I go over the basics of removing a welded pin from a flash hider. This is not legal advice. I am in no way responsible for you doing any damage or becoming a part of a list.
Never thought about it, not that I don't have a pistol with a can, I just had that in mind from the start. Good information though, thanks for detailing your adventure. You never know when that might come in handy.
I know others have said, but removing a pin and weld, then slapping on a pistol brace does NOT put you in the clear with it being a pistol. Be careful brother
@@dougrippe33 No, because it (the lower) started as a rifle, it has to remain a rifle and keep a 16" barrel or it is considered a short barreled rifle....an NFA item. You can put a 16" barrel (or longer) on a pistol lower and keep the brace on. You cannot put a stock on an AR lower that started as a pistol.
@@theunofficialresults231you can convert a pistol lower to a rifle by putting an upper on it with a barrel length of 16" or longer, allowing you to add a stock. As long as it was originally a pistol, it can be disassembled and converted back to a pistol, per the ATF's website.
All the TH-cam experts are leaving out one key fact..... A lower purchased as just a lower. Not a pistol or a rifle. This is the best way to purchase them as you can literally do anything with it (build a rifle or a pistol, tear it down and go the pther way with it.)and stay inside the guidelines. Obviously a short barrel with a stock still needs the extra paperwork.
Just be careful using short barrels. Putting a brace on it doesn't keep you from running afoul of the NFA. Just Google: "weapon made from a rifle" to make sure you have your bases covered. You can go the other direction and make a rifle out of a pistol though. Go figure.
if that lower is from a complete rifle you bought that is now an SBR. Re pin and weld with a quick detatch muzzle device for a suppresor so this is legal again. No matter what state you are in the local ATF field office would love to meet you.
@@theunofficialresults231 YuuuuuP has to be born a pistol to wear a brace with an under 16 bbl. gut that receiver and put a pistol one in it's place. stupid but it's the law as we know it today (Or until A-FT tries to change it again. Also, use multiple layers of masking tape on surfaces you don't want jacked up and run the Dremel/rotary tool at high speed, they cut better.
I build my own uppers so I can avoid all that work if I want to change things up on my guns. The PSA upper with the FN barrel is a good value but I don't like the government profile barrels because all of the weight of the barrel is placed at the end of the barrel making it front heavy with other add ons like lights, lasers, DBALs etc,...
First off, great video on removing the pin and thanks for going over how you did it. But i beleive these comments are correct regarding SBRs. If it were me, i would pin and weld a new muzzle device.
Thank you. I had this upper on a lower that had a soft rubber pistol brace. That was the way my wife wanted it at the time. We have since gotten her a Bren 2 and a Carmel. So she didn’t need this anymore. I bought a new stripped lower and put it together for this upper after I removed the flash hider. It has never been on a gun with a stock since I’ve owned it. The 5.56 can I have is direct thread. I could see how it could be misconstrued, but stayed within the guidelines. Even the foregrip is angled, not a straight 90. That’s a gray area, but still legal.
Do you know the difference between a pistol and an SBR? One is registered as a pistol, one is registered as a rifle. So unless you pined and welded that can on, that's an SBR regardless of what you replaced the stock with. Take it from someone in California, there can be some pretty hefty costs to making such a simple mistake. Be careful and best of luck to you
Just out of curiosity, what do they use for a pin? I have a 16” barrel that I need to pin but not weld and I’d rather do it myself if I can rather than paying a “gunsmith”.
@@Leman.Russ.6thLegion thanks for the multiple comments that just feeds the algorithm, but that lower was put together for this. As a pistol. For a 14.5 barrel. I did not take a stock off to install the brace.
It is a felony if that lower is registered as a rifle lower and not as a pistol lower. As others said a pistol lower can have a rifle upper on it but a rifle lower can not have a pistol upper on it. Maybe I did not hear it but seems like that is a rifle lower (i.e. the pin and weld to make 16” legal rifle), putting a brace on does not change what the lower is registered as (pistol or rifle). So unless he pin and welded that suppressor on that barrel it would be a unregistered SBR. Dumb laws but still laws. People should be made aware so they don’t blindly break a law with serious consequences.
Thanks for showing how you removed the pin and weld. Might be helpful to others to address the issue just in case avg. Joe decides to do something similar and get caught unknowingly. Again dumb laws but they will still enforce them.
If the lower was sold as a rifle lower initially then you “can’t” put a brace on it with an upper with a barrel less than 16” and call it a pistol or “other” configuration and be clean legally. There’s also no way for any LEO to know that without pulling the original 4473. So 🤷♂️
@@sacrificialscience4405 I figured at this point in the game creators like you know the deal so I try and comment for the third party viewer since it wasn’t overtly noted in the video. Good video my dude 🤘
It’s the lower that determines if it is a rifle or pistol. He stated that he purchased a complete upper not a complete gun. If he put the upper on a ‘pistol’ lower it is not a problem.
bro maybe make a comment saying "I'm using a different lower on this pistol than the one that came with the gun in its original configuration" that way you can have something to point to in court if the feds ever try to hold you accountable for what you said in this video. Legally speaking, guns registered as rifles cannot be configured as pistols. Feel free to delete my comment after taking this advice to cover your tracks. Stay safe.
@@AlexLee-dc2vb I bought the upper as an upper only. Ran it on a pistol braced lower for my wife. She got some new 5.56 guns so I put her lower with a 300 upper and built a new lower with a pistol brace.
@@WinStoNs_Mithas far as I know the weapon originally was a rifle and so the "weapon made from a rifle" wording of the nfa would still apply. These are the people from the same organization that declare a shoestring can legally be a machine gun so yeah.... Better safe than sorry when it comes to the genius minds at ATF.
@@psychonaut3507 yeah, I didn’t think of it in those terms. Unless you put it on a lower that was listed as 'other’. Thankfully I live in a free state that is not too fond of the AFT. SBR’s, SBS’s and suppressors are legal as long as they are made here. Besides, if they want you, they don’t need a valid reason to simply kill you. See Brian Malinowski’s case. All gun laws are unconstitutional BTW.
@@WinStoNs_Mith Texan ? I'm a pretty big fan of your states representative if so. Mr Roy is what all representatives of their state should strive to be for their citizens. I'd agree with you that gun laws are unconstitutional, the only one I actually agree with myself is not being able to own one if your mental facilities aren't all there. By which I mean someone who mentally is just truly unfit to own anything dangerous not the governments definition. Either way the only way we'll ever see this sort of thing change is if enough of us make our voices heard on the matter, the NFA as a whole needs repeal and the ATF needs disbanded or at the very least a stern reminder that they are not an agency who gets to make gun laws that violate the second amendment.
@@WinStoNs_Mith atf will kill your dog for making a rifle into a pistol. That's an sbr now. He needs to pin n weld the suppressor muzzle host on, or he now runs a felony.
Was the lower purchased as part of a complete rifle or part of a complete pistol? If it was purchased as a complete rifle, it cannot be converted to a pistol lower, per the ATF, but if purchased as a complete pistol, it can be converted to a rifle, then back to a pistol, once disassembled. If the lower was purchased separately as an "other", you can use it as a rifle or pistol lower, but once the lower has been used as a rifle, it cannot be used as a pistol lower, legally. Atf can't prove this with an "other" lower unless you admit it by some means. Even inadvertantly. Stupid, confusing laws. You may want to rethink keeping this video up. ATF has been on a bender lately.
Off the ATF website: "Assuming that the firearm was originally a pistol, the resulting firearm, with an attached shoulder stock, is not an NFA firearm if it has a barrel of 16 inches or more in length. Pursuant to ATF Ruling 2011-4, such rifle may later be unassembled and again configured as a pistol. Such configuration would not be considered a “weapon made from a rifle” as defined by 26 U.S.C. § 5845(a)(4).
I bought the lower stripped. Was not designated rifle or pistol. The upper had been sitting and not on a lower for a little bit, so I busted the pin and weld and then assembled a lower for it. It had been on my wife’s lower with a pistol brace prior. She likes the soft SBM4 brace and its short length of pull. That’s what I had meant by running it as a rifle.
@sacrificialscience4405 awesome. Just figured I'd throw that info out to help. I've seen a lot of guys on YT that post stuff that, unknowing to them, is self incriminating. We gotta look out for each other.
@@airborneivan I appreciate it man. I’ve seen videos of people doing less than legal things myself, but I 100% keep within the confines of the law. Don’t want to risk everything I have for one gun or one mistake.
I’m good man. That upper was never on a lower with a stock. Had previously been on my wife’s lower with a pistol brace. I put a lower together after I took the flash hider off.
It doesnt matter if its on a lower with a stock or brace lol its about what the lower was sold as. But whatever i honestly dont give a shit, shouldnt have even commented but i was drunk
Brothers we must protect this man and his dog.
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Never thought about it, not that I don't have a pistol with a can, I just had that in mind from the start. Good information though, thanks for detailing your adventure. You never know when that might come in handy.
Dude take this video down.
I know others have said, but removing a pin and weld, then slapping on a pistol brace does NOT put you in the clear with it being a pistol. Be careful brother
Considering they have abandoned the “brace rule” should be good now
@@dougrippe33
No, because it (the lower) started as a rifle, it has to remain a rifle and keep a 16" barrel or it is considered a short barreled rifle....an NFA item.
You can put a 16" barrel (or longer) on a pistol lower and keep the brace on. You cannot put a stock on an AR lower that started as a pistol.
@@dougrippe33 just because the pistol brace rule has been abandoned, doesn’t mean the SBR rule has been abandoned. Let alone the entire NFA rules
@@theunofficialresults231you can convert a pistol lower to a rifle by putting an upper on it with a barrel length of 16" or longer, allowing you to add a stock. As long as it was originally a pistol, it can be disassembled and converted back to a pistol, per the ATF's website.
He bought an upper not rifle.
All the TH-cam experts are leaving out one key fact.....
A lower purchased as just a lower. Not a pistol or a rifle. This is the best way to purchase them as you can literally do anything with it (build a rifle or a pistol, tear it down and go the pther way with it.)and stay inside the guidelines.
Obviously a short barrel with a stock still needs the extra paperwork.
Very true. That’s exactly what happened here.
Just be careful using short barrels. Putting a brace on it doesn't keep you from running afoul of the NFA. Just Google: "weapon made from a rifle" to make sure you have your bases covered. You can go the other direction and make a rifle out of a pistol though. Go figure.
if that lower is from a complete rifle you bought that is now an SBR. Re pin and weld with a quick detatch muzzle device for a suppresor so this is legal again. No matter what state you are in the local ATF field office would love to meet you.
Correct, the lower is what matters. If it started as a rifle, it has to stay a rifle even if you put a brace on it, it has to have a 16" barrel.
@@theunofficialresults231 YuuuuuP has to be born a pistol to wear a brace with an under 16 bbl. gut that receiver and put a pistol one in it's place. stupid but it's the law as we know it today (Or until A-FT tries to change it again.
Also, use multiple layers of masking tape on surfaces you don't want jacked up and run the Dremel/rotary tool at high speed, they cut better.
I build my own uppers so I can avoid all that work if I want to change things up on my guns. The PSA upper with the FN barrel is a good value but I don't like the government profile barrels because all of the weight of the barrel is placed at the end of the barrel making it front heavy with other add ons like lights, lasers, DBALs etc,...
I did this to a 3 prong surefire and yes I felt dirty afterwards
No that it matters, its actually a 14.7 i have the same upper.
First off, great video on removing the pin and thanks for going over how you did it. But i beleive these comments are correct regarding SBRs. If it were me, i would pin and weld a new muzzle device.
Thank you. I had this upper on a lower that had a soft rubber pistol brace. That was the way my wife wanted it at the time. We have since gotten her a Bren 2 and a Carmel. So she didn’t need this anymore. I bought a new stripped lower and put it together for this upper after I removed the flash hider. It has never been on a gun with a stock since I’ve owned it. The 5.56 can I have is direct thread. I could see how it could be misconstrued, but stayed within the guidelines. Even the foregrip is angled, not a straight 90. That’s a gray area, but still legal.
Cool. Just looking out for ya. Sounds like you did your research.
Do you know the difference between a pistol and an SBR? One is registered as a pistol, one is registered as a rifle. So unless you pined and welded that can on, that's an SBR regardless of what you replaced the stock with. Take it from someone in California, there can be some pretty hefty costs to making such a simple mistake. Be careful and best of luck to you
If you listen carefully , he said he bought an upper not a rifle. Do you know the difference of an upper and lower?
Very good info, like all your videos are!!
Thank you, Brother! I always appreciate your support!
This is a felony. It's not good info. Do not attempt.
Just out of curiosity, what do they use for a pin? I have a 16” barrel that I need to pin but not weld and I’d rather do it myself if I can rather than paying a “gunsmith”.
It looked like a small dowel that was about a half inch long. Not sure exactly what they use though.
Great info Brother
Thank you brother
This is a felony.
Do not attempt.
@@Leman.Russ.6thLegion thanks for the multiple comments that just feeds the algorithm, but that lower was put together for this. As a pistol. For a 14.5 barrel. I did not take a stock off to install the brace.
Been wanting to do this to my Colt socom 14.5
Good info. Thanks for the video
Thank you for checking it out homie!!
Tntactical, that is a felony sbr. Do not attempt.
@@Leman.Russ.6thLegion no dude. It's really not. He has a brace on it. The pistol brace ban just got vacated in court.
It is a felony if that lower is registered as a rifle lower and not as a pistol lower. As others said a pistol lower can have a rifle upper on it but a rifle lower can not have a pistol upper on it.
Maybe I did not hear it but seems like that is a rifle lower (i.e. the pin and weld to make 16” legal rifle), putting a brace on does not change what the lower is registered as (pistol or rifle). So unless he pin and welded that suppressor on that barrel it would be a unregistered SBR. Dumb laws but still laws. People should be made aware so they don’t blindly break a law with serious consequences.
Thanks for showing how you removed the pin and weld. Might be helpful to others to address the issue just in case avg. Joe decides to do something similar and get caught unknowingly. Again dumb laws but they will still enforce them.
Really don’t need all that extra info. I wanted to learn how to remove the pin
@@steves2550 other comments say I didn’t put enough info in. You can never please anyone
If the lower was sold as a rifle lower initially then you “can’t” put a brace on it with an upper with a barrel less than 16” and call it a pistol or “other” configuration and be clean legally. There’s also no way for any LEO to know that without pulling the original 4473. So 🤷♂️
I bought it as a stripped lower. It was never a rifle.
@@sacrificialscience4405 I figured at this point in the game creators like you know the deal so I try and comment for the third party viewer since it wasn’t overtly noted in the video. Good video my dude 🤘
@@SGCXD thank you very much!
Thats still an SBR bro you can make a pistol into a rifle but you cant make a rifle into a pistol. Call a lawyer ASAP
It’s the lower that determines if it is a rifle or pistol. He stated that he purchased a complete upper not a complete gun. If he put the upper on a ‘pistol’ lower it is not a problem.
@@roncterry that lower has never had a stick on it. Put another lower together just for the upper.
bro maybe make a comment saying "I'm using a different lower on this pistol than the one that came with the gun in its original configuration" that way you can have something to point to in court if the feds ever try to hold you accountable for what you said in this video. Legally speaking, guns registered as rifles cannot be configured as pistols. Feel free to delete my comment after taking this advice to cover your tracks. Stay safe.
@@AlexLee-dc2vb I bought the upper as an upper only. Ran it on a pistol braced lower for my wife. She got some new 5.56 guns so I put her lower with a 300 upper and built a new lower with a pistol brace.
Congratulations, you just made a short barrel rifle and published it on TH-cam.
I would work on that tax stamp pronto.
It has a pistol brace on it 😂
@@WinStoNs_Mithas far as I know the weapon originally was a rifle and so the "weapon made from a rifle" wording of the nfa would still apply. These are the people from the same organization that declare a shoestring can legally be a machine gun so yeah.... Better safe than sorry when it comes to the genius minds at ATF.
@@psychonaut3507 yeah, I didn’t think of it in those terms. Unless you put it on a lower that was listed as 'other’. Thankfully I live in a free state that is not too fond of the AFT. SBR’s, SBS’s and suppressors are legal as long as they are made here. Besides, if they want you, they don’t need a valid reason to simply kill you. See Brian Malinowski’s case.
All gun laws are unconstitutional BTW.
@@WinStoNs_Mith Texan ? I'm a pretty big fan of your states representative if so. Mr Roy is what all representatives of their state should strive to be for their citizens. I'd agree with you that gun laws are unconstitutional, the only one I actually agree with myself is not being able to own one if your mental facilities aren't all there. By which I mean someone who mentally is just truly unfit to own anything dangerous not the governments definition. Either way the only way we'll ever see this sort of thing change is if enough of us make our voices heard on the matter, the NFA as a whole needs repeal and the ATF needs disbanded or at the very least a stern reminder that they are not an agency who gets to make gun laws that violate the second amendment.
@@WinStoNs_Mith atf will kill your dog for making a rifle into a pistol. That's an sbr now. He needs to pin n weld the suppressor muzzle host on, or he now runs a felony.
Was the lower purchased as part of a complete rifle or part of a complete pistol? If it was purchased as a complete rifle, it cannot be converted to a pistol lower, per the ATF, but if purchased as a complete pistol, it can be converted to a rifle, then back to a pistol, once disassembled. If the lower was purchased separately as an "other", you can use it as a rifle or pistol lower, but once the lower has been used as a rifle, it cannot be used as a pistol lower, legally. Atf can't prove this with an "other" lower unless you admit it by some means. Even inadvertantly. Stupid, confusing laws. You may want to rethink keeping this video up. ATF has been on a bender lately.
Off the ATF website: "Assuming that the firearm was originally a pistol, the resulting firearm, with an attached shoulder stock, is not an NFA firearm if it has a barrel of 16 inches or more in length.
Pursuant to ATF Ruling 2011-4, such rifle may later be unassembled and again configured as a pistol. Such configuration would not be considered a “weapon made from a rifle” as defined by 26 U.S.C. § 5845(a)(4).
I bought the lower stripped. Was not designated rifle or pistol. The upper had been sitting and not on a lower for a little bit, so I busted the pin and weld and then assembled a lower for it. It had been on my wife’s lower with a pistol brace prior. She likes the soft SBM4 brace and its short length of pull. That’s what I had meant by running it as a rifle.
@sacrificialscience4405 awesome. Just figured I'd throw that info out to help. I've seen a lot of guys on YT that post stuff that, unknowing to them, is self incriminating. We gotta look out for each other.
@@airborneivan I appreciate it man. I’ve seen videos of people doing less than legal things myself, but I 100% keep within the confines of the law. Don’t want to risk everything I have for one gun or one mistake.
Everyone in the comments think they know everything 😂😂😂
Delete this video. Sure, it took work, but the potential liability is not worth keeping it up.
Shut up narc
Drilling it out is an option and pretty easy
take this down
I’m good man. That upper was never on a lower with a stock. Had previously been on my wife’s lower with a pistol brace. I put a lower together after I took the flash hider off.
It doesnt matter if its on a lower with a stock or brace lol its about what the lower was sold as. But whatever i honestly dont give a shit, shouldnt have even commented but i was drunk
@@marine_0311 🤣. I’ve never bought a stripped lower as a rifle. It’s nice to keep that open to whatever I want it to identify as.