One more thought on Mykelti-- she has drawn a clear boundary with Meri and will not interact with her, yet also seems unable to accept that her siblings are drawing similar boundaries with Kody and Robyn. It's pretty strange and hypocritical for her to go on and on about how she thinks the family MUST be one family again and put differences aside, and everyone needs all their moms... when she has cut one out. She only sees her own reason as valid, which (imo) is pretty on brand for Mykelti.
And, don't forget how Mykelti has said Kody was never abusive to Gwen when Gwen has said Kody has yelled in her face and left bruises on her on at least one occasion. Mykelti said that never happened. That's why I always say I'm gonna need some evidence of this abuse or hear about it from a less problematic child than Mykelti, Paedon, or Madison (Madison was too much of a bully herself when she was a teenager).
So true. This is my dad and ex-stepmom exactly. Lots of her trying to insert herself into his relationships with me, my grandmother (any woman, honestly) and playing the victim so my dad would pity her/be mad at us. My dad’s eyes weren’t opened until she cheated on him and claimed he abused her. A claim she made about her 3 husbands prior to my dad. Anyway, you nailed it. My dad burnt so many bridges for someone he viewed as loyal to him. He thought she was shy and needed protection. It was an act to feed his ego.
Kody always wanted to be the "fun" dad; the cool parent who comes and plays the goof and leaves for all the emotional parenting. Kody isn't tough - he's scared. He's afraid what they might say will destroy his identity. And he's a coward in general. It has nothing to do with loyalty (that's just bluster) but rather a scared, insecure manchild who doesn't like being in trouble.
Fair weather fopish oaf clown Father. Thats who Kody is. By neglecting his wives children. When he did show up. OG13 as little kids were happy to see him. As adults or teens not so much.
My biggest issue with the Mykelti/Meri thing is it's ok for Mykelti to exclude Meri from the zoom call for her valid reasons, but Mykelti thinks everyone else needs to get over their issues and come back together to function as a family. Ummm, no. You're feelings aren't any more valid than the rest.
I don't think the two situations are comparable, but I agree that Mykelti is beyond entitled (and kind of delusional) to expect people who have their own legitimate problems with each other to come together and just turn on the warm and fuzzies. And then deadpan with hoping there can be some grand family reconciliation.
No. Don’t put cuttings out an abusive parent on par with just not talking to people you don’t like. It’s disgusting to combine that. Look in families some thing can be let go other things can’t. It’s not like you forgive something and have to forgive everything or don’t forgive one thing now no one is obligated to forgive anything. Situation by situation is the only way to handle things. Don’t try to make one solution fit all there problems.
They lack resiliency and are heavily controlled - they’ll be unable to make good decisions after leaving that compound of God knows what happens inside. TLC is negligent in their production of this program, it really needs to be cancelled in my honest opinion. Robyn and Kody can sell their BS somewhere else because nothing is honest with that couple. We’ll never know the truth. Not ever. I was raised by a father who was born into an LDS family. My mother and we children were never LDS. He’s the exact opposite of the man that Kody is and I’m proud to say so. He loves all of us, our children and grandchildren with so much pride. He raised us to be independent and take no shit. Kody and Robyn are shameful excuses as parents and decent human beings. The dishonesty is enough to keep me from watching a final season, if it continues with them on it one more year, I’m gone.
Two thoughts 1. If Robin is putting so much effort into building relationships in the family, why were NONE of her kids on the gender reveal FaceTime? 2. Note Kody says : I know Tony and Mckeltie love US. He did NOT say and we love them.
Robyn constantly complains that her kids aren't part of family gatherings and this was a perfect opportunity for them to be present for mykelti's gender reveal.
I think Kody’s relationships are all transactional. If I am not getting something from you, I don’t need you. I also think he wants his responsibilities to be smaller and more manageable. He also wants to forget he was ever with 3 other women and had children with them.
Breanna and Aurora are basically isolated from the others and have seen Kody cut off and throw out anyone he perceives as against him. Of course they are terrified to say the wrong thing, the right thing the wrong way, etc…
Kody hangs on so tightly to Robyn (and her kids) because she's the only one who feeds his ego anymore. He's addicted to validation and adoration, so you know he's having awful withdrawls atm 😅
I have a theory that Kody was desperate for something to happen with his aging hair. If you look back at Aspyn's wedding time, his hair was simply awful, thinning, gray and way too long and frizzy. He looked like a mad scientist (I actually could not stand to see him that way). I think Robyn and his hairdresser, who we saw working with him and his desperation in another episode, came up with his golden-lock hair extensions, which he could attach to the few strands he has left. They shave the sides and then give him this stylized mustache thing and voila, he's Mr. Golden Doodle. He's so grateful to Robyn for that, he calls it "loyalty." Hahahaa.... yes, I think he's that inane.
In one of the recent episodes, we are told that Myketi was treated badly by the older kids and that’s why she went to stay with Robyn (was pulled out of school to be her nanny). My impression is that Myketi was difficult. Couldn’t get along with her Mom, Kody or some of the kids in the family. Now, years later this is presented as an excuse for sending an adolescent off to live with someone they barely knew. We weren’t told this until much later. Now, Myketi makes a living by hawking MLM crap and she’s trying to get screen time. Originally, she said she didn’t remember Meri treating her bad - she was told that by her siblings.
Kody triangulated the people in his life. He triangulated his first 3 wives, then Christine and Janelle with Robyn. When they left, he triangulated his kids and Robyn. Now they're stepping out of the triangle, so he has to amp up the vitriol. Kody loves an "us against them" situation. That way, he can delude himself that he's the defending hero when, in fact, he's insecure and immature. He compensates for his lack of self-esteem with an enormous ego.
Mykelti has always been portrayed by Christine and Kody as the 'problem child'. I think she interprets discipline from Meri as abuse and is bearing a grudge as she wasn't allowed to get away with anything with Meri
Christine Janelle never talked to Mariah that way. Garrison said to toddler Sol no hitting. Robyn went off on Garrison for being a parent to Sol. Yet she had Mykelti and Maddie and others watching the kids. Paedyn finds her abrasive and Maddie calls her a monster. I think certain kids got Meri’s wrath more than others. That said there are 18 kids they are not all going to love the adults all the same. Another thing having too many caregivers is terrible for bonding and can contribute to attachment disorders. Christine has said she often had to put another kid first before her own. Janelle seemed to care if Kody refused any contact with Ysabel and also pushed for him to go visit her in the backyard when she went to in person school in 2020 fall. We have seen Robyn yell at Maddie for thinking ‘wrong’. We have seen Meri yell at mykelti. I have never noticed Christine or Janelle yell at Mariah or Aurora and Breanna.
No all the older kids agree Meri was abusive even the ones who don’t talk to each other agree on this one thing. We also see Mari and her anger and control issues so it’s not remotely unbelievable she took her issues out on the other wives kids. Hell even jennelle mentioned getting abused by Mari in the early years and that’s why they never had a good relationship and couldn’t even drive to the therapist together. Wake up and realize you are defending a child abuser.
@DailyRollcall have you not watched Gwen’s videos she a narcissist just like her dad. She also claims her brother doesn’t like her cause she’s gay when he has never had an issue with gay people and get along with the gay spouses just fine. Also Gwen was really young at this point and still remembers Meri was considered scary to the kids.
There should not have been other wives to take anything out on. Polygamy is illegal and immoral. I’m glad the show exists cause now we know why it was criminalized a century ago. @@tracim3080
I think Robyn ia doing damage control at any cost and is using her children to relay the message . They look like hostages reafing a script . Kody made the gender reveal about himself ! His feeling , his sadness of being rejected! Such a ahole . Hes super immature. Grow up mate , its not all about you !
Kody doesn't say they love me and Robyn, he says they love Robyn. He has said over and over you can't just love me if you don't love Robyn you are out. He told Christine in the knife in the kidneys episode want a relationship with me but not her so you are not a good sister wife
I think that the Reasons Robyn gets emotional is to give the impression she is so upset and when in actuality she is the one that caused it , i think she also uses the crying for attention and honestly she uses it to escape having to answer some things .
Aurora's breathing was like when she had a panic attack on the show one time. It felt like she didnt want to do it and was having extreme anxiety reading her mom's script. It was obvious it wasn't Aurora's own words, correspondents??!!
For all of Cody's protectiveness of his and Robin's relationship, I don't think he realizes his kids are done with him whether he's with her or not. He has shown them who he is and they finally believe him. If he and Robin come to an end, he'll still be a narcissistic asshole, demanding adoration from a family he doesn't love, and who have no use for him and his foolishness. When Meri and Janelle's money dries up, it will be interesting to see if she books out.
Shes already hinted that she was looking for security for her kids and it looks like she achieved that goal in spades. The entire adoption thing was a farce, Kody didn't keep health insurance on his own kids, so why divorce Meri in order to adopt Robyn's kids on the pretense it was for insurance reasons. Fans know that one of the reasons all his other wives have had to file bankruptcy in the past was primarily to remove hospital debts and other fiscal irresponsibility. Seems to me it was more for the control to have Robyn's kids available for filming without the the issue of Bio dad saying no, it was also Robyn's way of sticking it to her ex when a judge stuck her with "her debt" and didn't make David pay for shopping addiction. Kody should have taken that in to consideration, because now when she leaves she going to blame the break down of the marriage on the other now ex wives and Kodys inability to see his behavior and responsibility for the family break down, she will portray herself as the victim yet again as she walks away with half of the assets, childsupport , the house and all the crap she bought using the family funds. Kody should have kept his convertible it would be a more comfortable to sleep in than under a bridge. She's pretty ungrateful considering it was the O G 3 that paid off her 30 grand plus debt she came into the family with.
very insightful comment. I agree 1000%. It kind of seems too that their dislike of Robyn is his buffer to taking any personal responsibility. He claims hes treating them this way because of how they treat Robyn, but most of his kids are innocent and have not been unkind to Robyn... like Savannah and Ysabel, and yet are still neglected by Kody. Hes just a bad father.
Mykelti forces interactions among the family in spite of the fact these events make them uncomfortable. When Christine gathers the family in Salt Lake City, Tony And Mykelti keep questioning Christine about her sex life. I think they do this because when Christine & Janelle and the kids got together in Flagstaff without them, they talked about Kody and Robyn. To keep that from happening when they get together in Salt Lake City, Tony and Mykelti dominate the conversation with inanities. The result of this is that whenever Mykelti and Tony are around, everybody else is uncomfortable. When Christine gathered the group together in Flagstaff, she said she wanted to create a safe space for the adults kids to talk. Any space which includes Tony and Mykelti is not. At some point I expect the rest of the family will become so sick of them they won't show up anywhere they are.
Adults have the right to decide whom they want in their lives. Kody’s adult children have the right to choose to have a relationship with Kody alone (or not at all). They aren’t wanting to break up Kody and Robyn, but find a way to have an adult relationship with their father, with their set boundaries and requirements.
Exactly!!!! The OG13 HAVE their own mothers!!!! These kids should be allowed to think of Robyn as their fathers wife....not as a mother figure. It's kind of mental that this "Robyn is your mother too" bullshit is the reason Kody won't talk to his adult children... If Kody wants a relationship with the OG13 kids then he needs to find a sane civil way to relate to Janelle and Christine...and Meri....these kids want THEIR mothers respected...because they love them...these ladies did ALL of the child rearing .
I think it's great that Maddie and her husband are protecting their children like they are. Kody is not a good influence in anyone's life. They don't need that type of negativity.
the interesting thing about the Mykelti Meri situation is some kids like her some don’t, just like the other moms. Gwen said she loves Meri along with many of the other kids. I, like most viewers, don’t trust Mykelti, although I do feel like she probably got yelled at alot by the adults and reports are bullied by the older siblings. Gwen recently discussed being bruised by her father’s “spanking” along with some other children and Mykelti went on to say that never happened, it’s not true… Mykelti moved into Robyn’s at 14 so whether she really did not know or she’s covering for her paycheck no one really knows, but yet another reason to question her “storyline”
Mykelti was bullied by the other kids too, which is how she bonded with Robyn. I call half truth. I think now that her siblings are bringing her into the fold, she will say anything
Man, i wish you could interview Meri along with each of the other wives & Kody. Youd be able to ask the right questions that isnt TLC trying to push a specific narrative.
I completely agree, that Mykelti feels she was verbally abused by Meri, however on a recent video she was very dismissive of Gwen saying she was physically abused by Kody. Whatever has happened in the past I hope they've all got lots of professional help.
This is a newfound perspective. Meri ATTENDED Avalon's gender reveal in Christine's backyard and was cordial. I think Mykelti has had a taste of power and is weilding it.
Aurora is in deep trouble and acts like a hostage - not surprisingly to this insane and inane ‘family’ unit that is Robyn and Kody . 100% NOT her fault . We need to be sorry for her just as we need to be for ALL of Kody’s kids - biological or otherwise . What a disaster to watch what Kody and Robyn have caused and what they have done to everyone; the utter losses Aurora is suffering from (recall her first family/father signed off on his parentage) and she probably now feels she better not piss off the narcissistic loser Kody for fear she will AGAIN be denied a father figure . What a mess . Not this poor gals fault in any way. The so called adults in her life have failed her and her other siblings miserably
Let's not forget the cringy. Purty talk. That Robyn said that basically I had my 3 older children which the wrong man. That was a mistake. So in a roundabout way , her first marriage and children were unwanted mistakes . Even by their mom Robyn.
I heard somewhere that Kody had a bad relationship with his own father, so he’s probably acting the same way with his kids that his father acted with him and can be so detached without making the effort to have a good relationship with them. He’s ridiculous.
Yeah I can see how Meri likely had a lot of frustration and sadness that she did not know how to handle, so she likely took it out on others. She seems to have grown a lot. I hope one day she can mend with the kids who felt mistreated by her.
NEXT TEASER 👉 Wait until you watch Kody try to rip Meri off at Coyotes Pass. His justification is crazy and what he says to Robyn in front of the camera (and Meri) says everything! Janelle’s respond to Kody’s swindling is epic!
“Meri has 1 kid, I have 18” Meri’s child is 1 of your 18. What a weird thing to say. Also, maybe half of those 18 are even on speaking terms with you, so quit pretending that’s relevant, Kody. He doesn’t want that family land for the 18, he wants it for his 5.
Exposed the entire lie that is polygamy. Those children are supposedly ALL of theirs. One dad and four moms. That’s what they’ve always said. So when convenient, and she is useful and makes money or helps the show storyline etc, then she’s a wife and mother. If not she is just extra baggage. Robyn only ‘birthed’ two children for old Kody … yet she is apparently THE MOST IMPORTANT PERSON in the group ahead of all of his children. So messed up.
Both Mykelti and Paedon have made accusations, but I have never heard an example from them. People on Reddit have said they don't owe us anything, especially their abuse for our entertainment. However, they have publicly made unverifiable accusations and expect us to treat Meri like she's guilty. IMO, it's another time where Meri is the scapegoat. She was the disciplinarian in the family so of course the two hardest kids are now complaining about being yelled* at for something. *I'm not saying yelling is okay.
They can’t. TLC would have to cancel the show. Maddie called her a monster too. I think it depends on which kids are near her kid in age and perhaps near the age of the miscarriage she had. People don’t go nuts on Leon and Aurora and Breanna, their kids off limits. Robyn and Meri on camera have berated Maddie, Mykelti and Hunter and more. Seems boundary violation to go at another’s kid when they don’t have the same liberty to manage your own. That said for 18 people all to be fine with 5 adults micromanaging them, all the kids are not going to look fondly on that. To be fair Logan and Aspyn carried a lot of weight too. Neither wants kids or are delaying as much as possible.
You're giving Meri too much credit. She has one kid and look how that turned out. Do you remember the episode where she freaked on the wives because they were trying to help her evacuate the fire in Flagstaff? How about when she was inadvertently left out of Maddie's baby's birth? They got two whole shows out of her immature and infantile response to that. The entire catfish thing, which she took very little responsibility for, she was just a victim. Robyn and Meri aligned with each other because they both have a victim mentality, but they're victims of the other wives, not Kody. But both have strange parenting styles compared to Christine and Janelle. A "hardest kid" is sometimes a really GREAT kid, and any parent who's perceived as showing VINDICTIVENESS could be a problem. We were only privvy to glimpses of Meri's parenting, but I was never impressed.
Meri was the victim of a crime with the catfish. Kody had not touched her in years nor done his time in her home while he minor child still at home. @@lbarmstrong1
Exactly. They use extreme words like " it was bad" but refuse to go into detail more on Myteyti tho I get it Paedon exposed the abused accusations without her permission and I agree she has a right ti set boundaries but it's the fact that she is in return making excuses for the abuse her dad does to Meri publicly and asked Robyn to chose between her and Meri again. She doesn't want to be around Meri that is perfectly fine, but adding on to emotional abuse, but then excusing her abusive father is rubbing me the wrong way. If you don't want anything to do with Meri then stop bring her up especially if you're not going to say exactly what she did.
Christine said one of the reasons she ended up altering her relationship with Meri is because Meri was especially rough on her kids. I think Meri did that because Kody was never as close to Christine's kids as he was with Janelle's kids. The sad thing with their unhealthy dynamics is that they did unhealthy things, hoping to find "favor" with Kody. They probably suppress their intrinsic values system so much, trying to get Kody's attention and love. Also, I gathered that Mykelti was unpopular amongst the kids, so maybe Meri targeted her the most. So many reasons why polygamy is damaging, especially when the patriarch lacks so many basic altruistic qualities. Then again, the whole doctrine of polygamy was probably based on selfishness and manipulation.
@@stephaniemccord6100 I agree, something just seems … off. Not putting her down at all. She seems to have that pollyanna way similar to her mom, but it seems more superficial and kind of fake … if that makes sense.
My dad and stepmom were exactly like Kody and Robyn..It was an unhealthy, traumatic childhood for me and I separated from that when I was old enough. I grew to understand them better when I was an observer and not entwined in their behavior. Sad to see it played out again with Kody and Robyn - those poor kids.
Can someone correct me if I’m wrong? Wasn’t it Mykelti who wanted to plan her wedding almost together with Madie’s? And they had to talk to her about it? I remember Janelle was not so happy that she was taking away Maddie’s time. Don’t remember what season that was.
My impression is that Meri can rage. She’ll be fine, then a switch flips, she sees red and is in an irrational rage. From what I’ve heard I think she may have some PTSD/BPD features from a traumatic childhood.
SW aired an episode where Meri was verbally abusive to Christine...I mean over the top abusive. It was so bad that I was surprised that they aired it. It was when there were forest fires threatening the surrounding homes and the family had shown up to help Meri and she blasted Christine, for simply asking what she could do to help. I remember thinking, "ahhh, here is the reason why there is such animosity between these sister wives. I think Meri is an abusive person and although I don't like how Kody has treated her and believe she deserves better, I think she has conducted herself horribly. I believe she facied herself as Kody's favorite and took power from that. She doesn't deserve abuse but I believe she has dolled it out in spades, thus why no one chooses to be around her
Maddison also once posted a comment about Meri being abusive. Paedon was clear the abuse was physical as well. Gwendolyn confirmed this. Mykelti was mentioned by the other kids as being one of Meri's targets. She made a statement just because she had been publicly called out by the other kids, but she seemed very uncomfortable and downplayed it and was as vague as possible. All these same kids have said Kody was physically abusive as well, however they all give him a pass and don't seem to want to hold him accountable in the way they do with Meri. This happens in polygamy - one wife will feel discarded by the husband and display reactive abuse towards the other wives and kids. Christine in the book mentioned that Meri was doing something with her kids and she regrets not standing up for her kids sooner. She has called Meri unsafe and refuses to have anything to do with her. These women are all victims of Kody, but Meri also needs to take some accountability for the harm shes caused.
Shouldn’t they all take some accountability for the harm each has caused? Abuse doesn’t happen in a vacuum. Christine has basically admitted that she was fine with whatever Meri did although she now regrets it. Where was Janelle during this abuse? Truthfully not one of these people have owned their parts in any of this.
@@mymia731 Yes, they all share some responsibility for sure. They all exploited their children as well for money, and then never paid the children anything. So there is that as well. It's a system of abuse though. Being a former cult member I can understand more how one can become indoctrinated into these systems and not realize it's wrong until later on. Of course they need to make amends once they realize it, but I don't see Christine or Janelle as there yet. Don't know if Janelle will ever get there, and Christine is at the very beginning. Meri actually seems to recognize it more since leaving Kody, so it would be nice to see her take some accountability and try to mend relationships.
This entire Mykelti drama is ridiculous when her own brother and sister don't talk but Leon was at Christine's wedding. Meri visited Logan and Hunter in Las Vegas and Janelle didn't talk to Meri for over a year. This entire family has problems and having this show didn't help. We will never know the real truth.
The show has depicted Meri as difficult personality. It not a far strength to believe that her sharing a husband with two others and infertility issues would make her resentful. She is parenting a classroom size amount of children that are not hers and shaky walking line of parenting while actually not being their parent. There has to be some truth to it because nobody really likes her expect for Robin, but they mention in the show she doesn't really call or see her.
Don't divorved parents do things with their sons without the new wife?. Like fishing, hunting, hiking. I can't imagine Robyn wants to do these things. Kody could do this with all his sons..Even camping on Coyote Pass. Kody doesn't want to, he wants everyonè sniffing Robyn's butt.☹🥺
Not only that, but if Robyn really wanted to be a “peace maker”, she and her children, or her alone, could call the other children and plan a lunch date just to talk and possibly say “I am sorry if you have ever felt I did anything to this family”. BUT… you know Kody would be PISSED thinking Robyn was taking sides against him.
Robyn is only a stepmother to the 13 kids. You do not have to like her to have a relationship with your Dad. Kody probably does not do things with the kids because he is lazy & does not want to put in the work. If it's not about his ego, he is not interested.
Mykelti needs to stop trying to rally everyone together as a family again. The older kids are doing what they need to do to get over their own traumas. Mykelti doesn't understand that??? She just needs to let everyone heal their own way and support them.
She does this to make Christine uncomfortable and she also needs the attention from Kody bc all of a sudden she has become the important person in the family. Regardless she comes off giddy about it all
The book they wrote also discusses how Meri was “too hard” of the other wives kids, and how Christine blew up on Meri for being to harsh with her children. As well as Meri belittling and being “abusive” with Janelle especially when they shared a kitchen.
There's a reason Christine & Janelle have struggled with Meri. She was mean to them, but worse she was mean to their children. Maddie said Meri was a "monster" when she was little. Gwen saw Meri go beyond verbal with Mykelti, though Mykelti said she doesn't remember that...Gwen saw Meri get physical. Paedon said how Meri treated some of the older kids was way beyond verbal abuse & he credits Robyn with stopping it. Kody never paid much attention until Robyn saw how it was & said it had to stop. Meri was a terror & seems to be reaping what she sowed....Thank you, Pop Psych❤❤❤!!!
And you don't think they were mean to her? I've witnessed both be cold and mean to Meri. Did you not see the interview where Christine admitted when she was pregnant with Aspyn she told Meri she hoped she didn't get pregnant...she said that to someone who struggled with infertility. And she said it to her because she wanted all attention on her. Gross. Christine and Janelle are not perfect angels. They seem like bullies to me. Even Gwen said the family is unfair with their treatment of Meri. Meri always did everything for all those kids. She even breastfed Maddie because she was failing to thrive and Janelle couldn't feed her.
Maddie was the first to out whatever Meri did to Maddie and the older kids in a tweet. She deleted the tweet, but many screengrabbed and wrote articles about the tweet. I dont doubt that Meri took out some of her frustration on the older kids. Before Lehi, they lived in a 3 bedroom trailer in Wyoming on Kodys dad's property. It was 4 adults and at least 6 kids before moving to the Lehi house
I understand that Janelle has said she was abused by Mary when it was just the two wives when they shared a house together before Christine came into the family ..some of the grown children have said that Mary's house wasn't a safe place when they were small ..
7:26 - Kody is still trying to pretend that nothing is or was ever wrong. He doesn’t realize that’s not the game that’s being played anymore. Old playbook. He knows of course but also I imagine he thinks of it as “women stuff”
Robyn is turning her daughters into herself. Victimized, manipulative, depressed, self sympathy. Those kids might have been better off with their dad. If Kody is at home like he is on camera is not good for any of those kids
He could have just put out a blanketed statement to everyone on the zoom. Like, glad to see everyone and I love you! He didn't even have to quiet the room for it just put it out there.
Paedon's comments about Meri said that what she did "went so far past verbal" and that Robyn coming into the family "saved" them, in the context of Meri, so at least one of the kids is alleging not just verbal abuse but possibly something physical
the juxtaposition of Aurora's hostage video and Christine's conversation with her brother showed how people can exist in the same space and have very different experiences. Aurora thinks her mother is the biggest cheerleader for plural marriage, Christine thought her childhood home was a happy one.
Oh wow, I did not catch the fact that Kody did not acknowledge anyone except doing a baby wave to Mykeltie's young one. You are so right-on about Kody. "Do not dare mess up what I am getting from her".
Kody & Robyn were grinning like idiots in an attempt to look friendly. Sorry they are both family destroyers. Did kody ever think ahead how publicly denouncing his 3 wives & kids would play out for him. He is despised.
I dont think the other moms were as "strict" as Meri. Both Christine & Janelle remind me of lenient moms whom dont follow through with consequences. I think the moms had much different parenting styles and Mykelti saw Meri as the rod.
Having seen how angry Meri got about circles when working on decorating the carriage house, I can only imagine how abusive she could have been to the kids if they misbehaved. I remember a clip in early years of Meri getting angry over a low cut top - and telling Mykeltie to change immediately Paedon and Maddie have also come out to say that Meri could be abusive - so I believe them.
Yeah, I find it incredibly interesting that sooooo many of both the kids AND adults have mentioned feeling "unsafe" around Meri... Even Christine, whom everyone adores, mentioned it last year. But so many people feel sorry for Meri because of Kody's treatment of her that I see too many ppl trying to defend Meri against these claims. Everything seems characteristic of what we've seen from her from the beginning. Including now she's denying there ever was emotional cheating ("i was CATFISHED, that's all! ")
@@msmendes214 You are completely right. This is the 2nd time I've questioned @PopPsych ability as a psychiatrist to read a situation. He seems to have this empathy for Meri that I don't feel is deserving. I'm not a fan of Mykelti either, but this stuff with Meri happened while she was a child and that is not OK!! I think there's a great deal of hurt and resentment there for good reason and Mykelti doesn't seem to want her children around Meri.
Kody is oblivious to anyone's issues if he isn't involved. He doesn't care unless he can use the information to get what he wants [i.e.- Christine doesn't like Robyn, so that gives me (Kody) a reason to be okay with her leaving].
Why would Kody say something to the kids on the zoom. That wasn't the time. He probably didn't want to start a fight and take the focus off of the real reason they were there.
I've been thinking the same as you, how could Kody not know how Mykelti felt, but I just realized that she posted that video in January of 2023 and the current season is only up to about fall of 2022.
It was my job to take care of my mom and to be on her side. So I could relate to Robin’s daughter who is not allowed to have her own opinion but to calling with her Robin and say the right thing
Aurora has intense anxiety and panic attacks. There's past episodes where she either was having anxiety or a panic attack and Kody literally picked her up and took her upstairs to her bedroom. Which makes me wonder why they would allow her to put herself in this situation. Maybe she wants to try and work on it? IDK
He produced the children needed for his eternal life. He doesn’t need or want a relationship with them. He doesn’t like them once they form opinions and point things out to him. He like them when they are little and have no understanding of what he is doing. He wants Meri and Janelle to stay spiritually connected but wants them to basically go away. This way he has his needed 3 wives. He’s disgusting.
about Aurora's hostage video, while it is good to learn that their captors are treating them in accordance with the Geneva Conventions, her assertion that Robyn has been the Great Facilitator isn't cringe-inducing, it's vomit-inducing. The number one job of a custodial parent is to facilitate the relationship her children have with the non-custodial parent, even if that means she provides the transportation back and forth and he isn't paying child support. If the non-custodial parent is in prison, she takes the kids to see him. If he is deployed overseas, she sets up the zoom calls. She does whatever it takes to sustain that relationship. Robyn didn't do that for her children with David Jessop. She's a horrible mother and Kody is a horrible father.
Christine's other child, Gwendolyn, said on her Patreon that Mykelti was also physically abused by Meri. But Mykelti says she doesn't remember that. Gwendolyn is a straight shooter and has no reason to lie about something like that.
If you watch season 15, you will see that the family’s break up was set in motion at that time. The most upsetting observation I made after watching that season, was that Cody created a rift in the family all around Covid and he never mentions, in any of the seasons during and post covid, that he and Robyn were not vaccinated. He never admits and even now he never mentions it. He refused to go to his daughter’s, and his granddaughter’s surgeries, and gave a million reasons why he could not attend, but the bottom line is, he could not fly, because he was not vaccinated! Cody’s and Robyn’s behavior were disgusting during that gender, reveal zoom call. They act like victims when they are not! They created this situation because they were not worth coming about not being vaccinated. So all of the concerns they had around Covid were not about the family it was about them and their own safety! They owe the family an apology and they could’ve easily just started interacting with everybody on that call and open the door to mending some relationships. In regards to Robyn’s kids; someday they will know that she has manipulated them and they have lost valuable time with people they love.
5:19 He’s also saying you get both of us or neither of us at all. That’s why it’s “I have a house for you to come over to”. He’s trying to force his kids to accept her or they don’t get time with him.
I really enjoy your unbiased and fair thoughts. I hope the OG3 and especially Meri watch your perspectives. You really are speaking directly to them and not about them in any disparaging way.
We’re pretty sure Meri did watch one of his videos and made a reaction video. He made a follow up video addressing her concerns and invited her to connect with him.
Great way of explaining the dysfunctional between kody and his children. He has taken such a passive approach where he leaves the burden with his kids. It is so upsetting to watch!!
Your comment about how a husband and wife need to have the same common direction and values is spot on. How does a husband do this with four wives? History of this family has shown us that you can't. The wives have disbanded. The adult children are now thinking for themselves.
Find it I find it interesting that Robin doesn’t let anybody film in her house. She keeps the kids away because she wants to protect them but then she puts the two girls out there to discuss her, so how is that protecting them? And when Robin was upset that a teenage boy was not excited about her being pregnant and that really bothered her. The both of them seem so immature childish maybe it’s narcissism. Maybe it’s the way they were raised sort of sheltered from the world. I don’t know.
A narcissist only needs one child to have a relationship with to validate them as a parent...except when it becomes public that the other children just can't do the narcissist. Then that brings anger - just because of the public embarrassment. I know a very narcissistic mother, who instead of reflecting on why some of her children couldn't attend her 80th, was so angry about what people might have thought.
Kody’s behavior with Robyn and the kids is very similar to what happens when a monogamous couple gets divorced and the father gets remarried to me. He’s been very much active like a monogamous person with mistresses for years.
What's interesting is Mykelti and Paedon say that Meri was verbally abusive but when Gwen their sister says Kody was verbally and physically abusive e.g. spanking leaving welts and throwing them us in the air when they misbehave. Mykelti and Paedon deny he was abusive though they confirm they were also spanked but just say he was a strict father. I wonder if their dismissal of Kody's abuse is cultural, like the Dad is supposed to be the authority and wives the nurturer, so Meri acting like Kody wasn't seen as normal.
You have to consider that most of the family seems do dislike or be indifferent with Meri. How could everyone be wrong? She must have made a pretty bad bed before they went public for her to be lying where’s she’s lying now.
There is a bonus scene from the round table discussion with the kids/Janelle/Christine from earlier in the season (I think it may be from Hulu) where the kids tell Christine what gaslighting means… I would LOVE to hear your thoughts on that one!
I enjoy the loving banter between you and Allison, but I mostly look forward to your solo reactions to the episode. I feel like we are getting more of your professional opinion. Thank you!!!
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One more thought on Mykelti-- she has drawn a clear boundary with Meri and will not interact with her, yet also seems unable to accept that her siblings are drawing similar boundaries with Kody and Robyn. It's pretty strange and hypocritical for her to go on and on about how she thinks the family MUST be one family again and put differences aside, and everyone needs all their moms... when she has cut one out. She only sees her own reason as valid, which (imo) is pretty on brand for Mykelti.
I think she does whatever to keep viewers in her patreon! She and Tony need to get real jobs to support their babies!!
The hypocrisy in that family is mind-blowing
And, don't forget how Mykelti has said Kody was never abusive to Gwen when Gwen has said Kody has yelled in her face and left bruises on her on at least one occasion. Mykelti said that never happened. That's why I always say I'm gonna need some evidence of this abuse or hear about it from a less problematic child than Mykelti, Paedon, or Madison (Madison was too much of a bully herself when she was a teenager).
My thoughts exactly!
Well said
Robyn's daughter's hostage video... that's exactly what it was..
Kody acts like he is the monogamous husband who bailed on his family to marry his side piece.
So true. This is my dad and ex-stepmom exactly. Lots of her trying to insert herself into his relationships with me, my grandmother (any woman, honestly) and playing the victim so my dad would pity her/be mad at us.
My dad’s eyes weren’t opened until she cheated on him and claimed he abused her. A claim she made about her 3 husbands prior to my dad. Anyway, you nailed it. My dad burnt so many bridges for someone he viewed as loyal to him. He thought she was shy and needed protection. It was an act to feed his ego.
He did. Basically.
Kody always wanted to be the "fun" dad; the cool parent who comes and plays the goof and leaves for all the emotional parenting. Kody isn't tough - he's scared. He's afraid what they might say will destroy his identity. And he's a coward in general. It has nothing to do with loyalty (that's just bluster) but rather a scared, insecure manchild who doesn't like being in trouble.
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Vulnerable narcissist
@@EmiliaJay And all narcissism is rooted in very deep insecurity.
Fair weather fopish oaf clown Father. Thats who Kody is.
By neglecting his wives children. When he did show up. OG13 as little kids were happy to see him. As adults or teens not so much.
My biggest issue with the Mykelti/Meri thing is it's ok for Mykelti to exclude Meri from the zoom call for her valid reasons, but Mykelti thinks everyone else needs to get over their issues and come back together to function as a family. Ummm, no. You're feelings aren't any more valid than the rest.
Mykelti acts and thinks like her dad
I don't think the two situations are comparable, but I agree that Mykelti is beyond entitled (and kind of delusional) to expect people who have their own legitimate problems with each other to come together and just turn on the warm and fuzzies. And then deadpan with hoping there can be some grand family reconciliation.
Rules for thee but not for me
No. Don’t put cuttings out an abusive parent on par with just not talking to people you don’t like. It’s disgusting to combine that.
Look in families some thing can be let go other things can’t. It’s not like you forgive something and have to forgive everything or don’t forgive one thing now no one is obligated to forgive anything.
Situation by situation is the only way to handle things. Don’t try to make one solution fit all there problems.
Such a valid point
I feel sorry for Robyn’s kids. They are being denied opportunities to learn skills needed to deal with life.
Yes, they seem so suppressed.
She's making them useless 😢
They're being raised in typical cult fashion.
You are so right! They look miserable and confused.
They lack resiliency and are heavily controlled - they’ll be unable to make good decisions after leaving that compound of God knows what happens inside. TLC is negligent in their production of this program, it really needs to be cancelled in my honest opinion. Robyn and Kody can sell their BS somewhere else because nothing is honest with that couple. We’ll never know the truth. Not ever.
I was raised by a father who was born into an LDS family. My mother and we children were never LDS. He’s the exact opposite of the man that Kody is and I’m proud to say so. He loves all of us, our children and grandchildren with so much pride. He raised us to be independent and take no shit. Kody and Robyn are shameful excuses as parents and decent human beings. The dishonesty is enough to keep me from watching a final season, if it continues with them on it one more year, I’m gone.
Two thoughts
1. If Robin is putting so much effort into building relationships in the family, why were NONE of her kids on the gender reveal FaceTime?
2. Note Kody says : I know Tony and Mckeltie love US. He did NOT say and we love them.
Robyn constantly complains that her kids aren't part of family gatherings and this was a perfect opportunity for them to be present for mykelti's gender reveal.
I think Kody’s relationships are all transactional. If I am not getting something from you, I don’t need you. I also think he wants his responsibilities to be smaller and more manageable. He also wants to forget he was ever with 3 other women and had children with them.
I follow Gwen on Patreon and she said whenever Robyn’s kids are doing an interview, Robyn is always there watching/ listening.
Interesting. I guess that says it all.
How suffocating to have mommy always watching & hanging on. The 3 older kids are ADULTS.
If you’re old enough to run for office, you’re old enough to do an interview by yourself.
Robyn needs to realize no one is falling for her BS. We see and we hear.
She’s always there when Kody does his couch work too
Breanna and Aurora are basically isolated from the others and have seen Kody cut off and throw out anyone he perceives as against him. Of course they are terrified to say the wrong thing, the right thing the wrong way, etc…
Kody hangs on so tightly to Robyn (and her kids) because she's the only one who feeds his ego anymore. He's addicted to validation and adoration, so you know he's having awful withdrawls atm 😅
I can see Robyn telling each child to go tell your dad how much you appreciate him.
Yes, his ATM withdrawals are miserable these days!😂🤣😅
Robyn surely is arranging a daily theatre production in their home to make Cody feel like a respected alpha.
I have a theory that Kody was desperate for something to happen with his aging hair. If you look back at Aspyn's wedding time, his hair was simply awful, thinning, gray and way too long and frizzy. He looked like a mad scientist (I actually could not stand to see him that way). I think Robyn and his hairdresser, who we saw working with him and his desperation in another episode, came up with his golden-lock hair extensions, which he could attach to the few strands he has left. They shave the sides and then give him this stylized mustache thing and voila, he's Mr. Golden Doodle. He's so grateful to Robyn for that, he calls it "loyalty." Hahahaa.... yes, I think he's that inane.
@@lbarmstrong1 KoVid Kody goes to the groomer . And gets a puppy cut. 💇🏼♂️🐩
In one of the recent episodes, we are told that Myketi was treated badly by the older kids and that’s why she went to stay with Robyn (was pulled out of school to be her nanny). My impression is that Myketi was difficult. Couldn’t get along with her Mom, Kody or some of the kids in the family. Now, years later this is presented as an excuse for sending an adolescent off to live with someone they barely knew. We weren’t told this until much later. Now, Myketi makes a living by hawking MLM crap and she’s trying to get screen time. Originally, she said she didn’t remember Meri treating her bad - she was told that by her siblings.
Kody triangulated the people in his life. He triangulated his first 3 wives, then Christine and Janelle with Robyn. When they left, he triangulated his kids and Robyn. Now they're stepping out of the triangle, so he has to amp up the vitriol. Kody loves an "us against them" situation. That way, he can delude himself that he's the defending hero when, in fact, he's insecure and immature. He compensates for his lack of self-esteem with an enormous ego.
You just described the actions of a narcissist….triangulation is a hallmark of a narc
Mykelti has always been portrayed by Christine and Kody as the 'problem child'. I think she interprets discipline from Meri as abuse and is bearing a grudge as she wasn't allowed to get away with anything with Meri
We saw the clip of Meri berating her for her choice of top. Huge boundary violation in my opinion. And it was about a top. What about the real stuff?
Christine Janelle never talked to Mariah that way. Garrison said to toddler Sol no hitting. Robyn went off on Garrison for being a parent to Sol. Yet she had Mykelti and Maddie and others watching the kids. Paedyn finds her abrasive and Maddie calls her a monster. I think certain kids got Meri’s wrath more than others. That said there are 18 kids they are not all going to love the adults all the same. Another thing having too many caregivers is terrible for bonding and can contribute to attachment disorders. Christine has said she often had to put another kid first before her own. Janelle seemed to care if Kody refused any contact with Ysabel and also pushed for him to go visit her in the backyard when she went to in person school in 2020 fall. We have seen Robyn yell at Maddie for thinking ‘wrong’. We have seen Meri yell at mykelti. I have never noticed Christine or Janelle yell at Mariah or Aurora and Breanna.
No all the older kids agree Meri was abusive even the ones who don’t talk to each other agree on this one thing.
We also see Mari and her anger and control issues so it’s not remotely unbelievable she took her issues out on the other wives kids.
Hell even jennelle mentioned getting abused by Mari in the early years and that’s why they never had a good relationship and couldn’t even drive to the therapist together.
Wake up and realize you are defending a child abuser.
@DailyRollcall have you not watched Gwen’s videos she a narcissist just like her dad. She also claims her brother doesn’t like her cause she’s gay when he has never had an issue with gay people and get along with the gay spouses just fine.
Also Gwen was really young at this point and still remembers Meri was considered scary to the kids.
There should not have been other wives to take anything out on. Polygamy is illegal and immoral. I’m glad the show exists cause now we know why it was criminalized a century ago. @@tracim3080
I think Robyn ia doing damage control at any cost and is using her children to relay the message . They look like hostages reafing a script .
Kody made the gender reveal about himself ! His feeling , his sadness of being rejected! Such a ahole . Hes super immature. Grow up mate , its not all about you !
Kody doesn't say they love me and Robyn, he says they love Robyn. He has said over and over you can't just love me if you don't love Robyn you are out. He told Christine in the knife in the kidneys episode
want a relationship with me but not her so you are not a good sister wife
I think that the Reasons Robyn gets emotional is to give the impression she is so upset and when in actuality she is the one that caused it , i think she also uses the crying for attention and honestly she uses it to escape having to answer some things .
As a perpetual step child, my feelings were never taken into consideration until way too late
It would be nice if he fought for his kids like he does for him and Robyn.
He never has (smh).
Aurora's breathing was like when she had a panic attack on the show one time. It felt like she didnt want to do it and was having extreme anxiety reading her mom's script. It was obvious it wasn't Aurora's own words, correspondents??!!
For all of Cody's protectiveness of his and Robin's relationship, I don't think he realizes his kids are done with him whether he's with her or not. He has shown them who he is and they finally believe him. If he and Robin come to an end, he'll still be a narcissistic asshole, demanding adoration from a family he doesn't love, and who have no use for him and his foolishness. When Meri and Janelle's money dries up, it will be interesting to see if she books out.
Shes already hinted that she was looking for security for her kids and it looks like she achieved that goal in spades. The entire adoption thing was a farce, Kody didn't keep health insurance on his own kids, so why divorce Meri in order to adopt Robyn's kids on the pretense it was for insurance reasons. Fans know that one of the reasons all his other wives have had to file bankruptcy in the past was primarily to remove hospital debts and other fiscal irresponsibility. Seems to me it was more for the control to have Robyn's kids available for filming without the the issue of Bio dad saying no, it was also Robyn's way of sticking it to her ex when a judge stuck her with "her debt" and didn't make David pay for shopping addiction. Kody should have taken that in to consideration, because now when she leaves she going to blame the break down of the marriage on the other now ex wives and Kodys inability to see his behavior and responsibility for the family break down, she will portray herself as the victim yet again as she walks away with half of the assets, childsupport , the house and all the crap she bought using the family funds. Kody should have kept his convertible it would be a more comfortable to sleep in than under a bridge. She's pretty ungrateful considering it was the O G 3 that paid off her 30 grand plus debt she came into the family with.
very insightful comment. I agree 1000%. It kind of seems too that their dislike of Robyn is his buffer to taking any personal responsibility. He claims hes treating them this way because of how they treat Robyn, but most of his kids are innocent and have not been unkind to Robyn... like Savannah and Ysabel, and yet are still neglected by Kody. Hes just a bad father.
Mykelti forces interactions among the family in spite of the fact these events make them uncomfortable. When Christine gathers the family in Salt Lake City,
Tony And Mykelti keep questioning Christine about her sex life. I think they do this because when Christine & Janelle and the kids got together in Flagstaff without them, they talked about Kody and Robyn. To keep that from happening when they get together in Salt Lake City, Tony and Mykelti dominate the conversation with inanities.
The result of this is that whenever Mykelti and Tony are around, everybody else is uncomfortable. When Christine gathered the group together in Flagstaff, she said she wanted to create a safe space for the adults kids to talk.
Any space which includes Tony and Mykelti is not.
At some point I expect the rest of the family will become so sick of them they won't show up anywhere they are.
The Christmas presents for Robyns kids and her reaction shows that they are not aligned in parenting. She just resigns herself to whatever he does.
I think we all love to watch this dumpster fire of a relationship because by comparison we all look sane and clean like the driven snow...
Adults have the right to decide whom they want in their lives. Kody’s adult children have the right to choose to have a relationship with Kody alone (or not at all). They aren’t wanting to break up Kody and Robyn, but find a way to have an adult relationship with their father, with their set boundaries and requirements.
Exactly!!!! The OG13 HAVE their own mothers!!!! These kids should be allowed to think of Robyn as their fathers wife....not as a mother figure. It's kind of mental that this "Robyn is your mother too" bullshit is the reason Kody won't talk to his adult children... If Kody wants a relationship with the OG13 kids then he needs to find a sane civil way to relate to Janelle and Christine...and Meri....these kids want THEIR mothers respected...because they love them...these ladies did ALL of the child rearing .
@@Buttercup312 Robyn is the quintessential stepmom. I had one of these monsters. Everything her way.
I think it's great that Maddie and her husband are protecting their children like they are. Kody is not a good influence in anyone's life. They don't need that type of negativity.
the interesting thing about the Mykelti Meri situation is some kids like her some don’t, just like the other moms. Gwen said she loves Meri along with many of the other kids. I, like most viewers, don’t trust Mykelti, although I do feel like she probably got yelled at alot by the adults and reports are bullied by the older siblings. Gwen recently discussed being bruised by her father’s “spanking” along with some other children and Mykelti went on to say that never happened, it’s not true… Mykelti moved into Robyn’s at 14 so whether she really did not know or she’s covering for her paycheck no one really knows, but yet another reason to question her “storyline”
Mykelti was bullied by the other kids too, which is how she bonded with Robyn. I call half truth. I think now that her siblings are bringing her into the fold, she will say anything
Man, i wish you could interview Meri along with each of the other wives & Kody. Youd be able to ask the right questions that isnt TLC trying to push a specific narrative.
I completely agree, that Mykelti feels she was verbally abused by Meri, however on a recent video she was very dismissive of Gwen saying she was physically abused by Kody. Whatever has happened in the past I hope they've all got lots of professional help.
This is a newfound perspective. Meri ATTENDED Avalon's gender reveal in Christine's backyard and was cordial. I think Mykelti has had a taste of power and is weilding it.
I had heard somewhere Mikelty and Meri fell out over Lularoe
@@shannanolan That was Maddie. It happened on Twitter.
@@L0C0visionthe apple didn't fall far from the kody tree.
Aurora is in deep trouble and acts like a hostage - not surprisingly to this insane and inane ‘family’ unit that is Robyn and Kody . 100% NOT her fault . We need to be sorry for her just as we need to be for ALL of Kody’s kids - biological or otherwise . What a disaster to watch what Kody and Robyn have caused and what they have done to everyone; the utter losses Aurora is suffering from (recall her first family/father signed off on his parentage) and she probably now feels she better not piss off the narcissistic loser Kody for fear she will AGAIN be denied a father figure . What a mess . Not this poor gals fault in any way. The so called adults in her life have failed her and her other siblings miserably
Stockholm syndrome
They have been denied access to their biological father. I would love to hear his side of the story. We all have heard Robyn’s. Raped, my ass!
Let's not forget the cringy. Purty talk. That Robyn said that basically I had my 3 older children which the wrong man. That was a mistake. So in a roundabout way , her first marriage and children were unwanted mistakes . Even by their mom Robyn.
Absolute trauma response. Let me be perfect and say the perfect thing, and I will be loved. I feel for all the kids.
I heard somewhere that Kody had a bad relationship with his own father, so he’s probably acting the same way with his kids that his father acted with him and can be so detached without making the effort to have a good relationship with them. He’s ridiculous.
Yeah I can see how Meri likely had a lot of frustration and sadness that she did not know how to handle, so she likely took it out on others. She seems to have grown a lot. I hope one day she can mend with the kids who felt mistreated by her.
Well said!
NEXT TEASER 👉 Wait until you watch Kody try to rip Meri off at Coyotes Pass. His justification is crazy and what he says to Robyn in front of the camera (and Meri) says everything! Janelle’s respond to Kody’s swindling is epic!
“Meri has 1 kid, I have 18”
Meri’s child is 1 of your 18. What a weird thing to say. Also, maybe half of those 18 are even on speaking terms with you, so quit pretending that’s relevant, Kody. He doesn’t want that family land for the 18, he wants it for his 5.
@@StephanieP-ie6un Bingooooo!
Exposed the entire lie that is polygamy. Those children are supposedly ALL of theirs. One dad and four moms. That’s what they’ve always said. So when convenient, and she is useful and makes money or helps the show storyline etc, then she’s a wife and mother. If not she is just extra baggage. Robyn only ‘birthed’ two children for old Kody … yet she is apparently THE MOST IMPORTANT PERSON in the group ahead of all of his children. So messed up.
Janelle should back meri she brought alot of money into that family too
I pray the OG3 have lawyered up....
Diesel Jeans went bankrupt in 2019, so Kody’s reference to Robyn being a “Diesel Jeans model” is more accurate than he realizes.
Both Mykelti and Paedon have made accusations, but I have never heard an example from them. People on Reddit have said they don't owe us anything, especially their abuse for our entertainment. However, they have publicly made unverifiable accusations and expect us to treat Meri like she's guilty. IMO, it's another time where Meri is the scapegoat. She was the disciplinarian in the family so of course the two hardest kids are now complaining about being yelled* at for something. *I'm not saying yelling is okay.
Mykelti, Paedon & Maddie❤
They can’t. TLC would have to cancel the show. Maddie called her a monster too. I think it depends on which kids are near her kid in age and perhaps near the age of the miscarriage she had. People don’t go nuts on Leon and Aurora and Breanna, their kids off limits. Robyn and Meri on camera have berated Maddie, Mykelti and Hunter and more. Seems boundary violation to go at another’s kid when they don’t have the same liberty to manage your own. That said for 18 people all to be fine with 5 adults micromanaging them, all the kids are not going to look fondly on that. To be fair Logan and Aspyn carried a lot of weight too. Neither wants kids or are delaying as much as possible.
You're giving Meri too much credit. She has one kid and look how that turned out.
Do you remember the episode where she freaked on the wives because they were trying to help her evacuate the fire in Flagstaff?
How about when she was inadvertently left out of Maddie's baby's birth? They got two whole shows out of her immature and infantile response to that.
The entire catfish thing, which she took very little responsibility for, she was just a victim.
Robyn and Meri aligned with each other because they both have a victim mentality, but they're victims of the other wives, not Kody. But both have strange parenting styles compared to Christine and Janelle. A "hardest kid" is sometimes a really GREAT kid, and any parent who's perceived as showing VINDICTIVENESS could be a problem. We were only privvy to glimpses of Meri's parenting, but I was never impressed.
Meri was the victim of a crime with the catfish. Kody had not touched her in years nor done his time in her home while he minor child still at home. @@lbarmstrong1
Exactly. They use extreme words like " it was bad" but refuse to go into detail more on Myteyti tho I get it Paedon exposed the abused accusations without her permission and I agree she has a right ti set boundaries but it's the fact that she is in return making excuses for the abuse her dad does to Meri publicly and asked Robyn to chose between her and Meri again. She doesn't want to be around Meri that is perfectly fine, but adding on to emotional abuse, but then excusing her abusive father is rubbing me the wrong way. If you don't want anything to do with Meri then stop bring her up especially if you're not going to say exactly what she did.
Christine said one of the reasons she ended up altering her relationship with Meri is because Meri was especially rough on her kids.
I think Meri did that because Kody was never as close to Christine's kids as he was with Janelle's kids.
The sad thing with their unhealthy dynamics is that they did unhealthy things, hoping to find "favor" with Kody. They probably suppress their intrinsic values system so much, trying to get Kody's attention and love.
Also, I gathered that Mykelti was unpopular amongst the kids, so maybe Meri targeted her the most.
So many reasons why polygamy is damaging, especially when the patriarch lacks so many basic altruistic qualities. Then again, the whole doctrine of polygamy was probably based on selfishness and manipulation.
And let’s not forget how Mykelti told Christine that she’d already told Robyn and Kody that she was pregnant. THAT was just weird.
Mykelti is weird and so is her husband. What the hell does he do besides eat tacos?
@@stephaniemccord6100 I agree, something just seems … off. Not putting her down at all. She seems to have that pollyanna way similar to her mom, but it seems more superficial and kind of fake … if that makes sense.
@@stephaniemccord6100haha exactly. Eats tacos makes babies and talks on patreon
My dad and stepmom were exactly like Kody and Robyn..It was an unhealthy, traumatic childhood for me and I separated from that when I was old enough. I grew to understand them better when I was an observer and not entwined in their behavior. Sad to see it played out again with Kody and Robyn - those poor kids.
He made no effort with any of his wives. They all (including the kids) had to cater to him and obey his rules.
Can someone correct me if I’m wrong? Wasn’t it Mykelti who wanted to plan her wedding almost together with Madie’s? And they had to talk to her about it? I remember Janelle was not so happy that she was taking away Maddie’s time. Don’t remember what season that was.
Correct. In fact, Janelle was pissed.
My impression is that Meri can rage. She’ll be fine, then a switch flips, she sees red and is in an irrational rage. From what I’ve heard I think she may have some PTSD/BPD features from a traumatic childhood.
SW aired an episode where Meri was verbally abusive to Christine...I mean over the top abusive. It was so bad that I was surprised that they aired it. It was when there were forest fires threatening the surrounding homes and the family had shown up to help Meri and she blasted Christine, for simply asking what she could do to help. I remember thinking, "ahhh, here is the reason why there is such animosity between these sister wives. I think Meri is an abusive person and although I don't like how Kody has treated her and believe she deserves better, I think she has conducted herself horribly. I believe she facied herself as Kody's favorite and took power from that. She doesn't deserve abuse but I believe she has dolled it out in spades, thus why no one chooses to be around her
Meri is an abusive person, even though she works so hard to appear normal.
Maddison also once posted a comment about Meri being abusive. Paedon was clear the abuse was physical as well. Gwendolyn confirmed this. Mykelti was mentioned by the other kids as being one of Meri's targets. She made a statement just because she had been publicly called out by the other kids, but she seemed very uncomfortable and downplayed it and was as vague as possible. All these same kids have said Kody was physically abusive as well, however they all give him a pass and don't seem to want to hold him accountable in the way they do with Meri. This happens in polygamy - one wife will feel discarded by the husband and display reactive abuse towards the other wives and kids. Christine in the book mentioned that Meri was doing something with her kids and she regrets not standing up for her kids sooner. She has called Meri unsafe and refuses to have anything to do with her. These women are all victims of Kody, but Meri also needs to take some accountability for the harm shes caused.
Shouldn’t they all take some accountability for the harm each has caused?
Abuse doesn’t happen in a vacuum. Christine has basically admitted that she was fine with whatever Meri did although she now regrets it.
Where was Janelle during this abuse? Truthfully not one of these people have owned their parts in any of this.
@@mymia731 Yes, they all share some responsibility for sure. They all exploited their children as well for money, and then never paid the children anything. So there is that as well. It's a system of abuse though. Being a former cult member I can understand more how one can become indoctrinated into these systems and not realize it's wrong until later on. Of course they need to make amends once they realize it, but I don't see Christine or Janelle as there yet. Don't know if Janelle will ever get there, and Christine is at the very beginning. Meri actually seems to recognize it more since leaving Kody, so it would be nice to see her take some accountability and try to mend relationships.
I think merri is the only one who takes accountability. She never tried to deny nor does she try to shift blame
This entire Mykelti drama is ridiculous when her own brother and sister don't talk but Leon was at Christine's wedding. Meri visited Logan and Hunter in Las Vegas and Janelle didn't talk to Meri for over a year. This entire family has problems and having this show didn't help. We will never know the real truth.
FYI love when you “get in the weeds” like you mentioned you were trying to avoid. It’s in those weeds where we get the cool psych perspective you have
The show has depicted Meri as difficult personality. It not a far strength to believe that her sharing a husband with two others and infertility issues would make her resentful. She is parenting a classroom size amount of children that are not hers and shaky walking line of parenting while actually not being their parent. There has to be some truth to it because nobody really likes her expect for Robin, but they mention in the show she doesn't really call or see her.
Don't divorved parents do things with their sons without the new wife?. Like fishing, hunting, hiking. I can't imagine Robyn wants to do these things. Kody could do this with all his sons..Even camping on Coyote Pass. Kody doesn't want to, he wants everyonè sniffing Robyn's butt.☹🥺
Usually they dump the old kids and focus on the new wife and kids.
Not only that, but if Robyn really wanted to be a “peace maker”, she and her children, or her alone, could call the other children and plan a lunch date just to talk and possibly say “I am sorry if you have ever felt I did anything to this family”. BUT… you know Kody would be PISSED thinking Robyn was taking sides against him.
Robyn is only a stepmother to the 13 kids. You do not have to like her to have a relationship with your Dad. Kody probably does not do things with the kids because he is lazy & does not want to put in the work. If it's not about his ego, he is not interested.
Mykelti needs to stop trying to rally everyone together as a family again. The older kids are doing what they need to do to get over their own traumas. Mykelti doesn't understand that??? She just needs to let everyone heal their own way and support them.
She does this to make Christine uncomfortable and she also needs the attention from Kody bc all of a sudden she has become the important person in the family. Regardless she comes off giddy about it all
The book they wrote also discusses how Meri was “too hard” of the other wives kids, and how Christine blew up on Meri for being to harsh with her children. As well as Meri belittling and being “abusive” with Janelle especially when they shared a kitchen.
There's a reason Christine & Janelle have struggled with Meri. She was mean to them, but worse she was mean to their children. Maddie said Meri was a "monster" when she was little. Gwen saw Meri go beyond verbal with Mykelti, though Mykelti said she doesn't remember that...Gwen saw Meri get physical. Paedon said how Meri treated some of the older kids was way beyond verbal abuse & he credits Robyn with stopping it. Kody never paid much attention until Robyn saw how it was & said it had to stop. Meri was a terror & seems to be reaping what she sowed....Thank you, Pop Psych❤❤❤!!!
And you don't think they were mean to her? I've witnessed both be cold and mean to Meri. Did you not see the interview where Christine admitted when she was pregnant with Aspyn she told Meri she hoped she didn't get pregnant...she said that to someone who struggled with infertility. And she said it to her because she wanted all attention on her. Gross. Christine and Janelle are not perfect angels. They seem like bullies to me. Even Gwen said the family is unfair with their treatment of Meri. Meri always did everything for all those kids. She even breastfed Maddie because she was failing to thrive and Janelle couldn't feed her.
Maddie was the first to out whatever Meri did to Maddie and the older kids in a tweet. She deleted the tweet, but many screengrabbed and wrote articles about the tweet. I dont doubt that Meri took out some of her frustration on the older kids. Before Lehi, they lived in a 3 bedroom trailer in Wyoming on Kodys dad's property. It was 4 adults and at least 6 kids before moving to the Lehi house
I understand that Janelle has said she was abused by Mary when it was just the two wives when they shared a house together before Christine came into the family ..some of the grown children have said that Mary's house wasn't a safe place when they were small ..
7:26 - Kody is still trying to pretend that nothing is or was ever wrong.
He doesn’t realize that’s not the game that’s being played anymore. Old playbook. He knows of course but also I imagine he thinks of it as “women stuff”
Robyn is turning her daughters into herself. Victimized, manipulative, depressed, self sympathy. Those kids might have been better off with their dad. If Kody is at home like he is on camera is not good for any of those kids
He could have just put out a blanketed statement to everyone on the zoom. Like, glad to see everyone and I love you! He didn't even have to quiet the room for it just put it out there.
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Paedon's comments about Meri said that what she did "went so far past verbal" and that Robyn coming into the family "saved" them, in the context of Meri, so at least one of the kids is alleging not just verbal abuse but possibly something physical
Maddie has also expressed that she was abused by Meri. It was a Tweet that has now been deleted.
the juxtaposition of Aurora's hostage video and Christine's conversation with her brother showed how people can exist in the same space and have very different experiences. Aurora thinks her mother is the biggest cheerleader for plural marriage, Christine thought her childhood home was a happy one.
Oh wow, I did not catch the fact that Kody did not acknowledge anyone except doing a baby wave to Mykeltie's young one.
You are so right-on about Kody. "Do not dare mess up what I am getting from her".
Kody & Robyn were grinning like idiots in an attempt to look friendly. Sorry they are both family destroyers. Did kody ever think ahead how publicly denouncing his 3 wives & kids would play out for him. He is despised.
Why is the abuse allegations on Meri and not on Kody? What is he doing is clearly Emotional Abusive to his ex wives and children.
I dont think the other moms were as "strict" as Meri. Both Christine & Janelle remind me of lenient moms whom dont follow through with consequences. I think the moms had much different parenting styles and Mykelti saw Meri as the rod.
Having seen how angry Meri got about circles when working on decorating the carriage house, I can only imagine how abusive she could have been to the kids if they misbehaved. I remember a clip in early years of Meri getting angry over a low cut top - and telling Mykeltie to change immediately Paedon and Maddie have also come out to say that Meri could be abusive - so I believe them.
Yeah, I find it incredibly interesting that sooooo many of both the kids AND adults have mentioned feeling "unsafe" around Meri... Even Christine, whom everyone adores, mentioned it last year. But so many people feel sorry for Meri because of Kody's treatment of her that I see too many ppl trying to defend Meri against these claims. Everything seems characteristic of what we've seen from her from the beginning. Including now she's denying there ever was emotional cheating ("i was CATFISHED, that's all! ")
@@msmendes214 You are completely right. This is the 2nd time I've questioned @PopPsych ability as a psychiatrist to read a situation. He seems to have this empathy for Meri that I don't feel is deserving. I'm not a fan of Mykelti either, but this stuff with Meri happened while she was a child and that is not OK!! I think there's a great deal of hurt and resentment there for good reason and Mykelti doesn't seem to want her children around Meri.
Kody is oblivious to anyone's issues if he isn't involved. He doesn't care unless he can use the information to get what he wants [i.e.- Christine doesn't like Robyn, so that gives me (Kody) a reason to be okay with her leaving].
Why would Kody say something to the kids on the zoom. That wasn't the time. He probably didn't want to start a fight and take the focus off of the real reason they were there.
I've been thinking the same as you, how could Kody not know how Mykelti felt, but I just realized that she posted that video in January of 2023 and the current season is only up to about fall of 2022.
It was my job to take care of my mom and to be on her side. So I could relate to Robin’s daughter who is not allowed to have her own opinion but to calling with her Robin and say the right thing
Aurora has intense anxiety and panic attacks. There's past episodes where she either was having anxiety or a panic attack and Kody literally picked her up and took her upstairs to her bedroom. Which makes me wonder why they would allow her to put herself in this situation. Maybe she wants to try and work on it? IDK
This right here. It is clearly terrible for her.
He produced the children needed for his eternal life. He doesn’t need or want a relationship with them. He doesn’t like them once they form opinions and point things out to him. He like them when they are little and have no understanding of what he is doing. He wants Meri and Janelle to stay spiritually connected but wants them to basically go away. This way he has his needed 3 wives. He’s disgusting.
about Aurora's hostage video, while it is good to learn that their captors are treating them in accordance with the Geneva Conventions, her assertion that Robyn has been the Great Facilitator isn't cringe-inducing, it's vomit-inducing.
The number one job of a custodial parent is to facilitate the relationship her children have with the non-custodial parent, even if that means she provides the transportation back and forth and he isn't paying child support. If the non-custodial parent is in prison, she takes the kids to see him. If he is deployed overseas, she sets up the zoom calls. She does whatever it takes to sustain that relationship.
Robyn didn't do that for her children with David Jessop. She's a horrible mother and Kody is a horrible father.
Christine's other child, Gwendolyn, said on her Patreon that Mykelti was also physically abused by Meri. But Mykelti says she doesn't remember that. Gwendolyn is a straight shooter and has no reason to lie about something like that.
If you watch season 15, you will see that the family’s break up was set in motion at that time. The most upsetting observation I made after watching that season, was that Cody created a rift in the family all around Covid and he never mentions, in any of the seasons during and post covid, that he and Robyn were not vaccinated. He never admits and even now he never mentions it. He refused to go to his daughter’s, and his granddaughter’s surgeries, and gave a million reasons why he could not attend, but the bottom line is, he could not fly, because he was not vaccinated! Cody’s and Robyn’s behavior were disgusting during that gender, reveal zoom call. They act like victims when they are not! They created this situation because they were not worth coming about not being vaccinated. So all of the concerns they had around Covid were not about the family it was about them and their own safety! They owe the family an apology and they could’ve easily just started interacting with everybody on that call and open the door to mending some relationships. In regards to Robyn’s kids; someday they will know that she has manipulated them and they have lost valuable time with people they love.
I think you hit the nail on the head. I feel bad for Robin's kids .
I am so pleased that a professional is commenting and really hope it will help all involved❤
This is the dysfunction of polygamy
5:19 He’s also saying you get both of us or neither of us at all. That’s why it’s “I have a house for you to come over to”. He’s trying to force his kids to accept her or they don’t get time with him.
I really enjoy your unbiased and fair thoughts. I hope the OG3 and especially Meri watch your perspectives. You really are speaking directly to them and not about them in any disparaging way.
We’re pretty sure Meri did watch one of his videos and made a reaction video. He made a follow up video addressing her concerns and invited her to connect with him.
Great way of explaining the dysfunctional between kody and his children. He has taken such a passive approach where he leaves the burden with his kids. It is so upsetting to watch!!
Tony is creepy af
Can you please make your videos longer I love listening to you and you advice/knowledge
Oh hey, welcome to STL! ❤ That’s my home. 🏠 I hope you enjoyed it. 😊
Your comment about how a husband and wife need to have the same common direction and values is spot on. How does a husband do this with four wives? History of this family has shown us that you can't. The wives have disbanded. The adult children are now thinking for themselves.
Find it I find it interesting that Robin doesn’t let anybody film in her house. She keeps the kids away because she wants to protect them but then she puts the two girls out there to discuss her, so how is that protecting them? And when Robin was upset that a teenage boy was not excited about her being pregnant and that really bothered her. The both of them seem so immature childish maybe it’s narcissism. Maybe it’s the way they were raised sort of sheltered from the world. I don’t know.
A narcissist only needs one child to have a relationship with to validate them as a parent...except when it becomes public that the other children just can't do the narcissist. Then that brings anger - just because of the public embarrassment. I know a very narcissistic mother, who instead of reflecting on why some of her children couldn't attend her 80th, was so angry about what people might have thought.
With the kind of person Kody is they all should stay away from him anyway.
Kody’s behavior with Robyn and the kids is very similar to what happens when a monogamous couple gets divorced and the father gets remarried to me. He’s been very much active like a monogamous person with mistresses for years.
Meri wasn't only verbally abusive but physically abusive and kodi as well.
When Robyn leaves Kody, he is going to crumble into dust.
I have not been wrong yet..lmao Robin is living in the valley of the dolls, using mommies little helpers
I got the impression it was more than emotional abuse.
What's interesting is Mykelti and Paedon say that Meri was verbally abusive but when Gwen their sister says Kody was verbally and physically abusive e.g. spanking leaving welts and throwing them us in the air when they misbehave. Mykelti and Paedon deny he was abusive though they confirm they were also spanked but just say he was a strict father. I wonder if their dismissal of Kody's abuse is cultural, like the Dad is supposed to be the authority and wives the nurturer, so Meri acting like Kody wasn't seen as normal.
100% agree with you on the parenting issues - Kody makes me sad how he treats his children, can’t even imagine how they feel 😔💔
You have to consider that most of the family seems do dislike or be indifferent with Meri. How could everyone be wrong? She must have made a pretty bad bed before they went public for her to be lying where’s she’s lying now.
He only cares about robbing and pencil gymnastics and money...he knows nothing about any of them
There is a bonus scene from the round table discussion with the kids/Janelle/Christine from earlier in the season (I think it may be from Hulu) where the kids tell Christine what gaslighting means… I would LOVE to hear your thoughts on that one!
It'd be nice if Kody watched this. Maybe he'd understand how to be a dad and to parent.
I enjoy the loving banter between you and Allison, but I mostly look forward to your solo reactions to the episode. I feel like we are getting more of your professional opinion. Thank you!!!
Saw the teaser for this Sunday… ohhhh boy!!
Honestly I stopped watching sister wives and just watching your reaction videos to get the interesting stuff haha love your content!