Lingenfelter Camaro ZL1 Tops 200 MPH! - Hot Rod Unlimited Episode 7
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ส.ค. 2024
- On this episode of HOT ROD Unlimited, HOT ROD Editor In Chief David
Freiburger drives the Lingenfelter Performance Engineering Camaro ZL1 to 202 mph, making it the first 2012 ZL1 to exceed 200 mph. This very same ZL1 in the exact same configuration (save for wheels and tires and the rollcage) was also the first to run 10s in the quarter mile.
The ZL1 Camaros were first delivered to the public in early April, making
580 hp from their supercharged, 6.2L, LSA engines. Within days of delivery,
Lingenfelter had its ZL1 making 720 hp at 6,500 rpm and 650 lb-ft at 4,650
rpm, both measured at the rear tires. The performance parts are all from
Lingenfelter: CNC-ported cylinder heads, a GT9 camshaft, a ported
supercharger cover, overdrive blower pulleys, a cold-air kit, 63-lb/hr fuel
injectors, a voltage booster for the fuel pump, a 160-degree thermostat, and
tuning. The entire package, installed, is $11,495. Everything else on this
manual-trans car is stock. The performance testing was done with 109-octane
VP fuel and 15 psi boost.
On April 18, 2012, the Lingenfelter ZL1 ran 10.79 at 134.36 mph at Muncie
Dragway in Indiana. That was on drag wheels and tires.
On April 30, 2012, the car was delivered to the Continental Tire Proving
Grounds in Uvalde, Texas. Shod with Continental Extreme Contact tires on the original ZL1 wheels, the Camaro was tested on the 8-1/2-mile oval. The
three-lane surface is like a road rather than a race track, the turns are
not banked, and there are a few elevation changes. During the top-speed run,
Freiburger pulled 0.4 to 0.5 g at 190-plus mph in the sweeping turns, then
held it down for nearly 40 seconds on the pull from 190 to 202.67 mph before
lifting to avoid cresting a small hill at corner entry at 200-plus mph. The
car had not reached terminal velocity. Conditions included a head/crosswind,
ambient temperatures in the 90s, and a density altitude of 3,280 feet. The
Camaro was aerodynamically stock except for some tape over the front
brake-duct openings in an attempt to channel more air through the stock
air-to-water intercooler, as the water was reaching temps in the 250s during
prolonged periods of WOT, leading to hot inlet air and reduced power.
Naturally, the comments here will lead to the upcoming ¹13 Ford Mustang
GT500, with claims of 200 mph capability in bone stock trim. A stock Camaro
ZL1 will run 185 mph. Will the GT500 be faster than the Lingenfelter ZL1?
Until someone shows up at the same track on the same day with both cars and a single driver, no one will know. Meanwhile, we present the first ZL1 to
eclipse the double century mark. See more at Lingenfelter.com and
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In spite of all the haters out there,the Mustang and Camaro run with many exotics for a fraction of the price.
I'm all about the Chevy v Ford but 200 mph in anything is badass. I'm a Chevy guy by the way. Cars are awesome. Period.
Congrats on the 202+ mph run guys!!!!! That's absolutely amazing!
The test for the mustang your talking about was done at 6000ft. That altitude is a massive drop in horsepower. The fact that is missed 200mph at 6000ft by 8mph is impressive.
the Camaro Zl1s LSA engine is horribly underpowered because the corvette has to be the fastest.
A LS9 cam/pulley swap will bring it up to 650hp for under $3,000 installed.
Why is the Camaro so much better than the Mustang and the Challenger?
it's GM
+Coke a Koala mustang owner and love all 3. probably zl1 for my next car though or that badass Z28!!!
200 mph in the Camaro ZL1!
YOU'RE THE MAN!
Man that clip on the straight when Freiburger just blazes past at 190 plus is just freaking Visceral!!!!!! almost looks fake like a freaking jet or something!!! lol awesome!
So you had to go to a 3rd party modifier in order to hit 200mph, when Ford does it stock, off the factory floor? Seems fair....
Yes STOCK after Shelby does $30,000 worth of mods to it and sends it back to Ford. Run that little pont against a Chevy ZR1 and see what happens.The ZR1 is all Chevy and not sent out.
scott4xtc The GT500 is built entirely by Ford at the Auto Alliance plant in Flat Rock Michigan. Shelby doesnt build the car. Shelby America (Vegas) only builds the SuperSnake and GT350. The GT500 rolls right off the assembly line ready to go.
And did you just compare a $54k 4 seater pony car to a $100k 2 seater sports car? Hahahaha LOL
Yes folks he just compared and 4 seater 3900lb 55k car to a 115k 2 seater 3250lb car.
GT500 is still faster and an overall better performance Muscle car lol. Camaros will never out perform the GT500. Nice try hitting 200MPH.
GT500s are worse than Camaros lol and jokes on you the Camaro went faster than the GT500 gtfo Ford fanboy hahahaha
Moo2566 Equus wil overrun them. But equus is overpriced, so i think you wont see it on american roads, maybe in Dubai :D
Samer spark For a second I thought you were talking about the Hyundai Equus lol i was about to FLIP
Samer spark Thank God...the Equus is sexy af but I think it's kinda funny they but a LS in a mustang based chassis lol
Kent Tor MOPAR or no car
Freiburger's the man. Wrench-turning, badass car guy from head to toe. But i didn't know he's also the kind of guy to rap out a car past 200 mph!
Dang bro, you always get us with that acronym. Oh, an acronym is when you take the letters in a word and make cool yet very accurate sentences. I wish Henry would've thought about that when he named his company. I'll bet its the only reason we have to fix or repair them daily. I'll bet if he named it something that you couldn't possibly make an acronym out of people would be forced to judge the craftmanship solely on the product which, in turn, would yield a much better car. Man, all in a name.
Although lengthy car debates are an unsightly part of modern car culture it's undeniable that it helps to generate enthusiasm in a particular brand/automobile in much the same way that an advertisement does. Even the auto companies themselves are starting to use it with some possible results. However I do agree with you that many of the fanboys and girls debating on youtube do not own or even drive the cars they praise. But I admire the affection they have for these cars in these hard times.
I think the argument between which is better is moot, the fact is they are both amazing vehicles.
with a few British Soldiers less than a month ago. If someone has a problem it isn't us. We're just here to help, thanks or no thanks. And, please understand, our forces die out here every day along side yours, and with the same honor.
The fact that the car held the road at 199 mph in a 25 mph crosswind is more impressive, in my opinion, than going 200.
Lawrence, the gt500 is none stock hitting roughly 204mph from the factory. The zl1 which is already over $10,000 more expensive can be made to hit 202mph if you get the $11,245 package that is made. So that's more than a few upgrades.
those flyby shots are insane
The GT500 cost $65K for track pack, which stock on ZL1
GT500 ran the course backward for a slight downhill in the straight, with the wind. The actually race track on the proving ground is at 500ft, not a high alt. Then at 4am for cooler air & more hp ran 196mph
This video was in the heat of the day
ZL1 = 7psi boost
GT500 = 15psi boost
just a pulley change would give ZL1 over 700hp
This has been an ongoing sage for decades and decades. It's gotten more "viral" now, that's all.
guy. This new GT500 is all about the motor and power adder. It's cool that it can get to 60 in first gear, I suppose to each their own
Truer words never been spoken!
Just remember the size of a block cannot be changed so the displacement is always the same. The supercharger displaces more air, but it doesn't add to the displacement of the engine. It adds psi to the combustion.
I look forward to seeing him run both cars! ZL1 ftw
WOW, i absolutely LOVE the sound of the supercharger on this camaro...i got a chub just hearing it, lol
BAD ASS Camaro! A car with a top speed of 150mph is enough for me. I love the ZL1 because of the looks, build quality, the sounds.. and yes the speed too lol. The factory ZL1 has been DE-tuned, It could have well over 600HP but i appreciate GM keeping it second behind the ZR1.
i hope so, Camaros are one of America's iconic cars... it pissed me off when I found out they weren't made here :'(
You know you have a badass job when you get to JUST "roll around at 100mph".
There is nothing more hilarious then a bunch of people bench racing cars that they will never own. The truth here is that BOTH the Ford and the Chevy are completely bad-ass cars. They are a fraction of the cost of some of the most expensive exotic supercars and can perform just as good! For that, we should be proud!!
A friend of mine has a CLS 55 AMG and he hits 140-150 all the time, only because the car is so planted that it doesn't feel like you're going that fast. Fast is a very relative term. Going 120 in a Honda Civic can be scary. Going 120 in a Veyron is a Sunday afternoon cruise. 202 is another league, but it's still dependent on the vehicle.
But in totally different ways. that's what we want. that's what makes a comparison worthwhile.
this is opne bad ass car. I love both Mustangs and Camaros. Awesome cars!
I'm American and I approve this message.
The GT500 is built by Ford. It rolls off of the line at the Flat Rock plant in Michigan. Theres even a few videos here on youtube that show this. A quick google search will even confirm this. Unfortunately, some folks cant grasp that idea.
Shelby has even said that they are not able to produce the high number of cars in one year, so the contract went to Ford. Shelby only produces the limited number of GT350's and SuperSnakes.
The sound of the supercharger... just... OHHHHHHH my lawdddddd
Perhaps. I've never driven one. I'm going by what all the media outlets, Ford SVT engineers, and Ford marketing folks are saying. In fact, I was so convinced I ordered my 2013 GT500 in Deep Impact Blue with white stripes last week. Estimated delivery date is 4 to 6 months. BTW, I currently drive a base 2011 Corvette with LS3, 6-speed manual gear box and Magnapack 3-inch SS exhaust with crossover, no mufflers, just resonators...yeah, it's VERY loud and VERY fast!
You can like what ever you want my friend. Just don't be hating on manufacturers that produce cars that are just as capable.
I love how you say this as if thats the reason you would pick the Camaro over the Mustang. Because your so badass that 190 mph is not enough.
No shit. Both are badass. I remember when I was a teenager back in the 80s, the IROCs and GT were making around 200 hp. These are now the good old days! Me, I like the looks of the Mustang better...but shit I wouldn't turn down either car. Both are more than fast enough to go to jail lol.
Pump has is for cars that have a 9:1-11:1 compression ratio. 109 octane allows 15:1 compression ratio and 20lbs boost. If you can run 109 octane in a car, it is already 5-10% more horsepower than just pump gas, but if you use it with all the boost and compression ratios, it will be the only choice.
Their are actually about 4 engine choices for the Mustang. Ford made a new 3.7l V6 however I'm not completely sure if they done away with the 4.0 let. The Boss is a very high end mustang and I applaud Ford on the amount of suspension tuning that went into that car.
My loyalty has nothing to do with this. Yes, I am a Ford fan, but that does not diminish the fact one bit that this Lingenfelter Camaro, an American designed car modified by Lingenfelter, an American company, has set track records on the track and also on the drag strip.
200MPH is what Corvettes already do. This Camaro proves that the Camaro, which is probably about $54K USD, is doing the same things as a Corvette ZR1, which is keeping up with cars many times their price.
awesome video , enjoyed it. hope to see the gt500 head to head with the Lingenfelter on there soon. peace :)
Now THAT......would be epic.
Yes, and The GT is high end because V6 is the Base. Their is no intermediary unless you consider the 4.0 as the midway.
I, a loyal Chevy guy completely understand your point in stopping the Camaro fan boy madness. The mustang may be be classified as "bone stock" which is true. but the engine is also bored and tuned and its best bit being the tampered with gear ratios allowing the high speed. the camaro does not have these ratios and much less the power. so i'd say Lingenfelter (the closest thing to Chevy's Shelby tuner) did a pretty good job none the less with there once bone stock Zl1. Both these cars are tuned!
Yeah sure the GT500 does it "stock" but technically it's a Shelby. So I think the ZL1+ Lingenfelter and the GT500 are equal in terms of that
I agree, most people will never go that fast, just bragging rights.
Needs the full roll cage to run at the track. Anything running the 1/4 mile at the times this thing does, requires one.
Ford took the GT500 to the Ring during a different season for testing purposes. GM took the ZL1 to the Ring during a cooler time of year and rented the entire course and ran 35+ laps in order to get their hero lap time.
Who knows if Ford will ever release a time. Perhaps their statement, "For testing purposes" is true. Maybe they were not trying to get a fast time, but rather test the car.
Did you even take the time to read the description of this video? This ZL1 is running $12k in mods, which includes 15psi and 109 octane for 720hp at the rear wheels. And the GT500 was tested at Chrysler's Proving Grounds in Arizona, which has an elevation of roughly 2,000ft... not 50ft as you claim.
Yes, thats true. They do still make Camaros in Canada, but I think GM decided to move Chevy production back into the US.
I'm not sure if they will continue to make Camaros in Canada, but it's possible that they will make them both in the US and also in Canada simultaneously.
The Shelby and ZL1 both use nearly identical Eaton TVS 'factory blowers'. Neither is an aftermarket mod, both are factory installed and sourced from the same OEM.
They also use nearly identical Tremec gearboxes and Brembo brakes. I guess the aftermarket is in everything these days.
And just so all of you know... The gt500 was using premium pump gas. 109 octane in not pump gas. It is racing fuel.
Yeah gotta love a regular C6 Vette too, 400hp and 200mph all day.
In all fairness, the roll cage and lack of back seat were probably set up for the drag strip rather than a speed run. Also, a cross-wind increases drag a little bit too, which makes me wonder why they didn't wait for a calm day.
Never mind. You are obviously missing the whole point. Re-read the conversation. I never once said it needed the roll cage for daily driving, I said it needed it to run at the track, and that is it, nothing else. I have no idea why you thought I meant anything else.
Yes, gearing will help. Afterall, this specific car was initially built to show some great performance at the drag strip, but when taking it to this track for a top speed achievement, red line for 5th gear became factor and the overdrive ratio of 6th limited how fast it could accelerate on such a little amount of space.
Given a longer straight, this ZL1 would hit 200 and probably get to 210MPH
Chevy is BOSS it's just the way life is.
Amen. I own a Mustang and have plenty of Camaro friends. American Muscle > stupid debates. Appreciate a car for what it is. Don't hate.
Uvalde, TX is sittin' at around 1000ft and in recent years has been equally as hot. Although there is about 1000ft elevation difference the track in Arizona has high speed banked turns. I agree if you took this car to Arizona it wouldn't perform as well, I think it would perform equally as well. Although none of it would matter because the Shelby is a production car. The Camaro is an LPE modified car.
riding in one of these is insane. I cant imagine driving one...
Mustangs and Camaros are both badass. I will take one of each please! I don't get the whole Ford vs. Chevy BS. A nice car is a nice car.
@Gradeau Please elaborate. Ive been workin as a tech for the Chevy dealer for the last 6 years. My fellow techs and I deal with BS warranty claims daily. Unless youve done serious tweaking, like replacing major components with aftermarket equipment its covered. Just replaced a LS3 cam and lifters under warranty because the prick "changed" his own oil, beat on it, drove it in with a "noise" complaint, I pulled the plug. No oil. GM still covered it. Bottom end was fine.
Actually MotorTrend said the GT500 was more fun to drive, the ZL1 was a better daily driver and with better brakes. They also go to say that the GT500 with upgraded brakes would be unbeatable.
4:35 is hilarious but also a "damn!" moment
The thing is, this ZL1 is heavily modified. The Gt500 STOCK, can apparently hit 200 mph, theres a big difference
Technically, both the GT500, and the ZL1 in stock form are not stock. They're both supercharged versions of the normal SS and GT. So, both cars were technically modded to hit 200mph.
Arguing is still stupid since the GT500 and ZL1 are nice cars.
a high res graphics wrap service might help to
differentiate them i agree.
paste CAMARO on the sides and trunk so the
fools wouldn't get mixed up
Chrysler has something in the works. I'm a master certified parts specialist and it's coming.
WAIT A MINUTE. At 4:48, it looks like it's going a downward slope and the track is way longer. The Ford can do over 200 on a straightaway!
I went for years thinking GM sucks. My son in law, who has a performance shop, (compauto.net) specializes in Mustang performance introduced me to the GM LS2 motor. His own words, "for the money, you will not find more power then the LS2." I am very happy with the GTO I bought. What was Fords answer to the GTO? They were dumbfounded and didn't have an idea of how to compete against it.
It's only ahead because every mullet owning Camaro fanboy went out and bought a Camaro because it was gone for 8 years(!!!), while the mustang owners were content to keep the 2&3 year old cars they already had...
GT500 has been built in Ford's Flat Rock plant since 2006, right along side the other mustangs on the same line. Shelby only produces the limited number of GT350's and SuperSnakes. Ford has the contract to develop, build, and sell the GT500's because Shelby cannot make that many a year. The GT500 has been a part of Fords (SVT) stable since 06.
Camaro for the win
SPECTER INTAKES FTW
I am so proud
Baby got back!
One last thing perhaps? They are comparing the 2013 GT500 with the 2012 ZL1 here, I'd say we wait for the 2013 version of the Camaro (if there's one) to really argue about this ;)
Crazy that the inter cooler was getting hot at high speeds. Did he ever mention how many pounds of boost the over driven supercharger was pushing?
202.67 MPH IN A CAMARO...... WOW!
I am simply amazed at the ignorance in these comments. This ZL1 is not stock. This is a highly modified Lingenfelter ZL1 running 109 octane, making 720hp with $12k worth of engine upgrades.
The GT500 is stock. It rolls off of the Ford Flat Rock plant in Michigan. It is not tuned by Shelby. Shelby only makes the SuperSnake and the GT350.
SVT is responsible for the GT500. The same SVT that gave us the Cobra, Lighting, and Raptor.
Ok cool. I'll check those out.
Ford and Shelby have a contract. Shelby cannot produce more than 500 cars a year, so Ford (SVT) has taken over production of the car, as well as engineering and specs. Shelby's name is on it because he's a partner. The car became part of Ford's stable back in 2006.
Sweet video
700+ WHP, modified supercharged V-8 and it's this hard for them to break 200?? So, I guess the Camaro has the aerodynamics of a brick?
Ummmm, the SVT team are Ford employees, not an outsourced entity and the GT500 comes with a full Ford warranty, not from some outside warranty company. So, yes, it is a stock Ford Mustang, the Shelby GT500 model. You can build a GT500 in the configuration of your choice on Ford's website. Built at Flatrock next to V-6 Mustangs
Both the HPE and this LPE in this vid are powerful.
Both Lingenfelter and Hennessy have been making some serious powerhouse beasts from Camaros and Corvettes for decades.
Which one is actually more powerful? I'm not sure. Both an LPE and an HPE ZL1 would have to be put on a track side by side.
I have no doubts that the Hennessy ZL1 would break 200MPH just like this one did.
The Ford was on a 5.5 mile track and the Chevy is on a 8.5 mile track.. big difference. Don't forget a stock ZL-1 only has a top speed of 185...
Continued- I need to correct myself, the Camaro ZL1 is around $54000, but even after you add Lingenfelter's LPE package, it's still cheaper than a Corvette ZR1, which is a fraction of the price of many supercars the ZR1 keeps up with.
i have 1 thing to say: Single piston rear brake calipers..... a liter bike has dual piston calipers..... they took a mustang and shoved 662hp down its throat, and it cant handle it..... also, im pretty sure they said the car was running under conditions similair to stock as far as weight goes, it may have had no back seat, but the cage and filming and telemetry equiptment must have even'd it out a little, least the camaro isnt a death trap
What are you smoking?1?!? The GT500 is done in-house by Ford and SVT! The ones that Caroll Shelby himself and his staff modded was a GT500, re-built into a SuperSnake.
The Corvette and Viper ACR are both among the fastest times on the Nurburgring and do not really sacrifice in any of the aspects that make them true American muscle cars. The Camaro itself is also very competitive considering the price.
What you're saying is the highly modified, $65,000 L.ZL1 that took multiple attempts to break the 200 barrier, is better than a car that is unmodified, $10,000 less with a full warranty, and CAN in fact reach 200mph?
Yes sounds like an unbiased review to me..
Looks like its time to put Nos on my liter bike. Damn Cars are catchin up
Yes, the price is reasonable. I'm sorry you missed my point if I wasn't clear. Here's my point:
A Camaro that beats the Shelby's factory stock topspeed by 2 mph, at the cost of an extra $11K, doesn't make for an impressive comparison. Just my opinion.
Shelby gt500 isn't the Shelby factory. It's made in ford by the SVT team and is not a modded car. It is sold stock like that with a warranty. And as for the modded zl1. If you take a car and add that much to it and try to drive it as a daily driver, the compression in the engine will make it break down along with the gearing. It is a drag and track car.
The 2013 GT500's front tire width is optimal for steering precision for that particular setup. Any wider, and the GT500's apex accuracy and steering response starts to decline, and any wider out back, and you get more and more understeer. The GT500's tires are basically street slicks btw. Very sticky. You don't think SVT went through extensive tire testing for this vehicle? It's a re-engineered car. The Camaro has more rubber, but the grip tries to drag the nose away from the apex, wasting time.
In the end, it was like throwing a glove into the face of Mustang guys :)
People need to quit comparing limes and lemons, they both give you similar taste and feel but you use one over the other in specific things. I'd much rather have a ZL-1 as a daily driver and track car than a GT500 and a GT500 maybe for a big longer track or for Autobahn kind of driving or even drag. It's all about specifics and what each one was DESIGNED to do, the ZL-1 is designed to HAVE drag for grip liked down-force and handling along with it's unique and sophisticated suspension.