Outside of a couple emulators like Xenia, having a high end GPU for emulation is only valuable if you want to upscale your games to 4k or even 10k resolutions. But if your only goal is to simply have the ability to play these games, or even playing these games but upscaled to only 1080p then it is perfectly possible to play games at a decent frame rate with very a very moderate GPU. At the end of the day most of these games are either at least 10+ years old or runs on a 7 year tablet in regards to the Switch, or in regards to ShadPS4 is too early in development to be worth using regardless of hardware. The GPU requirements for these games if they got native PC ports would be very low end, in turn high end GPUs won't be needed for emulation.
But it would really be a waste to buy a gaming PC just for emulation, especially since at the moment GPUs for playing in 1080p are not expensive (like the RX 6600), I have one, coupled with a Ryzen 5 5600X I play in 1080p in very good conditions, sometimes with all the settings on high, and if we add to that technologies like Lossless Scaling or AFMF, entry-level GPUs still have a bright future ahead of them, even in emulation.
@@mozydiaz8296 Without a doubt, emulation is just one small facet of what makes PC the definitive way to play video games. Native PC games will almost always be the best way to enjoy games.
Using a lower end cpu will only make the difference between GPUs look smaller. Of course it also depends on the emu and game and settings. Basically to remove all doubt a more powerful cpu should have been used.
@@tendosingh5682 At native resolution or whatever under 720p yes. But as soon as the resolution begins to go beyond the least VRAM amount the two, then it will start to show a huge speed difference. At the time of 970, even 1080p is pushing the limits. 1280x1048p or 1680x1050p is properly the highest the 970 is intended to.
I bought a DELL OptiPlex 3060 with a i5-8500 with a SSD yesterday used off of ebay for 140€. I have an old 1060 left and also a HDD drive. I wanna combine those things to make a cheap emulation machine. I think for 1080p at 30/60fps gaming it would be good enough.
I have the same specs only that my GPU is a 1660 and all emulators I tested worked flawlessly. I haven't tried Xbox or PlayStation 3 or 4 emulators but everything else work amazing
This why I opted to upgrade my 2200g to a 5700X3D, and kept the RX 480 4GB. I mainly emulate and play old games, so this setup works really, really well for my use case :)
I don't understand how people think dolphin is more performant than pcsx2 now in anyway. Even if the frame rate is higher anything, other than native res in dolphin has way more stutters than pcsx2 in just about every game on first run and the higher the resolutions the worse the stutters.
For Dolphin, it'll always be stuttery if you're running on OpenGL or Vulkan renderers, even though Vulkan is faster, from my experience it's also a bit unstable and performance can be inconsistent and stuttery Use DirectX12 instead for Dolphin, the experience will become stutter free, also make sure to enable pre-compiled shaders for it too for guaranteed no stutters
You have just shown a perfect video of CPU bottle neck for emulators. The only thing missing is a performance graph of each game running under different resolutions (720p, 1080p, 1440p).
YUZU is really CPU bound. I upgraded from a GTX 650 Ti 2GB to an RX 7800 XT and performance was largely the same, the 650 Ti was already enough for 60 FPS, but my CPU isn't enough for 60 in towns like Armadillo, I assume because of the NPCs. The new GPU was basically sleeping the whole time.
I'm rocking an i5-2400, 16gb DDR3 Ram and a 1050ti. The thing is, I lent my 1050ti for a friend for work since his GPU died, and he let me borrow a GTX745 4gb a friend left at his house. So, for 3 months, I've been rocking an i5 2400 with 16gb DDR3 RAM and an old GTX 745, and almost a month ago I tried to emulate Persona 5 Royal on Yuzu. Results? The game is flawless, no stuttering, 1080p quality in docked mode, locked stable 30fps like in the original switch, and that made me wonder if I could run another switch games as well. So, I got Zelda Breath of The Wild, Tears of The Kingdom, AND Zelda Link's Awakening Remake. Played everything with the same quality as the switch, except for Tears of the Kingdom that ran between 28-30 fps, and Link's awakening ran at 60. Not only that, with the same setup, I've been playing God of War 2 at 60 fps in 1080p, and Rygar: The Legendary Adventure with the same 1080p and 60fps. No stutters, nothing. Conclusion: Don't give a damn about it. GPUs help, yes, but in emulation, the only things you need to worry about are first: Your CPU and RAM, second, the settings you've set for every game personally in the emulator, and third: The compatibility and optimizations of the emulator itself regarding that game.
I think your results are a bit misleading, due to the relatively weak CPU. Yes it is a 10th Gen, but when it comes to single thread performance which is the most important thing for Emulation, it is actually just slightly better than a 7th Gen.... i7. You need a better Single Thread CPU to "bottle neck" the GPU. And you will find that anything up to the Wii, 970 would make virtually no difference for the native game, even at 3-4x resolution. And anything more than that is likely to be a VRAM problem then the actual GPU.
It mostly depends on the emulator but really it does not matter, the gpu is used mostly for higher resolutions i learned this when going to 4k resolutions with my rtx 3060 ti over previously my gtx 970, AT LEAST WITH THE RPCS3 EMILATOR!!
I'm still rocking my r5 3600x which has similar performance to ur cpu. I mainly use it for emulation and it seems more than enought for now. It will be interesting to see if a better cpu is really worth it for emulation. Thanks
@@ll_spud It really depends on what fluid frame rate and resolution you want to run your game. You know like ultra, high, performance mode, etc... Price for the performance, is it worth it?
Just got a 3060ti in replacement of my old 970, my CPU is a 14700K, I don’t know if it’s because I have a good CPU, but it’s just night and day, with my 970 I got many Vulkan driver crash in RCPS3 (the famous VK_ERROR_DEVICE_LOST), so impossible to play some games because of these crashes, also some performances issue in some games, now it’s just perfect and no more Vulkan driver crash. Framerate at 60fps is more more stable and can upscale at higher res. So for me, the GPU really matter, mainly if you have an high end CPU 👍
Emulation requires better CPU primarily single core performance not just having more cores for most older systems, translation layer needs CPU and then to upscale and render graphics GPU come into play.
It's not only GPU, but the CPU instead. I mean the number of cores and threads if you want to play with 60fps as the real console. Time passes by, and the PCS keep on upgrading and upgrading.
The gpu and cpu both matter, but in this case the cpu is strong enough for the gpus to use its full power. The reverse can happen were you have a really strong cpu but a really weak gpu holding it back.
The Dolphin settings are probably way too high on stuff like MSAA, as otherwise 1440P should be more than doable on the 970. I have an undervolted AMD 290 and it does 1440P fine. The 970 should be faster by quite a bit, especially with my lower clocks. Great video BTW, really thorough!
2 questions: 1. What I have to do to unlock 60FPS on The Last Story? 2: How can I reduce the imput lag of Cemu? Which version are you using? (I got almost a second of imput lag, I have a GTX 1660 with a i5-9600K)
you need to test again the shadps4 because that bugged light was rendering the light like 50x times, now it is fixed so you can test how many fps you get (personally i went from 30/40 to 60 in 1080p with a 4060 ti and ryzen 5 5600x
Emulators, in nature are more dependent on the CPU like a console is which their igpu weren't that good, but their cpu have great performance. I'd say any console emulator is around 70% cpu 30% gpu based. Also the reason the performance are similar between the two GPUs is because the 10400f is bottlenecking the 4070. That being said both components need to be some somewhat similar in performance to work better. If you get a faster CPU maybe an 8 core 16 thread on and the 4070 would perform much better than this.
GTX 970 has one advantage over the RTX 4070. And guess what it is? It can run on a legendary Windows operating system with some tweaks. Guess what it is? *WINDOWS XP!!!!!*
For emulation you can use such gpus all time. The gtx 970 is quite capable today, also a radeon 570 or similar is very well doing in emulation. Consider that the emulated hardware is weak in comparison to modern gaming pcs. I still use a gtx 970, radeon 570 and a gtx 980ti. And they do well for anything but AAA titles. Consider that the gtx 970 has 3,5 Gig fast Ram, but the last 0.5 Gig is slow. In my experience that leads in some games to stutter, mainly at 1440p.
I think u dont understand about graphic api : on emulator vulkan driver for window not fully support for older pascal so the performance will not make the same
The emulation process will always be more heavy on the cpu because the cpu is "emulating" the original hardware of the console and outputting it on the screen...this means that there will always be 2 layers of work for the cpu to output the final result while a pc game will take 1 layer because it was made for the cpu. I can even say that the GPU doesn't matter at all in most cases of emulation.
A RTX 2060 will probably handle most of these games, but since it's out of stock in many places, an RTX 3050 or an equivalent AMD card would be a good alternative.
SADLY... The fact has always remained, that CPU is the key component in emulating game-consoles. So sad to physically feel my 9th gen i5 finally getting caught up on by emulators :/
To an extent GPU matters, but nowhere near as much as a good CPU. CPU aside, my PC with a GT 1030 was barely running at an unstable 20fps on GameCube emulation, which increased to a solid 60 fps with both the Intel Arc A380 and RX 6400, and when building a PC for a mate, the RTX 3070 I tested for him performed identical to the RX 6400 despite their power difference at 1440P. Only going to 4K would change that, but this is unnecessary in my opinion. Once you have a competent GPU, the rest will add little except more pixels in emulation since it's a CPU intensive task.
Can you test a combination of totk optimizer and lossless scaling. Like try to use totk optimiser at 900p and if the emulator has windowed mode, try lossless scaling upscaler and see if there are differences noticeable or no difference at all.
This is interesting, but I am not sure about your methodology for testing. Shouldn't you be using a much stronger CPU if you are trying to see what effect the GPU's have on the games you selected? 10400F was never that powerful. I already knew that the 4070 is FAR above what you were trying to do and will hold up long term better than the 970; well, except for the 12GB of ram, but that only really effects games that came out in the last couple years and not old ones. Stronger CPU should be used when you are testing this setup out IMO.
Yes, I remember running Dolphin and Pcsx2 with my old AMD 6870 Redeon and when my GPU was busted and I had to to just use nVidia 210 GT ( didn't have money to afford a powerful GPU ) in the same desktop, the difference in performance in emualtors is insane, so yeah Emulators are very GPU heavy.
@@mentalhell4846 Well you didn't say it happened 10 years ago in your comment! But I digress, you don't need a beastly GPU for both PCSX2 and Dolphin, unless you want to do like 1440p-4K upscaling
@@m0ssyk1m10 yes, that's what I meant, sorry. If you are going to upscale and doing some crazy shit like custom shades, you need a beefy GPU, otherwise a weak GPU would be fine provided you are running the game at native resolution.
It depends on the emu/generation/game of course but id say modern i5/ryzen 5 or better coupled with 4060 and above for modern platforms switch/ps3+. If emu older generation like wii/wiiu then the gpu could drop to half that with a drop in cpu as well. Some platforms might need better gpu vs cpu while some better cpu than gpu. There are a million yt vids out there so check them to see what performance you get with the emus you wish to use.
Do you think a gaming laptop with 13th gen core i7+rtx 4050 is sufficient for running all of those emulator even at 2K resolution like yuzu or ryuxjin?
OK but what are exactly your settings on the emulator you are using. Be more clear cause I have an 11400f and it works well with switch emulators on watching carefully the settings on ryujinx or sudachi
It should be clarified that the video argument only applies to NVIDIA, with AMD it doesn't work the same, my RX470 is quite mediocre compared to an emulation RX7600.
Polaris is weak on technology shaders base only dx12.0 not 12.1 like most gtx that are still supported. But RDNA 2 and up are really exceptional gpu for modern emulations.
Are people really surprised by these results? People are running PS2, and gamecube games on retroid pockets. You can also run switch games on Android phones. Clearly you can get playable results on very low spec hardware these days. People just don't get how advanced modern hardware has become.
The CPU you're using is severely bottlenecking the 4070 in this scenario. Since many emulators are CPU heavy. You should seriously know that judging by all the technical jargon you use throughout the video.
I think it’s more like the emulator can’t make use of all the threads that his cpu can handle so it bottleneck cuz emulator do have problems at utilising all cpu cores
@kongsunlyheng4186 Yes, basically the emulator will almost never use 100% of what your CPU has to offer. I'd say at most it uses around 70%, unlike a native PC game, which will be able to extract 100% of all the available hardware.
@@AlexwpiGameOf course, most emulators only use 1 - 2 cores realistically, they can use more cores, but for other side loads. Until those later ones like PS4 and Xbox 360, which required more GPU.
Na, the 970 was an awesome gpu with a vram flaw. I have still 2 of them in use. For everything but AAA titles its good. You should use it only for full HD though. For emulation that is more than enough.
thanks. so there is few GPU intensive emulators but the most of emulator is CPU intensive anyway... cool. I am building my emulator-only PC with high CPU and Nvidia 1660 LOL
I have a question for you. I live in a country with a very warm climate and also very high electricity costs. For this reason a GPU like the RTX 4060 is a great choice. Compared with the GTX 970, it has GDDR6 Memory, it has a higher Memory Clock, more than double Memory Speed, a higher Memory Bandwidth...... But...... Sadly the 970 has a double the Memory Bus Width. Would a RTX 4060 be slower than the GTX 970 for emulation? PS Xbox 360 emulation excluded and as of PS4 emulation, I think it will need 10-15 years of development to mature (just like RPCS3 did)
The 4060 will be your better option here mate. Yes the memory bus is a sad trade off Nvidia did. All the other improvements and support for the newer versions of DX vulken and open GL? I think their still updating it 😅 could be wrong, is where you'll see the performance improvements. Plus it's still supported by Nvidia.
@@blackstar-genXI'm playing through Gears of War Judgment just fine on my 10y rig + LSFG 2x, running at 1080p at 30fps with some framedrops here and there and fake frames putting it on 60fps, all on a merely i5 4690 + GTX 970
ur i5-10400F is to weak for PS3 emulation, ur cpu is missing AVX-512 Instructions! for perfect PS3 emulation (RPCS3) u need a CPU that supports AVX-512 Instructions, only Intel's 11th gen support that. so if u buy today a CPU for emulation, dont go with intel's 12th, 13th & 14th. some 12th gens have AVX-512 support, when u disable the efficient cores! especially the fact that intel's 13th & 14th will automatically overclock too high and destroy the cpu over time, is not the best cpu for the future. AVX-512 doubles the frame rate ! AMD Zen 4 & Zen 5 have fully AVX-512 support and is the way to go for PS3 emulation in 2024!
Nvidia has better drivers, both for Vulkan and OpenGL. In a CPU battle between Intel and AMD, Intel will perform better with RPCS3 because it makes better use of the AVX instruction, while for the rest of the emulators, it's safe to say the performance is about the same.
@@AlexwpiGameThis video contradicts your comment that Intel is better than AMD for RPCS3 because of its better use of AVX. th-cam.com/video/49GvpHtb2OQ/w-d-xo.html
@@AlexwpiGame AVX512 on AMD zen4 and zen5 should be better for rpcs3. Intel only supported avx512 up to 12th gen it got removed. 11th gen intel is way too slow compared to zen4 and zen5 and it has severe downclocking when using avx512
Good idea.bad execution. Testing only one game per consol makes this video not of any definitive help since all games are coded and run differently. Test at least 3 games per sonsol to make a video that has a decent conclusion.
This was just a pilot video (a test to see if the audience likes this type of content). Clearly, if there's interest, I can spend a week testing games with both GPUs.
It is not how many games per console, but more of how much the resource the game takes. For example: BOTW is one of the more resource intensive games for switch. This would give you an guage of how other games would perform. Otherwise, it is another problem and not the hardware that is causing the performance.
I don't think the 4070 is high end. It close to high end but it's still a mid range GPU. I also don't think the 7800xt is fully high end too. I think the 4060 and 4070 are the mid range. Anything under the 60 is where the low end starts but sadly that changed because we started only seeing GPU under the 60s card in laptop only😅
an rtx 4070 almost touches an rtx 3080 in perfomance,go look at the steam gpu owner chart and it beats 95% of users fyi. no way in hell 4070 is mid range
"4070 is not high end" nvidia marketing department can sleep well knowing they've done their job. 4070 price starts at around 600$ still and allows you to play any game under the sun. There are about 15 other consumer available GPUs that might be faster than 4070 as of now. And don't consider it high end. Bravo! Consumerism for the win.
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Outside of a couple emulators like Xenia, having a high end GPU for emulation is only valuable if you want to upscale your games to 4k or even 10k resolutions.
But if your only goal is to simply have the ability to play these games, or even playing these games but upscaled to only 1080p then it is perfectly possible to play games at a decent frame rate with very a very moderate GPU.
At the end of the day most of these games are either at least 10+ years old or runs on a 7 year tablet in regards to the Switch, or in regards to ShadPS4 is too early in development to be worth using regardless of hardware. The GPU requirements for these games if they got native PC ports would be very low end, in turn high end GPUs won't be needed for emulation.
But it would really be a waste to buy a gaming PC just for emulation, especially since at the moment GPUs for playing in 1080p are not expensive (like the RX 6600), I have one, coupled with a Ryzen 5 5600X I play in 1080p in very good conditions, sometimes with all the settings on high, and if we add to that technologies like Lossless Scaling or AFMF, entry-level GPUs still have a bright future ahead of them, even in emulation.
@@mozydiaz8296 Without a doubt, emulation is just one small facet of what makes PC the definitive way to play video games. Native PC games will almost always be the best way to enjoy games.
even Switch emulators ask for an RX 550 as a minimum, which is much weaker than the 970
absolutely loved this vid. Would like to see a AMD vs Intel cpu on emulators
I need a AMD GPU
I don't understand if people saying "your gpu is bottlenecked by your cpu" are trolling or didn't understand the whole purpose of this video
they dont know emulating games is cpu heavy and not gpu dependant lmaoo
I think you read it backwards. Most people are saying the CPU is not powerful enough. And yes 10400F is not a very good Emulation CPU, even back then.
Using a lower end cpu will only make the difference between GPUs look smaller. Of course it also depends on the emu and game and settings. Basically to remove all doubt a more powerful cpu should have been used.
@@tendosingh5682 At native resolution or whatever under 720p yes. But as soon as the resolution begins to go beyond the least VRAM amount the two, then it will start to show a huge speed difference. At the time of 970, even 1080p is pushing the limits. 1280x1048p or 1680x1050p is properly the highest the 970 is intended to.
not news to me, emulation has always been CPU bound.
I bought a DELL OptiPlex 3060 with a i5-8500 with a SSD yesterday used off of ebay for 140€. I have an old 1060 left and also a HDD drive. I wanna combine those things to make a cheap emulation machine. I think for 1080p at 30/60fps gaming it would be good enough.
I think that'll be fine for what you want and a good price.
I have the same specs only that my GPU is a 1660 and all emulators I tested worked flawlessly. I haven't tried Xbox or PlayStation 3 or 4 emulators but everything else work amazing
This why I opted to upgrade my 2200g to a 5700X3D, and kept the RX 480 4GB. I mainly emulate and play old games, so this setup works really, really well for my use case :)
Great topic. Thanks for using Lookout Landing in Tears of the Kingdom.
I don't understand how people think dolphin is more performant than pcsx2 now in anyway. Even if the frame rate is higher anything, other than native res in dolphin has way more stutters than pcsx2 in just about every game on first run and the higher the resolutions the worse the stutters.
For Dolphin, it'll always be stuttery if you're running on OpenGL or Vulkan renderers, even though Vulkan is faster, from my experience it's also a bit unstable and performance can be inconsistent and stuttery
Use DirectX12 instead for Dolphin, the experience will become stutter free, also make sure to enable pre-compiled shaders for it too for guaranteed no stutters
You have just shown a perfect video of CPU bottle neck for emulators. The only thing missing is a performance graph of each game running under different resolutions (720p, 1080p, 1440p).
YUZU is really CPU bound. I upgraded from a GTX 650 Ti 2GB to an RX 7800 XT and performance was largely the same, the 650 Ti was already enough for 60 FPS, but my CPU isn't enough for 60 in towns like Armadillo, I assume because of the NPCs. The new GPU was basically sleeping the whole time.
CPU is much more important. As long as you aren't VRAM limited most GPU's will work fine.
I'm rocking an i5-2400, 16gb DDR3 Ram and a 1050ti. The thing is, I lent my 1050ti for a friend for work since his GPU died, and he let me borrow a GTX745 4gb a friend left at his house.
So, for 3 months, I've been rocking an i5 2400 with 16gb DDR3 RAM and an old GTX 745, and almost a month ago I tried to emulate Persona 5 Royal on Yuzu. Results? The game is flawless, no stuttering, 1080p quality in docked mode, locked stable 30fps like in the original switch, and that made me wonder if I could run another switch games as well. So, I got Zelda Breath of The Wild, Tears of The Kingdom, AND Zelda Link's Awakening Remake. Played everything with the same quality as the switch, except for Tears of the Kingdom that ran between 28-30 fps, and Link's awakening ran at 60.
Not only that, with the same setup, I've been playing God of War 2 at 60 fps in 1080p, and Rygar: The Legendary Adventure with the same 1080p and 60fps. No stutters, nothing.
Conclusion: Don't give a damn about it. GPUs help, yes, but in emulation, the only things you need to worry about are first: Your CPU and RAM, second, the settings you've set for every game personally in the emulator, and third: The compatibility and optimizations of the emulator itself regarding that game.
I think your results are a bit misleading, due to the relatively weak CPU. Yes it is a 10th Gen, but when it comes to single thread performance which is the most important thing for Emulation, it is actually just slightly better than a 7th Gen.... i7. You need a better Single Thread CPU to "bottle neck" the GPU. And you will find that anything up to the Wii, 970 would make virtually no difference for the native game, even at 3-4x resolution. And anything more than that is likely to be a VRAM problem then the actual GPU.
It mostly depends on the emulator but really it does not matter, the gpu is used mostly for higher resolutions i learned this when going to 4k resolutions with my rtx 3060 ti over previously my gtx 970, AT LEAST WITH THE RPCS3 EMILATOR!!
You can make a video of Can a Powerful CPU Really Make a Difference in Emulation?
Yes, but I'll probably have to wait until the end of the year when I'll be upgrading my PC. For now, this is the only one I have available.
I'm still rocking my r5 3600x which has similar performance to ur cpu. I mainly use it for emulation and it seems more than enought for now. It will be interesting to see if a better cpu is really worth it for emulation. Thanks
@@ll_spud It really depends on what fluid frame rate and resolution you want to run your game. You know like ultra, high, performance mode, etc... Price for the performance, is it worth it?
@@AlexwpiGame Don't worry, I'll wait as long as necessary.
3times performance at 3 times the price . Goodjob NVIDIA
Just got a 3060ti in replacement of my old 970, my CPU is a 14700K, I don’t know if it’s because I have a good CPU, but it’s just night and day, with my 970 I got many Vulkan driver crash in RCPS3 (the famous VK_ERROR_DEVICE_LOST), so impossible to play some games because of these crashes, also some performances issue in some games, now it’s just perfect and no more Vulkan driver crash.
Framerate at 60fps is more more stable and can upscale at higher res.
So for me, the GPU really matter, mainly if you have an high end CPU 👍
Emulation requires better CPU primarily single core performance not just having more cores for most older systems, translation layer needs CPU and then to upscale and render graphics GPU come into play.
It's not only GPU, but the CPU instead. I mean the number of cores and threads if you want to play with 60fps as the real console. Time passes by, and the PCS keep on upgrading and upgrading.
So basically if you want more smooth experience on emulators buy a high end cpu
The gpu and cpu both matter, but in this case the cpu is strong enough for the gpus to use its full power. The reverse can happen were you have a really strong cpu but a really weak gpu holding it back.
The Dolphin settings are probably way too high on stuff like MSAA, as otherwise 1440P should be more than doable on the 970.
I have an undervolted AMD 290 and it does 1440P fine. The 970 should be faster by quite a bit, especially with my lower clocks.
Great video BTW, really thorough!
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hopefully we get a ryzen vs intel cpu benchmark someday
2 questions:
1. What I have to do to unlock 60FPS on The Last Story?
2: How can I reduce the imput lag of Cemu? Which version are you using? (I got almost a second of imput lag, I have a GTX 1660 with a i5-9600K)
you need to test again the shadps4 because that bugged light was rendering the light like 50x times, now it is fixed so you can test how many fps you get (personally i went from 30/40 to 60 in 1080p with a 4060 ti and ryzen 5 5600x
GPU potente ajuda nos sharders do RetroArch.
Excelente trabalho.
Emulators, in nature are more dependent on the CPU like a console is which their igpu weren't that good, but their cpu have great performance. I'd say any console emulator is around 70% cpu 30% gpu based.
Also the reason the performance are similar between the two GPUs is because the 10400f is bottlenecking the 4070. That being said both components need to be some somewhat similar in performance to work better. If you get a faster CPU maybe an 8 core 16 thread on and the 4070 would perform much better than this.
GTX 970 has one advantage over the RTX 4070. And guess what it is? It can run on a legendary Windows operating system with some tweaks. Guess what it is? *WINDOWS XP!!!!!*
For emulation you can use such gpus all time. The gtx 970 is quite capable today, also a radeon 570 or similar is very well doing in emulation. Consider that the emulated hardware is weak in comparison to modern gaming pcs. I still use a gtx 970, radeon 570 and a gtx 980ti. And they do well for anything but AAA titles. Consider that the gtx 970 has 3,5 Gig fast Ram, but the last 0.5 Gig is slow. In my experience that leads in some games to stutter, mainly at 1440p.
I think u dont understand about graphic api : on emulator vulkan driver for window not fully support for older pascal so the performance will not make the same
Great test. Good to know.
The emulation process will always be more heavy on the cpu because the cpu is "emulating" the original hardware of the console and outputting it on the screen...this means that there will always be 2 layers of work for the cpu to output the final result while a pc game will take 1 layer because it was made for the cpu.
I can even say that the GPU doesn't matter at all in most cases of emulation.
Great. And what build do you recomand dedicated to emulation and 1080p gaming?
A RTX 2060 will probably handle most of these games, but since it's out of stock in many places, an RTX 3050 or an equivalent AMD card would be a good alternative.
SADLY...
The fact has always remained, that CPU is the key component in emulating game-consoles. So sad to physically feel my 9th gen i5 finally getting caught up on by emulators :/
To an extent GPU matters, but nowhere near as much as a good CPU.
CPU aside, my PC with a GT 1030 was barely running at an unstable 20fps on GameCube emulation, which increased to a solid 60 fps with both the Intel Arc A380 and RX 6400, and when building a PC for a mate, the RTX 3070 I tested for him performed identical to the RX 6400 despite their power difference at 1440P.
Only going to 4K would change that, but this is unnecessary in my opinion.
Once you have a competent GPU, the rest will add little except more pixels in emulation since it's a CPU intensive task.
Do the change of resolution makes significances on performance better 1080p and 2k?
Can you test a combination of totk optimizer and lossless scaling. Like try to use totk optimiser at 900p and if the emulator has windowed mode, try lossless scaling upscaler and see if there are differences noticeable or no difference at all.
This is interesting, but I am not sure about your methodology for testing. Shouldn't you be using a much stronger CPU if you are trying to see what effect the GPU's have on the games you selected? 10400F was never that powerful. I already knew that the 4070 is FAR above what you were trying to do and will hold up long term better than the 970; well, except for the 12GB of ram, but that only really effects games that came out in the last couple years and not old ones. Stronger CPU should be used when you are testing this setup out IMO.
Yes, I remember running Dolphin and Pcsx2 with my old AMD 6870 Redeon and when my GPU was busted and I had to to just use nVidia 210 GT ( didn't have money to afford a powerful GPU ) in the same desktop, the difference in performance in emualtors is insane, so yeah Emulators are very GPU heavy.
That GPU is so old... no way it's gonna run Dolphin and PCSX2 lol
A GTX 650 Ti and a GT 710 will run PCSX2 and Dolphin much better as long as you don't do upscaling
@@m0ssyk1m10 bruh, that was 10 years ago..lol
@@mentalhell4846 Well you didn't say it happened 10 years ago in your comment!
But I digress, you don't need a beastly GPU for both PCSX2 and Dolphin, unless you want to do like 1440p-4K upscaling
@@m0ssyk1m10 yes, that's what I meant, sorry.
If you are going to upscale and doing some crazy shit like custom shades, you need a beefy GPU, otherwise a weak GPU would be fine provided you are running the game at native resolution.
I actually wanted to know what gpu emulators requires for peak performance. Mainly stable 60fps at 4k max resolution.
It depends on the emu/generation/game of course but id say modern i5/ryzen 5 or better coupled with 4060 and above for modern platforms switch/ps3+. If emu older generation like wii/wiiu then the gpu could drop to half that with a drop in cpu as well. Some platforms might need better gpu vs cpu while some better cpu than gpu. There are a million yt vids out there so check them to see what performance you get with the emus you wish to use.
A more powerful GPU is used almost exclusively for resolution-scaling in emulation (outside of Xenia). You should have tested that
Do you think a gaming laptop with 13th gen core i7+rtx 4050 is sufficient for running all of those emulator even at 2K resolution like yuzu or ryuxjin?
What is the racing game on the intro?
Forza Horizon 4 (PC/Xbox)
Looks like I need to upgrade my 950
Your footage shows over 2GB VRAM on Ryujinx, and well... *laughs in getting his money's worth out of hardware*
If the gtx970 vram usage goes above 3.5gb performance will be affect, might explain the terrible bloodborn performance
Wow, that i5-10400F is a very slow CPU. I have an i7-12700K, 8 player smash ultimate matches is perfect 60fps without drops on Yuzu and equivalents.
OK but what are exactly your settings on the emulator you are using. Be more clear cause I have an 11400f and it works well with switch emulators on watching carefully the settings on ryujinx or sudachi
It should be clarified that the video argument only applies to NVIDIA, with AMD it doesn't work the same, my RX470 is quite mediocre compared to an emulation RX7600.
Polaris is weak on technology shaders base only dx12.0 not 12.1 like most gtx that are still supported. But RDNA 2 and up are really exceptional gpu for modern emulations.
Are people really surprised by these results? People are running PS2, and gamecube games on retroid pockets. You can also run switch games on Android phones. Clearly you can get playable results on very low spec hardware these days. People just don't get how advanced modern hardware has become.
The CPU you're using is severely bottlenecking the 4070 in this scenario. Since many emulators are CPU heavy. You should seriously know that judging by all the technical jargon you use throughout the video.
Your GPU is bottlenecked by your CPU, you should consider upgrading
I think it’s more like the emulator can’t make use of all the threads that his cpu can handle so it bottleneck cuz emulator do have problems at utilising all cpu cores
@kongsunlyheng4186 Yes, basically the emulator will almost never use 100% of what your CPU has to offer. I'd say at most it uses around 70%, unlike a native PC game, which will be able to extract 100% of all the available hardware.
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@@AlexwpiGameOf course, most emulators only use 1 - 2 cores realistically, they can use more cores, but for other side loads. Until those later ones like PS4 and Xbox 360, which required more GPU.
Na, the 970 was an awesome gpu with a vram flaw. I have still 2 of them in use. For everything but AAA titles its good. You should use it only for full HD though. For emulation that is more than enough.
Which Game U playing in starting Of this video brother ❤
Forza Horizon 4 (PC)
Nice video
Thx bro
cpu supported instruction sets matters
thanks. so there is few GPU intensive emulators but the most of emulator is CPU intensive anyway... cool. I am building my emulator-only PC with high CPU and Nvidia 1660 LOL
I have a question for you. I live in a country with a very warm climate and also very high electricity costs. For this reason a GPU like the RTX 4060 is a great choice.
Compared with the GTX 970, it has GDDR6 Memory, it has a higher Memory Clock, more than double Memory Speed, a higher Memory Bandwidth......
But......
Sadly the 970 has a double the Memory Bus Width.
Would a RTX 4060 be slower than the GTX 970 for emulation?
PS Xbox 360 emulation excluded and as of PS4 emulation, I think it will need 10-15 years of development to mature (just like RPCS3 did)
The 4060 will be your better option here mate. Yes the memory bus is a sad trade off Nvidia did. All the other improvements and support for the newer versions of DX vulken and open GL? I think their still updating it 😅 could be wrong, is where you'll see the performance improvements. Plus it's still supported by Nvidia.
Just an extra add on the 4060 use a little bit less power than the 970 too
But just like the video shown unless you're gonna be using the newer emulators or the 360 emulator you need something better than a 970
RTX 4060 >>> GTX 970 for sure
Moreover, 4GB of VRAM for emulation has become somewhat outdated, even for running games at 1080P.
@@blackstar-genXI'm playing through Gears of War Judgment just fine on my 10y rig + LSFG 2x, running at 1080p at 30fps with some framedrops here and there and fake frames putting it on 60fps, all on a merely i5 4690 + GTX 970
Can you use Frame Gen in emulator?
Yes, it's possible to use AMD's FSR or Lossless Scaling with any emulator, as long as they are configured correctly.
Are u from Brazil?
yes man
You didnt have to swap the components....Film the furst lot with the 970......then do the same for the 4070
Upgrading the GPU will make a difference but at least in native pc games definitely cpu bottlenecked
Então pra emulador é melhor ter uma cpu mais potente?
Sim manolo, melhor vc ter uma CPU mais potente do que uma GPU se o foco é só emuladores
what about android emulators
pc client 80gb/android 10gb
there are many ppl who use 4g sim cards as internet
means limited monthly Gb
ur i5-10400F is to weak for PS3 emulation, ur cpu is missing AVX-512 Instructions!
for perfect PS3 emulation (RPCS3) u need a CPU that supports AVX-512 Instructions, only Intel's 11th gen support that. so if u buy today a CPU for emulation, dont go with intel's 12th, 13th & 14th. some 12th gens have AVX-512 support, when u disable the efficient cores! especially the fact that intel's 13th & 14th will automatically overclock too high and destroy the cpu over time, is not the best cpu for the future.
AVX-512 doubles the frame rate !
AMD Zen 4 & Zen 5 have fully AVX-512 support and is the way to go for PS3 emulation in 2024!
but you need a least a 6 cores cpu to run games like mgs 4.
Gud video
Thx bro
Gg❤
4070 is mid range. idk why people think it's "high end"
Amd or nvidia for emulation
Nvidia has better drivers, both for Vulkan and OpenGL. In a CPU battle between Intel and AMD, Intel will perform better with RPCS3 because it makes better use of the AVX instruction, while for the rest of the emulators, it's safe to say the performance is about the same.
@@AlexwpiGameThis video contradicts your comment that Intel is better than AMD for RPCS3 because of its better use of AVX.
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@@AlexwpiGame intel 11 gen and some early 12 gen batches supported it, 13 & 14 gen has no avx 513 support, but amd 7000 series does
@@AlexwpiGame AVX512 on AMD zen4 and zen5 should be better for rpcs3. Intel only supported avx512 up to 12th gen it got removed. 11th gen intel is way too slow compared to zen4 and zen5 and it has severe downclocking when using avx512
except xenia all emulators are bound to cpu power
your gpu is bottlenecked a lot in PC native games with that old cpu 10400f
That sounds like a stupid question, not gonna lie.
u forgot about xemu
can you test I and A CPU
Highly recoommend you avoid covering games from a certain company that is not Sony or Xbox.
Thx for advice
Nintendont
Ai voice?
yes
PS emulation = cpu bound
xenia need powerfull gpu
you have got to understand that most people are stupid
Good idea.bad execution.
Testing only one game per consol makes this video not of any definitive help since all games are coded and run differently. Test at least 3 games per sonsol to make a video that has a decent conclusion.
This was just a pilot video (a test to see if the audience likes this type of content). Clearly, if there's interest, I can spend a week testing games with both GPUs.
@@AlexwpiGame the content itself would be of higher quality if you mentioned that...
It is not how many games per console, but more of how much the resource the game takes. For example: BOTW is one of the more resource intensive games for switch. This would give you an guage of how other games would perform. Otherwise, it is another problem and not the hardware that is causing the performance.
I don't think the 4070 is high end. It close to high end but it's still a mid range GPU. I also don't think the 7800xt is fully high end too.
I think the 4060 and 4070 are the mid range. Anything under the 60 is where the low end starts but sadly that changed because we started only seeing GPU under the 60s card in laptop only😅
an rtx 4070 almost touches an rtx 3080 in perfomance,go look at the steam gpu owner chart and it beats 95% of users fyi.
no way in hell 4070 is mid range
For current emulators available, RTX 4070 is pretty high end though.
"4070 is not high end" nvidia marketing department can sleep well knowing they've done their job. 4070 price starts at around 600$ still and allows you to play any game under the sun. There are about 15 other consumer available GPUs that might be faster than 4070 as of now. And don't consider it high end. Bravo! Consumerism for the win.
@@Zero-Saber As a video card, it's midrange. For current emulators available, RTX 4070 is pretty high end.
Upgrade ur CPU not GPU bro 😊
Missed the point. 🤡🤣
Your cpu is too weak to pair with the rtx 4070, it's definitely bottlenecking it
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Thank you, my friend.