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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 พ.ค. 2024
- I am comparing the new E-Stabilization modes of the Lumix S5IIx or S5II or S9. I am doing several tests via handheld and via my gimbal. I will also look at the quality of E-Stabilization High and explain the drawbacks.
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I wish I could give you 100 likes for this valuable test you did and all the time and work you put into it. Thanks!
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This is really great!! I love your detailed demos. I have been shooting video at speaker events up to 200mm on a monopod with the new High mode and 6k and wasn’t overly thrilled. Thank you for this fascinating explanation and defs going to c4k now for that scenario!!
Thank you! Yes, if it moves a little bit and is not totally stationary, C4K is better and still gives you a little leverage on the top and bottom. With the S5IIx you could use ProRes or 400MBit All-I. But then you cannot use DualSD-Card recording except there are fast SD-cards that support this.
Otherwise, you could mount a DJI gimbal on your monopod, set the DJI controls to very slow and use only IBIS in 6k.
E stabilization high is only meant for very rapid movements and running. For more controlled movements, IBIS or Dual IS is enough unless you're shooting wider than 24mm, in which case you can turn on E stabilization standard.
Thank you for the in depth testing by the way and figuring out the crops. Seems like standard is about 9.5% and high is about 44%.
Dual is is IBIS with Boost IS, right? This would be for static shots, not for movements. That's what the instructions say. Or did you experienced different results? 😮
Yes, E-Stab can reduce some of the warping on wide lenses. 😁
@@CameraRig No, Dual IS is IBIS+OIS in the lens. Boost IS is to emulate a locked off tripod shot.
Great test. 👍🏽
Amazing test !
Thank you!
Thx for the tests. Seems like Gimbal is much better than any mode.
And yes, High E-stab quality looks a bit worse :(.
Excellent video! I too played a lot with my DJI RS4 + S5M2 combo to find out which is the best combo as many recommend to switch off IBIS entirely when on the gimbal. However, both my and your results show IBIS should still be kept on even when on the gimbal. (On my channel, 99% of the DJI RS4 + S5M2 shots have been done using IBIS + slow follow mode on the gimbal.)
Note: I only shoot in 6K Open Gate mode and would never use E-stabilization because of the lower quality / effective resolution when I have the gimbal around.
Sometimes, I like to customize the joystick speed so can do really slow cinematic movements with the gimbal.
Yes, IBIS is always on.
Thanks so much, you put a lot of effort into this video. I was going to buy a S9 just for the stabilisation when the prices dropped. But I'm thinking the stabilisation could have been promoted a bit to much.
If you don't mind a little bit bigger camera and not LUT button, I recommend you to check out two other cameras.
The S5II as second hand can get close to the price of the S9. And then the Sony ZV-E1 gives you 4k60 no crop with the sensor of the Sony A7SIII and can be bought second hand just a few hundred USD more than the S9.
Since you will be dependent on the lenses, you have to decide if you go with Sony or Panasonic. 😁
@@CameraRig yeah your right, there are plenty on eBay roughly asking £1200. I'm considering selling my A7R5 and moving to Panasonic just for the stabilisation alone. I probably won't take much of a hit.
Only thing is I find my 20-40 Tamron is almost perfect for my social media work.
@@CameraRigThe IBIS stabilization of the ZV E1 is quite bad, vastly inferior to the IBIS in the Lumic cameras, including the S9.
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That is a priceless piece of information! I've always thought it is in reverse, and you ALWAYS should use 6K.
@denblendaman-826 you should use C4K when using E-Stab high. Otherwise, 6k is fine.
@@CameraRig yea, I get. I never use E-Gimbal, for in my job TOO MUCH stab is not useful, but even harmful. Even Boost I.S. is too much most of a times.
Still - very insightfull stuff. Also - You can have crop lens in 6K with high E-stab mode. Which now, as I may assume, is not as useful, as C4K.
@@denblendaman-826 I think Boost IS is fine since it only moves the sensor and does not crop your image, right. It helps when doing static shots.
I'm using now a G9-II hand held and on the bicycle an Insta360 X4. Your tests are very helpfull.
It's good to see that there is only a very small reduction in image quality in 4k and e-stabilization on high. I will get very good stabilized shots with the 9mm that look like a 12mm.
I made some tests with my G9-II on the bicycle and for this tests I used a very short exposure. The e-stabilization of action- and 360° cams is much better in bright daylight when the camera exposes very short and the rolling shutter effect with it's distortions of the frame can be compensated by the e-stabilization. It looks like the G9-II is doing the same. I got very good results with the G9-II mounted on the bicycle. The stabilization is comparable with the Sony X3000 (an action cam that has optical stabilization).
I also think the warping edges with wide angle lenses are compensated with the action cam like e-stabilization in the new Panasonic cameras and this might be better if you don't use 180° shutter angle for the heavy moving shots like running. With 180° you get motion blur within the single frames and if the motion is compensated you still have the blur.
That's true. I try to achieve the common motion blur effect with he 180° rule. If the G9-II does not crop too much in 4k60p you could use this setting with E-Stabilization. Most action cams use 60p to achieve good stabilization. You could still add motion blur in post.
I believe E-stab high in G9II has less crop like 25%.
@@nightdonutstudio Yes it is less crop. I think that the IBIS with the smaller sensor is already better so they didn't need to use that much crop on top. It's also possible this has to do with the 4:3 format, that allows to compensate more up and down movements which are typically stronger than the left and right movements.
Unfortunately the companies don't talk about the internals and how they do things precisely.
I don't entirely agree about the C4K giving you better quality when using EIS High. It certainly give you better motion details and more color information to grade in post, but actual details will still be better when using 6K or Open Gate for subjects with relatively slow motions or when by exemple you are standing still and want to stabilise a footage at 200mm or 300mm.
I understand but you might confuse here something. Here I talk about EIS High with 6k or C4K.
When using E-Stab High, the are is so much cropped that there are only a little bit more than C4K of pixels available to capture information. So it does not matter if you scale it up to 6k or 12k.
If you take a photo at 300x240 pixels and you scale it up to 1000x800 pixels it will not look sharper.
6k with E-Stab High will give you 3:2 but otherwise, 6K with E-Stab High is just incorrect marketing since it is just C4K with a little bit more pixels.
But if you talk about 6k Vs C4K without E-Stab, then 6K is better. 😁
I hope my explanation helps.
well im working with and with gimbel in e E-Stabilization in S5ii and s5iix and getting much better results and also hand held much better ( 24mm,50mm )
you still getting shaking movements on a gimbel and E-Stabilization in high.... ? maybe your walking wrong and need to work on your walking need to calibrate your gimbel or the way your holding
I would recommend only IBIS when using a gimbal or supersmooth with the DJI RS3/RS4.
I walk intentionally normal on the videos to give my audience realistic results. Some TH-camrs pray in-camera stabilization but are very skilled Ninja walkers. 😅
I also like to use the 50mm. Especially for church events with custom slow Joystick settings for my gimbal to get slow parallax shots.
@@CameraRig before the update I also would recommend only IBIS when using a gimbal or super smooth with the DJI RS3/RS4 , but now the fix background perspective is amazing especially with close subject in wide angle
My opinions is E-Stab high in my uses is absolutely not worth using causing too much sudden jerks.
gimbals are unbeatable and just normal IBIS and steady walking but it will never compare to a gimbal.
Yeah, I agree sort of, but I think they are perhaps just subtly different looks. Depends what one wants to convey or evoke with the images maybe? Like for example, in real estate you always gimbal. But drama or doco you might want a bit of subtle POV camera shake…etc
@@the_black_douglas9041 I'm telling you man E-Stab high with that massive crop isn't worth it.
If you want POV just use IBIS or Dual IS. It's just a more natural shake and movement.
To each their own in the end, but it's really just how bad the cropping can get that is why I really stay away from it.
E-Stab high can work for vlogging. Maybe when filming at 30p it can help. But the frame crop is definitely annoying and I think normal E-Stab is the best compromise if you don't have a gimbal.
I also did no ninja walk when filming, but who does that?! 😅
Of course, a gimbal is unbeatable.
@@CameraRig We all ways do! 🐧🐧🐧🐧
The crop on the S5II is just crap and a disappointment in Lumix. I should have gone with the Sony ZV-E1 instead. Too bad it came out later. I have an 18mm 1.8, of course I wanted wide shots, but I ended up with around 32mm at 60 frames with better stabilization. Thanks a lot! LOL. The only plus in all of this is that I can kind of change the focal length due to the crop, which is still a stupid idea since I sacrifice bokeh.
True! I also find it pretty annoying and experienced the same when filming a wedding. With all those setting like E-Stab High and 4k60p the S5II can be called "a great APS-C camera". 😂
You still have the same bokeh but could get more with the 35mm 1.8 at full frame. You should look at the Sony A7SIII if you want to use it for professional work, but it has a recording limit compared to the S5II. For vlogging the ZV-E1 is absolutely amazing.
With both cameras (S5II, ZV-E1) you pay 4-digits for an old sensor that has been recycled. ☹️
It is best if you get the camera that fits best to your usecase. I can live with the crop since I need no recording limit. 🤔
No, the ZV E1 IBIS, active or not, is terrible. You can do gyro stabilzation in post, but that crops. And electronic stabilization is not needed for handheld static shots.
That's a pity. This would mean you crop 4k to a lower resolution.
@CameraRig The ZV E1 and the fx3 do not give you 4K to begin with - they do a 1:1 crop of the 12 megapixel sensor, which is then debayered, losing some resolution. The S5's and the S9 supersample 4K from 6K, so there is no loss. Higher resolution 4K results.
@@markr041 right, C4K is actually 8.8MPx and the FX3 has 12MPx. Interesting. Regarding image quality, I am not sure if the FX3/A7sIII are that much worse than the S5IIx. But the compressed formats on the Sony cameras are definitely a show-stopper. I shot a wedding in ProRes HQ, and I am amazed by its quality and how much it retains the original fine noise. Later you can denoise and get more of the details back.
and man, Davinci's stabilization is REALLY bad...
Premiere is not much better.
I filmed in 24p and some frames are just blurry because of the shake. So there is no way to improve. But in some cases, you can get some extra stabilization.
I don't film much in 4k60p, so I don't know how it performs there.
Final cut FTW!
I find "similarity" to be the best mode at least with relatively smooth footage to begin with. Perspective and translation are bad though.
@@lwrcs I will try that out. I use mostly Translation since it does not warp the image much.
And where are the test shots of you climbing the Wendelstein? 🧗♀⛰🍻
Haha! It was easier with the lift. 😂