It seems funny to us but, realistically, this wouldn’t be funny at all. A rumor like that could have ruined Mrs. Patmore’s business and cost her her life savings.
@@nazgullord3198 yes you’re correct. I mixed up the 2 scenes! Mrs Patmore having a "house of ill repute" would be funny if it was true!!! But that being said, she could have flown under the radar if the 2 lovers hadn’t been caught!!! 😂
"Mrs. Patmore has been loyal to this house, now this house must be loyal to her." Proving once again that Lord Grantham has far more grace and forgiving heart than Carson. Thank God! 💜
@@mypersonalcamera7256 given he had literaly driven an underling to suicide that very same day I do blame him for his total lack of compassion for poor Mrs Patmore
@@DUCKDUCKGOISMUCHBETTER Carson once referred to that particular underling as “foul”, and living in a “revolting world.” As the time of this episode, Carson made him feel worthless and didn’t give him anything to do because Carson couldn’t wait to be rid of him. For you to say this underling DESERVED to attempt suicide is repugnant. Have your moral compass recalibrated.
@@davidthaler7018 Have your own moral compass calibrated! Mine is right where it should be. I am a sexual minority myself. But it does not alter my views on important matters. Nor should it. My "D" does not control my mind, as it does for you. Carsons views were/are the norm for especially that time, and including today, if you really get down to the truth with most people. And I would much rather have an honest enemy than a dishonest fair weather "friend." Unlike you, I do not want people to pretend to have views they do not really have deep down. And I am allergic to people seeking or giving fake "validation", just to be "giving it". I said Thomas deserved it, not because he was gay, but because he CLEARLY was a dastardly character. If you cannot see that, you are blind. I know you've got to have bad guys in a drama, or else you're not going to have much of a story, but that doesn't mean anyone has to embrace them. Nor does any sort of personal difficulty in their lives particularly, especially in this case, excuse very much or anything in their personal behavior. As for Carson, he was doing as instructed by his boss, to set in motion the trimming of staff expenses. He cut Thomas out of the work because that was what he was supposed to do. He didn't like Thomas, but Thomas was the opposite of likeable. And that was entirely the fault of Thomas, alone. Or Julian, if you want to be technical. If Carson had reacted to his knowledge of the personal proclivities of Thomas in ANY other way, he'd have been handling it in a completely fake way for the time period. In fact, the way Julian wrote Carson, he was FAR MORE accommodating to Thomas than the vast majority of people would have been, even 40 to 50 years later.
When Mrs Patmor started holding back tears it almost looked like Robert's first instinct was to move over and comfort her. The firmness he delivered that final "QUITE sure" to Carson made it clear he wasn't taking any more of his opinions on class.
A century ago you'd find the worst snobs among butlers, chefs and housekeepers. They were terrified of scandals and ill repute. But then the behaviour of their masters and mistresses reflected on the staff. Poor mrs Patmore. She entered a minefield with her B&B.... 🤶🥧🍪
@@marionarda2790 Poor Carson. Having reached the top of the household ladder, there's no way further. He has studied and adopted the attitude of the gentry. But he will never become one of them. Also there's no wife (yet). No children. So he mentally adopts the Crawley's first born, Lady Mary, and becomes her champion. Carson probably felt the injustice of Lady Mary's position in the family. Being "just a girl". Not an heir to Downton....
I remember seeing Anna and Mary giggle to poor Mrs. Patmore's plight and I was like "wow that's the first time I've seen snobbish Mary laugh properly" she even remarks "oh that's the first proper laugh I've had in ages!" later on
Everybody laughed at the situation. Anna, Mary, Cora, Robert, Rosamund and even kind Isobel and Violet (Dowager). It was an unfortunate but funny situation. And they were laughing and not hushing away at it precisely because they were not snobbish.
What made the Anna & Mary scene even more funny was that right before it, Carson is telling Mrs. Hughes that he doesn't want the story repeated upstairs. Oops.... 😄
I always loved the scenes where if a staff member was having trouble, someone in the family came through for them. It was such a toss up if you'd work for a compassionate noble family or if they'd see you as a piece of furniture. The support & care between the two halves of the house made it a great show.
I didn't care much for Rosamund in the beginning, but as the series went on, I found myself liking her more, and this was one of the scenes that did it
and that quick glance from robert as if thinking "are you ok?" i like how it worked out, even though the characters can be a bit at odds with each other, as long as they communicate it seems to work out, carson shows his loyalty to the family, the family shows its loyalty to mrs padmore, everyone doing what we hope/expect of them :-D though it is scary to think if rosamund hadn't thought of it nothing would have been done despite the well wishes of the family.
IIRC, in the first episode they weren't that close, but in the more than a decade that passed, they became best friends Enough so that Mrs. Hughes would send her on that little "errand" to Mr. Carson.
By watching Downton Abbey, you can see how much the granthams appreciates there staff by doing stuff that no other lords or ladies would ever done, this family with there staff are always close, just love Downton Abbey
4:24 "I´m sure there have been a few adulterers sat at the table upstairs." That´s the difference between Carson and Mrs. Hughes: She is an excellent housekeeper, but she also has a realistic and critical view of her employers. Carson, on the other hand, genuinely adores the upstairs family, and that is why Lord Grantham and Lady Mary have such affection for him.
Especially since Carson says “Thank goodness the Dowager isn’t here to see this” when the Dowager HERSELF almost ran off with Prince Kuragin back in the day - I wonder what the self-proclaimed guardian of the family’s honour Charlie Carson would make of THAT
Especially since Carson says “Thank goodness the Dowager isn’t here to see this” when the Dowager HERSELF almost ran off with Prince Kuragin back in the day - I wonder what the self-proclaimed guardian of the family’s honour Charlie Carson would make of THAT
@@saberthecoolest I can very well imagine Lady Mary and Lady Cora saying to each other: "rhank goodness poor Carson doesn't know about Grandmama's affair - that would be a terrible blow for him." 🤣🤣
@@Gwantsa368 He's old fashioned and even mean sometimes, but he's a decent person and nobody's perfect, especially in this show. I think he treats those who work under him fairly, and values hard work and honesty no matter the person's class or race. Here he just didn't want the family he's worked for so long to get into trouble, but he was being inconsiderate to Mrs Patmore.
The final smile from mrs. Patmore in the picture reminds me so much of my grandma’s. She is currently still alive, and having the chance to see her in characters and people I see elsewhere always moves me and makes me appreciate the person I have near me.
Who else kept searching in vain for a video of Mrs. Patmore saying “a house of ill repute?” And now it’s finally here! Good golly gumdrops what a turn!
Mrs. Patmore’s expressions plunged from delightful to frightful. I love that the family always kind & loyal to their staffs and treat them like family yet Mr Carson can be a snob!
@@sheilaburns8977 sure, by 21st century standards but this is how servant servants lived a hundred years ago. Being in service was not just a job, it was a way of life that meant leaving home and staying away for years, maybe the rest of your working life. The butler had to be a fair man but he wasn’t there to be your friend. Having been n the military I understand the parallel. I found a lot to admire about Carson.
@@itsabovemenow1016 including his last line in the video’ he pushed Thomas to suicide and still doesn’t give him any respect the least he could do is refer to him as the under butler NOT the footman as that hadn’t been his job for many years
Carson is honestly so tiresome in moments like this. Putting on airs and disregarding any and all kindness in favor of being a snob. Even Lord Grantham was irritated by his attitude. Carson has such great issue with anything undermining his masters and yet he tries to do so himself over a decision they made out of loyalty and kindness. 😒
Part of his character was always to show that he was trained to always do the what he thought was the right thing and he is a bit like an over protective dog when it comes to the family. I think his character is a man that cares deeply and struggles to show it in the right way. We do see some tender scenes, like his comfort of Lady Mary and his fondness for Mrs Hughes. I do agree however, that in this scene I very much was hoping someone would say “oh do shut up Carson!” 😁
@@mariafury1047 Oh the character is played well for sure. I do enjoy that when is being unreasonable, he is infuriatingly so. 😄 I suppose he also has to be that way to balance out the more "liberal" ways of thinking Downstairs.
@@mariafury1047 I know its subtle, but I feel like Lord Grantham does just that in the scene with Mrs Patmore in the Library as she's leaving. Carson certainly wasnt roasted over the coals to be sure, but he knew then and there that he had pushed too far.
Carson's role is to speak for the aristocracy and oppose the change, thus making the Family look good when they do good deeds 😁 someone had to be the "villain"
@@marionarda2790 Carson puts perception of propriety above all. He wouldn't have lasted for decades and risen to the top of his profession, had he let personal affection cloud his judgment. Not saying he is right, far from it. Just that he believes what he is doing is correct. I think Carson massively overstepped his place by trying to tell the family what they can and cannot do.
@@robertmoore6149 it lets it affect his judgement . Since he was wrong . I get where he comes from . But I think the writers went a bit overboard with his complete lack of compassion in season 6 , with Mrs patmore , his own wife and " the suicidal footman in the attic" ( who hadn t been a footman for a decade btw)
@@marionarda2790 I think Carson is used to being basically the Lord of Downstairs. And he doesn't like his perception or ways of doing things to be questioned, by anyone. (Including the family) However he is still stung when told no.
@@marionarda2790 I think Carson still sees Thomas merely as a footman, regardless of his status or his prior attempts to mend his ways. But, to be fair, later in the episode, Carson does keep Thomas in the house to give him some relief about his future, and he admits to Lord Grantham his guilt about viewing him as nothing more than a heartless opportunist. Carson has a heart, he just prefers that nobody sees it.
Downton Abbey is one of my all time series. The one thing of the show is very upsetting is Anna’s attack. That just makes me so sad.😭😭 but Samantha Bond in Downton Abbey and Lily James were great additions!!
While I'm happy to see him called out, I actually suspect that this incident was more consistent with how Mr Carson viewed Ethel than an issue of a lack of courage
Carson puts the Crawleys up on a pedestal as he would have to as a butler. It has nothing to do with having no backbone. It has to do with him wanting to keep the family away from scandal. Adultery, children out of wedlock, divorce and such was a huge deal back then.
@@itsabovemenow1016 - That's literally him having no figurative backbone. It's Carson thinking the family is fragile. A plant that does not grow fighting the wind will grow up weak.
I'm laughing at Mrs, Patmore's unimpressed look and hand on her hip when Carson budges into her conversation with Mrs. Hughes. If looks could kill, Carson would be six feet under the ground lol.
This storyline cracks me up for a couple of reasons. Firstly Mrs Patmore is a superb character and the concept of her up to funny business us comical. Secondly I live quite close to the real Haughton le Skerne. It's a nice little place hear Darlington. Whenever I pass through I wonder if any if the houses are houses of ill repute.
@Gerard Collins - Not to argue but, rather to converse about the matter, I think this is a cleaned-up approximation of what would have been expected in this post-Edwardian era. After Edward VII's well-documented affairs with women like Lillie Langtry, and before the ongoing dissipations of Edward VIII with Wallis Simpson and so many others, it was not shocking for the royals. However, the aristocracy worried more that their titles might be revoked if the monarch felt there was real profligacy afoot that could weaken the hold of the ruling classes on property, loyalties. However, in the village the impostor and his inamorata pretending to be a local physician and his wife would have been quite the scandal when the divorce papers hit the news. And in accordance with "you are known by the company you keep," the B&B would have come to be known as a nice "back street" sort of place for illicit lovers to meet without fear of the town's most virtuous or aristocratic personages broadcasting it as self-appointed town criers, assuring no one missed there were others than David, Prince of Wales, who were getting all sorts of action. Things were changing after WWI, but not so fast that the local villagers in most places would benefit from changes.
I think people need to read more of Charles Dickens. Granted, a fair number of his characters would have been the seniors or contemporaries of Lady Violet or Lord Grantham, but I think he quite proves that "scandal" is not everything and that people of good will could and would assist one another and were generally better thought of than the painted plaster paragorgons who were quick to talk about morality, but could not apply it to any but the most simplistic of situations. Another example of this would be the novel Silas Marner.
I hope everyone in that black and white photo has it framed in their house it's beautiful as though it were from the exact era. The Downton Abbey hair and makeup team were brilliant.
When I first watched this episode and they were planning to go to tea at "the house of ill repute" I knew Carson would blow a fuse at the idea! 😂😂😂😂 How he went on and on kills me😩😩😩😂😂😂😂😂😂
Mrs. Hughes made a very good point that there had been quite a few adulterers sitting at the table upstairs. Mr. Carson was the biggest snob in the show.
Noblesse oblige is a term where the rich give of their bounty to the working class and the poor. Nowadays it's said with a negative connotation--like the rich stoop down to help. But originally it had a positive connotation--the rich helping out those less fortunate than them, thereby creating a better society. This scene is soooo that original meaning of noblesse oblige.
That’s because Downton is royalist propaganda. I love it but that doesn’t change the fact that it is purposely painting the wealthy aristocrats in the best possible light. Noblesse oblige IS a negative term, because it never functioned the way Downton implies. “Special rich people feel-good charity” never solved anything like simply paying your fair share of taxes does.
Are there any examples in real life where a wealthy family put its public reputation on the line to protect a servant? I can't see the events in this video playing out in real life.
3:03 even Cora sounded so disappointed in Carson. He needed to be put in his place for his snobbish attitude and told by Lord Grantham that Mrs Patmore needed help after her loyalty to the house and how kind they were to support her troubles by having tea at her bed and breakfast.
Didn't that police sergeant dance with Mrs. Patmore at some downstairs celebration? I think he was a little sweet on Mrs. Patmore and was very uncomfortable having to explain the issue to her and so beat a hasty retreat.
Yes, he danced with her when he brought the news that Anna was in the clear for Green's death. He might have liked her, but the topic would have been uncomfortable for any man to discuss with a woman in those days. 😀
Mr Carson is out of line. It isnt his place to say what the family does. It was the idea of the family to go. Mrs Hughes was asked questions and responded without offering any suggestions as to a course of action.
Oh poor Mrs Patmore! The reactions of the others is so funny, as they try to not laugh in front of her. When I watch this I always notice the condescending tone and words Robert uses when talking to Cora. "Of course he is leaving" etc.
The way Mrs Patmore tries to hide behind them and Robert and Cora firmly push her to the front for the photograph.😆
You know it's funny if Mrs. Hughes snickered. Definitely Mrs. Patmore's funniest storyline. The family was so sweet to help her out
It was more than sweet. It was a matter of saving the retirement plan of one of their most important and loyal employees.
The cut to Lady Mary and Anna cracking up in Mary's room was the funniest! 😄
It seems funny to us but, realistically, this wouldn’t be funny at all. A rumor like that could have ruined Mrs. Patmore’s business and cost her her life savings.
They left out Lady Mary laughing after being told by Anna that Mrs. Pattimore’s B&B is a “house of ill repute.”
5:14 it is so sweet qnd funny to see Cora and Robert push Mrs. Patmore forward for the photograph
Mrs Hughes trying her hardest not to burst out laughing there and then is everything
You mean in the library? I think she was about to cry in gratitude. I certainly did.
@@annec6200 I said Mrs Hughes. Not Mrs Patmore.
@@nazgullord3198 yes you’re correct. I mixed up the 2 scenes!
Mrs Patmore having a "house of ill repute" would be funny if it was true!!! But that being said, she could have flown under the radar if the 2 lovers hadn’t been caught!!! 😂
Hearing Mr Carson saying “brewhaha” is one of the funniest things I’ve heard and I don’t know why lol
Also Mrs. Patmore's "he means me" was gold as well. And i dont know why as well 😂
"Mrs. Patmore has been loyal to this house, now this house must be loyal to her." Proving once again that Lord Grantham has far more grace and forgiving heart than Carson. Thank God! 💜
but we can't blame carson. it's his job protecting the honour of the crawley family
@@mypersonalcamera7256 given he had literaly driven an underling to suicide that very same day I do blame him for his total lack of compassion for poor Mrs Patmore
@@marionarda2790 That particular underling very much had it coming. He was dastardly.
@@DUCKDUCKGOISMUCHBETTER Carson once referred to that particular underling as “foul”, and living in a “revolting world.” As the time of this episode, Carson made him feel worthless and didn’t give him anything to do because Carson couldn’t wait to be rid of him.
For you to say this underling DESERVED to attempt suicide is repugnant. Have your moral compass recalibrated.
@@davidthaler7018 Have your own moral compass calibrated! Mine is right where it should be.
I am a sexual minority myself. But it does not alter my views on important matters. Nor should it. My "D" does not control my mind, as it does for you.
Carsons views were/are the norm for especially that time, and including today, if you really get down to the truth with most people. And I would much rather have an honest enemy than a dishonest fair weather "friend."
Unlike you, I do not want people to pretend to have views they do not really have deep down. And I am allergic to people seeking or giving fake "validation", just to be "giving it".
I said Thomas deserved it, not because he was gay, but because he CLEARLY was a dastardly character. If you cannot see that, you are blind. I know you've got to have bad guys in a drama, or else you're not going to have much of a story, but that doesn't mean anyone has to embrace them. Nor does any sort of personal difficulty in their lives particularly, especially in this case, excuse very much or anything in their personal behavior.
As for Carson, he was doing as instructed by his boss, to set in motion the trimming of staff expenses. He cut Thomas out of the work because that was what he was supposed to do. He didn't like Thomas, but Thomas was the opposite of likeable. And that was entirely the fault of Thomas, alone. Or Julian, if you want to be technical.
If Carson had reacted to his knowledge of the personal proclivities of Thomas in ANY other way, he'd have been handling it in a completely fake way for the time period. In fact, the way Julian wrote Carson, he was FAR MORE accommodating to Thomas than the vast majority of people would have been, even 40 to 50 years later.
When Mrs Patmor started holding back tears it almost looked like Robert's first instinct was to move over and comfort her.
The firmness he delivered that final "QUITE sure" to Carson made it clear he wasn't taking any more of his opinions on class.
A century ago you'd find the worst snobs among butlers, chefs and housekeepers.
They were terrified of scandals and ill repute.
But then the behaviour of their masters and mistresses reflected on the staff.
Poor mrs Patmore.
She entered a minefield with her B&B.... 🤶🥧🍪
Carson can only find compassion for Lady Mary . The rest can burn
@@marionarda2790
Poor Carson.
Having reached the top of the household ladder, there's no way further.
He has studied and adopted the attitude of the gentry.
But he will never become one of them.
Also there's no wife (yet).
No children.
So he mentally adopts the Crawley's first born, Lady Mary, and becomes her champion.
Carson probably felt the injustice of Lady Mary's position in the family.
Being "just a girl".
Not an heir to Downton....
@@marionarda2790 that's not true, he also loves Lord Grantham to a parasocial degree.
@@Miss-Nadia he worships him . Not love
I remember seeing Anna and Mary giggle to poor Mrs. Patmore's plight and I was like "wow that's the first time I've seen snobbish Mary laugh properly" she even remarks "oh that's the first proper laugh I've had in ages!" later on
Somehow, I found that scene is very well-written. Like every characters know each others so well.
Everybody laughed at the situation. Anna, Mary, Cora, Robert, Rosamund and even kind Isobel and Violet (Dowager). It was an unfortunate but funny situation. And they were laughing and not hushing away at it precisely because they were not snobbish.
What made the Anna & Mary scene even more funny was that right before it, Carson is telling Mrs. Hughes that he doesn't want the story repeated upstairs. Oops.... 😄
That scene was left out of this video.
I can't get enough of Mrs. Patmore, one of my most favorite characters. She may be short, but that feisty tongue packs a pow. 😘💪👏😭
She is amazing!
Oh yes she’s so sweet
DO I LOOK like a FROLICKER!?!
I always loved the scenes where if a staff member was having trouble, someone in the family came through for them. It was such a toss up if you'd work for a compassionate noble family or if they'd see you as a piece of furniture. The support & care between the two halves of the house made it a great show.
I've been saying this throughout the entire show. I wish we had more employers like the Grantham family
"He means me."
I want to hug you, Mrs. Patmore
I didn't care much for Rosamund in the beginning, but as the series went on, I found myself liking her more, and this was one of the scenes that did it
3:27 That quiver in her astonishment and thanks, is so endearing
Reminiscent of when they said they'd pay for her eye surgery and she apologized for needing to sit in their presence. 💖
Yes! That was so cute!
and that quick glance from robert as if thinking "are you ok?"
i like how it worked out, even though the characters can be a bit at odds with each other, as long as they communicate it seems to work out, carson shows his loyalty to the family, the family shows its loyalty to mrs padmore, everyone doing what we hope/expect of them :-D though it is scary to think if rosamund hadn't thought of it nothing would have been done despite the well wishes of the family.
Brought tears to my eyes.
It is funny. I love the friendship between Mrs. Hughes and Mrs. Patmore
I love scenes between Mrs Patmore, Mrs Hughes, and Carson.
IIRC, in the first episode they weren't that close, but in the more than a decade that passed, they became best friends Enough so that Mrs. Hughes would send her on that little "errand" to Mr. Carson.
They became like sisters: their interacctions reminded me of those of my mother and aunt.
those two women are the heart and soul of the staff
By watching Downton Abbey, you can see how much the granthams appreciates there staff by doing stuff that no other lords or ladies would ever done, this family with there staff are always close, just love Downton Abbey
4:24 "I´m sure there have been a few adulterers sat at the table upstairs." That´s the difference between Carson and Mrs. Hughes: She is an excellent housekeeper, but she also has a realistic and critical view of her employers. Carson, on the other hand, genuinely adores the upstairs family, and that is why Lord Grantham and Lady Mary have such affection for him.
He’s a snob, and at times heartless and unjust towards ‘his kind of people’.
Especially since Carson says “Thank goodness the Dowager isn’t here to see this” when the Dowager HERSELF almost ran off with Prince Kuragin back in the day - I wonder what the self-proclaimed guardian of the family’s honour Charlie Carson would make of THAT
Especially since Carson says “Thank goodness the Dowager isn’t here to see this” when the Dowager HERSELF almost ran off with Prince Kuragin back in the day - I wonder what the self-proclaimed guardian of the family’s honour Charlie Carson would make of THAT
@@saberthecoolest I can very well imagine Lady Mary and Lady Cora saying to each other: "rhank goodness poor Carson doesn't know about Grandmama's affair - that would be a terrible blow for him." 🤣🤣
@@Gwantsa368 He's old fashioned and even mean sometimes, but he's a decent person and nobody's perfect, especially in this show.
I think he treats those who work under him fairly, and values hard work and honesty no matter the person's class or race. Here he just didn't want the family he's worked for so long to get into trouble, but he was being inconsiderate to Mrs Patmore.
The final smile from mrs. Patmore in the picture reminds me so much of my grandma’s. She is currently still alive, and having the chance to see her in characters and people I see elsewhere always moves me and makes me appreciate the person I have near me.
I love how Cora pushes her forward! 😂
Her performance when Robert stands up for her is breath taking! Those small moments is what makes the show super well done!
I very much like Rosamund, she is such a protective (to her nieces) and benevolent person.
Who else kept searching in vain for a video of Mrs. Patmore saying “a house of ill repute?” And now it’s finally here! Good golly gumdrops what a turn!
"He means me." always cracked me up lmao.
The little shove Lord Crawley gives Mrs. Patmore for the picture just made the whole scene!
Mrs. Patmore’s expressions plunged from delightful to frightful. I love that the family always kind & loyal to their staffs and treat them like family yet Mr Carson can be a snob!
He sees himself as the gatekeeper of sorts. Like Daisy can't address them without permission, but he can.
A nice job for the family to stand behind and support their cook. Way to go. Thank you for sharing.
Lord Grantham is such a good man. And Mrs Patmore looked like she might cry right there. I so love this show.
Lord Grantham pushing Mrs Patmore to the front of the photo-op is . . . chef's kiss.
Robert really came a long way from earlier in the show, 3 seasons ago he would have instantly objected to the idea of having tea there
Carson can be such an insufferable snob.
Good butlers are by nature snobs. They'd have to be snobs to be the kind of person who'd be so devoted and protective of the aristocrats
I agree. Too many times he showed no kindness or loyalty to his peers. Not one of my favorite characters. PEACE.
@@sheilaburns8977 sure, by 21st century standards but this is how servant servants lived a hundred years ago. Being in service was not just a job, it was a way of life that meant leaving home and staying away for years, maybe the rest of your working life. The butler had to be a fair man but he wasn’t there to be your friend. Having been n the military I understand the parallel. I found a lot to admire about Carson.
@@itsabovemenow1016 I think he was arrogant and downright cruel just look at how he treated Thomas in season 6
@@itsabovemenow1016 including his last line in the video’ he pushed Thomas to suicide and still doesn’t give him any respect the least he could do is refer to him as the under butler NOT the footman as that hadn’t been his job for many years
One of my favorite moment in all of Downtown Abbey. Poor Mrs. Pattmore "a house of ill repute?"🤭
Love and miss The Downton Abbey Family ❣️
Carson is honestly so tiresome in moments like this. Putting on airs and disregarding any and all kindness in favor of being a snob.
Even Lord Grantham was irritated by his attitude. Carson has such great issue with anything undermining his masters and yet he tries to do so himself over a decision they made out of loyalty and kindness. 😒
He definitely became harsher and less likeable in the later seasons.
Part of his character was always to show that he was trained to always do the what he thought was the right thing and he is a bit like an over protective dog when it comes to the family. I think his character is a man that cares deeply and struggles to show it in the right way. We do see some tender scenes, like his comfort of Lady Mary and his fondness for Mrs Hughes. I do agree however, that in this scene I very much was hoping someone would say “oh do shut up Carson!” 😁
@@mariafury1047 Oh the character is played well for sure. I do enjoy that when is being unreasonable, he is infuriatingly so. 😄
I suppose he also has to be that way to balance out the more "liberal" ways of thinking Downstairs.
@@mariafury1047 I know its subtle, but I feel like Lord Grantham does just that in the scene with Mrs Patmore in the Library as she's leaving. Carson certainly wasnt roasted over the coals to be sure, but he knew then and there that he had pushed too far.
Carson's role is to speak for the aristocracy and oppose the change, thus making the Family look good when they do good deeds 😁 someone had to be the "villain"
Poor Mrs Patmore. Here she is watching her life savings and dreams go under through no fault of her own.
And zero compassion for carson as usual .
@@marionarda2790 Carson puts perception of propriety above all. He wouldn't have lasted for decades and risen to the top of his profession, had he let personal affection cloud his judgment. Not saying he is right, far from it. Just that he believes what he is doing is correct. I think Carson massively overstepped his place by trying to tell the family what they can and cannot do.
@@robertmoore6149 it lets it affect his judgement . Since he was wrong . I get where he comes from . But I think the writers went a bit overboard with his complete lack of compassion in season 6 , with Mrs patmore , his own wife and " the suicidal footman in the attic" ( who hadn t been a footman for a decade btw)
@@marionarda2790 I think Carson is used to being basically the Lord of Downstairs. And he doesn't like his perception or ways of doing things to be questioned, by anyone. (Including the family) However he is still stung when told no.
@@marionarda2790 I think Carson still sees Thomas merely as a footman, regardless of his status or his prior attempts to mend his ways. But, to be fair, later in the episode, Carson does keep Thomas in the house to give him some relief about his future, and he admits to Lord Grantham his guilt about viewing him as nothing more than a heartless opportunist. Carson has a heart, he just prefers that nobody sees it.
Mrs. Patmore is my favorite Downton character. So happy Leslie Nichols got to play such a fun character!
Downton Abbey is one of my all time series. The one thing of the show is very upsetting is Anna’s attack. That just makes me so sad.😭😭 but Samantha Bond in Downton Abbey and Lily James were great additions!!
Samantha Bond is ALWAYS a win!
Quite! Downton can be so comforting and comfort-taking at the same time 😂 Yes, Anna's attack had me sleepless for nights 😔
3:10 Finally someone calls out Mr. Carson for not ever having a backbone.
While I'm happy to see him called out, I actually suspect that this incident was more consistent with how Mr Carson viewed Ethel than an issue of a lack of courage
@@forgottenfamily not lack of courage. Lack of compassion
Carson puts the Crawleys up on a pedestal as he would have to as a butler. It has nothing to do with having no backbone. It has to do with him wanting to keep the family away from scandal. Adultery, children out of wedlock, divorce and such was a huge deal back then.
@@itsabovemenow1016 - That's literally him having no figurative backbone. It's Carson thinking the family is fragile. A plant that does not grow fighting the wind will grow up weak.
@@jpaxonreyes Uh… it’s 1924.
Here I am teary-eyed. There are still kind and loving people like this in the world, despite all the bad news.
I miss this show. I enjoyed it so much.
I have to admit, this show is adorable
Mrs Patmore had invested a lot in this house.. And that investment must not go down the drain.... A true getleman by status and heart.
Every time the words, " House of Ill Repute" was said, I can't help myself but laugh. I imagine it was somewhat difficult for the cast to get through.
There was a scene that Daisy mentions again: “a house of ill repute,” and Mrs. Pattimore replies: “I know what it means, thank you.” Hilarious
😂😂😂 how an adulterous couple staying at an inn gets blown up into the inn being a “House of Ill Repute!” 😂😂🤣🤣 a bed, breakfast & brothel! 😮
Ahhh, so charming. Thank you to all involved.
"A house of ill repute?!" 😂😂😂😂😂
I'm laughing at Mrs, Patmore's unimpressed look and hand on her hip when Carson budges into her conversation with Mrs. Hughes. If looks could kill, Carson would be six feet under the ground lol.
This is one of my favorite storylines.
Love how Cora looks at Robert at 3:23.
This storyline cracks me up for a couple of reasons.
Firstly Mrs Patmore is a superb character and the concept of her up to funny business us comical.
Secondly I live quite close to the real Haughton le Skerne. It's a nice little place hear Darlington. Whenever I pass through I wonder if any if the houses are houses of ill repute.
"QUITE sure. Thank you Carson."
As airy fairy as this plot is for the time period and senario depicted, it's still incredibly endearing to see Mrs Patmores employer's stand by her.
@Gerard Collins - Not to argue but, rather to converse about the matter, I think this is a cleaned-up approximation of what would have been expected in this post-Edwardian era. After Edward VII's well-documented affairs with women like Lillie Langtry, and before the ongoing dissipations of Edward VIII with Wallis Simpson and so many others, it was not shocking for the royals. However, the aristocracy worried more that their titles might be revoked if the monarch felt there was real profligacy afoot that could weaken the hold of the ruling classes on property, loyalties. However, in the village the impostor and his inamorata pretending to be a local physician and his wife would have been quite the scandal when the divorce papers hit the news. And in accordance with "you are known by the company you keep," the B&B would have come to be known as a nice "back street" sort of place for illicit lovers to meet without fear of the town's most virtuous or aristocratic personages broadcasting it as self-appointed town criers, assuring no one missed there were others than David, Prince of Wales, who were getting all sorts of action. Things were changing after WWI, but not so fast that the local villagers in most places would benefit from changes.
Loved this little storyline
Boy, that poor sergeant sure was the angel of death at Downton Abbey.
That’s what you call family. Not bound by blood, but by love.
They missed the funny parts where Anna and Lady Mary are laughing even though they don't want to do so. 😀
Yes. That was the best part!
this is the most valued gesture always....kindness in respect rather than kindness in charity
It was tremendously sweet of the Crawleys to help mrs. Patmore 💕💕
Good cooks are a treasure.
I have always loved Downton Abbey
I love Mrs. Patmore.
I think people need to read more of Charles Dickens. Granted, a fair number of his characters would have been the seniors or contemporaries of Lady Violet or Lord Grantham, but I think he quite proves that "scandal" is not everything and that people of good will could and would assist one another and were generally better thought of than the painted plaster paragorgons who were quick to talk about morality, but could not apply it to any but the most simplistic of situations. Another example of this would be the novel Silas Marner.
Anna was just relieved it wasn't her drama for a change!
Was the funniest incident of all
I hope everyone in that black and white photo has it framed in their house it's beautiful as though it were from the exact era. The Downton Abbey hair and makeup team were brilliant.
Definitely in my top five episodes.🫖🍰
See the poster: "Patmore's house of Ill Repute and Red-Light District Featuring The Adulterers Table"
"Put up a poster, why don't you!", lol! Such a prude!
He means me🤣
When I first watched this episode and they were planning to go to tea at "the house of ill repute" I knew Carson would blow a fuse at the idea! 😂😂😂😂 How he went on and on kills me😩😩😩😂😂😂😂😂😂
Mrs. Hughes made a very good point that there had been quite a few adulterers sitting at the table upstairs. Mr. Carson was the biggest snob in the show.
The butlers often were/are
Elsie can't be bothered by her husband's bullying words 😂
My Airbnb is known as the neighborhood "House of Ill Repute".
The Family stood up for dear Mrs Patmore.
Such a beautiful gesture :)
That really was a hoot! The poor woman!
Wish I had been into this show when it was on.
You would’ve broke n your telly at the Christmas special
Very funny scenes! I absolutely adore!
....absolutely...Show some backbone!!
Mr. Charles Carson---My #1 favorite character of the series.
Cora shoving Mrs Patmore at the end literally cracked me up so hard
Noblesse oblige is a term where the rich give of their bounty to the working class and the poor. Nowadays it's said with a negative connotation--like the rich stoop down to help. But originally it had a positive connotation--the rich helping out those less fortunate than them, thereby creating a better society. This scene is soooo that original meaning of noblesse oblige.
That’s because Downton is royalist propaganda. I love it but that doesn’t change the fact that it is purposely painting the wealthy aristocrats in the best possible light. Noblesse oblige IS a negative term, because it never functioned the way Downton implies. “Special rich people feel-good charity” never solved anything like simply paying your fair share of taxes does.
Are there any examples in real life where a wealthy family put its public reputation on the line to protect a servant? I can't see the events in this video playing out in real life.
3:03 even Cora sounded so disappointed in Carson. He needed to be put in his place for his snobbish attitude and told by Lord Grantham that Mrs Patmore needed help after her loyalty to the house and how kind they were to support her troubles by having tea at her bed and breakfast.
1:01-1:08 Anna had to be thinking- uuuuhh, what did I miss?
Love how Robert and Cora push Mrs Patmore to the front - such a power couple they are
"Suicidal footmen in the attic" :)
Didn't that police sergeant dance with Mrs. Patmore at some downstairs celebration? I think he was a little sweet on Mrs. Patmore and was very uncomfortable having to explain the issue to her and so beat a hasty retreat.
Yes, he danced with her when he brought the news that Anna was in the clear for Green's death. He might have liked her, but the topic would have been uncomfortable for any man to discuss with a woman in those days. 😀
I love this scene. Doing we think it true?
I love the fact that only Robert can check Carson and get away with it!!
Mr Carson is out of line. It isnt his place to say what the family does. It was the idea of the family to go. Mrs Hughes was asked questions and responded without offering any suggestions as to a course of action.
I want some of Mrs Patmore's cooking.
Fico triste por não ser dublado um seriado maravilhoso inesquecível por favor dlube!
Carson is quite the snob.
Mrs. Pat more is so funny!
I love it.
Awesome!
I'm sure they were having fun making this show.
The old chestnut about the servants being more snobbish than their "betters".
Carson is more snobbish and ignorant than those he serves.
Oh poor Mrs Patmore! The reactions of the others is so funny, as they try to not laugh in front of her.
When I watch this I always notice the condescending tone and words Robert uses when talking to Cora. "Of course he is leaving" etc.
Way to go Lord Grantham sir!Always the true gent.
5:09 hahahaha