I remember studying several chapters from *Notes from Underground* in an undergrad "honors arts and sciences" class years ago. I'm really impressed with how much insight you offer into this book in a 17 minute TH-cam video.
The Wise Man is wise because he was once steadfastly fumbling over folly as the Fool for far too long~ frequently fractured by frequency expecting decency, but honestly healed by humility nearly hourly. Great content, thanks for sharing 🙌
Inaction is impossible. The problem is that people are conditioned to think they need to always be doing something. Things sometimes just are what they are. It's not always a pathology.
The solution lies in self-knowledge. Who am I? Ideas, concepts, mental representations, are never the beings and things in themselves. When the individual, living the daily life, investigates and really sees this fact, there is freedom from the tyranny derived from the previous limited understanding. Since mental images are not the beings and things in themselves, who am I? What is life? What is consciousness? What is the Universe? In the immense state of not-knowing, there is enchantment. And there is the understanding that relative knowledge has its proper place. A new type of existence arises for such an individual. And there is the possibility of pointing out the importance of this discovery to others. This person has a song in the heart.
The underground man is typical of Avoidant attachment traits based on John Bowlby's attachment theory. Avoidant attachment is usually as a result of childhood experience with the primary carer. You will need to undergo some form of phsychotherapy to come to terms with this
I wonder if you would be interested in exploring Buddhism? For example, in what context did early Buddhism arise? As Buddhism traveled through time and around the world, how has it evolved? How has it remained the same? How is Buddhism, in all of its forms, blending with secularism, science, and culture today? The goal of Buddhism is to understand suffering and to end it. How does it claim to do that? What’s the significance of the four noble truths, the eightfold path, the three characteristics and dependent origination, and so much more? I’m no expert. Yet, it seems to me that Buddhism, the subsets of it that I’ve encountered, contains skillful means for cultivating a flourishing life.
Main target of the Buddhism is to give you an Absolute solution to the suffering in the life. Accordingly you need to make zero of your thinking patterns ( both good & bad) that do exist in some form in the universe during your life & after the physical death. Mighty Nature naturally work on extending the life ( DNA) here by programming our lives by basic instincts: craving for food, protection & procreation. These innate three desires gives us the purpose to live & every other thing we do have certain connection with that three purposes. Buddha asks to nourished our thoughts - the dominating thoughts ( thoughts with faith ) are the ones that create memory patterns that would propagate in the universe & later feedback on us while we live in this life and next lives as well, for the good experiences as far as possible & to be happy. But gradually asking to remove even the good thoughts as well to extinguish your memory patterns form in the universe by promoting the emptiness of the life by as a whole. This's the difficult process since it's going against the Nature. We have to be very careful here, otherwise we will end up as a character described here in the Underground notebook. When you have courage to spend the life with joy & contentment whatever its inconsistencies & so called absurdities - mostly for the over thinking, due to the lack of confidence & low self-esteem, you don't have to follow pessimistic philosophies for the make believe happiness. Good Self - Image will cure most of the problems in the life for good & automatically it creates wholesome vibes in the universe, the same energy described in the Buddhism, and modern psychological exploration have revealed that same principle when promoting the "Positive Attitudes" for every occasion. God related religions gives simple faith based working life system that we could follow without enter in to the over thinking misery. If you are not satisfied with God related religions you could follow Nature related Psychological principles based on positive thoughts & optimistic attitude towards the life.
I’m no expert on Dostoyevsky, but when I read Notes From Underground I kept thinking it reminded me of Nietzsche - and Nietzsche also speaks favourably about Buddhism
".I always wanted to talk about this book but was afraid that I was going to miss because there was no time. I did not plan, just as always I go unplanned. I had thought to talk about only fifty books, but then came the P.S. and it continued and continued. Again fifty titles were completed, but there were still so many beautiful books that I had to continue and start the P.P.S. That is why I can now talk about this book. It is Dostoevsky’s Notes from the Underground. It is a very strange book, as strange as the man was. Just notes - like Devageet’s notes, fragmentary, on the surface unrelated to each other, but really related with an undercurrent of aliveness. It has to be meditated upon. I cannot say anything more than this. It is one of the most ignored great works of art. Nobody seems to take note of it, for the simple reason that it is not a novel, just notes, and they too seem to the unmeditative to be unrelated. But to my disciples it can be of great significance; they can find treasures hidden in it".
But this isn't taking into account the qualitative differences between then and now -- when the mass of humanity in the 'developed' world really have been transformed by mass media (of a kind not known then) into a collective 'borg' whose individual members are NPCs, incapable of forming their own thoughts. This is not about an observer's 'need to feel superior,' but simply a painful observation.
You missing crucial context. World didn't posses the traits of globalism: there was no free flow of information, vast majority of Russians couldn't even read at the time, most of them were truly limited by down to earth pursuits without any semblance of though entering their mind besides those planted by authorities (mainly church). The next piece of context was mentioned in the video. Dostoevsky paints the exaggerated hypothetical in order to prove his point. His primary intention is to mock contemporary philosophers and intellectuals since he like conservative populists appeals to unwashed masses, which is one of many requirements instilled by publishing houses in Russia. Dostoevsky was relatively weak writer as well, the common trait shared by poorly educated theists. Middling battle rapper can command language better than this hack apologist. As this video states (or was it Crime & Punishment one?) he wasn't recognized at the time for an obvious reason. Anyway, to sum it up: ppls were much more simple especially in rural agriculture focused backward countries like Russia, AND Dostoevsky deepthro@ted supporter vowed cuckold for the collectivism, state and church. The only reason you know about him is lack of competition in this field at the time.
Easy! Educate everyone on US VS THEM PROPAGANDA. We can create new laws where we can print and add money digitally like banks and federal reserve and it’s tax free! Make new laws allowing this and clean up the oceans and water ways so people can live healthier! UBI INCOME 😊 2. Haha 🤣 just let life live and atheist don’t need religion. Haha 3. Show how we don’t need these. Just print the money no inflation who cares haha 🤣
@@PhiloNauticaa You can by practicing asceticism similar to Cynics e.g. Diogenes, which is easier than ever before in the modern society. But there must be a preparation period where you gain the knowledge sufficient enough to be more erudite than 99% AND at least delve into rhetoric and logic in order to graduate to Superior status. Thanks to free education you can obtain in EU if you scored high on entrance exams I was able to get 2 Masters on top of that before practicing what you can call self-imposed homelessness.
Fascinating. The underground man is actually correct in some ways. For one thing, it IS stupid to be trapped in the cycle of a 9 to 5 job that is mechanical, repetitive, offering little or no meaning - the sort of thing you do just for a pay check. Unfortunately, he doesn't know what sort of activity or career or calling could absorb him and prove fulfilling. He's not necessarily mistaken with regards to a lot of people: if you overhear their conversations, you get the distinct feeling you're listening to a lot of OTHER people. There's no individuality and conformity is the norm - which can grate on the ears. But he's too passive: he doesn't seek out suitable companionship and perhaps overestimates himself, even though he may be highly intelligent. His excessive thinking and pride prevent him from doing so. He's dead wrong about thinking or the nature of consciousness: excessive thinking strongly suggests an inadequate intelligence. Creative intelligence begins to be active in the prolonged spaces BETWEEN thoughts. Thoughts require space and silence in order to be combined in fresh and creative ways. Otherwise what you have is a stream of rubbish. At least your views are limited, lopsided. Moreover, creative thinking needs to be balanced with action, some degree of social interaction. You can't separate yourself from the rest of humanity; others serve as mirrors for what we are. You can't understand yourself in isolation. I applaud periods of meditative retreat - NOT overthinking . Even so, meditation must be supplemented with social engagement. For what it's worth, however, I'm in agreement with the underground man about the dangers of relying too much on rationality.
Good "Self - Image" is the answer for all this over thinking, low self - confidence & isolated misery. All that path start with the lack of courage to involve in normal life activities. When we have that good inner self - image we don't have to worry too much on failures, it's auto correcting for the results according to our inner self- image. But we have to be careful about the inner image because it's a result of our past success and failures & forms the relevant Self - Image subconsciously by Auto - Suggestions. We can use Over thinking to correct it. Once you enter into that miserable thought pattern, ["He simply exists in a loop of thought " ( 10.07) , " ...themselves trapped in a loop of contemplations" ( 11.44) ], every thing explained here inevitable.
These five main points are from the spiritual realm, and we might call this negative force Satan. This pure evil tries to drive us to despair and give us no hope. Dark forces don't speak to a person inasmuch as they speak as the person. This is called negative thinking: "I hate my life, I wish I was dead!", and so on. But we're born into a fallen world, hence, all the suffering. But God, who created the universe and us has provided a way out. He has promised eternal life through a man he sent to die for our sins on a cross. Everything we've done wrong deserving of hell is forgiven through his blood. Heaven and hell are real, and when we die, we're going to get the best thing imaginable or the worst. We're told that if we accept Jesus Christ as Lord and believe in our hearts that God raised him from the dead, we will be saved. God created the lake of fire for the devil and his angels. They're trying to get as many people sent to hell as possible, because that's where they're going, and they know it. So, let's accept Christ as Savior and obey God's commandments. Let's do the right thing in life, knowing that no matter how we meet our end in this dying world, we'll have God's promise of eternal life through Jesus Christ. Please ask anything about your salvation.
@PhiloNauticaa , I am not a nihilist, I do think most people are stupid and below me; which has effected my life negatively. Can't seem to keep a job... I work hard too.
Wow that is without a doubt one of the most profound videos i watched on yt so far. Really hits the nail on the head and without any AI gives it the authenticity and closure this topic needs. A bit one sided of course but that made sure the message hits in its entirety. Inspiring how simply you pulled and placed the rules and concepts out of this book in a cohesive and digestible way. Makes me absolutely want to read this!
Obviously Dostoevsky did not understand and accept that he was the originator of all his feelings and emotions. He didn't understand the concept of "Is this really necessary" nor did he understand that he was chaotically programmed by his society and that his thoughts were the result of that programming.
HMMMMM!!!! I just had THIS VERY CYNICAL and/or SINISTER thought/response...... "Better drugs" to KILL more.... ABOVEground Men??? (Or turn them into literal zombies bent over in weird contortions so another "ABOVEground Man" can enjoy looking at them in an online video, or maybe even "feel bad" that such creatures haunt economically depressed inner city streets, and/or wonder "what the world is coming to"????👹👿😈🙈🙉🙊
27/11/2024 These characteristics can exist in all of us in bits and pieces. Therefore, doubt would not be equal to a skeptic approach. This can develop a mental dilemma. Founded on this, I do not read books any longer; however, I am obsessed with social media philosophical announcements. In some cases, it helps to observe, and in most cases takes to observe illusion with it. Too much. Consciousness is misunderstood, and science has taken logical reasoning away from general people. To figure out or to find out that humanity is nothing but to be simple. Metaphysic
We can all be compulsive as our world leaders are and care less about the lives we are screwing up or continue to withdraw from the nonsense brewing about us and eat ourselves to fatness within the comfort of our homes? Approach or avoidance? I rather avoid and have another cup of coffee.
OK guessers, I read all the novels and all the short works I could find. e.g. just reread notes from underground, white nights and read 1st time several short stories in an old volume (abt. 1918 I think) translated by Constance Garnett. I disagree with the many attempts to extract the core, an abbreviated summary of Dostoevsky's thoughts and beliefs. He wrote so many incisive thoughts and strange new characters and situations that only a lengthy and exhaustive essay could even approach a summation of his of his works. AND dry thoughts can never duplicate the unique experience of reading. Dostoevsky! BUT if you would like a little summary of some of his thoughts read "The dream of a ridiculous man".
This is a distorted view of his concepts. Dostoevsky explored the free man, young man archetype in CAP. In this he, perhaps unwittingly, shows it is the criminal arrogant idiot that needs salvation to be a human. A mind wipe. In The Idiot he explores the brilliant honest man who encounters corruption and falsehoods which drive him mad again. Point being Dostoevsky is more psychological than spiritual. And right wing theologians try to corrupt his work. He's also an anti-semite. And in TBK he presents the best case against organized religion
As i mentioned in the video, "it’s a work that offers different meanings to each reader, inviting them to uncover new perspectives on life with each read." I know there's more and different angle to the story too!
@@PhiloNauticaa -> be me -> have narcissistic father -> father is tyrannical -> have lots of trauma from childhood and adolescence -> but pretty good with computers -> go to college -> get manipulated by jealous people and study mechanical engineering instead of computer science -> studied engineering for 4 years -> go 2 years without a job -> got employment offer from distant family members -> company is in the middle east -> thinks life is gonna change for the better -> turns out they were expecting me to marry a girl from their side of the family in return -> she is combative plus they are all a-holes -> refuse to marry her -> immediately get demoted to labor category -> went from technician to admin to ERP (Engineering Resource Planning) support to finally being a labor -> got a job offer through a recruitment agency -> need to pay up so I can go to my new job and get away from all this bs -> saving what little I can to pay up -> current employer is going through financial problems -> salary hasn't been credited and there's talks that the whole group is suffering financially -> panic sets in -> how do I pay? That's my story. Currently there seems to be no way out of this. Which puts me back into my deep thinking state
i had the same problem guys please pray but never ever think on the thoughts that arise in you mind like schools teaches it kills you just pray and follow the thoughts and excercise overthininkg only if you are doing something morally incorrect 1. questionig every thought 2. thinking if i dont question am an idiot and cannot trust my thoughts 3. not praying and relying god to guide me and learning from mistakes 4. overthinking in the hope that i wil find something and become enlightened
Am I to assume that YOU are an "Atypical" narcissist? Or NOT a narcissist AT ALL?? I ask because I have intellectual issues with those words...."Narcissist" and "Narcissism". But then again that is because I am an "Underground Man".....Er...Uh..."Narcissist"....Er....Uh.... ...."Asshole"? 🙄🤣😶
Serious question: HOW should the Holy Bible be read? I ask, because if a person literally STARTS from the first ENGLISH word of Genesis ("In") of, say, the King James Version; to the LAST word in the New Testament book of Revelation (Which I BELIEVE [no pun intended] to be "Amen"), then there is a good chance that many of such people MIGHT start to question WHAT exactly they are reading, or WHY God has said certain things, and such questions are NOT often answered too adequately in too many churches on Sunday mornings... (Prayer doesn't always work either for such questions, at least not RIGHT AWAY.) Or....Should one read the Holy Bible at random....Say, by opening it UP at random at WHATEVER book/chapter/verse one's eyes come upon, read a few words for a few minutes, or an hour, and repeat the process at another time?? There are advantages to reading the Holy Bible in the latter manner, but one DISADVANTAGE is encountering some VERY obscure passages that will most definitely either having you "scratching your head" or just trying to keep your head, UP, by NOT falling asleep....Well THAT could happen anyways if you read the Holy Bible straight through.
Even though I have never read the actual book The Underground Man; and I have watched and commented to a similar video on TH-cam put out by someone who referred to (himself?) as "Eternalized"**, AND....I DO see even MORE of myself in THIS video--the "underground man" in me watching THIS video is NOT reacting as "touched" as the one put out by "Eternalized"**. That is NOT to say I think it's NOT as good, or that I even disagree with YOUR video here. It IS to say that it HAS triggered thoughts in me that could be considered "Yeah......BUTs", and even one or two "Now WAIT a MINUTES!" But since I have discovered typing out long comments utilizing a cell phone key-pad is a pain in the 🫏, and I doubt too many people are into doing too much deeper reading/thinking anyway, I will refrain from making THIS comment any more unnecessarily longer by elaborating further. I will "agree" though, that being an "underground man" is probably NOT the best thing to be as an INDIVIDUAL, but PERHAPS "underground PEOPLE" ((not just "men")) are needed for SOCIETY???? (Or if not "needed", then a basic INEVITABILITY of damn near ANY society??) This video of yours HAS triggered a question in me though: Is it possible "Underground Men/People" are the result of being subjected to excessive, intense, and/or repeated COGNITIVE DISSONANCE? Mentally masturbate over that "pornography" of a question at your own risk OR....Use such a question as a thesis for one's own Philosophy degree or doctorate, or just think about it WITHOUT any further thoughts or feelings of masochism....Feel free to comment even PERHAPS if it's JUST to tell me to "shut the f__k up", chastise me for, ((or ask me about)) why I use ALL CAPS sometimes scattered through my comments....???....Just so that I know that MAYBE more than 3 people (Perhaps NOT ot working for TH-cam itself?) is actually reading my comments?? ** I am NOT necessarily trying to steer views away from THIS video to the video put out by "Eternalized"....I know clicks mean attention and attention means money in this new online/digitized economy that I myself do NOT know what to make of at this point in my life, never the less I do feel compelled to apologize to you for directing any potential viewers from THIS video to the one by Eternalized regarding The Underground Man by Dostoyevsky....Assuming any ALGORITHMS haven't done so already😶
@JebidiahStillkrackingagain Wow that was a long comment.Anyways, i had watched that video from externalized as well( Don't remember much of it now). But my video is giving a new touch, a new angle to the underground man. It's a smooth one story of underground man who seems a literal definition of how minds are right now(troubled) because of our conscious (overthinking and all).
@PhiloNauticaa Thank you for your response. I suppose I should apologize for the excessive length of my previous comment, but "devils" ARE in "details", and details cannot always be expressed in pithy little "bumper stickers" or "t-shirts". But thank you again none the less, for your comment/response, (and the video too for that matter.)
My favorite novella. Deep, honest and thoughtful. Dostoyevsky never ceases to provoke and inspire. Wonderful.
I remember studying several chapters from *Notes from Underground* in an undergrad "honors arts and sciences" class years ago. I'm really impressed with how much insight you offer into this book in a 17 minute TH-cam video.
Thank you
I relate to this character deeply.
Same! I was thinking... Wow, this man seems to think and live exactly like me...
This has always been one of my favourite books. It makes me happy to read and as I identify so much with the main character. To me he is a hero.
The answer is to read more Dostoevsky
The Wise Man is wise because he was once steadfastly fumbling over folly as the Fool for far too long~ frequently fractured by frequency expecting decency, but honestly healed by humility nearly hourly.
Great content, thanks for sharing 🙌
Thank You!
Inaction is impossible. The problem is that people are conditioned to think they need to always be doing something. Things sometimes just are what they are. It's not always a pathology.
Will have to re-read this book. It describes me to a T. Well done video.
Thank You!
The solution lies in self-knowledge. Who am I? Ideas, concepts, mental representations, are never the beings and things in themselves. When the individual, living the daily life, investigates and really sees this fact, there is freedom from the tyranny derived from the previous limited understanding.
Since mental images are not the beings and things in themselves, who am I? What is life? What is consciousness? What is the Universe? In the immense state of not-knowing, there is enchantment. And there is the understanding that relative knowledge has its proper place.
A new type of existence arises for such an individual. And there is the possibility of pointing out the importance of this discovery to others.
This person has a song in the heart.
what are MEANINGFUL relations? what are ACHIEVEMENTS?
The underground man is typical of Avoidant attachment traits based on John Bowlby's attachment theory. Avoidant attachment is usually as a result of childhood experience with the primary carer. You will need to undergo some form of phsychotherapy to come to terms with this
You would be surprised how many times I've seen "primary caregiver" offended by a 2 years old kid.
I wonder if you would be interested in exploring Buddhism? For example, in what context did early Buddhism arise? As Buddhism traveled through time and around the world, how has it evolved? How has it remained the same? How is Buddhism, in all of its forms, blending with secularism, science, and culture today? The goal of Buddhism is to understand suffering and to end it. How does it claim to do that? What’s the significance of the four noble truths, the eightfold path, the three characteristics and dependent origination, and so much more?
I’m no expert. Yet, it seems to me that Buddhism, the subsets of it that I’ve encountered, contains skillful means for cultivating a flourishing life.
Main target of the Buddhism is to give you an Absolute solution to the suffering in the life.
Accordingly you need to make zero of your thinking patterns ( both good & bad) that do exist in some form in the universe during your life & after the physical death.
Mighty Nature naturally work on extending the life ( DNA) here by programming our lives by basic instincts: craving for food, protection & procreation. These innate three desires gives us the purpose to live & every other thing we do have certain connection with that three purposes.
Buddha asks to nourished our thoughts - the dominating thoughts ( thoughts with faith ) are the ones that create memory patterns that would propagate in the universe & later feedback on us while we live in this life and next lives as well, for the good experiences as far as possible & to be happy.
But gradually asking to remove even the good thoughts as well to extinguish your memory patterns form in the universe by promoting the emptiness of the life by as a whole. This's the difficult process since it's going against the Nature.
We have to be very careful here, otherwise we will end up as a character described here in the Underground notebook.
When you have courage to spend the life with joy & contentment whatever its inconsistencies & so called absurdities - mostly for the over thinking, due to the lack of confidence & low self-esteem, you don't have to follow pessimistic philosophies for the make believe happiness.
Good Self - Image will cure most of the problems in the life for good & automatically it creates wholesome vibes in the universe, the same energy described in the Buddhism, and modern psychological exploration have revealed that same principle when promoting the "Positive Attitudes" for every occasion.
God related religions gives simple faith based working life system that we could follow without enter in to the over thinking misery.
If you are not satisfied with God related religions you could follow Nature related Psychological principles based on positive thoughts & optimistic attitude towards the life.
I’m no expert on Dostoyevsky, but when I read Notes From Underground I kept thinking it reminded me of Nietzsche - and Nietzsche also speaks favourably about Buddhism
".I always wanted to talk about this book but was afraid that I was going to miss because there was no time. I did not plan, just as always I go unplanned. I had thought to talk about only fifty books, but then came the P.S. and it continued and continued. Again fifty titles were completed, but there were still so many beautiful books that I had to continue and start the P.P.S. That is why I can now talk about this book. It is Dostoevsky’s Notes from the Underground.
It is a very strange book, as strange as the man was. Just notes - like Devageet’s notes, fragmentary, on the surface unrelated to each other, but really related with an undercurrent of aliveness. It has to be meditated upon. I cannot say anything more than this. It is one of the most ignored great works of art. Nobody seems to take note of it, for the simple reason that it is not a novel, just notes, and they too seem to the unmeditative to be unrelated. But to my disciples it can be of great significance; they can find treasures hidden in it".
Thank you
You're welcome
Thank you. 🙏🏼
But this isn't taking into account the qualitative differences between then and now -- when the mass of humanity in the 'developed' world really have been transformed by mass media (of a kind not known then) into a collective 'borg' whose individual members are NPCs, incapable of forming their own thoughts. This is not about an observer's 'need to feel superior,' but simply a painful observation.
You missing crucial context. World didn't posses the traits of globalism: there was no free flow of information, vast majority of Russians couldn't even read at the time, most of them were truly limited by down to earth pursuits without any semblance of though entering their mind besides those planted by authorities (mainly church). The next piece of context was mentioned in the video. Dostoevsky paints the exaggerated hypothetical in order to prove his point. His primary intention is to mock contemporary philosophers and intellectuals since he like conservative populists appeals to unwashed masses, which is one of many requirements instilled by publishing houses in Russia.
Dostoevsky was relatively weak writer as well, the common trait shared by poorly educated theists. Middling battle rapper can command language better than this hack apologist. As this video states (or was it Crime & Punishment one?) he wasn't recognized at the time for an obvious reason. Anyway, to sum it up: ppls were much more simple especially in rural agriculture focused backward countries like Russia, AND Dostoevsky deepthro@ted supporter vowed cuckold for the collectivism, state and church. The only reason you know about him is lack of competition in this field at the time.
How can we completely avoid:
1. Politics/govt
2. Religion
3. Taxes
@@layuponthedownlow We can never!
Easy! Educate everyone on US VS THEM PROPAGANDA. We can create new laws where we can print and add money digitally like banks and federal reserve and it’s tax free!
Make new laws allowing this and clean up the oceans and water ways so people can live healthier! UBI INCOME 😊
2. Haha 🤣 just let life live and atheist don’t need religion. Haha
3. Show how we don’t need these. Just print the money no inflation who cares haha 🤣
@@PhiloNauticaa You can by practicing asceticism similar to Cynics e.g. Diogenes, which is easier than ever before in the modern society. But there must be a preparation period where you gain the knowledge sufficient enough to be more erudite than 99% AND at least delve into rhetoric and logic in order to graduate to Superior status. Thanks to free education you can obtain in EU if you scored high on entrance exams I was able to get 2 Masters on top of that before practicing what you can call self-imposed homelessness.
Fascinating. The underground man is actually correct in some ways. For one thing, it IS stupid to be trapped in the cycle of a 9 to 5 job that is mechanical, repetitive, offering little or no meaning - the sort of thing you do just for a pay check. Unfortunately, he doesn't know what sort of activity or career or calling could absorb him and prove fulfilling. He's not necessarily mistaken with regards to a lot of people: if you overhear their conversations, you get the distinct feeling you're listening to a lot of OTHER people. There's no individuality and conformity is the norm - which can grate on the ears. But he's too passive: he doesn't seek out suitable companionship and perhaps overestimates himself, even though he may be highly intelligent. His excessive thinking and pride prevent him from doing so.
He's dead wrong about thinking or the nature of consciousness: excessive thinking strongly suggests an inadequate intelligence. Creative intelligence begins to be active in the prolonged spaces BETWEEN thoughts. Thoughts require space and silence in order to be combined in fresh and creative ways. Otherwise what you have is a stream of rubbish. At least your views are limited, lopsided. Moreover, creative thinking needs to be balanced with action, some degree of social interaction. You can't separate yourself from the rest of humanity; others serve as mirrors for what we are. You can't understand yourself in isolation. I applaud periods of meditative retreat - NOT overthinking . Even so, meditation must be supplemented with social engagement. For what it's worth, however, I'm in agreement with the underground man about the dangers of relying too much on rationality.
Good comment
Good "Self - Image" is the answer for all this over thinking, low self - confidence & isolated misery.
All that path start with the lack of courage to involve in normal life activities. When we have that good inner self - image we don't have to worry too much on failures, it's auto correcting for the results according to our inner self- image. But we have to be careful about the inner image because it's a result of our past success and failures & forms the relevant Self - Image subconsciously by Auto - Suggestions. We can use Over thinking to correct it.
Once you enter into that miserable thought pattern, ["He simply exists in a loop of thought " ( 10.07) , " ...themselves trapped in a loop of contemplations" ( 11.44) ], every thing explained here inevitable.
but the world IS indifferent to personal struggles.
These five main points are from the spiritual realm, and we might call this negative force Satan. This pure evil tries to drive us to despair and give us no hope. Dark forces don't speak to a person inasmuch as they speak as the person. This is called negative thinking: "I hate my life, I wish I was dead!", and so on. But we're born into a fallen world, hence, all the suffering. But God, who created the universe and us has provided a way out. He has promised eternal life through a man he sent to die for our sins on a cross. Everything we've done wrong deserving of hell is forgiven through his blood. Heaven and hell are real, and when we die, we're going to get the best thing imaginable or the worst. We're told that if we accept Jesus Christ as Lord and believe in our hearts that God raised him from the dead, we will be saved. God created the lake of fire for the devil and his angels. They're trying to get as many people sent to hell as possible, because that's where they're going, and they know it. So, let's accept Christ as Savior and obey God's commandments. Let's do the right thing in life, knowing that no matter how we meet our end in this dying world, we'll have God's promise of eternal life through Jesus Christ. Please ask anything about your salvation.
So how do you fix it?
Let me know if you find the answer.
Don't be a nihilist!
@PhiloNauticaa ,
I am not a nihilist, I do think most people are stupid and below me; which has effected my life negatively.
Can't seem to keep a job...
I work hard too.
@PhiloNauticaa plus your last video said I'd be rich by now, wtf lol
@@FrankBertone Haha, Keep Grinding Frank. You're gonna get rich!
Wow that is without a doubt one of the
most profound videos i watched on yt so far.
Really hits the nail on the head and without any AI
gives it the authenticity and closure this topic needs.
A bit one sided of course but that made sure the
message hits in its entirety. Inspiring how simply you pulled
and placed the rules and concepts out of this book in a
cohesive and digestible way. Makes me absolutely want to read this!
Thank You, that's really sweet of you!
Obviously Dostoevsky did not understand and accept that he was the originator of all his feelings and emotions. He didn't understand the concept of "Is this really necessary" nor did he understand that he was chaotically programmed by his society and that his thoughts were the result of that programming.
Maybe the answer is just better drugs😂
xD
Weed😂
@@PhiloNauticaaXD
Yeah...."Walter White's" BLUE meth eh? 🙄😒
HMMMMM!!!! I just had THIS VERY CYNICAL and/or SINISTER thought/response......
"Better drugs" to KILL more.... ABOVEground Men??? (Or turn them into literal zombies bent over in weird contortions so another "ABOVEground Man" can enjoy looking at them in an online video, or maybe even "feel bad" that such creatures haunt economically depressed inner city streets, and/or wonder "what the world is coming to"????👹👿😈🙈🙉🙊
27/11/2024
These characteristics can exist in all of us in bits and pieces.
Therefore, doubt would not be equal to a skeptic approach.
This can develop a mental dilemma. Founded on this, I do not read books any longer; however, I am obsessed with social media philosophical announcements.
In some cases, it helps to observe, and in most cases takes to observe illusion with it.
Too much.
Consciousness is misunderstood, and science has taken logical reasoning away from general people.
To figure out or to find out that humanity is nothing but to be simple.
Metaphysic
The biological fact of our existence is meaningless but that says nothing about our ability to ascribe meaning to the things that make us happy.
We can all be compulsive as our world leaders are and care less about the lives we are screwing up or continue to withdraw from the nonsense brewing about us and eat ourselves to fatness within the comfort of our homes? Approach or avoidance? I rather avoid and have another cup of coffee.
Heck, you really paint Dostoevsky as a pessimistic hack. Glad I read the books before watching this video.
It's a different angle of book, as I've already mentioned in the video. Sadly, you read the book but you didn't watch the whole video.
Incredible video! Really makes i think about happiness on a deeper level.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Top psychology.
It is
OK guessers, I read all the novels and all the short works I could find. e.g. just reread notes from underground, white nights and read 1st time several short stories in an old volume (abt. 1918 I think) translated by Constance Garnett. I disagree with the many attempts to extract the core, an abbreviated summary of Dostoevsky's thoughts and beliefs. He wrote so many incisive thoughts and strange new characters and situations that only a lengthy and exhaustive essay could even approach a summation of his of his works. AND dry thoughts can never duplicate the
unique experience of reading. Dostoevsky! BUT if you would like a little summary of some of his thoughts read "The dream of a ridiculous man".
Laughs at others for unconscious actions but doesn't act
It's time for me to read the Russian greats. Long overdue is the truth.
The trap of the EGO
Dude is this an AI script?
No
@@PhiloNauticaa Oh my bad then
This is a distorted view of his concepts. Dostoevsky explored the free man, young man archetype in CAP. In this he, perhaps unwittingly, shows it is the criminal arrogant idiot that needs salvation to be a human. A mind wipe. In The Idiot he explores the brilliant honest man who encounters corruption and falsehoods which drive him mad again. Point being Dostoevsky is more psychological than spiritual. And right wing theologians try to corrupt his work. He's also an anti-semite. And in TBK he presents the best case against organized religion
As i mentioned in the video, "it’s a work that offers different meanings to each reader, inviting them to uncover new perspectives on life with each read."
I know there's more and different angle to the story too!
@PhiloNauticaa very true! Sorry for that. I should have gotten thru the intro before jumping on you.
@@blurredlenzpictures3251 no problem!
Wholesome
I'm an intellectual
Are you underground man too?
@PhiloNauticaa yes, made to suffer
Underground man 2.0
@@PhiloNauticaa -> be me
-> have narcissistic father
-> father is tyrannical
-> have lots of trauma from childhood and adolescence
-> but pretty good with computers
-> go to college
-> get manipulated by jealous people and study mechanical engineering instead of computer science
-> studied engineering for 4 years
-> go 2 years without a job
-> got employment offer from distant family members
-> company is in the middle east
-> thinks life is gonna change for the better
-> turns out they were expecting me to marry a girl from their side of the family in return
-> she is combative plus they are all a-holes
-> refuse to marry her
-> immediately get demoted to labor category
-> went from technician to admin to ERP (Engineering Resource Planning) support to finally being a labor
-> got a job offer through a recruitment agency
-> need to pay up so I can go to my new job and get away from all this bs
-> saving what little I can to pay up
-> current employer is going through financial problems
-> salary hasn't been credited and there's talks that the whole group is suffering financially
-> panic sets in
-> how do I pay?
That's my story. Currently there seems to be no way out of this. Which puts me back into my deep thinking state
Life's hard man for you man. But it's almost for everyone. keep striving. That's the only way!
It's a bit like the Ecclesiast in the Bible.
Everything is vanity...
So why bother making anything??
Truly blackpilled.
i had the same problem
guys please pray but never ever think on the thoughts that arise in you mind like schools teaches it kills you
just pray and follow the thoughts and excercise overthininkg only if you are doing something morally incorrect
1. questionig every thought
2. thinking if i dont question am an idiot and cannot trust my thoughts
3. not praying and relying god to guide me and learning from mistakes
4. overthinking in the hope that i wil find something and become enlightened
Sounds like a typical narcissist.
@@johnnyparker9928 💯
Am I to assume that YOU are an "Atypical" narcissist? Or NOT a narcissist AT ALL??
I ask because I have intellectual issues with those words...."Narcissist" and "Narcissism". But then again that is because I am an "Underground Man".....Er...Uh..."Narcissist"....Er....Uh....
...."Asshole"? 🙄🤣😶
you will never find fulfillment until your find Jesus Christ. Read your bible.
i would prefer QURAN as Holy Book!
Serious question: HOW should the Holy Bible be read?
I ask, because if a person literally STARTS from the first ENGLISH word of Genesis ("In") of, say, the King James Version; to the LAST word in the New Testament book of Revelation (Which I BELIEVE [no pun intended] to be "Amen"), then there is a good chance that many of such people MIGHT start to question WHAT exactly they are reading, or WHY God has said certain things, and such questions are NOT often answered too adequately in too many churches on Sunday mornings... (Prayer doesn't always work either for such questions, at least not RIGHT AWAY.)
Or....Should one read the Holy Bible at random....Say, by opening it UP at random at WHATEVER book/chapter/verse one's eyes come upon, read a few words for a few minutes, or an hour, and repeat the process at another time??
There are advantages to reading the Holy Bible in the latter manner, but one DISADVANTAGE is encountering some VERY obscure passages that will most definitely either having you "scratching your head" or just trying to keep your head, UP, by NOT falling asleep....Well THAT could happen anyways if you read the Holy Bible straight through.
Shut up. Jesus has no place here. Your brainwashed ass had to bring it up though.
I would prefer my buddhist books.
Even though I have never read the actual book The Underground Man; and I have watched and commented to a similar video on TH-cam put out by someone who referred to (himself?) as "Eternalized"**, AND....I DO see even MORE of myself in THIS video--the "underground man" in me watching THIS video is NOT reacting as "touched" as the one put out by "Eternalized"**.
That is NOT to say I think it's NOT as good, or that I even disagree with YOUR video here. It IS to say that it HAS triggered thoughts in me that could be considered "Yeah......BUTs", and even one or two "Now WAIT a MINUTES!" But since I have discovered typing out long comments utilizing a cell phone key-pad is a pain in the 🫏, and I doubt too many people are into doing too much deeper reading/thinking anyway, I will refrain from making THIS comment any more unnecessarily longer by elaborating further.
I will "agree" though, that being an "underground man" is probably NOT the best thing to be as an INDIVIDUAL, but PERHAPS "underground PEOPLE" ((not just "men")) are needed for SOCIETY???? (Or if not "needed", then a basic INEVITABILITY of damn near ANY society??)
This video of yours HAS triggered a question in me though:
Is it possible "Underground Men/People" are the result of being subjected to excessive, intense, and/or repeated COGNITIVE DISSONANCE? Mentally masturbate over that "pornography" of a question at your own risk OR....Use such a question as a thesis for one's own Philosophy degree or doctorate, or just think about it WITHOUT any further thoughts or feelings of masochism....Feel free to comment even PERHAPS if it's JUST to tell me to "shut the f__k up", chastise me for, ((or ask me about)) why I use ALL CAPS sometimes scattered through my comments....???....Just so that I know that MAYBE more than 3 people (Perhaps NOT ot working for TH-cam itself?) is actually reading my comments??
** I am NOT necessarily trying to steer views away from THIS video to the video put out by "Eternalized"....I know clicks mean attention and attention means money in this new online/digitized economy that I myself do NOT know what to make of at this point in my life, never the less I do feel compelled to apologize to you for directing any potential viewers from THIS video to the one by Eternalized regarding The Underground Man by Dostoyevsky....Assuming any ALGORITHMS haven't done so already😶
@JebidiahStillkrackingagain Wow that was a long comment.Anyways, i had watched that video from externalized as well( Don't remember much of it now). But my video is giving a new touch, a new angle to the underground man. It's a smooth one story of underground man who seems a literal definition of how minds are right now(troubled) because of our conscious (overthinking and all).
@PhiloNauticaa Thank you for your response. I suppose I should apologize for the excessive length of my previous comment, but "devils" ARE in "details", and details cannot always be expressed in pithy little "bumper stickers" or "t-shirts". But thank you again none the less, for your comment/response, (and the video too for that matter.)