthefox9078 Eh
Can't we just get a trilogy without The Joker? It's not like Batman has bad villains, it's the opposite! Let others take the spotlight.
Wow, are you Nostradamus?
What a prediction!
When I saw it, my first reaction was "that guy is Joker? That's terrible. He looks terrible. "
i respect that opinion but i personally liked how he actually looked like he took a dunk in acid.
@@juancabardo21He looked like a melting candle, or the toxic avenger. And that voice, I’ll now never not hear Jonathan Taylor Thomas XD
Personally I think Joker being here is just a set up for the solo Arkham series and not the set up for the second one, though I could see Joker being the villain of the third or fourth movie
I wish Barry Keoghan's Joker had more tattoos. Honestly he _really_ should've had *Damaged* tattooed on his forehead. That way I know for sure that he's morbin'
ITS JOKIN TIME
@@Whotfiswiz *”HAVE SEX”*
*Bruce Wayne does Milo dance
I really like this version of joker 🤷🏻♂️ I agree we don’t need another one but he was cool to see and it didn’t take anything away from the movie and it’s cool to know other villains exist in this world
I want "Joker" and "The Batman" to be crossover movies and they use Joaquin Phoenix's version.
It wasn't world building. It was testing the water to see audience reactions. If it was world building you could have done it so many other and better ways. The fact that it was out of focus and blurry made it very clear that if this was hated they had the artistic ability to retcon it easily.
Yeah, this performance was really good. I may not have asked for it, but hot damn did I enjoy it
Very overrated. This will not age well.
Also, Warner brothers seem to be reusing the same Batman villains over and over again.
It was OK the first time around when Nolan did it with The Dark Knight. but even with The Dark Knight Rises it just got the old Cat woman and Bane again.
I mean, Batman has over 70+ villains in his roster.
When are we going to see Dr Hugo Strange, Hush or Deathstroke.
I love Joker, but I would rather for him to be not included in a story especially if he doesn't have a role in the story that can be of use to elevate it. Sure, the fanservice is great as a Joker fan, but it would be more amazing if that story actually focuses that he is the main antagonist rather than taking the spotlight away from the other batman villains in a movie that they are supposedly the main antagonist of. Just let the other villains take the center stage cause I know that the fans of other villains have been waiting for these characters to be played in the big screen (properly) as the main antagonist. If they really want Joker to be in that world, maybe just throw a line that references him, have an easter egg about him or do it like how the long halloween did where he's just a nuissance or a simple obstacle , cause he's not doing a big thing or actively fighting batman everytime. Sometimes he is just chilling in Arkham or nowhere to be found in Gotham so it's definitely fine if the movie doesn't have a Joker. Also, if they really want to include him, it better have a good reason cause ngl, it kind a sucks that he's put in there just because he is popular. Example, Suicide Squad. That one is a mess. (I did unironically enjoy it but still like why). If they're gonna use that popularity then they better use it right for the story. I love the character, but I love a good story so much more. I say all of this as a fan of the Joker and as someone who also wants the wishes of the fans of the other batman villains to be fulfilled.
i think that the “deleted” joker scene was filmed with the full intention that it was never going to be apart of the movie
He's like if Bubble Boy had a baby with heath ledger's joker.
😂😂😂
This Joker looks like Alfred E. Neumann from Mad Magazine. Go ahead, do a side-by-side comparison and tell me I'm wrong. 😂
what, me compare?
I am so glad to see manhunter get a mention. What a terrific movie 😊
I would like to see other Batman villains, but the actor who plays this Joker is named Barry Keoghan. He was in a film called "The Killing of a Sacred Deer". It's the only film i ever regret watching because it opens with footage of a real heart surgery, i know that sounds dumb but i have PTSD (clinically diagnosed) from my 2nd heart surgery when i was 16. It is a wonderful film though, so if you don't have PTSD from open heart surgery then go watch it! Haha. It really is a great arthouse film though, no joke
@@Fidel.Costco Barry is Irish?! I had no idea just because he plays an American in killing of a sacred deer. He'll be a great joker, just as much as Paul Dano makes the perfect Riddler. Thanks dude. ✌️&❤️ from Tempe, AZ
As much as I love the actor they chose. I think he is too young to be Joker. He looks more like when Tim Drake was turned into Joker in the Batman Beyond animated movie.
I don’t mind all the jokers . It’s just like the comics . Lots of different jokers . The more the better . His character is awesome and it’s cool to see different actors play him
I loved this version of the Joker. It added a lived in feel to Gotham, knowing that the Joker has been out there. His vile look is opposite to his smooth and smart take on what the riddler is putting the bat through. His look is perfect . His acting was outstanding. I hope we get a whole sequel featuring this Joker, a long with other villians.
It even adds a sense of mystery as Bruce consults him on a case about a serial killer meaning that in this world instead of being a terrorist Joker likely was just a serial murderer and seeing how much Bruce feels not just cold but kinda worried by him makes me feel this was the first case to get under Batman's skin.
Ur a weirdo
Nah, it was awful. If you were a real fan you'd know why. He's supposed to be more.manic and like a clown
His voice is terrible. He sounds like a teenager pretending to be Heath Ledger's Joker.
@@juliox.1829 Ah the classic toxic "real fan" stance.
I like him, there are only so many ways we can view him and this, while shoehorned, was still a really cool way to approach the character
It was an amazing movie. As a tribute to the TV show, he used all the main villians from Batman '66. Penguin, Riddler, Catwoman and Joker. Nothing wrong with Joker in this flick.
I got really sad when Joker showed up in the end. Couldn't the movie be a great Batman story without Joker in it? At least they removed that 5 minute scene of him and Batman at the Asylum, since it added nothing to the main plot.
I just watched the Gotham knights finale and Two- Face is basically doing the Ledger voice. It's like people cant get away from it.
I don't want to see another joker unless William Defoe is playing him. There's a video here in TH-cam where they recreated the scene with Defoe's ai generated voice and it was just perfect
PENGUIN IT THE FUCK UP! 😜🤘
Joker here look's like Papa Roach's singer that had one too many visits to barber that gone bad.
I absolutely love this deleted scene. I personally wish it was left in.
It's a fantastic scene that builds back story and shows how much the Joker can get inside Batmans head.
It's far better than the final scene where it felt tacked on.
He's absolutely not shoehorn in. Dude isn't even in the movie and you only know about it of you looked it up. Which means specifically you did in fact ask for it
I'm just tired of the Joker being portrayed as more and more disfigured... next will be a paraplegic Joker with no face
This is a more realistic version of what happened when he fell into the chemicals
I want to see a good version of Mr. Freeze
I always watch the fanedit The Batman the complete riddle, which puts the interrogation back into the film along with with the penguin and selina scene. I get it being removed for the initial release but now I know who Riddler is I love watching it with this scene intact. I have a feeling he'll be the lead in the upcoming Aekahm series before playing a role in The Batman part 3
Literally chose a 14 year old to play the joker....I'm not even remotely kidding if they put him in the next one I won't even bother
My favorite villains are Mr.Freeze and Riddler. MrFreeze is such a tragic yet haunting character full of rich story and deep characterization, then you realize he’s not a villain he’s just a broken man, but what I like is you wouldn’t expect this type of deep characterization from a talking fridge and Riddler even before the movie I’ve always thought he had massive potential, the animated Batman show from 04’ made me realize this. Riddler can Batman’s greatest foe and if done right can be an even more menacing villain than Joker, but most writers just make him the butt of the joke or an annoyance.
I also like the idea of joker being like Lecter and Starling. Where Batman visits the Joker to kinda get in the mind of psycho and gather info from him. I love Joker as much as the next guy, but Batman has some of the best deepest and most interesting villains in all fiction. Batman has so many other villains Scarecrow, Mad Hatter, Calendar man, Professor Pyg, Dollmaker, Zsasz, and those are like worst kind of Psycho. Then you have the monsters, killer Croc, Clayface, Man-bat, then mobsters Two-face, Falcone, Maroni, black mask, Penguin. then you got the evil scientists type Dr.Stranger, The Thinker, Mr.Freeze, then after the mercs/assassins death stoke, Rhas and Talia, Bane, shiva, Dead Shot, Bronze tiger. So many fucking villains and they’re all good. Like Joker is not the only Lilian Batman has and I feel like writers feel they need to include Joker somewhere but many of his villains can carry their own and if done well enough Batman doesn’t need a villain to have a great story.
I do hope they’re building up to an Arkham Asylum: a Serious House on Serious Earth movie. I think Barry’s Joker would fit well there
They should have let this be just the riddlers movie. It still is of course because he was amazing but throwing in joker felt like it took just a little bit away from the great portrayal of the Riddler that we got
Your Batman Dedication is Admirable 🦇
I really hope Reeves makes more Batman movies or projects since he’s known to do only trilogies a lot.
I changed my mind about this joker. I can't wait.
It’s a scene that can easily be tweaked and reworked or straight up reused for a sequel.
If you hated heath ledgers joker wait to you get a load of him lol.
He didn’t hate Heath, jeez. Just didn’t think he was perfect:
These jokers are gonna feel meh until they step up and give William Dafoe the role
Not gonna lie, I actually enjoyed the deleted scene with Batman and Joker because it reminded me of Red Dragon... It gave me serious Hannibal Lecter / Will Graham vibes and I'm all for that!💯💯
Totally appreciate the MANHUNTER reference! Not many people know of that movie!
That was the idea Matt Reeves was going for; I too really loved that! The scene by itself almost works as a short movie I think. It also establishes the relationship between Batman and the Joker perfectly.
“If you are children, then piss off”😂😂
Ever since seeing the scenes for the first time I've been hoping that what we were seeing is Clayface doing a Joker impersonation. I think Barry K is a great actor, but the excessive use of the prosthetics would hinder any performer. So (in my mind) this could be an interesting way to set up Clayface as the next big bad, while saving Barry's Joker for the end of the movie and having him take out Clayface for disrespecting him. I know this won't happen... But I want more of the Rogue's Gallery to appear before we get to Mr. J!!
I think the look works cause its the chemicals could do to your skin/body
IMO, there's no reason that a scene that ends up on the cutting room floor can't also be canon. In other words, if a scene is cut for the betterment of the film (improve pacing, story, etc.), then there is little reason that that particular scene, once acknowledged & scrutinized, cannot be internalized by viewers into the story/universe (via commentary, director's cut, fan content such as this, etc., - the avenues by which the theatrically unseen & unspoken become accepted).
I totally asked for this.... I've been waiting for a monstrous and terrifying version of The joker like this for quite some time...
I think the cut out Joker scene could work but kinda like this:
The first part stays the same but before the Joker says Riddlers motives we see the scenes from the original movie were we saw his motives with Joker narrorating over it saying Riddlers motives. After that we go back to Joker and Batman going back to that scene after Joker is done with Riddler and starts talking about Batman. Then we can cut out the scenes from the original movie with his motives bc we just saw them. It gives Joker a part to play in the grand sheme of things while also making the movie a little shorter. By showing scenes earlier.
Personally, I liked Joker’s small but present involvement in the story. When I saw the whole movie I left the theater excited. I think that the whole Batman and Joker situation is key to Gotham’s story as a whole, doesn’t matter who creates a new movie or any other source of entertainment related to Batman. I specially liked this one because it says too much by doing less. This Joker is just there, he was captured by Batman, sure but after 1 year of their last encounter Joker is finally gathering tools to help him on his scheme (whatever that may be).
He is a snake, waiting in his cave (Arkham) to have his most ideal time to strike. And now that The Batman 2 is in development my expectation is that maybe he is still not going to be relevant to the story but maybe he’ll have his plan in motion for maybe the third film but only Reeves knows what to do and I have faith that he’ll do a great job
Next villian should be croc. Really play into a cannibal freak that batman has to solve whos eating ppl then to need skill to combat an overpowering enemy. The setting can be dark clostrrphobic sewer drains
Im so tired of the Joker, Batman has so many more interesting villains who deserve the spotlight but Jokers always shoved everywhere.
ok just because you're burned out doesn't excuse you saying that there are 'more interesting villains' since batman and joker are made for each other and has been like that since the joker was introduced but of course... be delusional
@@godzillazfriction all of Batman's villains reflect him in some way, Joker isnt the only one.
@@ubermaster134 tell me about it
@@godzillazfriction Scarecrow also uses fear to fight his enemies
Harvey Dent is his duality
ManBat is just reverse of Batman but physical
Riddler is his intlelect
Catman is basically batman but in a wolverine costume
Like generally Batman villains just represent some particular trait of Batman's character and there's a lot of them. Using a villain that is just reverse batman is tiresome. Batman has more villains that deserve the spotlight more than The Joker. And it's not just me and original commenter look at the arhkam origins and knights critisisms, majority of the fanbase is tired of the clown price of crime. Just because he's the arch enemy doesn't mean he needs to be in everything.
@@kendi5391 how about false face, bookworm, Marsha queen of diamonds, how about minstrel, louie the lilac, prometheus, mothman.... what do you think about those?
I feel like we've had enough "gross" and "greasy" versions of the joker. I wish we went back to the more showman version who wasn't disfigured. Obviously there can be villains with disfigurements if done well, but it always seems like when it comes to the Joker, it's just an element to make him creepy. As is, I hate the design but I love the scene itself and the acting. If he was closer in appearance to the addition clip with just the skin change and lips, then I would probably like it better.
I love this Joker, even if I agree there are a million Jokers lately. Nothing tops Monaghan for me, but with Gotham ended, I’m always open to another great Clown Prince. Joker meeting Riddler in this movie reminded me of Jerome meeting Penguin in Arkham. I’d say if I had to pick between Keoghan’s two scenes to remain in the final cut, I’d keep the interrogation scene!
This is a great example of how much people now a days don’t understand the concept of the joker, he looks like a silly clown because he’s the opposite of Batman, the villainous looking hero. It’s as simple as that, but nooooooo, we gotta ham fist in that “be disturbed” energy instead of letting the horror of the joker play out, a kind smile that hides fangs beats blatantly evil every time. DC has done this better in the past, what happened? 😢
Im definitely here for it. Need a new joker in matt reeves universe, and not a standalone
Nah I've had enough of the joker
Honestly the best way to incorporate this joker is have Batman catch him doing small crimes throughout the movies but the last movie he’s in have a bigger thorough crime similar to the killing joke which like the Matt reeves film pushes Batman to his limit
One thing I’m really hoping for in terms of this version of the character and the relationship this Joker has with Batman is that Batman is actually scared of him. One of my all time favourite dialogues involving Batman and Joker is how in Arkham Origins in the Gotham Royal Hotel Alfred asks Bruce if he’s ok and Bruce says that he’s dealt with psychopaths and monsters before but Joker is different and he seems genuinely uneasy with him and what his capable of. This is just me but I feel like with other interpretations of the Batman/Joker relationship (whether it be Keaton/Nicholson, Bale/Ledger, Affleck/Leto, even Conroy/Hamill) that Batman has either overwhelming anger for Joker, or he treats Joker like an inconvenience. I’d love for maybe this relationship to be how Joker has Batman’s full and undivided attention purely because of how afraid of Batman is of Joker and what he’s capable of.
the main reason they didn't add it into the actual movie was because WB was debating whether Joker and The Batman would share the same universe or not. Specially because Joker was a massive success.
Once the time came to release it for streaming or dvd (people outside the USA and Europe do still buy physical copies) they had reached the conclusion that universes were separate.
Also the fact Robert Pattinson was a pain to work with, Matt Reaves has even stated that he is not keen on working with him again. So basically The Batman is currently on limbo.
Meaning WB's plan for a Dark Universe had to be re-written. Now its Joker's Universe the one that will most likely set up the Dark Universe. With Harley Quinn and even Two-Face (or Harvey Dent at least) confirmed.
All that's missing will be the New Batman.
This joker reminds me of the elephant man movie its make up that was done to his face and hands of John merrick played John hurt on the real life story from the 19th century who was born that way and died who lost his mother and take in by a doctor
This whole sequence was just a copy of silence of the lambs.
A lot of misses and some hits with this movie. This I am glad was deleted, just some actor doing a Ledger impression but more deformed.
ok... so every live action joker after heath ledger is a ledgers joker impersonator
The biggest issue with this particular joker in my honest opinion, is that what else could the joker do that riddle already hasant? Riddler already took Gotham from Batman, he took away the man that possibly got his father killed and ripped the chance of Justice from him, jokers main gimmic is so prove that anyone can have 1 bad day and they can become just as bad as him, but the riddler kinda did that?
I want a terrifying serial killer Joker. One who is so uncomfortably calm, that you don't know when he will snap. When he does, chaos ensues.
Yeah. That's what I want. Cannibal holocaust level type shit
@@kenbines2199lmfao edgy asf
They can just make a Dark Knight Returns adaptation
yawn.
@@plasticweapon the one in the film is a yawn.
I'm never tired of more jokers! I like this version
I think this has the potential to be the most comic accurate version of the character we've seen in a live action adaptation. But like you said, we need to see more before that can be confirmed.
What part of the movie actually needed Batman in it though besides of course it being a Batman movie
agreed, this is the most accurate version cause he came off as demented and monstrous and that is what joker should be. if he is likable, or 'cool' then they did something wrong.
They had a pretty great scene with this new Joker that was cut and should have been in the movie his responses and reactions made him sound like a former law enforcement officer which would be a great change for a Joker who knows he may even be a former Detective which would make his interactions with the Batman the most unique version of the Joker so far.
I love that scene
"....sigh all right time to be professional..." -- I feel ya bro.
The joker is an ICON, he’s always a good choice to be in any Batman film…but I wish they’d rethink always making him increasingly more grotesque with each appearance. I want to be able to look at the characters without throwing up in my mouth
Had I known ahead of time I was going to be watching a psychological drama rather than the action-comedy we’ve grown to expect with superhero movies, I would’ve actually liked it the first time I watched it.
After the second more expectation-free viewing, I enjoyed what it was but still struggled with the way it was edited or pieced together.
Oddly, my initial thought on Pattinson playing The Bat was, “Umm, really…?”, but the dude impressed me. As jaded as I am with damn near everything, that’s saying something. Lol
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Just give a chance to *Willem Dafoe* , the guy even asked for it.
He asked & fought for Green Goblin role, look at his performance in that.
I honestly had no idea the joker was in this movie. That goes to show you little impact it had
Pay attention next time
@Joecbg100 i think he passed out cause no enought action or explosions
He wasn't, it's a cut scene that was released alongside the movie.
@@matthewlugo2417 There was plenty of that lol
@theketaminekid1241 this was a deleted scene it wasn't in the movie
I think it was needed though so they build them up together so when they finally interact in a more high stakes scenario it makes it all more intriguing
I've been praising this Joker and scene since I saw it, Matt Reeves has the potential to give us the greatest Batman iteration ever.
Batman has so many amazing villains in his rogues gallery. They should use others like Mr. Freeze, Hush, or even Two Face in the Reeves universe.
I think batman will just always have the joker in it. He's such a famous villain they made a movie just for him, without the batman, and it worked! So I think every director who takes on these batman projects is going to feel some pressure to have joker somewhere in their universe. Personally I thought the way they went about it was pretty good in this film. I agree theres better characters we could focus on, that I'd love to see in this darker set universe (like man bat, or scarecrow I think would be interesting to see in these films), but I also wouldn't mind a movie where he was the main villain
They should save Joker for later, honestly. DC needs to stop blowing their load on villains
Tje joker is my favorite villain ever but i still want to see different villains in this universe
Honestly I liked the idea that the Joker was already established in this universe but had been since incarcerated after what was presumably his first fairly minor (by Joker standards anyway), crime spree, the significance of which Batman doesn’t yet understand because nobody knows yet that the joker is nothing of not a repeat offender _and_ an escape artist . . .
I found it to be refreshing ‘cos it means Joker is still potentially the most significant villain in Gotham but neither because he’s the first villain that the franchise or even the Batman himself cuts his teeth on, nor are we really ‘building up’ to Joker as a ‘final boss’-styled showdown. He’s just an omnipresent threat throughout, which is exactly what he should be.
I don’t mind him as a side note. He always popped in and out. We need a Joker break as the main villain though.